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FTR #847 Interview (#10) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

In this broad­cast, we con­tinue to “Fol­low the Money” and ana­lyze its pri­mary role in the per­pet­u­a­tion of Nazism and its atten­dant method­olo­gies and resul­tant ills. Peter notes that the post­war Nazi Under­ground con­sti­tuted a “government-in-exile” and “an army in exile.” “Fol­low­ing the money” moved by what Mr. Emory calls The Under­ground Reich inevitably leads to Fran­cois Genoud, Hjal­mar Schacht and the exten­sive post­war Nazi con­nec­tions to Mid­dle East­ern anti-colonial, anti-Israel and ter­ror­ist milieux. The Third Reich and its post­war under­ground man­i­fes­ta­tion directly impacted, inter­sected with, and formed the oper­a­tional tem­plate for many of the world’s ter­ror­ist orga­ni­za­tions. Recap­ping pre­vi­ous dis­cus­sion of the Third Reich as a “cult” or spir­i­tual move­ment, Peter notes that this “Under­ground Reich” not only is a par­al­lel entity to con­tem­po­rary Islamist ter­ror groups, but has actively dove­tailed with them. Pro­gram high­lights include: ter­ror­ists’ abuse of the ancient hawala sys­tem of money trans­fer; dis­cus­sion of the Bank Al-Taqwa; the use of Islamists against China; analy­sis of the “Tri-Border” area in Latin Amer­ica; Germany’s return to power in Europe.


FTR #846 Interview (#9) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

This ninth inter­view fills in the details con­cern­ing a mys­te­ri­ous cast of char­ac­ters in Indone­sia who were inves­ti­gat­ing the late pres­i­dent Sukarno’s Rev­o­lu­tion­ary Fund, which derived from large amounts of World War II wealth stolen by Japan and Ger­many. Dr. Sosro Husodo, who alleged in a book that a mys­te­ri­ous Nazi named Dr. Anton Poch was actu­ally Hitler. That alle­ga­tion has never been proved, how­ever the sto­ries of Poch, Husodo, Dr. Edi­son Damanik and an Indone­sian arms dealer named Soeryo Goer­itno are indica­tive of a mas­sive, ongo­ing cover-up of the polit­i­cal and eco­nomic dynam­ics under­ly­ing their sit­u­a­tions. Expand­ing the scope of the inquiry to the cap­i­tal flows ass­so­ci­ated with the Third Reich, its post­war under­ground phase and insti­tu­tions asso­ci­ated with and/or evolv­ing from Nazism, the pro­grams sets forth a num­ber of con­sid­er­a­tions: the financ­ing of the postwr Ger­man eco­nomic mir­a­cle by Ger­man cor­po­ra­tions; the frus­tra­tion of the de-Nazification of cor­po­rate Ger­many by the Third Reich’s promi­nent Amer­i­can eco­nomic back­ers; the enor­mous scale of the Nazi eco­nomic dias­pora; the role of Klaus Bar­bie and his “Fiancees of Death” in ODESSA-related oper­a­tions; Colo­nia Dgnidad and its role in laun­der­ing ODESSA money.


FTR #845 Interview (#8) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

Pick­ing up where FTR #844 left off, this pro­gram exam­ines devel­op­ments in Indone­sia after the 1965 CIA coup that deposed Sukarno. An appar­ent par­tic­i­pant in an unsuc­cess­ful 1958 attempt against Sukarno was Lee Har­vey Oswald. Before tack­ling the bulk of the Indone­sia mate­r­ial, Peter notes that the sup­posed “Com­mu­nist” Oswald actu­ally had con­nec­tions to Nazi ele­ments. After an encap­su­la­tion of the Japan­ese Golden Lily pro­gram that looted much of Asia, the pro­gram sets forth some of the mys­ter­ies that unfold in con­nec­tion with the dis­po­si­tion of Sukarno’s “Rev­o­lu­tion­ary Fund.” Appar­ently com­prised of both Golden Lily trea­sure and war loot trans­ported to the Asia by the Third Reich, the Rev­o­lu­tion­ary Fund has defied efforts by Sukarno fam­ily mem­bers and asso­ciates to obtain some of the wealth. Among the cast of char­ac­ters wind­ing through the mys­te­ri­ous cor­ri­dors of the Rev­o­lu­tion­ary Fund inves­tiga­tive maze are: a mys­te­ri­ous Dr. Poch, alleged in an Indone­sian best seller by Dr. Susro Husodo to have been Adolf Hitler; the pro­fes­sional frus­tra­tion and mys­te­ri­ous demise of Dr. Edi­son Damanik, who attempted to obtain some of the Rev­o­lu­tion­ary Fund loot; arms dealer Soeryo Goer­itno, who suf­fered a dis­abling stroke or seizure when he attempted to nav­i­gate the per­ilous waters of the Rev­o­lu­tion­ary Fund and its tributaries.


FTR #844 Interview (#7) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

Peter Levenda’s “The Hitler Legacy” is, in Mr. Emory’s opin­ion, one of the most impor­tant polit­i­cal books ever writ­ten. This sev­enth inter­view with Peter about the book sets forth the pow­er­ful Nazi pres­ence in Indone­sia prior to, dur­ing, and after World War II. In addi­tion to the sig­nif­i­cant pres­ence of the Dutch Nazi party in Indone­sia, the NSDAP also had a sig­nif­i­cant pres­ence in this for­mer colony of the Nether­lands. The most pop­u­lous Mus­lim coun­try in the world, Indone­sia was seen as the key ele­ment in an Islamist bul­wark against Com­mu­nist China. This strat­a­gem was envi­sioned by Charles Willoughby, Gen­eral Dou­glas MacArthur’s intel­li­gence chief and a doc­tri­naire fas­cist. Although sup­port­ive of Axis con­quest of the Nether­lands and Indone­sia, which he saw as free­ing the arch­i­pel­ago from colo­nial dom­i­na­tion, Sukarno espoused a “Third Way” at the con­fer­ence of Non-Aligned nations in Ban­dung in 1955. This led the US to see him as a Com­mu­nist and begin attempts to depose him. In order to pro­vide financ­ing for Indone­sia and other Third World coun­tries, Sukarno appears to have turned to Hjal­mar Schacht, Hitler’s finance min­is­ter, who uti­lized Nazi gold ship­ments to Asia to “prime the eco­nomic pump” for this abortive project.


FTR #843 Interview (#6) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

This sixth in a pro­jected series of nine inter­views with Peter Lev­enda, con­tin­ues analy­sis of what Mr. Emory views as one of the most impor­tant books ever writ­ten. Resum­ing a point of dis­cus­sion from FTR #842, we fur­ther develop the nature of Tibetan Bud­dhism, cer­tain sim­i­lar­i­ties with Nazi phi­los­o­phy and occult beliefs, and how this played into the devel­op­ment of the Dalai Lama’s oper­a­tional links to some truly “inter­est­ing” ele­ments. Advanc­ing analy­sis of the “weaponiza­tion of reli­gion” and ele­ments of Bud­dhism, in par­tic­u­lar, Peter high­lights the little-known but pro­found fas­cist influ­ence on, and sup­port from, the Zen Bud­dhist com­mu­nity. Pur­suant to the dis­cus­sion of “weaponized reli­gion,” Peter sets forth his the­sis that Nazism was a form of cult or spir­i­tual belief. As we have seen, Nazi phi­los­o­phy res­onated effec­tively with some aspects of “global jihadism,” Tibetan Bud­dhism and wartime prac­ti­cioners of Zen Bud­dhism. Lis­ten­ers should remem­ber that ele­ments of U.S. intel­li­gence co-opted “weaponized reli­gion” dur­ing the Cold war, includ­ing global jihadism and Tibetan Bud­dhism. Pro­gram high­lights include: the “jihadist” nature of Tibetan Bud­dhism; the role of Zen lumi­nar­ies D.T. Suzuki and Karl­fried Graf Dur­ck­heim in devel­op­ing the Zen-Bushido link; the roles of both men in pop­u­lar­iz­ing Zen Bud­dhism in the post-World War II period.


FTR #842 Interview (#5) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

This next install­ment of our dis­cus­sions with Peter Lev­enda about “The Hitler Legacy” begins with dis­cus­sion of indi­vid­u­als and orga­ni­za­tions that com­prised the post­war Nazi under­ground. Focused largely on the SS, these orga­ni­za­tions were vehi­cles for the per­pet­u­a­tion of the Nazi strug­gle against the Allies (includ­ing the U.S. and Britain) at the same time as they inter­faced with pow­er­ful ele­ments of West­ern intel­li­gence, who used them as Cold War­riors. Part of the Cold War strat­egy pur­sued by the U.S. was to resuci­tate (for a third time) the “global jihadist” strat­egy devised by Max von Oppen­heim dur­ing the First World War. Seek­ing the “believ­ing” Mus­lims as proxy war­riors against the athe­is­tic com­mu­nists, pow­er­ful ele­ments of CIA and the State Depart­ment enlisted the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood in this strug­gle. “Weaponized reli­gion” was also used in Asia, where the Third Reich had already estab­lished a work­ing rela­tion­ship with the Dalai Lama and Tibetan Bud­dhists, with SS offi­cers of pri­mary sig­nif­i­cance in the Nazis’ deal­ings with “His Holi­ness.” Key points of dis­cus­sion include: the career of Otto Ernst Remer; the remark­able career of Fran­cois Genoud; the Dalai Lama’s SS asso­ciate Bruno Beger’s atroc­i­ties war crimes; the Dalai Lama’s SS tutor–Heinrich Harrer–and his work for ele­ments of U.S. and West­ern intel­li­gence after the war.


FTR #841 Interview (#4) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

Resum­ing our analy­sis of “The Hitler Legacy,” our next inter­view with Peter Lev­enda con­tin­ues dis­cus­sion of the reha­bil­i­ta­tion of “jihadis as proxy war­riors” by Ger­many in the run-up to, and dur­ing, the Sec­ond World War. Hav­ing assumed the posi­tion of Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini took advan­tage of resent­ment on the Arab street and mobi­lized it against the British and Jews. Begin­ning with pogroms dur­ing the 1920’s and 1930’s, Husseini’s activism blos­somed into full-fledged par­tic­i­pa­tion in Nazi mil­i­tary com­paigns, includ­ing recruit­ing Waf­fen SS units in Mus­lim ter­ri­to­ries. After dis­cussing some sim­i­lar­i­ties between Nazism and global jihadist ide­ol­ogy, Peter high­lights the Grand Mufti’s post war work with the PLO and other Mus­lim polit­i­cal and mil­i­tary orga­ni­za­tions. Join­ing the Grand Mufti were numeer­ous SS men and Nazi tech­ni­cal experts, there to con­tinue their war against the Jews and to fight against Com­mu­nism on behalf of West­ern intel­li­gence agen­cies. In the Mid­dle East, as in other coun­tries where they were recruited as anti-Communist cadre, the Third Reich alumni pur­sued a Nazi agenda, spawn­ing new Nazi polit­i­cal and mil­i­tary for­ma­tions. Peter notes that they are not “neo”-Nazis, at all. West­ern intel­li­gence helped fos­ter post­war SS-assistance orga­ni­za­tions such as Die Spinne and ODESSA, shep­herded to a con­sid­er­able extent by SS Colonel Otto Skorzeny.


FTR #840 Interview (#3) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

Con­tin­u­ing our dis­cus­sion with Peter Lev­enda about his remark­able book “The Hitler Legacy,” the broad­cast details what the author calls “The exit strat­egy.” Fac­ing mil­i­tary defeat, the Third Reich knew that Nazism would not die with the Allied vic­tory, but could con­tinue the strug­gle from far-flung places. Mov­ing both SS offi­cers and vast amounts of cap­i­tal abroad, the Reich took advan­tage of the ide­o­log­i­cal res­o­nance that existed between the NSDAP and both anti-Communist and anti-Semitic ele­ments abroad, includ­ing and espe­cially, the Nazi under­ground that existed in the United States. Using the Vat­i­can “rat­lines” and their pow­er­ful busi­ness con­nec­tions with West­ern (espe­cially Amer­i­can) cor­po­ra­tions and asso­ci­ated law firms, SS men went over­seas, where the vast amounts of cap­i­tal belong­ing to the Bor­mann flight cap­i­tal net­work sus­tained their activ­i­ties. Pro­gram high­lights include: the role of the Bank for Inter­na­tional Set­tle­ments in the Nazi finan­cial dias­pora; the for­ma­tion and oper­a­tion of the Rein­hard Gehlen spy net­work; analy­sis of “The Red House Doc­u­ment,” includ­ing the pro­vi­sion by Ger­man cor­po­ra­tions to fund the Nazi party under­ground after the war; brief dis­cus­sion of the Grand Mufti and his alliance with the Third Reich.


FTR #839 Interview (#2) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

Resum­ing with, and fur­ther devel­op­ing a key ele­ment of dis­cus­sion high­lighted in our pre­vi­ous inter­view, Peter sets forth “the ori­gins of global jihad.” In the Mid­dle East, the con­cept of global jihad was devel­oped by Ger­man archael­o­gist Max von Oppen­heim dur­ing the First World War. Envi­sion­ing the world’s Mus­lims as proxy war­riors against the Entente Pow­ers of Britain, France and Rus­sia, von Oppen­heim cre­ated the tem­plate for con­tem­po­rary Islamic fas­cism and jihadism. Fol­low­ing the divi­sion of the for­mer Ottoman Empire by Britain and France after World War I, the “Arab Street” began man­i­fest­ing belief in an inter­na­tional global con­spir­acy involv­ing Jews and the Euro­pean colo­nial pow­ers that res­onated with the ide­o­log­i­cal anx­i­eties of Euro­pean and Amer­i­can power elites, Ger­man, in par­tic­u­lar. Von Oppenheim’s strat­egy also employed the con­cept of “total war,” incor­po­rat­ing vio­lence against civil­ians as part of the tem­plate that became a key fea­ture of Islamist ter­ror­ism. The pro­gram also notes that, when the Nazi party came to power in Ger­many, NSDAP ide­o­logues were placed in posi­tions of influ­ence around the world, where they inter­acted with like minded indi­vid­u­als and insti­tu­tions. In the U.S., Ger­man spies worked closely with inter­ests asso­ci­ated with Henry Ford, includ­ing and espe­cially Ukrain­ian fas­cists who worked with the Third Reich. The pro­gram con­cludes with an account of Peter’s har­row­ing visit to the Chilean Nazi out­post Colo­nia Dig­nidad, a tor­ture cen­ter for the Pinochet dic­ta­tor­ship, an epi­cen­ter of Oper­a­tion Con­dor, a recip­i­ent of global Nazi money and the devel­op­ment site for weapons of mass destruction.


FTR #838 Interview (#1) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

The first of sev­eral inter­views with Peter Lev­enda about his impor­tant new book “The Hitler Legacy,” this pro­gram high­lights the evo­lu­tion of ele­ments which fig­ure into the devel­op­ment of the post-war Nazi under­ground. At the end of the First World War, the Bol­she­vik Rev­o­lu­tion in Rus­sia and abortive Marx­ist upris­ings in Ger­many and else­where in Europe infused the power elite in the U.S. with a para­noid ide­o­log­i­cal ter­ror of a global “Jewish-Marxist” con­spir­acy. Com­bined with fear of Catholic and Jew­ish immi­grants and their effect on Amer­i­can soci­ety, this ide­o­log­i­cal para­noia fused with a social Dar­win­ism that found its expres­sion in eugenics–a pseudo-intellectual doc­trine that sought the pro­mo­tion of “desir­able” social and eth­nic types and the sup­pres­sion and/or elim­i­na­tion of “infe­rior” racial types. See­ing Ger­many as the point ele­ment in the strug­gle against world Marx­ism, indi­vid­u­als and polit­i­cal par­ties sought to ally with Ger­man fas­cists to bring fas­cism to the U.S. This fas­cist Fifth Col­umn included polit­i­cal groups rang­ing from the Ku Klux Klan to the Sil­ver Shirts of William Dud­ley Pel­ley, as well as the pro­to­typ­i­cal right-wing talk show host Father Charles Cough­lin, “the Radio Priest.” Coughlin’s efforts were sub­si­dized by Third Reich intel­li­gence. Financed by financiers and indus­tri­al­ists who sup­ported fas­cism, this Fifth Col­umn attempted to kill and/or over­throw FDR on sev­eral occa­sions. In the Mid­dle East, the con­cept of global jihad was devel­oped by Ger­man archael­o­gist Max von Oppen­heim dur­ing the First World War. Envi­sion­ing the world’s Mus­lims as proxy war­riors against the Entente Pow­ers of Britain, France and Rus­sia, von Oppen­heim cre­ated the tem­plate for con­tem­po­rary Islamic fas­cism and jihadism. Fol­low­ing the divi­sion of the for­mer Ottoman Empire by Britain and France after World War I, the “Arab Street” began man­i­fest­ing belief in an inter­na­tional global con­spir­acy involv­ing Jews and the Euro­pean colo­nial pow­ers that res­onated with the Amer­i­can power elite’s ido­l­og­i­cal anxieties.