Recorded on Octo­ber 14, 2002
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1. High­light­ing aspects of his­tor­i­cal and con­tem­po­rary fas­cism that are not gen­er­ally well known, this broad­cast sets forth aspects of “Red/Brown” or Third Posi­tion fas­cism. To do so, we visit with Kevin Coogan, author of the sem­i­nal Dreamer of the Day: Fran­cis Parker Yockey and the Post War Fas­cist Inter­na­tional (Copy­right 1999 [SC]; Autono­me­dia; ISBN 1–57027-039–2.) (For more about Kevin’s work, see, among other pro­grams, FTR #’s 185, 188, 211, 213, 221, 231, 233, 237, 260, 270, 312, 320. Note also that Kevin’s work is fea­tured promi­nently in the FTR series about the 9/11 attacks, par­tic­u­larly FTR#’s 333, 354, 371, 377, 378, 381. For cov­er­age of other aspects of Coogan’s work, see also: RFA #’s 14, 21, Mis­cel­la­neous Archive Shows M-6, M-19, M-21.)

2. Much of the first side of the pro­gram con­sists of dis­cus­sion of Horst Mahler, a Ger­man fascist-turned-leftist who has reverted to fas­cism. (For more about Mahler, see, among other pro­grams, FTR#333.) An asso­ciate of the Red Army Fac­tion (also known as the Baader-Meinhoff group), Mahler worked with a strange amal­gam of fas­cists, ultra-leftists, and Mid­dle East­ern ter­ror­ist groups. High­lights of the Mahler dis­cus­sion include: Mahler’s rela­tion­ship with the PFLP; his con­nec­tions to Fran­cois Genoud; Mahler’s periph­eral con­tacts [through the RAF] to Ger­hard Schroder and Otto Schily [respec­tively Chan­cel­lor and Inte­rior Min­is­ter of the Fed­eral Repub­lic]; his anti-Semitism; his sup­port of the PLO; and above all, his endorse­ment of the 9/11 attacks as nec­es­sary and right. (For more about the PFLP, see, among other broad­casts, FTR#350, in addi­tion to many of the pro­grams cited in the intro­duc­tion to this program.)

3. The pro­gram delin­eates the devel­op­ment of “dialec­ti­cal” the­ory, espoused by Hegel and adopted by numer­ous social sci­en­tists and philoso­phers across the ide­o­log­i­cal spec­trum, includ­ing Karl Marx. Dialec­ti­cal think­ing was a major influ­ence on Mahler and other Third Posi­tion­ists, Yock­eyites and Red/Brown fas­cists. (For more about the Third Posi­tion, see, among other pro­grams, FTR#’s 71, 72, 267.)

4. One of Mahler’s prin­ci­pal polit­i­cal forums is the NPD, arguably the top Ger­man “neo” Nazi party. (For more about the NPD, see, among other pro­grams, FTR#235.) With his affin­ity for Mid­dle East­ern ter­ror­ists, his pro­found anti-Americanism, his links to Fran­cois Genoud and his Nazi ori­en­ta­tion, it should come as no sur­prise that Mahler is asso­ci­ated [through the NPD] with Ahmed Huber. (For more about Huber and the Al Taqwa orga­ni­za­tion, see FTR#’s 335, 336, 338, 341, 343, 351–361, 368, 371, 376, 377, 378. For more about Fran­cois Genoud, see, among other pro­grams, Mis­cel­la­neous Archive Shows M19 and M21, FTR#’s 341, 344, 350, 351, 352, 354, 357, 359, 367, 376, 378.)

5. Review­ing one of the inter­est­ing his­tor­i­cal links between the 9/11 attacks, Genoud and the Third Posi­tion, the broad­cast reviews the Genoud/Verges/Carlos the Jackal link. High­lights of that con­nec­tion include: Genoud and Verges’ con­nec­tions to the Alger­ian FLN; Verges’ rela­tion­ship with Genoud and the trial of for­mer Gestapo chief Klaus Bar­bie; Verges/Genoud’s close rela­tion­ship with Car­los the Jackal; the role of Isabel Coutant-Peyre [a law part­ner of Genoud pro­tégé Verges and the wife-to-be of Car­los Jackal] as the French attor­ney for Zac­cha­rias Mousaoui; the recent appoint­ment of Car­los’ brother to a key post in the Venezue­lan energy min­istry under Hugo Chavez [a bit­ter oppo­nent of the United States and head of a key OPEC country].

6. Con­tin­u­ing with dis­cus­sion of Third Posi­tion­ists and the Euro-fascist/Middle East ter­ror­ist link, the broad­cast focuses on Jean Thiri­art, a Third Reich asso­ciate whose career extended from the 1940’s until the 1990’s. (For more about Thiri­art, see FTR#’s 71, 380.) High­lights of the Thiri­art dis­cus­sion include: Thiriart’s asso­ci­a­tion with the SS; his par­tic­i­pa­tion with “Jeune Europe” [a Nazi pan-European youth orga­ni­za­tion]; Thiriart’s attempts at form­ing an anti-American, Euro-fascist alliance with Mid­dle East­ern ter­ror­ists and fas­cists includ­ing the PLO and a young Sad­dam Hus­sein; his con­nec­tions to ODESSA oper­a­tives includ­ing Otto Sko­rzeny and Otto Ernst Remer; and his influ­ence on other Third Posi­tion­ists, Thiriart’s back­ing for the French irre­den­tist OAS [at the same time as he was sup­port­ive of the Alger­ian FLN]; the ide­o­log­i­cal con­tra­dic­tion between Thiriart’s OAS/FLN sup­port; Nazi sup­port for the OAS and the FLN. (For more about Remer and Sko­rzeny, see FTR#’s 70–72, 380, as well as the above-named inter­views with Kevin Coogan. For more about Sko­rzeny, see FTR#340, as well as RFA#’s 3, 22. Note: The RFA series should not be con­fused with a similarly-named show gen­er­ated by the fas­cist Lib­erty Lobby.)

7. Con­tin­u­ing with the pre­sen­ta­tion of Right-Left, “oscil­lat­ing fas­cism,” the pro­gram fur­ther devel­ops the career of Otto Ernst Remer. High­lights of the Remer dis­cus­sion include: Remer’s mem­ber­ship in the SS and his role in the liq­ui­da­tion of the July 1944 con­spir­a­tors against Hitler; his devel­op­ment of the SRP [a top post­war Ger­man neo-Nazi party]; the SRP’s advo­cacy of a neu­tral role for Ger­many in the Cold War and the SRP’s back­ing by the for­mer Soviet Union.

8. In addi­tion to Thiri­art, the Third Posi­tion in France was pro­mul­gated by Chris­t­ian Boucher. Boucher, in turn, main­tained con­tact with Russ­ian fas­cists in the post-Soviet era.