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FTR #706 Interview with John Loftus: The Obama Administration as the Last Victim of World War II

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[3]Intro­duc­tion: In a return appear­ance by John Lof­tus [4], we once again explore how events dur­ing and imme­di­ate­ly after the Sec­ond World War affect con­tem­po­rary events.

John points out that, at the end of World War II, (Sul­li­van and Cromwell [5] part­ner and OSS offi­cer) Allen Dulles [6] cre­at­ed a mech­a­nism for cov­er­ing up the pro­found involve­ment of many dom­i­nant ele­ments of the U.S. pow­er elite with the Axis, Nazi Ger­many in par­tic­u­lar.

That mech­a­nism was an intel­li­gence net­work com­posed of much of the cream of the Nazi nation­al secu­ri­ty estab­lish­ment, to be put to work for the Unit­ed States–ostensibly at least. When Dewey lost the 1948 elec­tion, that cre­at­ed a prob­lem. From that point for­ward, there have been, in effect, two CIA’s–one for the Democ­rats and one for the Repub­li­cans.

The Repub­li­can CIA incor­po­rat­ed the Nazi and fas­cist ele­ments with whom Dulles (and mem­bers of the Bush fam­i­ly) col­lab­o­rat­ed dur­ing the Sec­ond World War. This ele­ment of the CIA does the bid­ding of the transna­tion­al cor­po­ra­tions, often fol­low­ing an agen­da that is not in the best inter­ests of the Unit­ed States.

This “Repub­li­can CIA” and asso­ci­at­ed ele­ments of the State Depart­ment mis­lead the Oba­ma admin­is­tra­tion into sev­er­al mis­cal­cu­la­tions with regard to Mid­dle East pol­i­cy.

Yet anoth­er issue dat­ing from World War II to the present con­cerns a 60-year delay in release of the largest data­base con­cern­ing Third Reich activ­i­ties and the Holo­caust. Locat­ed in Ger­many, the release of the data­base’s infor­ma­tion was delayed because many of the iden­ti­ties of Holo­caust vic­tims had been assumed by Nazi war crim­i­nals, flee­ing the con­quest of Ger­many prop­er.

Uti­liz­ing expert forg­ing skills of Jew­ish engravers interned at the Ault-Aussee con­cen­tra­tion camp, the Nazis pro­vid­ed excel­lent cov­er for some of their fugitives–Jews who had “sur­vived” the Holo­caust! The iden­ti­ties of some of these “sur­vivors” were unmasked–including some who had found refuge in Israel! It is inter­est­ing to con­tem­plate the pos­si­bil­i­ty that some “Jews” involved with Israel are actu­al­ly fugi­tive Nazis.

Turn­ing to the sub­ject of the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood, John high­light­ed the impor­tant new book Mus­lim Mafia [7], doc­u­ment­ing Mus­lim Broth­er­hood infil­tra­tion of Amer­i­ca. In par­tic­u­lar, the book focus­es on CAIR (The Coun­cil on Amer­i­can-Islam­ic Rela­tions), a Mus­lim Broth­er­hood front orga­ni­za­tion in Amer­i­ca. Con­cep­tu­al­ized as sort of a NAACP for Mus­lims, CAIR is actu­al­ly ded­i­cat­ed to the sub­ju­ga­tion of Amer­i­can con­sti­tu­tion­al and demo­c­ra­t­ic val­ues to Sharia–Islamic law. It would not be inac­cu­rate to describe it as a front orga­ni­za­tion for ter­ror­ists. CAIR was an unin­dict­ed co-con­spir­a­tor in the recent­ly-con­clud­ed Holy Land Foun­da­tion tri­al.

High­light­ing infor­ma­tion from his forth­com­ing Amer­i­can Nazi Secrets (to be pub­lished by Trine­Day), John reviews the devel­op­ment of the rela­tion­ship between the NSA and the GCHQ. In order to cir­cum­vent legal restric­tions on wire­tap­ping and elec­tron­ic sur­veil­lance, NSA (Amer­i­can) and GCHQ (British) wire­tap each other’s cit­i­zens and turn the infor­ma­tion over to appro­pri­ate oper­a­tives of the respec­tive agen­cies. Sweep­ing the microwaves used to con­vey long dis­tance calls, the agen­cies mon­i­tor and record all long dis­tance calls. Pro­grammed to respond to indi­vid­ual voic­es and key words, the sys­tem gen­er­ates tons of tran­scribed inter­cepts each day.

A par­tic­u­lar­ly dis­turb­ing aspect of this “vac­u­um clean­er” approach involves the posi­tion­ing of the Cana­di­an embassy in Wash­ing­ton. Jux­ta­posed to the hous­es of Con­gress, the embassy is locat­ed in such a way as to per­mit elec­tron­ic sur­veil­lance of Con­gress.

Turn­ing to the sub­ject of the Mid­dle East, John not­ed the prop­a­ga­tion of fab­ri­cat­ed sto­ries of Israeli atroc­i­ties [8] against Pales­tini­ans and Arabs. In addi­tion to the fab­ri­cat­ed reports of the Jenin com­bat in 2002, John ana­lyzed the high pro­file Mohammed al-Dura inci­dent, which was a staged event.

Equal­ly mis­lead­ing was the Gold­stone Report, alleg­ing Israeli war crimes and dis­miss­ing entire­ly Hamas respon­si­bil­i­ty for the war.

Pro­gram High­lights Include: Review of the sub­ver­sion of the Bush fam­i­ly’s involve­ment with Nazi indus­try; dis­cus­sion of the trans­fer of Iraqi WMD know how and pro­duc­tion tech­nol­o­gy to Syr­ia; analy­sis of the high-tech sur­veil­lance and eaves­drop­ping method­ol­o­gy of con­tem­po­rary intel­li­gence agen­cies; John’s belief that the Bush admin­is­tra­tion’s use of tor­ture to obtain infor­ma­tion from ter­ror sus­pects will lead to their acquit­tal by the courts; John’s belief that eco­nom­ic sanc­tions, not mil­i­tary ini­tia­tives, should be used to con­tain Iran’s nuclear capa­bil­i­ty; the Vat­i­can Bank’s role in laun­der­ing “black mon­ey”; the man­ner in which Enron’s nego­ti­a­tion with the Tal­iban [9] over a pipeline through Afghanistan–with the coop­er­a­tion of Dick Cheney–helped facil­i­tate the 9/11 attacks.

1. Begin­ning with the tit­u­lar con­cept of the broad­cast, we explore the thought-pro­vok­ing con­cept that the Oba­ma admin­is­tra­tion is, indeed, the last vic­tim of the Sec­ond World War. John points out that, at the end of World War II, [Sul­li­van and Cromwell part­ner and OSS offi­cer] Allen Dulles cre­at­ed a mech­a­nism for cov­er­ing up the pro­found involve­ment of many dom­i­nant ele­ments of the U.S. pow­er elite with the Axis, Nazi Ger­many in par­tic­u­lar.

That mech­a­nism was an intel­li­gence net­work com­posed of much of the cream of the Nazi nation­al secu­ri­ty estab­lish­ment, to be put to work for the Unit­ed States–ostensibly at least. When Dewey lost the 1948 elec­tion, that cre­at­ed a prob­lem. From that point for­ward, there have been, in effect, two CIA’s–one for the Democ­rats and one for the Repub­li­cans.

The Repub­li­can CIA incor­po­rat­ed the Nazi and fas­cist ele­ments with whom Dulles (and mem­bers of the Bush fam­i­ly) col­lab­o­rat­ed dur­ing the Sec­ond World War. This ele­ment of the CIA does the bid­ding of the transna­tion­al cor­po­ra­tions, often fol­low­ing an agen­da that is not in the best inter­ests of the Unit­ed States.

John set forth a man­i­fes­ta­tion of this–the delib­er­ate­ly mis­lead­ing infor­ma­tion giv­en to Oba­ma’s diplo­mats by GOP-con­nect­ed State Depart­ment offi­cials. Mis­lead­ing Hilary Clin­ton about events in the Mid­dle East, this con­tin­gent con­tends that the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood would be a won­der­ful ele­ment with which the U.S. should asso­ciate itself.

2. On the sub­ject of Oba­ma, per­son­al­ly, John opined that he was an hon­est man, who isn’t a fool and that quality–in Washington–makes him a threat.

3. Turn­ing to the gen­e­sis of his work for a Jus­tice Depart­ment project called the Office of Spe­cial Inves­ti­ga­tions (not to be con­fused with Air Force intel­li­gence.) His boss at OSI was the late Wal­ter Rock­ler, who was in charge of the Nurem­berg pros­e­cu­tions. Know­ing that the tri­als had been delib­er­ate­ly sab­o­taged, OSI and John Lof­tus were look­ing to see the “who, how and why” behind that sab­o­tage.

Illus­trat­ing the depth of the cul­pa­bil­i­ty of U.S. movers and shak­ers in Nazi crimes, John notes that there were Amer­i­can offi­cials sit­ting on the boards of Nazi bank in Ger­many dur­ing the war! Despite the con­struc­tion of a spe­cial prison to house the defen­dants, the “Bankers’ Tri­al” was inter­dict­ed. Allen Dulles’ machi­na­tions were the instru­ment of sub­ver­sion.

All through the war, Roo­sevelt had reluc­tantly caved in to British demands that the Jew­ish issue be ignored, that the con­cen­tra­tion camp vic­tims must be expend­able to the war effort. But the one issue upon which Roo­sevelt was unyield­ing was his insis­tence that after the war, the Ger­man bankers must stand in the dock at the Nurem­berg war crimes tri­al. This is con­firmed by the top-secret White House—Justice Depart­ment cor­re­spon­dence files.

The plan was to wait until [Deutsche Bank chief Her­mann] Abs, Krupp, [indus­tri­al­ist Friedrich] Flick, and the rest of the indus­tri­al­ists were charged. Then Mor­gen­thau would unleash the wire­tap evi­dence show­ing that the Nazis had hid­den their stolen assets in Switzer­land, with the help of Allen Dulles. The whole scan­dal of West­ern aid to the Ger­man econ­omy would unrav­el. All the slights of the Stan­dard Oil black­mail would be avenged.

The sud­den release of the Safe­haven inter­cepts would force a pub­lic out­cry to bring trea­son charges against those British and Amer­i­can busi­ness­men who aid­ed the ene­my in time of war. The tar­gets includ­ed not only the Dulles broth­ers, but [Dil­lon & Read exec­u­tive and Sec­re­tary of the Navy James] For­re­stal and major indus­tri­al­ists, such as Hen­ry Ford. From a prosecutor’s point of view, indict­ing the Ger­man bankers first was a bril­liant strat­egy. To save them­selves, Her­man Abs and Hjal­mar Schacht [10] would have to reveal the whole his­tory of their sor­did deal­ings with com­pa­nies such as Ford Motor.

Despite the shields of Swiss bank­ing laws and the lay­ers of cor­po­ra­tions that Dulles had erect­ed, he had nev­er antic­i­pated that the Swiss bank codes and cables would ever become pub­lic knowl­edge. Roo­sevelt and [Trea­sury Sec­re­tary] Hen­ry Mor­gen­thau would have hanged him and all his col­leagues, for­ever break­ing the pow­er of the pirates of inter­na­tional finance. It was a glo­ri­ous dream. Yet the scheme com­pletely fell apart because some­one tipped off Dulles that he was under sur­veil­lance.

Because he learned about the Safe­haven inter­cepts so quick­ly, Dulles knew that there was no smok­ing gun against him. His work for the Nazis pri­or to the war was not ille­gal, let alone trea­so­nous. His wartime com­mu­ni­ca­tions with the Nazis, although high­ly embar­rass­ing, could be excused as an exer­cise in decep­tion or as part of his intrigues to over­throw Hitler. Although many of his wartime actions were unau­tho­rized, they were not crim­i­nal.

What was crim­i­nal was the way that Dulles was try­ing to help the Ger­man indus­tri­al­ists get their mon­ey out at the end of the war. After the Nazis’ 1943 defeat at Stal­in­grad, var­i­ous Nazi busi­ness­men real­ized they were on the los­ing side and made plans to evac­u­ate their wealth. The Per­on gov­ern­ment in Argenti­na was receiv­ing the Nazi flight cap­i­tal with open arms, and Dulles helped it hide the mon­ey. This was more than a vio­la­tion of the Trad­ing with the Ene­my Act; giv­ing aid and com­fort to the ene­my in time of war was trea­son. Once again, how­ever, Allen Dulles was one step ahead of his pur­suers. . . .

(The Secret War Against the Jews: How West­ern Espi­onage Betrayed the Jew­ish Peo­ple; John Lof­tus and Mark Aarons; Copy­right 1994 [HC]; St. Martin’s Press; ISBN 0–312–11057‑X; pp. 77–79.)

4. As indi­cat­ed above, Dulles was able to maneu­ver out of the defen­dan­t’s dock.

Dulles and some of his friends vol­un­teered for post­war ser­vice with the gov­ern­ment not out of patri­o­tism but of neces­sity. They had to be in posi­tions of pow­er to sup­press the evi­dence of their own deal­ings with the Nazis. The Safe­haven inves­ti­ga­tion was quick­ly stripped from Trea­sury, where Morgenthau’s sup­port­ers were still influ­en­tial, and turned over to the State Depart­ment. There Dulles’s friends shred­ded the index to the inter­lock­ing cor­po­ra­tions and blocked fur­ther inves­ti­ga­tions.

Dulles had this goal in mind: Not a sin­gle Amer­i­can busi­ness­man was ever going to be con­victed of trea­son for help­ing the Nazis. None ever was, despite the evi­dence. Accord­ing to one of our sources in the intel­li­gence com­mu­nity, the U.S. Army Counter Intel­li­gence Corps had two large ‘Civil­ian Intern­ment Cen­ters’ in Occu­pied Ger­many, code named ‘Ash­can’ and ‘Dust­bin.’ The CIC had iden­ti­fied and cap­tured a large num­ber of U.S. cit­i­zens who had stayed in Ger­many and aid­ed the Third Reich all through World War II. The evi­dence of their trea­son was over­whelm­ing. The cap­tured Ger­man records were hor­ri­bly incrim­i­nat­ing. . . .

Ibid.; p. 100.

5. Next, we reviewed the Bush fam­i­ly’s involve­ment with Nazi indus­try [11], includ­ing the deaths of two inves­ti­ga­tors [12] who were pur­su­ing the case–decades apart.

6. In con­nec­tion with Third Reich mon­ey-laun­der­ing, we reviewed the Vat­i­can bank’s role in financ­ing Nazi indus­try [13], and John added that a recent inves­ti­ga­tion revealed that that insti­tu­tion was still among the most cor­rupt in the world. Because it can’t be audit­ed, the Vat­i­can bank is a major vehi­cle for the laun­der­ing of “black” funds.

7. Yet anoth­er issue dat­ing from World War II to the present con­cerns a 60-year delay in release of the largest data­base con­cern­ing Third Reich activ­i­ties and the Holo­caust. Locat­ed in Ger­many, the release of the data­base’s infor­ma­tion was delayed because many of the iden­ti­ties of Holo­caust vic­tims had been assumed by Nazi war crim­i­nals, flee­ing the con­quest of Ger­many prop­er.

Uti­liz­ing expert forg­ing skills of Jew­ish engravers interned at the Ault-Aussee con­cen­tra­tion camp, the Nazis pro­vid­ed excel­lent cov­er for some of their fugitives–Jews who had “sur­vived” the Holo­caust! The iden­ti­ties of some of these “sur­vivors” were unmasked–including some who had found refuge in Israel! It is inter­est­ing to con­tem­plate the pos­si­bil­i­ty that some “Jews” involved with Israel are actu­al­ly fugi­tive Nazis!

8. Turn­ing to the sub­ject of the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood, John high­light­ed the impor­tant new book Mus­lim Mafia [7], doc­u­ment­ing Mus­lim Broth­er­hood infil­tra­tion of Amer­i­ca. In par­tic­u­lar, the book focus­es on CAIR (The Coun­cil on Amer­i­can-Islam­ic Rela­tions), a Mus­lim Broth­er­hood front orga­ni­za­tion in Amer­i­ca. Con­cep­tu­al­ized as sort of a NAACP for Mus­lims, CAIR is actu­al­ly ded­i­cat­ed to the sub­ju­ga­tion of Amer­i­can con­sti­tu­tion­al and demo­c­ra­t­ic val­ues to Sharia–Islamic law. It would not be inac­cu­rate to describe it as a front orga­ni­za­tion for ter­ror­ists. CAIR was an unin­dict­ed co-con­spir­a­tor in the recent­ly-con­clud­ed Holy Land Foun­da­tion tri­al.

John notes that much of the pro­gres­sive left takes the pro­pa­gan­da of the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood at face val­ue.

9. John not­ed that CAIR, along with the State Depart­ment, sub­vert­ed his Intel­li­gence Sum­mit forum, which brought togeth­er mem­bers of the jour­nal­is­tic and intel­li­gence com­mu­ni­ties.

10. Describ­ing David Gaubatz’s suc­cess­ful infil­tra­tion of CAIR, John relates how Chris Gaubatz (David’s son) posed as a Mus­lim con­vert in order to infil­trate the orga­ni­za­tion. Pos­ing as an intern, Chris quick­ly earned the trust of the organization’s lead­er­ship.

Charged with shred­ding sen­si­tive doc­u­ments, Chris pho­to­copied many of them, destroy­ing them only after they had been pre­served as evi­dence.

The pur­loined doc­u­ments revealed that CAIR was not only a front for the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood, but an orga­ni­za­tion ded­i­cat­ed to help­ing sub­vert Amer­i­can democ­ra­cy in favor of sharia—Islamic law.
More­over, essen­tial to this strat­e­gy is cov­er­ing for Mus­lim ter­ror­ists.

11. John reviewed the man­ner in which Enron’s nego­ti­a­tion with the Tal­iban [14] over a pipeline through Afghanistan–with the coop­er­a­tion of Dick Cheney–helped facil­i­tate the 9/11 attacks.

12. High­light­ing infor­ma­tion from his forth­com­ing Amer­i­can Nazi Secrets (to be pub­lished by Trine­Day), John reviews the devel­op­ment of the rela­tion­ship between the NSA and the GCHQ. In order to cir­cum­vent legal restric­tions on wire­tap­ping and elec­tron­ic sur­veil­lance, NSA (Amer­i­can) and GCHQ (British) wire­tap each other’s cit­i­zens and turn the infor­ma­tion over to appro­pri­ate oper­a­tives of the respec­tive agen­cies.

Sweep­ing the microwaves used to con­vey long dis­tance calls, the agen­cies mon­i­tor and record all long dis­tance calls.

Pro­grammed to respond to indi­vid­ual voic­es and key words, the sys­tem gen­er­ates tons of tran­scribed inter­cepts each day.

13. A par­tic­u­lar­ly dis­turb­ing aspect of this “vac­u­um clean­er” approach involves the posi­tion­ing of the Cana­di­an embassy in Wash­ing­ton. Jux­ta­posed to the hous­es of Con­gress, the embassy is locat­ed in such a way as to per­mit elec­tron­ic sur­veil­lance of Con­gress.

One of the method­olo­gies involved in such eaves­drop­ping involves the direct­ing of a laser beam against the win­dow­pane of a room to be mon­i­tored. The com­pres­sion and rar­efac­tion of the win­dow­pane gen­er­at­ed by the sound of the voic­es of the sur­veil­lance tar­gets reg­is­ters on the laser beam, which, in turn, prop­a­gates an audio repro­duc­tion of the con­ver­sa­tion.

14. The reten­tion and gen­er­a­tion of so much raw intel­li­gence input cre­ates a bot­tle­neck at the analy­sis lev­el, weak­en­ing the actu­al hands-on appli­ca­tion of the infor­ma­tion.

15. Crit­i­ciz­ing the pro­vi­sions of the Patri­ot Act, John under­scores the fun­da­men­tal com­pro­mis­ing of ter­ror­ism pros­e­cu­tion cas­es by the use of inter­ro­ga­tion under tor­ture. In addi­tion to the fact that sus­pects will say any­thing under tor­ture in order to escape the pain, pros­e­cu­tion of ter­ror­ists in a civil­ian court will result in the dis­missal of charges. Among those who fig­ure to be so acquit­ted are Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, appar­ent mas­ter­mind of the 9/11 attacks.

16. Turn­ing to the sub­ject of the Mid­dle East, John not­ed the prop­a­ga­tion of fab­ri­cat­ed sto­ries of Israeli atroc­i­ties against Pales­tini­ans and Arabs. In addi­tion to the fab­ri­cat­ed reports of the Jenin com­bat in 2002, John ana­lyzed the high pro­file Mohammed al-Dura inci­dent, which was a staged event.

Alleged to be the fatal wound­ing of a young Pales­tin­ian boy dur­ing the Sec­ond Intifa­da, the al-Dura inci­dent was an obvi­ous and fair­ly crude fab­ri­ca­tion. In addi­tion to the fact that the bul­lets strik­ing around the boy are com­ing from the wrong direc­tion to have been fired by the Israeli forces, it appears that the boy wasn’t hit at all.

The out­takes from the inci­dent reveal that, after alleged­ly being shot by an M‑16, the “mor­tal­ly-wound­ed” boy rais­es his head, peers at the cam­era and then lies back down “dead.”

In a recent appel­late deci­sion stem­ming from the al-Dura inci­dent, the court ruled that pro­duc­er Charles Ender­lin and France 2 (the TV sta­tion that aired the inci­dent) were delib­er­ate­ly prop­a­gat­ing a fraud! (The rul­ing stemmed from a law­suit by Philip Karsen­ty, who was accused of libel when he doc­u­ment­ed Enderlin’s and France 2’s delib­er­ate decep­tion.)

17. Ana­lyz­ing the Gold­stone Report, John high­lights the fun­da­men­tal­ly disin­gen­u­ous nature of the report. Co-authored by a retired Irish army colonel named Desmond Tra­vers, the report alleges that per­haps as many as “two” rock­ets were fired by Hamas at Israeli tar­gets. As can be read­i­ly doc­u­ment­ed, thou­sands of rounds were fired at civil­ian tar­gets, timed to land when chil­dren were get­ting out of school.

Among the bla­tant false­hoods in the report is an allegation—supposedly tak­en from a Pales­tin­ian report on the 2009 war said that 4,000 jobs were lost as a result of the war. The Gold­stone Report inflat­ed that to 40.000 jobs, sup­pos­ed­ly based on the Pales­tin­ian report.

John also notes that a retired British gen­er­al, hired by the noto­ri­ous­ly anti-Semit­ic BBC to com­ment on the alleged Israeli atroc­i­ties, stat­ed that the Israeli Defense Forces did more to pro­tect the lives of civil­ians than any army in the his­to­ry of war­fare.

By con­trast, Hamas delib­er­ate­ly tar­get­ed civil­ians with their rock­et fire, delib­er­ate­ly used civil­ian insti­tu­tions includ­ing schools and hos­pi­tals as fir­ing bases, delib­er­ate­ly posed as civil­ians in order to escape return fire.

18. On the sub­ject of Iran, John oppos­es mil­i­tary action to pre­vent the mul­lahs from get­ting nuclear weapons. In addi­tion to the fact that an attack would unite the coun­try, John feels that the Iran­ian nuclear capa­bil­i­ty is to geo­graph­i­cal­ly dis­persed to be dealt with mil­i­tar­i­ly. He feels that sanc­tions, par­tic­u­lar­ly a boy­cott of gaso­line imports into the coun­try, would help to pro­duce regime change.

19. Con­clud­ing with the recent Israeli raid on a Syr­i­an nuclear facil­i­ty. Assem­bled from the weapons-pro­duc­tion tech­nol­o­gy that had belonged to Sad­dam Hus­sein and was spir­it­ed out of Iraq under the noses of the Amer­i­can invad­ing forces. The Bush admin­is­tra­tion cov­ered this up, seek­ing to avoid embar­rass­ment.