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FTR #838 Interview (#1) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

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This program was recorded in one, 60-minute segment

Introduction: The first of several interviews with Peter Levenda, this program sets forth the historical and ideological foundation for the postwar perpetuation and operation of Nazism–“The Hitler Legacy.”

Peter calls the first section of his book “Origins of 21st Century Conflict.” It begins with events that occurred during, and in the immediate aftermath of, “The Great War.”

We open our analysis with Peter’s discussion of what he calls “The American Reich.” In order to understand the Nazi movement in America–a very powerful Fifth Column that fused with the Third Reich’s diaspora to form a key part of what Mr. Emory calls “The Underground Reich”–one must understand what took place at the end of World War I.

Reacting to the advent of the Soviet Union, abortive Marxist revolutions in Germany and elsewhere in Europe, largescale immigration of Catholics from Ireland and Italy and Jews from Eastern Europe, powerful elements of the U.S. power elite embraced fascism and eugenics ideology.

With the onset of the Great Depression, the potential threat of Communism was magnified in the eyes of many powerful American industrialists, financiers and corporate lawyers. Germany’s success in putting down the Marxist revolutions within its own borders, as well as the business relationships between corporate Germany and its cartel partners in the U.S. business community inclined many influential American reactionaries to support fascism.

By the same token, these same elements came to despise Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his “Jew Deal,” as it was called by his enemies. Attacking Roosevelt as a Jew and a Communist, American fascists embraced a cognitive and rhetorical position not unlike the view of Barack Obama as a “Kenyan Muslim,” and, consequently, a “traitor.”

The efforts of American right-wing power brokers were supplemented by powerful Fifth Columnists in the U.S., who sought to bring fascism to America. Attempting to combat what they saw as a “global conspiracy” involving Jews, Marxists trade unionists and “racial inferiors,” William Dudley Pelley and his Silver Shirts, Father Charles Coughlin (“The Radio Priest”) and Count Anastase Vonsiatsky actively collaborated with Third Reich intelligence and sought the overthrow of FDR.

Prominent in the ranks of American reaction was America First, an ostensibly isolationist organization that actually maintained a pro-fascist orientation and received funding from German intelligence as well. Aviator Charles Lindbergh and a young Gerald Ford were among the members of this organization.

Also prominent in Peter’s analysis of the “Origins of 21st Century Conflict” is the genesis of “global jihadism.” Ironically, what is perceived in parts of the Muslim world as an anti-imperial doctine had its genesis as a vehicle for colonial domination.

Seeking proxy warriors on behalf of the Kaiser, archaelogist Max von Oppenheim convinced Sultan Mehmet the V of the Ottoman Empire to declare a global jihad against England, France and Russia in an unsuccessful attempt to oust those nations from their colonial holdings in the Muslim world.

Britain, too, sought to employ proxy warriors against the Ottoman Empire, utilizing T.E. Lawrence’s Arab Legion and King Faisal. After the defeat of the Ottoman armies, the British violated their pledge of support for Arab self-governance, opting instead for the Sykes-Picot treaty dividing the Middle East between France and England.

During the First World War, Britain also signed the Balfour Delcaratin, expressing support for a Jewish homeland in the Middle East, in exchange for Jewish support in the war. After the conclusion of hostilities, the British Empire violated its agreement with the Zionists as well.

It was in British-controlled Palestine that we see the rise of a very important figure in the history of the Middle East, the grown of jihadism and the genesis of the collaboration between fascism and islamism–Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

Seeking to mozilize the feeling of betrayal on the part of many Muslims in the Middle East and elsewhere in the colonial world, al-Husseini ultimately became a general in the Waffen SS and the first leader of the Palestinian National movement. Husseini will be discussed at greater length next week.

Program Highlights Include: 

  • The Pelypenko affair and what it revealed–particularly the links of American fascists to Third Reich intelligence and economic infrastructure.
  • The role of the Nazi-allied Ukrainian underground in this country and the use of a Ukrainian assassin to eliminate FDR. This on the heels of the 1934 coup attempt.
  • Similarity in the point of view of Post World War I Germans and Post World War I Arabs: Belief in betrayal by a “Global Conspiracy.” How this dovetails with similar global conspiratorial paranoia on the part of U.S. and European elites. Jews and both “Bolsheviks” and colonizers will be taken up at greater length in future programs. (This will be taken up at greater length next week.)

1. The discussion begins with Peter’s reading of a quote from page 14.

The Hitler Legacy by Peter Levenda; IBIS Press [HC]; Copyright 2014 by Peter Levenda; ISBN 978-0-89254-210-9; p. 14.

. . . . I have seen documentation that proves beyond any doubt that networks existed after the war to assist Nazi war criminals in their escape and survival, and that these networks were far more pervasive than even the fantasies of Frederick Forsyth and Ira Levin would have us believe. More to the point, the evidence that there existed (and still exists) a strong relationship between underground Nazi organizations and underground “Islamist” organizations is strong, incontrovertible, and deeply troubling. . . .

. . . . The number of Nazis who “converted” to Islam after the war is astounding. The number of Americans who participated in the Nazi underground is even more astounding.

When we discuss the rise of what the press calls “jihadism” or “Islamist fundamentalism” or “Islamist terror cells,” we have to put these terms and what they represent into context.

This is the Hitler Legacy: From terror bombings in Europe in the 1960’s and 1970’s, to assassinations of political leaders around the world, to drug-running and arms smuggling, to Operation Condor, and all the way to the events of September 11,20011 what we have to confront is the possibility that our governments and our intelligence agencies have become Sorcerer’s Apprentices. Like the Disney movie, our Mickey Mouse savants and spies have clumsily summoned forces beyond their control What began as an effort to contain the Soviet Union and the People’s Republic of China has become the template for a campaign of global terrorism directed at us.

This is that story. . . .

2. Next, we explore a section of the book titled the “Origins of 21st Century Conflict.” Our first focal point is in Europe and North America in the immediate aftermath of World War I. Highlights of this part of the program include:
  • Analyzing the abortive socialist revolutions that took place in Germany at the end of the First World War, Peter notes the role of the Freikorps and related institutions in suppressing those revolts. In particular, a number of overlapping Pan-German occult organizations, including the Thule Gesellschaft, contributed to the substance of German reaction in the post-World War I period.
  • In the United States, the Bolshevik Revolution produced a spate of anti-Communist organizations that saw Marxism’s advocacy of a workers’ revolution as a fundamental threat to the existing order.
  • Marx’s Jewish background–in tandem with large Jewish emigration from Eastern Europe–fed a doctrinaire anti-Semitism which fused with anti-Communism to become a key element of fascist ideology in the U.S. and the rest of the world.
  • The program set forth how Bolshevism, immigration and anti-Semitism fused to become a theory of “global conspiracy.”
  • We highlight the role in the formation of this ideology of Darwin’s theories and eugenics, both in the U.S. and in Germany. (In particular, we discuss the impact of Irish and Italian Catholic immigration as well as Jewish immigration on the consciousness of elements of the American power elite.) We also detail how National Socialists came to view their role in shaping the evolution of homo sapiens.
  • The Depression and FDR’s New Deal and their effects on many of those same elements of the Power Elite.
  • Hate-mongering that labeled FDR as a “Jew” and a “Communist”–similar to anti-Obama rhetoric portraying him as a Muslim and a traitor.
  • Atavism–the longing for a “simpler time” and its manifestations both in the 1930’s and presently.
3. The next section of the program presents information about individuals and institutions prominent in the “American Reich:” Focal points of the discussion include:
  • Major industrial and financial interests: corporations like Standard Oil (a German company originally), General Motors, Ford Motor Company, IBM, Dupont  and many others collaborated. Many prominent individuals, including George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush, Sr.; Henry Ford; Thomas Watson; Allen and John Foster Dulles.
  • America First: its “isolationism,” pro-fascist sympathies and funding by German intelligence.
  • The Ku Klux Klan.
  • William Dudley Pelley and his Silver Shirts. Pelley foresaw the destruction of the Jews as occurring on September 17,2001! (Close enough for a government job as Peter says.)
  • Father Coughlin.
  • Count Anastase Vonisiatsky.
  • The Pelypenko affair and what it revealed–particularly the links of the above elements to Third Reich intelligence and economic infrastructure.
  • The role of the Nazi-allied Ukrainian underground in this country and the use of a Ukrainian assassin to eliminate FDR. This on the heels of the 1934 coup attempt.

4. A quote from page 73 about the ideology of Islamist terrorism both encapsulates discussion about the origins of global jihad and anticipates next week’s discussion about the Grand Mufti and events surrounding the advent of World War II.

The Hitler Legacy by Peter Levenda; IBIS Press [HC]; Copyright 2014 by Peter Levenda; ISBN 978-0-89254-210-9; p. 73.

. . . . A new narrative was about to be born, and it became the Grand Unified Theory of Islamist terrorism; anti-Zionism became equivalent to anti-Semitism; the Jews had created Bolshevism as a mechanism for dividing and conquering all other races; they were aided and abetted in this program by the European powers–the “Crusaders”–who cooperated with the Jews in order to enslave the Muslims; and that the only way to defend Arab, i.e. Muslim, territories against the invaders was to proclaim a jihad. Since the Arabs did not have the same access to money and military equipment as the Crusaders and the Jews, the jihad would have to be waged “by any means necessary.” This included the regimen suggested by Oppenheim of individual assassinations, independent bands of jihadists, and guerrilla warfare that included targeting civilian populations. Once Jews were identified as the enemy of Islam, the designation of enemy combatant could be extended to include not only able-boidied men who carried arms and fought in pitched battles, but anyone who was Jewish: women women, children, and all those previously considered non-combatants. . . .

. . . . This new paradigm would become enshrined in the concept of “total war,” a phrase coined by former German General Erich Ludendorf (1865-1937) to designate a state in which all the resources of a nation had to be mobilized in the war effort. When two such states are at war, then it is inevitable that civilian populations on both sides would be slaughtered in an effort of each side to deprive the other of the raw material of conflict–to destroy logistical suport, industry, agriculture and most of all every human who could grow food, make ammunition, or fire a weapon. . . . .

5. One of the most important parts of Peter’s book concerns his analysis of the origins of global jihad. Key focal points of the discussion include:

  • Max von Oppenheim and his formulation of jihad in concert with the Ottoman Empire. An important point of emphasis is the fact that what is today “jihadism” began as a tool of European imperialism during World War I.
  • T.E. Lawrence and Britain’s use of the Arab Rebellion.
  • The Balfour Agreement.
  • England and France’s betrayal of their promises to both the Arabs and the Jews. Sykes-Picot agreement and the replacement of the Hashemites as guardians of Mecca and Medina.
  • Similarity in the point of view of Post World War I Germans and Post World War I Arabs: Belief in betrayal by a “Global Conspiracy.” How this dovetails with similar global conspiratorial paranoia on the part of U.S. and European elites. Jews and both “Bolsheviks” and colonizers.
  • The Grand Mufti’s alliance with the Third Reich (we’ll have more to say about this in future interviews.)

6. A third excerpt from page 307 serves to present the operating thesis of this book:

The Hitler Legacy by Peter Levenda; IBIS Press [HC]; Copyright 2014 by Peter Levenda; ISBN 978-0-89254-210-9; p. 307.

. . . . The whole thrust of this book has been that American leaders in business, finance, media, and politics collaborated with Nazis before, during, and after the war. The West’s share in the ‘blame” for Al-Qaeda, et al, goes back a long way–before Eisenhower–to a cabal of extremist US Army generals and emigre Eastern Europeans who didn’t have much of a problem with Nazism since they feared Communism more. The Church, the Tibetans, the Japanese, the Germans, the Croatians–and the Americans–all felt that Communism was the greater danger, long before WWII. We enlisted war criminals to fight on our side. We appropriated the idea of global jihad from the Nazis and their WW I predecessors. We amped up their plan to weaponize religion and convinced Muslims, who hated each other, to band together to fight Communism. And when Afghanistan was liberated and the Soviet Union was defeated?

September 11, 2001. . . .

Discussion

4 comments for “FTR #838 Interview (#1) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy””

  1. Excellent. One of the best (if not best) historical perspective on the rise of the Third Reich and associated fascist regimes and movements of the 20th century I’ve heard. And I’ve heard a lot. I am in rapt anticipation of part two and would be overjoyed if there were a part 3. I’m learning from other sources just how right Dave has been about Ukraine. I still think Russia ought to stay out of Ukraine. But the strong presence of neo-Nazis there furnishes Putin with an excuse for his own aggression.

    Posted by Dusty | March 10, 2015, 11:42 am
  2. @Dusty–

    There will be at least 3, and maybe 5 or six interviews with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy,”–a book that, as I said in the interview, gets the “Dave Emory Five-Star Rating.”

    We’re going to do as many as it takes to cover the material he presents.

    Interview #2 will be recorded this weekend.

    Best,

    Dave Emory

    Posted by Dave Emory | March 10, 2015, 4:38 pm
  3. This is great Mr. Emory. A few months back, I saw that you and Mr. Levenda were corresponding in the comments section. I am glad to hear a longer conversation.

    Posted by Mason | March 13, 2015, 10:18 pm
  4. I love this series of interviews, which I’ve re-listened to countless times since last year. I finished reading Levenda’s book last week. Great Stuff especially on fascism in Asia. I hope you have him back someday to talk about Unholy Alliance. I’m currently reading “The Beast Reawakens” by Martin A. Lee which people should also check out along with the great interviews you did with him. Check out my article on the CIA and the Gehlen org called “Nazis and The CIA” (Based on Christopher Simpson’s “Blowback” another must read) http://anti-imperialist-u.blogspot.com/2014/06/nazis-and-cia.html

    Posted by Hugo Turner | May 6, 2017, 11:52 am

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