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FTR #839 Interview (#2) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

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This pro­gram was record­ed in one, 60-minute seg­ment [7]

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[9]Intro­duc­tion: The sec­ond of sev­er­al inter­views with Peter Lev­en­da [10], this pro­gram sets forth the his­tor­i­cal and ide­o­log­i­cal foun­da­tion [11] for the post­war per­pet­u­a­tion and oper­a­tion of Nazism–“The Hitler Lega­cy.” [12]

The the­sis of this remark­able book might be summed up in an excerpt from page 307:

. . . . After World War II, the Amer­i­can peo­ple thought that Nazi Ger­many had been defeat­ed and the “war” was over; this book demon­strates that it nev­er was. Instead, we were told that Com­mu­nism was the new threat and we had to pull out all the stops to pre­vent a Com­mu­nist takeover of the coun­try. And so our mil­i­tary and our intel­li­gence agen­cies col­lab­o­rat­ed with sur­viv­ing Nazis to go after Com­mu­nists. We refused to pur­sue world­wide right wing ter­ror groups and assas­sins. After all, they were killing Com­mu­nists and left­ists; they were doing us a ser­vice. Like Hoover and the Mafia, the CIA refused to believe a Nazi Under­ground exist­ed even as they col­lab­o­rat­ed with it (via the Gehlen Orga­ni­za­tion and the like).

The whole thrust of this book has been that Amer­i­can lead­ers in busi­ness, finance, media, and pol­i­tics col­lab­o­rat­ed with Nazis before, dur­ing, and after the war. The West­’s share in the ‘blame” for Al-Qae­da, et al, goes back a long way–before Eisenhower–to a cabal of extrem­ist US Army gen­er­als and emi­gre East­ern Euro­peans who did­n’t have much of a prob­lem with Nazism since they feared Com­mu­nism more. The Church, the Tibetans, the Japan­ese, the Ger­mans, the Croatians–and the Americans–all felt that Com­mu­nism was the greater dan­ger, long before WWII. We enlist­ed war crim­i­nals to fight on our side. We appro­pri­at­ed the idea of glob­al jihad from the Nazis and their WW I pre­de­ces­sors. We amped up their plan to weaponize reli­gion and con­vinced Mus­lims, who hat­ed each oth­er, to band togeth­er to fight Com­mu­nism. And when Afghanistan was lib­er­at­ed and the Sovi­et Union was defeat­ed?

Sep­tem­ber 11, 2001. . . .

Peter calls the first sec­tion of his book “Ori­gins of 21st Cen­tu­ry Con­flict.” It begins with events that occurred dur­ing, and in the imme­di­ate after­math of, “The Great War.”

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Hein­rich Himm­ler and Grand Mufti Hus­sei­ni

Promi­nent in Peter’s analy­sis of the “Ori­gins of 21st Cen­tu­ry Con­flict” is the gen­e­sis of “glob­al jihadism.” Iron­i­cal­ly, what is per­ceived in parts of the Mus­lim world as an anti-impe­r­i­al doc­tine had its gen­e­sis as a vehi­cle for colo­nial dom­i­na­tion.

Seek­ing proxy war­riors on behalf of the Kaiser, archael­o­gist Max von Oppen­heim con­vinced Sul­tan Mehmet the V of the Ottoman Empire to declare a glob­al jihad against Eng­land, France and Rus­sia in an unsuc­cess­ful attempt to oust those nations from their colo­nial hold­ings in the Mus­lim world.

Britain, too, sought to employ proxy war­riors against the Ottoman Empire, uti­liz­ing T.E. Lawrence’s Arab Legion and King Faisal. After the defeat of the Ottoman armies, the British vio­lat­ed their pledge of sup­port for Arab self-gov­er­nance, opt­ing instead for the Sykes-Picot treaty divid­ing the Mid­dle East between France and Eng­land.

Dur­ing the First World War, Britain also signed the Bal­four Del­ca­ra­tion, express­ing sup­port for a Jew­ish home­land in the Mid­dle East, in exchange for Jew­ish sup­port in the war. After the con­clu­sion of hos­til­i­ties, the British Empire vio­lat­ed its agree­ment with the Zion­ists as well.

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The Grand Mufti Inspects a Balkan Mus­lim Waf­fen SS Unit

It was in British-con­trolled Pales­tine that we see the rise of a very impor­tant fig­ure in the his­to­ry of the Mid­dle East, the grown of jihadism and the gen­e­sis of the col­lab­o­ra­tion between fas­cism and Islamism [15]–Haj Amin al-Hus­sei­ni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

Seek­ing to mozilize the feel­ing of betray­al on the part of many Mus­lims in the Mid­dle East and else­where in the colo­nial world, al-Hus­sei­ni ulti­mate­ly became a gen­er­al in the Waf­fen SS and the first leader of the Pales­tin­ian Nation­al move­ment.

Next, we high­light Peter’s analy­sis of what hap­pened when the Nazis came to pow­er, putting NSDAP ide­o­logues in posi­tions of influ­ence around the world–diplomats, mil­i­tary attach­es, spies etc. Net­work­ing with like mind­ed inter­ests in oth­er coun­tries, they worked with ele­ments in the U.S. dis­cussed in FTR #838 [16]. Fur­ther illu­mi­nat­ing some points of dis­cus­sion fea­tured in our first inter­view, the pro­gram sets forth infor­ma­tion about the Nazi-allied Ukrain­ian fas­cist milieu active in the U.S. pri­or to, and dur­ing, World War II.

We then digress, to present an overview of the Ford Motor Com­pa­ny milieu and inter­na­tion­al fas­cism, from Ger­man-Amer­i­can Bund leader Fritz Kuhn to Michael Ver­non Town­ley, a per­pe­tra­tor of the assas­si­na­tion of Orlan­do Lete­lier, son of a Ford Motor Com­pa­ny employ­ee in Chile, mem­ber of the Chilean Nazi par­ty and one of the prin­ci­pals in the design and oper­a­tion of Colo­nia Dig­nidad. We sum­ma­rize Colo­nia Dig­nidad and Peter’s brave, fright­en­ing vis­it to that Nazi bas­tion dis­cussed in his book Unholy Alliance [17].

Peter vis­it­ed this Nazi out­post in Chile in 1979. Part of what we call “The Under­ground Reich,” it served as a tor­ture cen­ter for the Pinchet regime in Chile. Financed by the Nazi dias­po­ra, in was an epi­cen­ter for “Oper­a­tion Condor,”–an inter­na­tion­al assas­si­na­tion con­sor­tium of Latin Amer­i­can dic­ta­tor­ships assist­ed by ele­ments of U.S. intel­li­gence. (The assas­si­na­tion of Orlan­do Lete­lier was the best known of these killings.)

Peter vis­it­ed “The Colony,” as it was known, against the advice of the local con­stab­u­lary. Staffed by Ger­mans, it served as a tor­ture cen­ter for the Pinochet dic­ta­tor­ship. Michael Ver­non Town­ley, an elec­tron­ics engi­neer, who cre­at­ed remote con­trol tor­ture cen­ters, which per­mit­ted mul­ti­ple sus­pects to be “inter­ro­gat­ed” simul­ta­ne­ous­ly, by remote con­trol.

“The Colony” was fund­ed by the world­wide Nazi mon­ey machine and was revealed to have devel­oped weapons of mass destruc­tion, includ­ing sarin gas. It remains in exis­tence.

After being able to leave Colo­nia Dig­nidad, Peter was put on a plane back to the Unit­ed States, lost his job with the Ben­dix cor­po­ra­tion and was repeat­ed­ly sub­ject­ed to anti-Semit­ic death threats.

Pro­gram High­lights Include:

1. Con­tin­u­ing dis­cus­sion intro­duced in the pre­vi­ous pro­gram, we fur­ther devel­op Peter’s analy­sis of the ori­gins of glob­al jihad.

Iron­i­cal­ly, what is per­ceived in parts of the Mus­lim world as an anti-impe­r­i­al doc­trine had its gen­e­sis as a vehi­cle for colo­nial dom­i­na­tion.

Seek­ing proxy war­riors on behalf of the Kaiser, archae­ol­o­gist Max von Oppen­heim con­vinced Sul­tan Mehmet the V of the Ottoman Empire to declare a glob­al jihad against Eng­land, France and Rus­sia in an unsuc­cess­ful attempt to oust those nations from their colo­nial hold­ings in the Mus­lim world.

Peter sums up a pro­found irony in this gam­bit on page 67:

. . . . In sum, glob­al jihad was orig­i­nal­ly con­ceived as a tool for West­ern, Euro­pean colo­nial­ists to (iron­i­cal­ly) manip­u­late anti-colo­nial sen­ti­ments by ele­vat­ing them to the sta­tus of divine ordi­nance, tak­ing what was a polit­i­cal and eco­nom­ic situation–colonialism–and inter­pret­ing it with­in a pure­ly reli­gious con­text. . . .

Britain, too, sought to employ proxy war­riors against the Ottoman Empire, uti­liz­ing T.E. Lawrence’s Arab Legion and King Faisal. After the defeat of the Ottoman armies, the British vio­lat­ed their pledge of sup­port for Arab self-gov­er­nance, opt­ing instead for the Sykes-Picot treaty divid­ing the Mid­dle East between France and Eng­land.

Dur­ing the First World War, Britain also signed the Bal­four Del­ca­ra­tion, express­ing sup­port for a Jew­ish home­land in the Mid­dle East, in exchange for Jew­ish sup­port in the war. After the con­clu­sion of hos­til­i­ties, the British Empire vio­lat­ed its agree­ment with the Zion­ists as well.

It was in British-con­trolled Pales­tine that we see the rise of a very impor­tant fig­ure in the his­to­ry of the Mid­dle East, the grown of jihadism and the gen­e­sis of the col­lab­o­ra­tion between fas­cism and islamism [15]–Haj Amin al-Hus­sei­ni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

Seek­ing to mobi­lize the feel­ing of betray­al on the part of many Mus­lims in the Mid­dle East and else­where in the colo­nial world, al-Hus­sei­ni ulti­mate­ly became a gen­er­al in the Waf­fen SS and the first leader of the Pales­tin­ian Nation­al move­ment.

Key ele­ments of this part of the analy­sis include:

The essence of the world view that devel­oped on “the Arab street” and that informed those sym­pa­thet­ic to the Grand Mufti and the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood is summed up by Peter on page 73 (note that von Oppen­heim and Luden­dorf for­mal­ized the jihadist tac­tic of tar­get­ing civil­ians and inno­cents as part of this jihadist oper­a­tional par­a­digm):

. . . . A new nar­ra­tive was about to be born, and it became the Grand Uni­fied The­o­ry of Islamist ter­ror­ism; anti-Zion­ism became equiv­a­lent to anti-Semi­tism; the Jews had cre­at­ed Bol­she­vism as a mech­a­nism for divid­ing and con­quer­ing all oth­er races; they were aid­ed and abet­ted in this pro­gram by the Euro­pean powers–the “Crusaders”–who coop­er­at­ed with the Jews in order to enslave the Mus­lims; and that the only way to defend Arab, i.e. Mus­lim, ter­ri­to­ries against the invaders was to pro­claim a jihad. Since the Arabs did not have the same access to mon­ey and mil­i­tary equip­ment as the Cru­saders and the Jews, the jihad would have to be waged “by any means nec­es­sary.” This includ­ed the reg­i­men sug­gest­ed by Oppen­heim of indi­vid­ual assas­si­na­tions, inde­pen­dent bands of jihadists, and guer­ril­la war­fare that includ­ed tar­get­ing civil­ian pop­u­la­tions. Once Jews were iden­ti­fied as the ene­my of Islam, the des­ig­na­tion of ene­my com­bat­ant could be extend­ed to include not only able-bod­ied men who car­ried arms and fought in pitched bat­tles, but any­one who was Jew­ish: women women, chil­dren, and all those pre­vi­ous­ly con­sid­ered non-com­bat­ants. . . .

. . . . This new par­a­digm would become enshrined in the con­cept of “total war,” a phrase coined by for­mer Ger­man Gen­er­al Erich Luden­dorf (1865–1937) to des­ig­nate a state in which all the resources of a nation had to be mobi­lized in the war effort. When two such states are at war, then it is inevitable that civil­ian pop­u­la­tions on both sides would be slaugh­tered in an effort of each side to deprive the oth­er of the raw mate­r­i­al of conflict–to destroy logis­ti­cal sup­port, indus­try, agri­cul­ture and most of all every human who could grow food, make ammu­ni­tion, or fire a weapon. . . . .

2. Next, we high­light Peter’s analy­sis of what hap­pened when the Nazis came to pow­er, putting NSDAP ide­o­logues in posi­tions of influ­ence around the world–diplomats, mil­i­tary attach­es, spies etc.

Net­work­ing with like mind­ed inter­ests in oth­er coun­tries, they worked with ele­ments in the U.S. dis­cussed in FTR #838 [16]. Fur­ther illu­mi­nat­ing some points of dis­cus­sion fea­tured in our first inter­view, the pro­gram sets forth infor­ma­tion about the Nazi-allied Ukrain­ian fas­cist milieu active in the U.S. pri­or to, and dur­ing, World War II. Top­ics high­light­ed include:

3. We digress, slight­ly, to present a brief overview of the Ford Motor Com­pa­ny milieu and inter­na­tion­al fas­cism, from Ger­man-Amer­i­can Bund leader Fritz Kuhn to Michael Ver­non Town­ley, a per­pe­tra­tor of the assas­si­na­tion of Orlan­do Lete­lier, son of a Ford Motor Com­pa­ny employ­ee in Chile, mem­ber of the Chilean Nazi par­ty and one of the prin­ci­pals in the design and oper­a­tion of Colo­nia Dig­nidad. We briefly digress to sum­ma­rize Colo­nia Dig­nidad and Peter’s brave, fright­en­ing vis­it to that Nazi bas­tion dis­cussed in his book Unholy Alliance [17].

Peter vis­it­ed “The Colony,” as it was known, against the advice of the local con­stab­u­lary. Staffed by Ger­mans, it served as a tor­ture cen­ter for the Pinochet dic­ta­tor­ship. Michael Ver­non Town­ley, an elec­tron­ics engi­neer, who cre­at­ed remote con­trol tor­ture cen­ters, which per­mit­ted mul­ti­ple sus­pects to be “inter­ro­gat­ed” simul­ta­ne­ous­ly, by remote con­trol.

After being able to leave Colo­nia Dig­nidad, Peter was put on a plane back to the Unit­ed States, lost his job with the Ben­dix cor­po­ra­tion and was repeat­ed­ly sub­ject­ed to anti-Semit­ic death threats.