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FTR #840 Interview (#3) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

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This program was recorded in one, 60-minute segment

Martin Bormann (right) with Himmler

Introduction: The third of several interviews with Peter Levenda, this program sets forth the historical and ideological foundation for the postwar perpetuation and operation of Nazism–“The Hitler Legacy.”

The thesis of this remarkable book might be summed up in an excerpt from page 307:

. . . . After World War II, the American people thought that Nazi Germany had been defeated and the “war” was over; this book demonstrates that it never was. Instead, we were told that Communism was the new threat and we had to pull out all the stops to prevent a Communist takeover of the country. And so our military and our intelligence agencies collaborated with surviving Nazis to go after Communists. We refused to pursue worldwide right wing terror groups and assassins. After all, they were killing Communists and leftists; they were doing us a service. Like Hoover and the Mafia, the CIA refused to believe a Nazi Underground existed even as they collaborated with it (via the Gehlen Organization and the like).

The whole thrust of this book has been that American leaders in business, finance, media, and politics collaborated with Nazis before, during, and after the war. The West’s share in the ‘blame” for Al-Qaeda, et al, goes back a long way–before Eisenhower–to a cabal of extremist US Army generals and emigre Eastern Europeans who didn’t have much of a problem with Nazism since they feared Communism more. The Church, the Tibetans, the Japanese, the Germans, the Croatians–and the Americans–all felt that Communism was the greater danger, long before WWII. We enlisted war criminals to fight on our side. We appropriated the idea of global jihad from the Nazis and their WW I predecessors. We amped up their plan to weaponize religion and convinced Muslims, who hated each other, to band together to fight Communism. And when Afghanistan was liberated and the Soviet Union was defeated?

September 11, 2001. . . .

Fundamental to grasping The Hitler Legacy is an understanding of what Peter calls “Exit Strategy.” As military defeat became inevitable, the Third Reich undertook a deliberate diaspora, utilizing liaisons with individuals and institutions who were sympathetic to their cause.

Allen Dulles

Reinhard Gehlen: Nazi head of postwar German intelligence

In addition to the SS, the financiers and industrialists of the Reich engineered an economic diaspora. Discussing the Red House Document, Peter sets forth the fundamentals of the Third Reich’s flight capital network.

Fundamental to an understanding of the formation of what might well be termed an “Underground Reich” is the intent of the assembled luminaries to provide for the postwar financing of the Nazi party and the placement of Nazi war criminals in key Nazi industrial concerns abroad.

The discussion highlights critical and overlapping elements that figured prominently in the coalescence of this “Underground Reich.”

The political elements around the world that were highlighted in the first two of our interviews were the manure with which the Nazi diaspora seeds were fertilized and from which the “Underground Reich” grew.

Briefly concluding with a point of discussion that will be developed at greater length in our next interview. Building on the strategy formed by Max von Oppenheim in the First World War and on resentment on the Arab street about the betrayal of the Arab revolt by Britain and France, Haj Amin al-Husseini mobilized Arab sentiment on behalf of the Third Reich.

Program Highlights Include: 

  • The Vatican’s “Ratlines,” assembled by clerics such as Alois Hudal, Father Draganovic and Cardinal Montini (later Pope Paul VI).
  • The profound relationships between German industry and finance and counterparts abroad, especially American corporations, executives and allied legal interests, such as the Dulles brothers and Sullivan and Cromwell.
  • The citing by SS Dr. Scheid of the utility of the Hamburg-Amerika Line for Germany in the past. (Although not mentioned in The Hitler Legacy, this is one of the Bush family businesses that worked with the Reich.)
  • Operation Safehaven and the abortive attempt by U.S. intelligence to interdict “Aktion Adlerflug” (“Operation Eagle’s Flight”), the flight capital program.
  • The Bank of International Settlements and its prominent role in Nazi finance before, during and after World War II.
  • The rightward shift of the political climate in the post-World War II period, favoring the use of Nazis as useful “anti-Communists” and marginalizing or politically destroying anti-Nazis as “Communist sympathizers.”
  • The formation of the Reinhard Gehlen spy network and the closely-allied Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations (a key element of the World Anti-Communist League.)
  • A brief examination of Nazism as a spiritual movement.

1. Fundamental to grasping The Hitler Legacy is an understanding of what Peter calls “Exit Strategy.” As military defeat became inevitable, the Third Reich undertook a deliberate diaspora, utilizing liaisons with individuals and institutions who were sympathetic to their cause. Encapsulating this dynamic, Peter writes on pages 112-113:

. . . . The men who had financed and supported the Reich from its salad days in the 1920’s and 1930’s now realized that other arrangements had to be made. Industrialists, bankers, engineers and scientists had to find a way to oil their resources and hide as much money, information, and technology as possible from the Allied forces so that Germany could be rebuilt quickly. At the same time, the SS knew that it had been declared a criminal organization by the Allies and that the days of its members were numbered. It had, however, an extensive network of spies, informants, and sympathizers all over the world, some of whom had begun to engage in anti-colonial movements against the British, the French, and the Dutch. These would become useful in the months and years to come.

Imagine that the Sicilian mafia had begun as the legitimate government of Sicily, but that Palermo was being overrun by another army; the Mafia would simply go underground and form a government-in-exile, waiting for the day its membership could quietly return to Palermo to retake power. that was the SS in 1944 and 1945; what had started as an official German government agency and paramilitary and military force was suddenly declared a kind of mafia, an organized crime syndicate whose members would be hated to the ends of the earth and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the (newly created) law: the Nazis would be charged with cremes against humanity and all SS-men would be declared criminals by virtue of their membership. . . .

. . . . A new paradigm was taking place, something far in world history. A defeated nation had been occupied by its enemies, but a defeated ideology survived the military defeat and reorganized and rebranded itself. What the Allies did not realize at the time was that Nazism could not be eradicated with guns and bombs. What the Nazis knew was that they could carry on their ideological struggle from anywhere on earth, and they did. The war was not over for them; they had simply moved the theater of operations: to the Middle East, the Americas, Central Asia, and to South and Southeast Asia. And they did all of that with assistance from the very governments that had defeated them. This would be absurd if it wasn’t true. . . .

2. In addition to the SS, the financiers and industrialists of the Reich engineered an economic diaspora. Discussing the Red House Document, Peter sets forth the fundamentals of the Third Reich’s flight capital network. On pages 114-115, Peter writes:

. . . . In other words, as the rest of the SS was preparing escape routes for personnel and gold, the SS chief in Strasbourg was preparing for a different kind of escape route. The money, the industrial base, and the personnel would go together; it was nothing less than the recreation of the Reich somewhere else, out of reach of the each of the victors. The plan was to arrange for the resurrection of the Reich and the reconstitution of the German economy as soon as the Allies gave them the opportunity. . . .

Fundamental to an understanding of the formation of what might well be termed an “Underground Reich” is the intent of the assembled luminaries to provide for the postwar financing of the Nazi party and the placement of Nazi war criminals in key Nazi industrial concerns abroad.

The discussion highlights critical and overlapping elements that figured prominently in the coalescence of this “Underground Reich,” as well as points of analysis relevant to this, including:

  • The Vatican’s “Ratlines,” assembled by clerics such as Alois Hudal, Father Draganovic and Cardinal Montini (later Pope Paul VI).
  • The profound relationships between German industry and finance and counterparts abroad, especially American corporations, executives and allied legal interests, such as the Dulles brothers and Sullivan and Cromwell.
  • The citing by SS Dr. Scheid of the utility of the Hamburg-Amerika Line for Germany in the past. (Although not mentioned in The Hitler Legacy, this is one of the Bush family businesses that worked with the Reich.)
  • Operation Safehaven and the abortive attempt by U.S. intelligence to interdict “Aktion Adlerflug” (“Operation Eagle’s Flight”), the flight capital program.
  • Brief mention of Paul Manning and his work on the Bormann flight capital network.
  • The Bank of International Settlements and its prominent role in Nazi finance before, during and after World War II.
  • The rightward shift of the political climate in the post-World War II period, favoring the use of Nazis as useful “anti-Communists” and marginalizing or politically destroying anti-Nazis as “Communist sympathizers.”
  • The formation of the Reinhard Gehlen spy network and the closely-allied Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations (a key element of the World Anti-Communist League.)
  • Analysis of Nazism as a “spiritual movement.”

3. The global jihad stratagem hatched by Max von Oppenheim and the view on the Arab street that they were the victim of a global international conspiracy were utilized by the Third Reich and Haj Amin al-Husseini, who recruited Muslims to serve in Waffen SS formations for Hitler. Discussion points include:

  • The Hanjar Division-13th Waffen SS, among other Muslim Waffen SS formations, was formed by the Grand Mufti.

 

 

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