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FTR #846 Interview (#9) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy”

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Lis­ten: MP3  This pro­gram was record­ed in one, 60-minute seg­ment.

Intro­duc­tion: The ninth inter­view with Peter Lev­en­da, this pro­gram sets forth the his­tor­i­cal and ide­o­log­i­cal foun­da­tion for the post­war per­pet­u­a­tion and oper­a­tion of Nazism–“The Hitler Lega­cy.” Mr. Emory views this book as one of the most impor­tant polit­i­cal vol­umes ever writ­ten. Lis­ten­ers are emphat­i­cal­ly encour­aged to pur­chase it, read it and tell oth­ers about it.

The the­sis of this remark­able book might be summed up in an excerpt from page 307:

. . . . After World War II, the Amer­i­can peo­ple thought that Nazi Ger­many had been defeat­ed and the “war” was over; this book demon­strates that it nev­er was. Instead, we were told that Com­mu­nism was the new threat and we had to pull out all the stops to pre­vent a Com­mu­nist takeover of the coun­try. And so our mil­i­tary and our intel­li­gence agen­cies col­lab­o­rat­ed with sur­viv­ing Nazis to go after Com­mu­nists. We refused to pur­sue world­wide right wing ter­ror groups and assas­sins. After all, they were killing Com­mu­nists and left­ists; they were doing us a ser­vice. Like Hoover and the Mafia, the CIA refused to believe a Nazi Under­ground exist­ed even as they col­lab­o­rat­ed with it (via the Gehlen Orga­ni­za­tion and the like).

The whole thrust of this book has been that Amer­i­can lead­ers in busi­ness, finance, media, and pol­i­tics col­lab­o­rat­ed with Nazis before, dur­ing, and after the war. The West­’s share in the ‘blame” for Al-Qae­da, et al, goes back a long way–before Eisenhower–to a cabal of extrem­ist US Army gen­er­als and emi­gre East­ern Euro­peans who did­n’t have much of a prob­lem with Nazism since they feared Com­mu­nism more. The Church, the Tibetans, the Japan­ese, the Ger­mans, the Croatians–and the Americans–all felt that Com­mu­nism was the greater dan­ger, long before WWII. We enlist­ed war crim­i­nals to fight on our side. We appro­pri­at­ed the idea of glob­al jihad from the Nazis and their WW I pre­de­ces­sors. We amped up their plan to weaponize reli­gion and con­vinced Mus­lims, who hat­ed each oth­er, to band togeth­er to fight Com­mu­nism. And when Afghanistan was lib­er­at­ed and the Sovi­et Union was defeat­ed?

Sep­tem­ber 11, 2001. . . .

This inter­view opens with Peter fur­ther devel­op­ing analy­sis of a mys­te­ri­ous cast of char­ac­ters linked to Nazi and Japan­ese gold in Indone­sia and the deriv­a­tive “Rev­o­lu­tion­ary Fund” of for­mer Indone­sian pres­i­dent Sukarno. Briefly high­light­ed at the end of FTR #845, the enig­mat­ic cast of this open-end­ed dra­ma fig­ure in the clan­des­tine Nazi under­ground in Indone­sia and the pow­er pol­i­tics sur­round­ing that pres­ence.

Dur­ing the Water­gate scan­dal, the phrase “fol­low the mon­ey” gained grav­i­tas. The next-to-last chap­ter of Peter’s book has that advi­so­ry as a title. Begin­ning the process of “fol­low­ing the mon­ey,” Peter sets forth the role of Ger­man cor­po­ra­tions and their Amer­i­can car­tel part­ners in the “Ger­man eco­nom­ic mir­a­cle.” The Nazi eco­nom­ic dias­po­ra pro­vid­ed much of the liq­uid­i­ty that sus­tained the “mir­a­cle.”

The foun­da­tion for the post­war activ­i­ties of what Mr. Emory calls The Under­ground Reich is mon­ey. It is the foun­da­tion for much of what Peter dis­cuss­es in this mag­nif­i­cent book. Illus­trat­ing the scale of the clan­des­tine Nazi mon­ey machine that effect­ed the Third Reich’s eco­nom­ic dias­po­ra, Peter high­lights a mon­u­men­tal gold ship­ment to Brazil, through the Bank for Inter­na­tion­al Set­tle­ments. This ship­ment would be worth more than 17 bil­lion US dol­lars today.

Pro­gram High­lights Include: 

  • Peter’s  dis­cus­sion of the mys­te­ri­ous Dr. Poch and his wife, two appar­ent Nazis who adopt­ed the cre­den­tials of a real doc­tor, in order to go under­ground.
  • A best­seller in Indone­sia alleges that Dr. Poch was actu­al­ly Hitler and that he mar­ried an Indone­sian woman after part­ing ways with Eva Braun.
  • In that con­text, Peter notes that the skull sup­pos­ed­ly belong­ing to Hitler was revealed to have been that of a woman unre­lat­ed to Hitler. The point, here, is that–whether or not the alle­ga­tion about Poch being Hitler is accurate–Hitler almost cer­tain­ly appears to have escaped.
  • One of the peo­ple behind the Poch/Hitler alle­ga­tion is a doc­tor Sos­ro Huso­do, enig­mat­ic in, and of, him­self.
  • Years after the 1965 over­throw of Sukarno by the CIA, fam­i­ly mem­ber and asso­ciates of Sukarno sur­faced claim­ing to have cer­tifi­cates valid for part of the enor­mous trea­sure sub­sumed under the Rev­o­lu­tion­ary Fund.
  • Instruc­tive as to the treat­ment gen­er­al­ly afford­ed those pre­sent­ing such cer­tifi­cates is the fate of Dr. Edi­son Damanik.
  • Exem­pli­fy­ing the mys­te­ri­ous and open-end­ed nature of the inquiry into Sukarno’s Rev­o­lu­tion­ary Fund and the Axis loot that appears to have com­prised much of it is the career of Indone­sian weapons deal­er Soeryo Goer­it­no, who suf­fered great mis­for­tune when he attempt­ed to probe the tan­gle of bri­ars sur­round­ing the clan­des­tine wealth in Indone­sia and the mys­te­ri­ous Dr. Poch.
  • Klaus Bar­bie and his “Fiancees of Death” cocaine mer­ce­nar­ies in Bolivia–their links to the ODESSA net­work, the Merex firm, and Oper­a­tion Con­dor.
  • More about Colo­nia Dig­nidad and its role in mon­ey laun­der­ing and con­nec­tions to many of the same ele­ments linked to “Team Bar­bie.”

1.  This ninth inter­view opens with Peter fur­ther devel­op­ing analy­sis of a mys­te­ri­ous cast of char­ac­ters linked to Nazi and Japan­ese gold in Indone­sia and the deriv­a­tive “Rev­o­lu­tion­ary Fund” of for­mer Indone­sian pres­i­dent Sukarno. Briefly high­light­ed at the end of FTR #845, the enig­mat­ic cast of this open-end­ed dra­ma fig­ure in the clan­des­tine Nazi under­ground in Indone­sia and the pow­er pol­i­tics sur­round­ing that pres­ence. Some of the points of infor­ma­tion:

Exem­pli­fy­ing the mys­te­ri­ous and open-end­ed nature of the inquiry into Sukarno’s Rev­o­lu­tion­ary Fund and the Axis loot that appears to have com­prised much of it is the career of Indone­sian weapons deal­er Soeryo Goer­it­no, who suf­fered great mis­for­tune when he attempt­ed to probe the tan­gle of bri­ars sur­round­ing the clan­des­tine wealth in Indone­sia and the mys­te­ri­ous Dr. Poch.

  • In that con­text, Peter notes that the skull sup­pos­ed­ly belong­ing to Hitler was revealed to have been that of a woman unre­lat­ed to Hitler. The point, here, is that–whether or not the alle­ga­tion about Poch being Hitler is accurate–Hitler almost cer­tain­ly appears to have escaped.
  • One of the peo­ple behind the Poch/Hitler alle­ga­tion is a doc­tor Sos­ro Huso­do, enig­mat­ic in, and of, him­self.
  • Years after the 1965 over­throw of Sukarno by the CIA, fam­i­ly mem­ber and asso­ciates of Sukarno sur­faced claim­ing to have cer­tifi­cates valid for part of the enor­mous trea­sure sub­sumed under the Rev­o­lu­tion­ary Fund.
  • Instruc­tive as to the treat­ment gen­er­al­ly afford­ed those pre­sent­ing such cer­tifi­cates is the fate of Dr. Edi­son Damanik.

2. Begin­ning the process of “fol­low­ing the mon­ey,” Peter sets forth the role of Ger­man cor­po­ra­tions and their Amer­i­can car­tel part­ners in the “Ger­man eco­nom­ic mir­a­cle.” The Nazi eco­nom­ic dias­po­ra pro­vid­ed much of the liq­uid­i­ty that sus­tained the “mir­a­cle.”

The Hitler Lega­cy by Peter Lev­en­da; IBIS Press [HC]; Copy­right 2014 by Peter Lev­en­da; ISBN 978–0‑89254–210‑9; p. 300.

. . . . By far the best source for fund­ing for the post-war Ger­man renais­sance came, of course, from Ger­man indus­try itself. Com­pa­nies such as Thyssen had diver­si­fied their hold­ings world­wide in the years before the Ger­man defeat and man­aged to safe­guard their assets with con­sid­er­able Amer­i­can assis­tance. It is dis­cour­ag­ing to learn that some of Amer­i­ca’s most influ­en­tial busi­ness­men and politi­cians  were deeply involved with this effort, and in help­ing pro­tect these assets from Allied attempts at secur­ing reparations–and in divest­ing Ger­man indus­try of any assets that could be used to devel­op a war capa­bil­i­ty in the future. On the con­trary, polit­i­cal and eco­nom­ic dynas­ties such as the Bush-Har­ri­man-Walk­er nexus saw to it that Amer­i­can com­pa­nies that were engaged in ques­tion­able, if not trea­so­nous activ­i­ties, dur­ing the war were pro­tect­ed and allowed to thrive. In order to do this, they also had to pro­tect the Ger­man cor­po­ra­tions which owned all, most, or a con­sid­er­able per­cent­age of the shares of the Amer­i­can com­pa­nies. Most Amer­i­cans are not aware that Stan­dard Oil began its life as a Ger­man com­pa­ny, and that its most impor­tant board mem­ber was also a mem­ber of the Fre­un­deskreis Himm­ler: Emil Hef­ferich. Or that the estimable Schroed­er Bank was actu­al­ly the bank owned and con­trolled by Baron Kurt von Schroed­er, of the same Fre­un­deskreis Himm­ler. The Union Bank­ing Cor­po­ra­tion (UBC) that was so cru­cial in mov­ing funds for the Reich, and whose assets were seized by the US Gov­ern­ment under the Trad­ing with the Ene­my Act, was actu­al­ly a cre­ation of the Amer­i­can firm Brown Broth­ers Har­ri­man as a strat­e­gy for hold­ing the shares of the Thyssen bank, Bank voor Han­del en Scheep­vaart, N.V. These were the cor­po­ra­tions (along with Hen­ry Ford, ITT, IBM, and so many oth­ers) that had backed Hitler from the ear­li­est days. Just as the Nazis did not aban­don their ideals with their mil­i­tary defeat, the Amer­i­can sup­port­ers did not aban­don the Nazis. . . .

3. Illus­trat­ing the scale of the clan­des­tine Nazi mon­ey machine that effect­ed the Third Reich’s eco­nom­ic dias­po­ra, Peter high­lights a mon­u­men­tal gold ship­ment to Brazil, through the Bank for Inter­na­tion­al Set­tle­ments. This ship­ment would be worth more than 17 bil­lion US dol­lars today.

The Hitler Lega­cy by Peter Lev­en­da; IBIS Press [HC]; Copy­right 2014 by Peter Lev­en­da; ISBN 978–0‑89254–210‑9; p. 298.

. . . . For instance, we learn that as late as March 1945 the Reichsbank–through the aus­pices of the Bank for Inter­na­tion­al Set­tle­ments (BIS) under its Amer­i­can pres­i­dent Thomas McKittrick–transferred the incred­i­ble amount of 500, 813.00 kilo­grams of fine gold for the account of the Bank of Brazil. Five hun­dred thou­sand kilos rep­re­sents 1,100,000 pounds of gold. Each pound con­sists of six­teen ounces, mak­ing 17,600,000,000.00 or an amount in excess of sev­en­teen bil­lion US dol­lars. Tan­ta­liz­ing­ly, that data was obtained from a declas­si­fied US gov­ern­ment file dat­ed May 15, 1945, in a box labeled “Vat­i­can City (Cor­re­spon­dence File).” One can only imag­ine what the rela­tion­ship was between this gold trans­fer to the Bank of Brazil and Vat­i­can City. . . .

4.  Set­ting forth some oper­a­tions gen­er­at­ing clan­des­tine funds, Peter details:

  • Klaus Bar­bie and his “Fiancees of Death” cocaine mer­ce­nar­ies in Bolivia–their links to the ODESSA net­work, the Merex firm, and Oper­a­tion Con­dor.
  • More about Colo­nia Dig­nidad and its role in mon­ey laun­der­ing and con­nec­tions to many of the same ele­ments linked to “Team Bar­bie.”

 

Discussion

4 comments for “FTR #846 Interview (#9) with Peter Levenda about “The Hitler Legacy””

  1. Oscar Holder­er, the last known mem­ber of Oper­a­tion Paper­clip, has died: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32620119

    Posted by Jinni | May 6, 2015, 10:16 pm
  2. A note on Hel­la Pöch — if one looks care­ful­ly at the title page of her 1957 arti­cle (her only one post-war and strange­ly based on old research from Africa rather than any­thing from Indone­sia, one sees that she, or who­ev­er was using her name, nonethe­less was mak­ing no effort to hide her where­abouts at that time: “z.Z (i.e. ‘at present’)Sumbawa besar, Indone­sien”. Hid­ing in plain sight?

    Posted by Jinni | May 8, 2015, 2:47 am
  3. Posted by Jinni | May 8, 2015, 2:48 am
  4. One of the many inter­est­ing open ques­tions about the South Amer­i­can activ­i­ties of the post-war Nazi dias­po­ra is what role it may have played/still played in the South Amer­i­can drug trade. Espe­cial­ly giv­en the his­to­ry of Klaus Bar­bie and the Boli­vian “cocaine coup”.

    Relat­ed to that, Paul Krug­man has a post with some rather dark humor relat­ed to Wall Street that also just might apply to the Under­ground Reich...at least the South Amer­i­ca com­po­nent: Just how coked up are the peo­ple run­ning the world?:

    The New York Times
    The Con­science of a Lib­er­al
    Sex and Drugs and Zero Rates

    Paul Krug­man
    May 29 6:52 am

    Bloomberg has a clever chart, show­ing just how many traders have nev­er seen an econ­o­my not at the zero low­er bound:
    [see chart]
    This cries out, of course, for a call­back to my favorite blog com­ment ever, on Kevin O’Rourke’s What Do Mar­kets Want? Saith the com­menter,

    The mar­kets want mon­ey for cocaine and pros­ti­tutes. I am dead­ly seri­ous.

    Most peo­ple don’t real­ize that “the mar­kets” are in real­i­ty 22–27 year old busi­ness school grad­u­ates, furi­ous­ly con­coct­ing chaot­ic trad­ing strate­gies on excel sheets and report­ing to boss­es per­haps 5 years senior to them. In addi­tion, they gen­er­al­ly pos­sess the men­tal­i­ty and prob­a­bly intel­li­gence of junior cycle sec­ondary school stu­dents. With­out knowl­edge of these basic facts, noth­ing about the mar­kets makes any sense—and with knowl­edge, every­thing does.

    ...

    Is cocaine fuel­ing Wall Street? Seems very pos­si­ble.

    But con­sid­er­ing the prox­im­i­ty of the Nazi dias­po­ra to the heart of the cocaine trade, you real­ly have to won­der just how coked out South Amer­i­ca’s Nazis have been all these years? Some­thing like that sure would help a move­ment dead set on ris­ing again (metaphor­i­cal­ly speak­ing).

    That said, cocaine may not be the Under­ground Riech’s drug of choice. But regard­less of what they may have been snort­ing of not, the ques­tion of the poten­tial role played by the Nazi under­ground in South Amer­i­ca is one of those dif­fi­cult to answer ques­tions that’s prob­a­bly going to remain very rel­e­vant for many years to come.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | May 29, 2015, 12:01 pm

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