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Did the Ukrainian Military Shoot Down the Malaysian Airlines Plane?

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COMMENT: In the wake of the downing of a Malaysian Airlines plane over Ukraine, few are asking the necessary questions and the important contextual elements are all but absent. 

(We have covered the ascension of the OUN/B heirs in the Ukraine in a number of programs: FTR #’s 777778779780781782, 783784794800.)

In stories on successive days, Robert Parry has noted that a reliable intelligence informant maintains that U.S. surveillance satellite photos appear to show the missile being fired by a “Buk” missile battery being operated by [possibly drunk] Ukrainian military personnel.

Parry is also among the few to note the Swoboda affiliation of Andriy Parubiy, in charge of defense matters for Ukraine. U.S. policy is beholden unto an Underground Reich milieu centered on the heirs to the OUN/B.

We will be exploring a number of other points in the upcoming FTR #803 program about the ongoing horror show in Ukraine, including:

  • Just what in hell Ukrainian government air controllers and policy maker were doing allowing civilian air traffic through a war zone. The plane was traveling at 33,000 feet. Air traffic was being forbidden from 32,000 feet on down. The Malaysian plane was only 1,000 feet above the proscribed area.
  • President Putin’s plane flew through roughly the same area less than an hour before. American mainstream media have been contemptuous of Russian media speculation that the missile may have been intended for President Putin’s plane. In light of the statements of lethal intent against Putin by the OUN/B heirs now governing Ukraine, such a possibility is not to be taken so lightly, in our opinion.
  • Even if Ukrainian separatist rebels had the “Buk” missile system, proper use of the missile would mandate an independent radar vehicle that can identify the transponders that are peculiar to civilian airliners. There is no indication that such a vehicle was in the possession of the separatist forces.

“Airline Horrors Spur New Rush to Judgement” by Robert Parry; Consortium News; 7/19/2014.

. . . . Regarding the shoot-down of the Malaysian jetliner on Thursday, I’m told that some CIA analysts cite U.S. satellite reconnaissance photos suggesting that the anti-aircraft missile that brought down Flight 17 was fired by Ukrainian troops from a government battery, not by ethnic Russian rebels who have been resisting the regime in Kiev since elected President Viktor Yanukovych was overthrown on Feb. 22.

According to a source briefed on the tentative findings, the soldiers manning the battery appeared to be wearing Ukrainian uniforms and may have been drinking, since what looked like beer bottles were scattered around the site. But the source added that the information was still incomplete and the analysts did not rule out the possibility of rebel responsibility. . . .

 

Swoboda leader Oleh Tiahnybok salutes. Top-ranking Ukrainian defense official Andriy Parubiy was a founding member of the party.

“What Did U.S. Spy Satellites See in Ukraine?” by Robert Parry; Consortium News; 7/20/2019.

. . . . The dog-not-barking question on the catastrophe over Ukraine is: what did the U.S. surveillance satellite imagery show? It’s hard to believe that – with the attention that U.S. intelligence has concentrated on eastern Ukraine for the past half year that the alleged trucking of several large Buk anti-aircraft missile systems from Russia to Ukraine and then back to Russia didn’t show up somewhere.

Yes, there are limitations to what U.S. spy satellites can see. But the Buk missiles are about 16 feet long and they are usually mounted on trucks or tanks. Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 also went down during the afternoon, not at night, meaning the missile battery was not concealed by darkness.. . .

. . . . What I’ve been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.

The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms but the initial assessment was that the troops were Ukrainian soldiers. There also was the suggestion that the soldiers involved were undisciplined and possibly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site, the source said.

Instead of pressing for these kinds of details, the U.S. mainstream press has simply passed on the propaganda coming from the Ukrainian government and the U.S. State Department, including hyping the fact that the Buk system is “Russian-made,” a rather meaningless fact that gets endlessly repeated.

However, to use the “Russian-made” point to suggest that the Russians must have been involved in the shoot-down is misleading at best and clearly designed to influence ill-informed Americans. As the Post and other news outlets surely know, the Ukrainian military also operates Russian-made military systems, including Buk anti-aircraft batteries, so the manufacturing origin has no probative value here.

. . . . In recognition of the key role played by the neo-Nazis, who are ideological descendants of Ukrainian militias that collaborated with the Nazi SS in World War II, the new regime gave these far-right nationalists control of several ministries, including the office of national security which is under the command of longtime neo-Nazi activist Andriy Parubiy.[See Consortiumnews.com’s “Ukraine, Through the US Looking Glass.”]

It was this same Parubiy whom the Post writers turned to seeking more information condemning the eastern Ukrainian rebels and the Russians regarding the Malaysia Airlines catastrophe. Parubiy accused the rebels in the vicinity of the crash site of destroying evidence and conducting a cover-up, another theme that resonated through the MSM.

Without bothering to inform readers of Parubiy’s unsavory neo-Nazi background, the Post quoted him as a reliable witness declaring: “It will be hard to conduct a full investigation with some of the objects being taken away, but we will do our best.”

“With Jet Strike, War in Ukraine is Felt Globally” by Peter Baker; The New York Times; 7/19/2014.

. . . . Mr. Putin was also in the air above Eastern Europe that afternoon, as he was returning from a six-day tour of Latin America aboard his presidential Airbus, referred to as Aircraft No. 1 by the media. The Russian jet apparently passed near the doomed Malaysian plane, both flying in roughly the same airspace over Warsaw at 33,000 feet some 37 minutes apart, according to an Interfax report. He got on the telephone with Mr. Obama shortly after landing. . . . 

. . . . The coincidental proximity of Mr. Putin’s plane even led to conspiracy theories that whoever destroyed the Malaysia jet was actually trying to target the Russian president. Rossiya 24, the state-run cable network, played past clips of Ukrainian public figures saying they wished Mr. Putin dead and then interviewed supposed experts about how the two planes might have been confused.

Mr. Putin released a statement 40 minutes after midnight, blaming Ukraine. “Certainly,” he said, “the government over whose territory it occurred is responsible for this terrible tragedy.” . . . .

 

Discussion

3 comments for “Did the Ukrainian Military Shoot Down the Malaysian Airlines Plane?”

  1. Check out the video in the link below, it seems to indicate the involvement of a military aircraft.

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    http://www.pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2014/07/alert-777-shoot-down-video-shows-chaff.html

    Thursday, July 17, 2014
    ALERT! 777 Shoot Down Video Shows CHAFF Was Deployed, Points to Fighter Jet Involvement

    The video below is purported to be of the 777 shoot down in Ukraine. Note that @11 seconds into the video Chaff streamers are floating down on to the wreckage site. Chaff is dispensed from military aircraft to obscure an aircraft from RADAR and RADAR guided missiles. The presence of the Chaff indicates something is not right about the story being told.

    IF this is video of the 777 shoot down in Ukraine, it indicates that a military aircraft was involved in the shoot down. This could be anything from a fighter actually shooting down the 777, to a fighter shadowing the 777 and having to launch Chaff to avoid a missile.

    What ever the case, the glittering streamers and specs in the video show that the official story being told is not correct.

    UPDATE:
    Based on video we’ve seen of bodies at the crash site, its clear that it was a lower speed crash as the bodies have limbs intact. This means that when MH17 went down there were some controllable lifting surfaces. The fact that there was a large fireball indicates fuel tanks were mostly intact before impact.

    Posted by Vanfield | July 23, 2014, 9:14 am
  2. Two Ukrainian jets were downed today and, based on the statements from both sides, it’s a reminder that the fog of war can cloud your mind in ways you may not see:

    The Los Angeles Times
    Ukraine believes missiles from Russia downed 2 military jets

    By Steven Zeitchik
    July 23, 2014, 2:06 PM

    Ukrainian officials said Wednesday that two military jets have been shot down in the eastern part of the country, and the missiles that downed them may have been launched from Russia.

    There was no immediate response from Russian officials. Russia’s state-run Itar-Tass news agency reported that the planes were shot down by a Ukrainian separatist militia.

    The pilots of the Su-25 fighter aircraft ejected from the planes, the Ukrainian government said, but their whereabouts are unknown. The incidents occurred near the Russian border, in a part of Ukraine where the government is waging a battle against pro-Russia separatists.

    However, at an afternoon security briefing, a Ukrainian defense spokesman said the military believes that the missiles that brought down the planes came not from separatists in Ukraine but from the Russian side of the border.

    “They were downed not by terrorists,” said Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for the National Security and Defense Council, using the government’s term for the separatists. “?According to our preliminary information it was done from across the border.”

    Lysenko cited the fact that the planes were flying? at an altitude of more than 15,000 feet as part of the evidence that the missiles that brought the aircraft down couldn’t have come from separatists.

    Asked whether this contradicted the government’s belief that separatists had access to just such a capability last week in bringing down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which was flying at twice that altitude, Lysenko said, “This is just based on preliminary data” and did not elaborate further, saying only that “an investigation is being arranged.”

    He said the military still did not know the whereabouts of the pilots.

    On Wednesday evening separatist leaders claimed responsibility for bringing down the two jets.

    Sergei Kavtaradze, an aide to Oleksandr Boroday, one of the self-proclaimed leaders of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, told CNN that separatists struck the planes. Separatist forces used shoulder-fired missiles to bring them down, Kavtaradze said.

    But the scenario in Kavtaradze’s account would not be possible, acording to the conditions described by the Ukrainian military. Lysenko said the planes were flying as high as 17,000 feet, much higher than a portable system can reach.

    The separatists’ claims on the fighter jets stand in sharp contrast to their position on the downed Malaysian airliner, in which they continue to deny any involvement.

    The pro-Russia paramilitary units have been firing at jets in eastern Ukraine’s airspace in recent months, bringing down two military transport planes in the days before the Malaysia Airlines disaster. But, if confirmed, the attack Wednesday would be the first strike in the area since the downing of the commercial jet.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | July 23, 2014, 1:48 pm
  3. With the downing of two Ukrainian military jets today, here’s an article from yesterday predicting that the downing of HM17 last week may not create a pause in the fighting and might actually intensify it:

    Bloomberg
    Rebel Stronghold Holds Breath as Shellfire Escalates in Donetsk
    By Aliaksandr Kudrytski Jul 22, 2014 7:00 PM CT

    The grass is being trimmed, the flowers tended and the potholes on roads filled. Jazz plays out from a café, and a few people are out enjoying the sunshine.

    Yet puncturing the scene of a European summer is the distant boom, boom, boom of artillery fire and emptiness.

    This is Donetsk, nicknamed the Ukrainian city of a million roses and now the headquarters of a pro-Russia group wanting to break up the country. With separatists blamed by the U.S. for shooting down a Malaysia Airlines plane last week and killing almost 300 people, the semblance of normality masks a foreboding among residents as to the fate of their city with Ukrainian forces fighting militants in the suburbs.

    “All this is idiocy,” said Olga, 25, keeping an eye on her toddler son Artyom in a city playground. Like most locals, she spoke Russian and declined to give her last name. “Each side is fighting for its own benefit, and these are common people that suffer unnecessarily.”

    The downing of flight MH17 60 kilometers (37 miles) from Donetsk brought the regional conflict back into the global spotlight with rebels at first hampering access to the crash site. Rather than prompting a pause in the fighting, it risks escalating while world leaders pressure Russian President Vladimir Putin to speed an investigation.

    About 40 percent of residents have already left Donetsk, Alexander Borodai, prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, or DPR, told reporters this week. Of those who remain, most who were asked yesterday said they were bracing for a siege after shellfire forced many into shelters.

    City Explodes

    Elena Anatolyevna, 52, who sells the traditional soft drink “kvas” outside Donetsk’s main railway station, was among those ushered to safety by the DPR when a shell landed, she said.

    “The main thing is that the region has had enough of being ruled by the same oligarchs from Kiev,” she said at her cart. “It has been seething for a while, and now it exploded.”

    Donetsk had a population of about 1 million before Ukraine started disintegrating. While its downtown area is full of tree-line boulevards, cafes and stores, the city is an industrial hub in the Donbas region bordering Russia, the center of the country’s coal mining and steel industry.

    It’s the domain of Ukraine’s richest businessman, Rinat Akhmetov. DTEK, the largest private energy co. in Ukraine, owned by Akhmetov, was forced to shut down its office in Donetsk this month because of the tension in the city.

    And here’s an article about a trend that will almost surely intensify the fighting: foreign neo-Nazis are still heading to Ukraine:

    16 July 2014 Last updated at 08:43 ET

    Ukraine conflict: ‘White power’ warrior from Sweden
    By Dina Newman BBC News

    The appearance of far-right activists, both foreign and home-grown, among the Ukrainian volunteers fighting in east Ukraine is causing unease.

    Mikael Skillt is a Swedish sniper, with seven years’ experience in the Swedish Army and the Swedish National Guard. He is currently fighting with the Azov Battalion, a pro-Ukrainian volunteer armed group in eastern Ukraine. He is known to be dangerous to the rebels: reportedly there is a bounty of nearly $7,000 (£4,090; 5,150 euros) on his head.

    In a telephone conversation from an undisclosed location, Mr Skillt told me more about his duties: “I have at least three purposes in the Azov Battalion: I am a commander of a small reconnaissance unit, I am also a sniper, and sometimes I work as a special coordinator for clearing houses and going into civilian areas.”

    As to his political views, Mr Skillt prefers to call himself a nationalist, but in fact his views are typical of a neo-Nazi.k/b

    “It’s all about how you see it,” he says. “I would be an idiot if I said I did not want to see survival of white people. After World War Two, the victors wrote their history. They decided that it’s always a bad thing to say I am white and I am proud.”

    ‘One stray liberal’

    Mr Skillt believes races should not mix. He says the Jews are not white and should not mix with white people. His next project is to go fight for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad because he believes Mr Assad is standing up to “international Zionism”.

    Not all of Mr Skillt’s views are widely shared in the Azov Battalion, which is about 300-strong in total.

    He says his comrades do not discuss politics much, though some of them may be “national socialists” and may wear swastikas. On the other hand, “there is even one liberal, though I don’t know how he got there”, he adds, with a smile in his voice.

    Mr Skillt says there is only a handful of foreign fighters in the Azov Battalion and they do not get paid. “They see it as a good thing, to come and fight,” he explains. However, Mr Skillt is expecting more foreigners to join soon: he says there is now a recruiter who is looking for “serious fighters” from outside Ukraine.

    The key figures in the Azov Battalion are its commander, Andriy Biletsky, and his deputy, Ihor Mosiychuk.

    Andriy Biletsky is also the leader of a Ukrainian organisation called the Social National Assembly. Its aims are stated in one of their online publications:

    * “to prepare Ukraine for further expansion and to struggle for the liberation of the entire White Race from the domination of the internationalist speculative capital”

    * “to punish severely sexual perversions and any interracial contacts that lead to the extinction of the white man”

    This, according to experts, is a typical neo-Nazi narrative.

    ‘Foreign journalists’

    The Azov Battalion was formed and armed by Ukraine’s interior ministry. A ministerial adviser, Anton Gerashchenko, got angry when I asked him if the battalion had any neo-Nazi links through the Social National Assembly.

    “The Social National Assembly is not a neo-Nazi organisation,” he said.

    “It is a party of Ukrainian patriots who are giving their lives while the rich Europeans are only talking about supporting Ukraine. When, may I ask, will English people come here and help us fight terrorists sent by Russia’s President [Vladimir] Putin, instead of lecturing us on our moral values or people’s political affiliations?”

    Mr Gerashchenko was adamant, however, that there were no foreign citizens fighting in the Azov Battalion.

    “There are foreign journalists, from Sweden, Spain and Italy, who have come to report on the heroic achievements of the fighters in their struggle against terrorism,” he said.

    He insisted he had never heard of Mikael Skillt, the Swedish sniper.

    So the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion was formed and armed by the interior ministry, and the battalion leader is also the leader of the “Social National Assembly” which, we are informed from the ministry, is totally not a neo-Nazi group, even though it proclaims that it’s fight to “liberate the White Race” and wants to severely punish interracial contacts. And, of course, the ministry assured us that there are no foreign fighters nor any neo-Nazis anywhere to be seen.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | July 23, 2014, 5:44 pm

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