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Is Attorney General Eric Holder a Ringer for Karl Rove?

COMMENT: In a For The Record series pro­duced between Obama’s elec­tion and his inau­gu­ra­tion, we noted that Obama’s Chicago polit­i­cal milieu was inex­tri­ca­bly linked with the  Karl Rove/Bank Al-Taqwa/Talat Oth­man con­cate­na­tion that was the focal point  of the Oper­a­tion  Green Quest investigation.

(Green Quest was the inves­ti­ga­tion of ter­ror­ist fund­ing, and cul­mi­nated in the 3/20/2002 raids that exposed Oth­man, Grover Norquist, Karl Rove and their pro­found involve­ment with the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood milieu involved with fund­ing Hamas and Al Qaeda.)

In that dis­cus­sion, we won­dered if Obama was being “badjacketed”–set up for dis­cred­it­ing if he did not coop­er­ate with the pow­ers that be. We revis­ited that analy­sis dur­ing our series on the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood Spring in 2011. Obama might eas­ily have had a ter­ror­ist alba­tross hung around his neck because of his con­nec­tions to the Rove/Green Quest milieu.

One won­ders if his coop­er­a­tion with the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood Spring oper­a­tion (begun under the George W. Bush admin­is­tra­tion) might have been man­dated by the poten­tial dirty laun­dry to be washed should Obama’s Chicago/Rove/Al-Taqwa con­nec­tions have come to light.

The inci­sive Legal Schnau­zer blogspot informs us that Attor­ney Gen­eral Eric Holder’s for­mer law firm is deeply con­nected to Karl Rove and that they actively blocked the release of Rove’s e-mails to inves­ti­ga­tors seek­ing access to them. That access might very well have shed light on the scan­dal sur­round­ing the fir­ing of U.S. attor­neys and the nakedly polit­i­cal pros­e­cu­tion of for­mer Alabama gov­er­nor Don Siegelman.

Given Karl Rove’s pen­chant for “bad­jack­et­ting,” one must won­der to what extent Holder was selected pre­cisely because of his vul­ner­a­bil­ity in this regard, and to what extent the Rove/Othman/Chicago links to Obama may have fig­ured in Holder’s selection.

Many have puz­zled over the Obama administration’s fail­ure to pros­e­cute the crim­i­nal estab­lish­ment that the Bush admin­is­tra­tion embod­ied. By the same token there have been no effec­tive pros­e­cu­tions of the hye­nas of Wall Street for their will­ful sub­ver­sion of the U.S. and global economies. The pos­si­bil­ity that Rove and com­pany may have Eric Holder (and, per­haps, Barack Obama) by the short hairs is one to be considered.

The Holder/Covington & Burling­ton con­nec­tion might also explain aspects of the blood­let­ting in Alabama. If the GOP mur­der­ers who have dis­patched Major Bushin­sky and oth­ers had a “man on the inside” in this scheme, it would cer­tainly facil­i­tate the tar­get­ing and cover-up of the victims.

And, yes, the term “GOP mur­der­ers” is redundant.

“Holder’s Law Firm Brags about Its GOP Ties”; Legal Schnau­zer; 8/18/2009.

EXCERPT: We recently learned that Attor­ney Gen­eral Eric Holder’s old law firm has alarm­ingly close ties to the Repub­li­can National Com­mit­tee (RNC) and key fig­ures from the George W. Bush administration.

Now we learn that the firm, Cov­ing­ton & Burl­ing, actu­ally brags on its Web site about its role in help­ing pro­tect Karl Rove’s e-mails that were stored on RNC servers.

Alabama attor­ney and Siegelman-case whistle­blower Jill Simp­son helped break the ini­tial report about Holder’s old firm. And Dou­glas Yates, an alert Legal Schnau­zer reader from Fair­banks, Alaska, has added to it by reveal­ing that Cov­ing­ton & Burl­ing actu­ally brags about its hand­i­work on behalf of the RNC–and Karl Rove.

Yates spot­ted this gem on the C & B Web site:

“We rep­re­sented the Repub­li­can National Com­mit­tee in con­nec­tion with inves­ti­ga­tions by the House Judi­ciary Com­mit­tee and House Over­sight and Gov­ern­ment Reform Com­mit­tees regard­ing US attor­ney fir­ings and the host­ing of e-mail accounts for White House officials.”

Simp­son says Holder’s con­flicts of inter­est could not be more clear. And they cover both the U.S. attor­ney fir­ings and polit­i­cal pros­e­cu­tions, such as the Don Siegel­man and Paul Minor cases:

“It seems Cov­ing­ton denied the RNC e-mails to the House Judi­ciary Com­mit­tee on the fir­ing of the nine U.S. attor­neys and the polit­i­cal pros­e­cu­tions. What that means is that Holder’s very firm denied the e-mails in the Don Siegel­man case, and the Paul Minor case. In fact they have been the ones nego­ti­at­ing with Con­gress, and I don’t believe they have ever turned over the RNC e-mails at Chat­tanooga. So there you have it–Holder’s firm pro­tected Karl Rove from turn­ing over the e-mails on the nine U.S. attor­neys and the Siegel­man and Minor mat­ters, all while Holder was at that firm.”


24 comments for “Is Attorney General Eric Holder a Ringer for Karl Rove?”

  1. For­give­ness requested in advance for a self-indulgent rant:

    Holder, it was noted by many prior to his con­fir­ma­tion as Attor­ney Gen­eral, was known to be com­pro­mised vis-à-vis his role in cov­er­ing up the wrong­ful death of Ken­neth Trentadue, a mistaken-identity looka­like who died in police cus­tody in the events sur­round­ing the Okla­homa City bomb­ing and inves­ti­ga­tion. The case is well-known & can be found on Wikipedia, among other sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Michael_Trentadue

    Kenneth’s brother Jesse was an attor­ney who received bizarre, decep­tive & obstruc­tive treat­ment from Holder’s office. Jesse Trentadue’s records in his 17-year pur­suit of jus­tice can be found in pdf-file for­mat also on the Inter­net, along with numer­ous inter­views from var­i­ous web­site sources.

    Pres­i­dent Obama’s pat­tern of choices for his cab­i­net — begin­ning with Rahm Emanuel (who was nearly fired three times dur­ing the Clin­ton Admin­is­tra­tion for var­i­ous out­landish behav­iors not to be recounted here), Larry Sum­mers, and Tim Gei­th­ner — were all quite compromised.

    Tim­o­thy Gei­th­ner is an intrigu­ing exam­ple. Not only was Gei­th­ner in a very dubi­ous posi­tion as con­nected to AIG (http://tinyurl.com/7wppjmo
    ) & pre­vi­ous head of the Fed­eral Reserve of New York in the months that hatched the egg of the sin­is­ter 2008 man­u­fac­tured eco­nomic cri­sis. Gei­th­ner, in fact, was the son of Peter Gei­th­ner, head of the Ford Foun­da­tion in Indone­sia dur­ing the time that Obama’s mother Stan­ley Ann Dun­ham worked with the Ford Foundation:

    It’s a small world after all.

    “Ringer” is, of course, the box­ing ter­mi­nol­ogy used to describe a pugilist who is paid to throw a fight.

    One might sus­pect Barack Obama him­self of liv­ing up to this terminology.

    John Cony­ers (D-MI), the vet­eran black Con­gress­man who was the first to cham­pion Obama’s can­di­dacy, was taken aback in 2011 when Obama offered Social Secu­rity to the Repub­li­cans for cuts, unso­licited — with­out any demand or request by the Repub­li­cans that he give them this Holy Grail that Repub­li­cans have sought since 1935.

    “The Repub­li­cans did not call for Social Secu­rity cuts in the bud­get — the Pres­i­dent of the United States called for that,” said Cony­ers, threat­en­ing to orga­nize protests in front of the White House for this fun­da­men­tal betrayal of the Demo­c­ra­tic Party:


    One could cre­ate a pow­er­ful list of betray­als by Pres­i­dent Obama — and such is the stuff of ordi­nary politics.

    But there are extra­or­di­nary gifts to the Cheney­ists on Obama’s list, includ­ing the assas­si­na­tion with­out trial of U.S. cit­i­zens, and the pas­sage of the NDAA’s elim­i­na­tion of Habeas Cor­pus, that will become police state norms with no legit­i­mate claim to oppo­si­tion in the wake of the Obama presidency.

    “Is it too soon to speak of the Bush-Obama pres­i­dency?” asks David Bromwich at Huff­in­g­ton Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/symptoms-of-the-bushobama_b_930260.html

    Far-right-wing ex-NSA & CIA chief Gen­eral Michael Hay­den has said “There is more con­ti­nu­ity than diver­gence between the Bush & Obama presidencies.”

    Valerie Plame’s hus­band, Ambas­sador Joe Wil­son, warned against Obama dur­ing the Demo­c­ra­tic pri­mary cam­paign of 2008 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/the-real-hillary-i-know-a_b_77878.html). Plame-Wilson asso­ciate, ex-CIA Larry John­son also raised ques­tions about Obama.

    But it seems these ques­tions were drowned out by Birtherism, a per­fect smoke­screen for deter­ring deep back­ground inves­ti­ga­tion into Obama’s biog­ra­phy. Rove him­self couldn’t have crafted a bet­ter fire­wall, if in fact he were a part of Obama’s mete­oric rise, or had Obama “by the shorthairs”.

    One won­ders about Poppy Bush’s mul­ti­ple “unsched­uled vis­its” to Obama at the White House.



    One won­ders about Obama’s first post-college job, unnamed by Obama as a “con­sult­ing house to multi­na­tional cor­po­ra­tions” (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html?pagewanted=all) that Aus­tralian writer John Pil­ger iden­ti­fies as CIA-connected Busi­ness Inter­na­tional, a firm that infil­trated & destroyed labor & “Left­ist” groups from within.

    There are obvi­ous “traps” yet to be sprung and blamed on Obama, from the dan­ger­ously cancer-ridden econ­omy — poised for a sec­ond, much-larger col­lapse — to the New Deal-destroying ratio­nale that is likely to be used by the Supreme Court to strike down the prob­lem­atic “man­date” of the Afford­able Care Act, which will have precedent-setting ram­i­fi­ca­tions that could bring down Medicare and even Social Security.

    “It would be kind of a tragedy if we got to the end of four years of Demo­c­ra­tic rule with­out hav­ing really tried any Demo­c­ra­tic poli­cies,” says come­dian Bill Maher.

    One won­ders about the “achieve­ments” of the Obama pres­i­dency, and whether they are all only super­fi­cial & “cul­ture war” achieve­ments — while the real con­se­quences, from cod­i­fy­ing Bush/Cheney’s rad­i­cal depar­tures into nor­mal­ized pol­icy (CIA pris­ons, Guan­tanamo, etc.) to new tools for future Cheney­ists (NDAA, assas­si­na­tions of cit­i­zens with­out due process), to the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood Spring oper­a­tion, were the real goal all along.

    Posted by R. Wilson | April 17, 2012, 8:24 pm
  2. @ Robert Wilson–

    Yeah, that’s a rant all right. I’ll respond with one of my own, albeit shorter and more to the point.

    None of what has hap­pened, except for the attack on Social Secu­rity by BO has sur­prised me.

    Obama is Bill Clin­ton in black face–no god­damn com­pli­ment com­ing from me.

    That hav­ing been said, Obama–whose funky-ass polit­i­cal con­nec­tions to the Rove/Othman/Green Quest milieu were noted by Yours Truly before he took office–is fac­ing just what Bubba Bill faced.

    Enor­mous iner­tia for one thing, a hos­tile media estab­lish­ment, a hos­tile mil­i­tary, a hos­tile court sys­tem and a self-righteous pub­lic so butt-fuck igno­rant that they couldn’t effec­tively dis­tin­guish between a dirt road and a chicken with lips, and so abysmally self­ish that they would do almost any­thing to pre­serve their puerile con­sumer cul­ture to the last.

    As inad­e­quate as Clin­ton was, he still had the “high, hard ones” under his chin to keep him off the plate.

    So has Obama. It was you, I believe, Mr. Wil­son who pointed out the death of Ash­ley Tur­ton to us, same week­end as Rep. Gif­fords was gunned down and just before the GOP-dominated House was to take office.

    Obama was cer­tainly com­pro­mised out of the gate, and MAY have been com­mis­sioned to deep-six the New Deal, or per­haps he is just com­pro­mised, and get­ting threats to the lives of his wife and chil­dren as well as his own. In the series on the “Mus­lim Broth­er­hood Spring” I referred to Obama as “Lee Har­vey Obama” and did so for a reason.

    It was def­i­nitely you who pointed out the mem­bers of 1st Marines Recon pos­ing with a Waf­fen SS ban­ner. They were, some of them any­way, snipers. Marine Recon are the spe­cial forces of the USMC and they are SERIOUS fuck­ing customers.

    Do you REALLY think Obama hasn’t got­ten the message?

    Plus, again, the dom­i­nant con­sid­er­a­tion is iner­tia. Obama inher­ited a fun­da­men­tally cor­rupt soci­ety, two wars, a depres­sion and a pub­lic WHO DO NOT DESERVE THE CONSTITUTION OR THE BILL OF RIGHTS IN MY CONSIDERED PROFESSIONAL OPINION.

    The only thing those brain-dead producer/consumers care about is “Amer­i­can Idol/Survivor/Dancing with the Stars” or the lat­est Inter­net pic­ture of some star­let flash­ing her boobs.

    I could go on about some of the strate­gic retreats I’ve had to make over the years, when ACTIVE Nazis and white suprema­cists showed up at sta­tions at which I worked, pro­mot­ing African/American slav­ery as a virtue.

    The only per­son to object pub­licly, I even­tu­ally had to accept some of this shit or quit the sta­tion and cease to reach the peo­ple I reached.

    No one is ever sep­a­rate from the insti­tu­tions that move our society.

    That goes for Obama, me, you and every­one else.

    As for killing Amer­i­can cit­i­zens with­out due process–Boo, Hoo, Hoo!

    Man, that tears me the fuck up, it really does—NOT!!

    The con­sti­tu­tion ceased to have any mean­ing what­so­ever on 11/22/1963.

    As New Orleans DA Jim Gar­ri­son, one of the real heroes of this soci­ety, noted–if the Pres­i­dent of the United States is not safe, no one is.

    And no one gives a shit about the Kennedy assas­si­na­tion or those of MLK or Kennedy’s brother or God knows how many other people.

    Check out FTR #‘s 606, 682 about AIDS, as well as the anno­tated AFA programs.

    Those pro­grams present a very com­pelling argu­ment that AIDS was delib­er­ately cre­ated by ele­ments of our national secu­rity estab­lish­ment, build­ing on boiler plate research done by the Third Reich.

    4 out of every 5 deaths in Rwanda these days are peo­ple dying of AIDS.

    (In a Mr. Rogers-Stylie) “Can you say ‘geno­cide,’ boys and girls?”

    Do you think peo­ple give a fuck? No, they don’t. I was damn near killed back in 1986 because of my work on AIDS. Only dumb luck has me still draw­ing breath.

    From a per­sonal per­spec­tive, no one should be shocked at what is going on.

    It is only too predictable.

    Hell, just exam­ine what I had to say in May of 1980, accessed at the upper right hand cor­ner of the front page of the website.

    For all of the pro­found reser­va­tions I have about Obama, I’m going to hold my nose and vote for him again.

    Mitt Rom­ney is the Bor­mann can­di­date. A very knowl­edge­able, well-placed source informed me that one of Romney’s close aides com­mit­ted sui­cide not too long ago, cit­ing in the sui­cide note his stunned dis­may at learn­ing that his boss was a Nazi.

    As a soci­ety, we are risen from the seeds we have sown.

    In clos­ing I will note two things: first your rel­a­tive silence/passivity in recent months, which I lament and, beyond that, the numer­ous arti­cles you cited from the “Huff­in­g­ton Post.”

    This is not to say that the arti­cles are wrong, per se, but rather that this bas­tion of pro­gres­sive jour­nal­ism comes from none other than Ari­anna Huffington!!!

    Has it occurred to you Sir Wil­son, that maybe, just maybe, “Huff­in­g­ton Post” is to con­tem­po­rary lib­eral jour­nal­ism as Barack Obama/Eric Holder are to con­tem­po­rary pro­gres­sive politics.

    Ari­anna Huff­in­g­ton??!! I wouldn’t piss on that front-running Nazi bitch if her stink­ing God­damn whore-ass were on fire!

    Now THAT is a rant!


    Dave Emory

    Posted by Dave Emory | April 17, 2012, 9:18 pm
  3. @ R. Wil­son and Dave: Wow! Now that’s a con­ver­sa­tion, guys! You know, I barely meet any­one with whom I can have this kind of exchange. Every­one in my envi­ron­ment is so dumb, asleep, deaf, blind, or just too ego­cen­tric to take the time to lis­ten to what oth­ers have to say with­out inter­rupt­ing mid-sentence. It is as if they all think that what they have to say is so impor­tant, pre­cious, etc. I wish I could have a beer with you guys! What a change it would bring! Some­times I feel that I have more plea­sure talk­ing to myself than with any of the peo­ple I meet regularly.

    More related on the topic on this arti­cle, I would say that, of course, as Dave says, the present is the direct result of the past. If the roots are made with ele­ments of com­mu­nism, fas­cism, nazism, Islamism, as so forth, the end result won’t be a demo­c­ra­tic soci­ety in the spirit of the Enlight­ment. It will be some­thing like Brave New World or 1984, or worse. We already live in a world like that in fact, but peo­ple are too stu­pid to real­ize it.

    Wel­come back, R. Wil­son. We are so few who CAN actu­ally think by our­selves, I think we are bet­ter stick­ing with one another.


    Posted by Claude | April 17, 2012, 9:57 pm
  4. @Dave: One other thing. Talk­ing about get­ting the mes­sage from the mil­i­tary, check this arti­cle. Appar­ently, the U.S. Mil­i­tary con­ducted a “train­ing exer­cice” in Obama’s cher­ished city of Chicago:


    Well, if he didn’t get it the first time, now he and all his friends in that mar­velous city will. I think we will see more and more things like that.

    Posted by Claude | April 17, 2012, 11:04 pm
  5. @ Claude–

    I wouldn’t nec­es­sar­ily see that as a mes­sage to Obama. Chicago, L.A., N.Y., S.F. and other major cities have report­edly been poten­tial tar­gets of WMD ter­ror incidents.

    While that MIGHT be a mes­sage, the planes allowed to buzz Camp David or the White House, the top-secret plans for Pres­i­den­tial Secu­rity found in the gut­ter in an Aus­tralian city and other inci­dents are much more to the point, in my opinion.

    The com­pro­mis­ing of Obama’s Secret Ser­vice detail while in Latin Amer­ica is worth not­ing as well.

    THAT could prove more than a lit­tle inter­est­ing down the line.


    Dave Emory

    Posted by Dave Emory | April 17, 2012, 11:24 pm
  6. @Dave
    I’m inter­ested to know the source of your ani­mos­ity for Mrs. Huffington—other than pro­duc­ing insipid boiler plate “pro­gres­sive” reportage.

    By the way, I don’t believe you. I think you would piss on Ari­anna Huff­in­g­ton if she was on fire.

    Take care.

    Also, @Claude
    I feel as you do, the void of com­mu­nity regard­ing these top­ics stud­ied and inter­nal­ized on spit­firelist is some­times hard to take. I’m try­ing in my town of Port­land, OR to start a spit­firelist meet-up group that addresses this need. Look for it on Criagslist. Unfor­tu­nately, there aren’t to many of us.

    Posted by GrumpusRex | April 18, 2012, 6:24 am
  7. @G-Rex, Robert Wilson

    Ari­anna Huff­in­g­ton was a hard-core GOP Clin­ton basher in the 1990’s, mar­ried to GOP Rep­re­sen­ta­tive Michael Huffington.

    M. Huff­in­g­ton got his start in pol­i­tics as an intern in the office of Rep. George H.W. Bush.

    He was appointed to a Pen­ta­gon post by Rea­gan in the 1980’s and might be best known for ship­ping tor­ture equip­ment to the Indone­sian gov­ern­ment, this under the aus­pices of his activ­i­ties as an energy mogul. (His father founded HUFFCO–an energy com­pany for which lil’ Mikey worked.)

    Even­tu­ally, lil’ Mikey’s polit­i­cal career unrav­eled to an extent, when it came out that he was gay.

    Shortly after­ward, Ari­anna under­went a Damascus-road con­ver­sion, became a so-called “pro­gres­sive” and rounded up mil­lions of dol­lars to launch “Huff­in­g­ton Post.”

    Just like that, she goes from far right to mid­dle left–if one takes her at face value, which I don’t. In addi­tion, she has “instant grav­i­tas” with the so-called pro­gres­sive community.

    BTW–in a pre­vi­ous incar­na­tion, Ari­anna Stassinopo­los (as she was called) was a purple-haired devo­tee of a New Age mind-control cult headed up by one “John Roger.”

    Far out.


    Dave Emory

    Posted by Dave Emory | April 18, 2012, 9:45 am
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  9. @Claude: I find myself in a sim­i­lar conun­drum. I grew up in the D/FW area in Texas. Most of these poor folks, sadly, are about as asleep as they can be. There may be some hope for the Austin area, though, as there’s a lot more lib­er­als there com­pared to most other places in the state, and the left­ies are usu­ally more will­ing to wake up than those on the right(some right-leaning mod­er­ates are awake, too, I suspect).

    Posted by Steven L. | April 18, 2012, 2:32 pm
  10. @Dave: To con­tinue in the line of what you were say­ing about Mrs Huff­in­g­ton, we have to bear in mind that she cre­ated a plat­form to allow writ­ers and jour­nal­ists to blog with­out finan­cial ret­ri­bu­tion. The offi­cial idea was to fur­nish such a plat­form in order to make not-so-famous writ­ers and jour­nal­ists a space to get in the spot­light. And then they worked for free for many years.

    But...suddenly, she sold that plat­form to AOL, and pock­eted, along with asso­ciates and investors, some 315 mil­lion dol­lars. Ques­tion: Have any of the con­trib­u­tors seen any of that money? No. She swal­lowed the whole thing. The unpaid blog­gers filed a law­suit, as you know, and lost.

    Me too I am skep­ti­cal about this sud­den change of heart of hers. I have never seen in my entire life some­one con­ser­v­a­tive becom­ing pro­gres­sive later in life. As peo­ple get older, they tend to become more care­ful, pru­dent and con­ser­v­a­tive, not the other way around.

    But I guess it is the new “nor­mal” now: nice peo­ple from the elite start projects, they make lit­tle men and women work for free or for peanuts...cash in the mil­lions and then leave them in their mis­ery. The whole adven­ture is not that surprising.

    Posted by Claude | April 18, 2012, 10:46 pm
  11. Killing Amer­i­can cit­i­zens with­out due process is cer­tainly some­thing the CIA (and assorted agen­cies) have been doing all along.

    But cod­i­fy­ing that into law or open pol­icy is another matter.

    Let’s ask our­selves why it was nec­es­sary to make a pub­lic show of killing Awlaki (and his 16-year-old son in a sep­a­rate strike), instead of the old-fashioned pri­vate cloak-and-dagger “Stuxnet” we-don’t-know-who-did-it method, which is equally as ille­gal, but does not set an open prece­dent that will be handed-down to the next right-wing pres­i­dent as a new tool to be wielded with­out obstruction.

    America’s fas­cists would love noth­ing more than to estab­lish Colombia-style domes­tic right-wing Death Squads, to domes­ti­cally assas­si­nate U.S. cit­i­zens legally, on the whim of an offi­cial declar­ing “you’re a ter­ror­ist” with no due process.

    I hate to be in the ludi­crous posi­tion of defend­ing covert assas­si­na­tions, but keep­ing it covert does at least inhibit carte blanche mass-killings & mass-graves, such as Colombia’s. Hid­ing it implies shame, and pays back­wards lip-service respect & fear to the pri­macy of law.

    I’m well-aware of the sig­nif­i­cance of 11/22/63, and how the Con­sti­tu­tion is ren­dered mean­ing­less when a coup is com­mit­ted that incor­po­rates such wide­spread com­plic­ity that none dare call it treason.

    How­ever, let’sl recall that Mar­tin Luther King, Jr. and Robert Kennedy did not take the posi­tion that “after 11/22/63, the Con­sti­tu­tion is point­less”. Would RFK have embraced “realpoli­tik” and assas­si­nated his domes­tic ene­mies too, because the Con­sti­tu­tion no longer really mat­tered? Was RFK “com­plicit” if we know from many sources his pri­vate beliefs that “domes­tic ene­mies” were the real assas­sins of his brother, but he kept quiet under LBJ?

    Aside from that, I agree with most every­thing Dave wrote.

    Dave con­tin­ues: “In clos­ing I will note two things: first your rel­a­tive silence/passivity in recent months, which I lament and, beyond that, the numer­ous arti­cles you cited from the “Huff­in­g­ton Post.”

    I’m a daily vis­i­tor to this site, but my con­tri­bu­tions have dropped due to increased work­load & var­i­ous home issues, as I’ve noted before. And my “beat” is being well-covered by Pter­rafractyl. Almost every arti­cle I would’ve sub­mit­ted has been already better-covered by Mr. Pt, and hat’s off.

    Huff­in­g­ton Post, is of course a sus­pect web­site source, but I am per­haps under the mis­taken impres­sion that the Emory research com­mu­nity here does due dili­gence on sort­ing out the poi­son from the pearls on each respec­tive sourced site, whether it’s cit­ing Wikipedia or Lit­tle Green Footballs.

    But point taken.

    Posted by R. Wilson | April 18, 2012, 11:07 pm
  12. And P.S.: I don’t think we’ll have to worry about vot­ing for Obama. As I’ve writ­ten, there’s an Elec­tion of 1824 sce­nario being set-up. I don’t take Rove’s or Cheney’s or the Bush Crime Family’s pub­lic endorse­ments at face value. They’re keep­ing fin­ger­prints off Palin-as-cat’s paw. There are too many “rogue can­di­dates” for any­one to get the 270 elec­toral votes. And there’s an engi­neered GOP schism set­ting up the House of Reps “split vote”. Clinton/Clark will be cho­sen by default, despite being 3rd place behind Palin/Rand Paul, and Romney/Ryan. WIld­cards like oil spec­u­la­tion, Euro with­drawal & Euro­pean defaults are still ready for engi­neer­ing. And Obama’s “heart attack” won’t be evi­dence that he wasn’t Team Bush, any more than the Secret Ser­vice Colom­bia “scan­dal” should be taken at face value either and not as polit­i­cal theatre.

    Back to Karl Rove’s Holder: I think it’s instruc­tive which appointees get a smooth approval by the Sen­ate & which don’t. Holder’s con­fir­ma­tion was strange pre­cisely because it went too eas­ily. Repub­li­cans aren’t known for restraint when there’s any oppor­tu­nity to grand­stand & obstruct.

    Like­wise, but for dif­fer­ent rea­sons, Hillary Clin­ton went from being “Hitlery” and “witch” and “the vast right-wing con­spir­acy girl” to Cheney’s dar­ling. Ari Fleis­cher defended her last week regard­ing Colom­bia. No polit­i­cal hay is made of her “Bosn­ian sniper fire” story, or other cam­paign gaffes. Isn’t it strange how the Repub­li­cans are not mak­ing a peep about “Hitlery”? That’s unchar­ac­ter­is­tic of the fas­cists. They have plans for her. Con­trast Holder & HRC with Eliz­a­beth War­ren for a good com­pass on where the plot goes from here.

    Posted by R. Wilson | April 18, 2012, 11:14 pm
  13. @Robert Wil­son–

    Rant #2:

    We’ll see. I feel it’s going to be Obama and Rom­ney. What I’m look­ing to see is if Jeb Boy is the VP can­di­date, or whether they’ll keep him on the back burner for a few more years.

    You may be right about bro­kered conventions/1824 sce­nar­ios but I’ll have to see it to believe it.

    Just watch the polls, show­ing BO and Mit­tens neck and neck. Obama, for all his faults, dif­fers from GOP on all kinds of things from gas mileage require­ments on cars, energy pol­icy, fed­eral court appoint­ments, extend­ing the Bush tax cuts, health care and all kinds of other things.

    “Cay­man Islands accounts” Rom­ney, who is as reac­tionary as they come shouldn’t be within hail­ing dis­tance. He’s no “mod­er­ate”, any more than the clit-cutters of the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood are “moderate.”

    I watch the media, who are over­whelm­ingly pro-Romney. His eco­nomic poli­cies will be utterly dis­as­trous if imple­mented, and they will be if a GOP leg­is­la­ture enters office with him.

    No way should this even be close after what the GOP did to the econ­omy. But the media sup­port Rom­ney and do not sup­port Obama. The slant to the cov­er­age of this cam­paign is stunning.

    Check out the Ryan bud­get. BO is quite cor­rect in label­ing it social Dar­win­ism. Rom­ney char­ac­ter­ized it as “marvelous.”

    Our God­for­saken media establishment–decked out in hot­pants, hal­ter tops, fish­net stock­ings, plat­form shoes and push-up bras, snap­ping their chew­ing gum as they accost pass­ing motorists for a fee–are out­do­ing themselves.

    Oh, yes, speak­ing of whores, Hillary is his­tory, BTW–already hav­ing said she won’t con­tinue as Sec­re­tary at Foggy Bottom.

    What I’m torn about is whether the corporations–who clearly want Rom­ney despite the bones Obama’s tossed to them–want Rom­ney now, or would like to see a failed Obama sec­ond term.

    An Obama pres­i­dency in a sec­ond term, that might well be impaled on a Mid­dle East firestorm stem­ming from the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood Spring and a new Wall Street “too big to fail cri­sis” clear­ing the way for a gen­er­a­tion of GOP rule, as Norquist & Rove have predicted.

    If you think things are bad now, just wait. They are going to get unimag­in­ably worse.

    The bot­tom line: fas­cism was not an aber­ra­tion but a phi­los­o­phy embraced by a deci­sive num­ber of the world’s most pow­er­ful finan­cial insti­tu­tions, indi­vid­u­als and allied polit­i­cal interests.

    The Cor­po­rate State, as Mus­solini put it, is tri­umphant. Fas­cism won the Sec­ond World War and the world will be knee deep in blood before long.

    As far as the death squads, they exist now and have for a long time. Thou­sands of Amer­i­cans have fallen before them and many oth­ers will.

    You dis­cussed Robert Kennedy and Mar­tin Luther King in a hypo­thet­i­cal con­text. I dis­cussed them in a non-hypothetical context–they were offed, just like JFK and by the same inter­ests. How many peo­ple have called for an inves­ti­ga­tion of their deaths?

    And do you REALLY think the Amer­i­can peo­ple care? I’ve been on the air for more than thirty years–for a quar­ter of a cen­tury in NY, LA and the Sil­i­con Val­ley simul­ta­ne­ously– dis­cussing those killings and many other things. Do you think the cit­i­zens of this coun­try care? They DO NOT CARE!!!

    And I feel no pity for them what­so­ever. None. Adlai Steven­son noted that “In a democ­racy, peo­ple usu­ally get the kind of gov­ern­ment they deserve.” The U.S. was a democ­racy at one time. It isn’t any more.

    The Amer­i­can peo­ple are get­ting the kind of gov­ern­ment they deserve.

    Your dis­tinc­tion between “overt” and “covert” death squads is purely aca­d­e­mic and with­out merit. The Pow­ers That Be can oper­ate quite openly and with impunity, when­ever they see fit to do so.

    A con­gres­sional select com­mit­tee found that there were con­spir­a­cies under­ly­ing the deaths of JFK and MLK and rec­om­mended the DOJ under­take an inves­ti­ga­tion of David Fer­rie and the anti-Castro Cubans in New Orleans. That’s who Gar­ri­son was after. No one blinked here in the “Land of the Free [Lunch]”

    In addi­tion, tech­nol­ogy changes a great deal, vis a vis the method­ol­ogy of slaugh­ter. Check out FTR #‘s 682, 606. There is a gene that pro­vides immu­nity to infec­tion by HIV. Only pure-bred North­ern Euro­peans have it–Aryans. Do you REALLY think that is a God­damn coincidence?

    Peo­ple of African extrac­tion have a pro­nounced genetic sus­cep­ti­bil­ity to HIV. Do you REALLY think that is a coincidence?

    Hell’s Bells, they’re doing it now, and no one cares. Do you think Ari­anna & com­pany will dare talk about it? Do you think Amy No-Damn-Goodman or any of the other front-running Nazi morons at Paci­fica Radio will talk about it? Don’t hold your breath.

    Most impor­tantly, the the­o­ret­i­cal prin­ci­pals of Von Clause­witz are front and cen­ter in this dis­cus­sion. Just as he noted that “War is the con­tin­u­a­tion of pol­i­tics by other means,” so, too “Pol­i­tics is the con­tin­u­a­tion of war by other means.”

    You do not need death camps, death squads, gas cham­bers, cre­ma­to­ria or the like to exter­mi­nate mil­lions. The peo­ple slated for death in this coun­try will be done to death by deny­ing them proper nutri­tion, med­ical care, shel­ter, edu­ca­tion, envi­ron­men­tal pro­tec­tion, work­place safety, employ­ment. The death toll will stretch WELL into the tens of millions.

    THAT is the real sig­nif­i­cance of the Ryan bud­get and the Romney/Underground Reich/GOP “aus­ter­ity” agenda. The con­tin­u­a­tion of war by other means. “Death instead of Taxes.” “Give me Lib­erty, Give them Death!”

    And, BTW, I sup­port the killing of Awlaki. He was involved in 9/11 and con­tin­ued to moti­vate ter­ror­ists to kill Amer­i­cans. Amer­i­can cit­i­zen or no, he was a son-of-a bitch and deserved what he got. Same with his mis­er­able lit­tle son, who was fol­low­ing in Daddy’s foot­steps. The impli­ca­tions of that for domes­tic pol­icy are non-existent, for rea­sons I’ve already cited.

    Mur­der­ing a Pres­i­dent because one dif­fers with his poli­cies is one thing. Mur­der­ing an incen­di­ary cleric who pro­vided sup­port to the 9/11 hijack­ers is some­thing very dif­fer­ent and falls clearly within the purview of war­fare, NOT jurisprudence.

    Every­one who has ever served in the Amer­i­can armed forces has taken an oath to defend the United States of Amer­ica and its con­sti­tu­tion against all ene­mies “for­eign AND domestic.”

    Due process has no rel­e­vance what­so­ever in this con­text. None.

    How much “due process” did this U.S. citizen’s col­leagues afford their vic­tims in World Trade Cen­ter, Pen­ta­gon and the hijacked planes?

    Now, if Obama would just use Preda­tor drones and Hell­fire mis­siles to dis­patch Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, Talat Oth­man, Yaqub Mirza, Youssef Nada, Rush Lim­baugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Han­nity, Ted Nugent, Ari­anna Huff­in­g­ton, Amy No-Damn-Goodman (denier of con­spir­a­to­r­ial process behind killings of JFK, RFK, MLK et al; cham­pion of Sami al-Arian, the inves­ti­ga­tion of whom led to the Oper­a­tion Green Quest raids of 3/20/2002; ben­e­fi­ciary of the finan­cial largess of George Soros), George Soros, Sami al-Arian, Julian Assange, Chip Berlet, Ger­ald Pos­ner, Louis Far­rakhan, Jesse Jack­son (“I have a scheme!”), Alexan­der Cock­burn (denier of con­spir­a­to­r­ial process behind death of JFK), Noam Chom­sky (denier of con­spir­a­to­r­ial process behind death of JFK), the Bush fam­ily, the Rom­ney fam­ily, the Kar­dashian fam­ily, Snooki, John Boehner, Peter Thiel, Patri Fried­man, David Ray Grif­fin, the Truthers, the Birthers, the folks who pro­duce Amer­i­can Idol, Don­ald Trump and a whole lot of other peo­ple, maybe we’d get some place!


    Dave Emory

    Posted by Dave Emory | April 19, 2012, 12:04 am
  14. @R. Wil­son: TBH, I have agreed with a good part of what you’ve writ­ten but at this time, I have seen noth­ing to sug­gest that this elec­tion could even come close to the mad­ness of 1824’s......with that said, though, the GOP split does seem to be widen­ing, and, quite frankly, if any­thing at all, it’s despite the Establishment’s best efforts to keep their favorite party together.

    @Dave: I don’t think Hillary’ll be run­ning either. That said, though, Obama’s Pres­i­dency could per­haps run into more trouble....however, though, all of what I’ve seen so far doesn’t seem to indi­cate that the Arab Spring(I guess you could call it the ‘Mus­lim Broth­er­hood’ Spring now, though, that they’ve pretty much co-opted the movement.)is going to be a major fac­tor, and that the econ­omy con­tin­ues to improve some­what. With that said, though, there is a pos­si­bil­ity that things could indeed start to change.

    And, about the elec­tion? Despite the Establishment’s favor­ing the Repub can­di­date, most of the evi­dence I’ve seen seems to be telling me that a LOT of peo­ple are begin­ning to bail on the GOP; they’re either likely to stay home or they may just choose a third-party candidate(i.e. Ron Paul), kinda like what hap­pened in ’92 when Ross Perot basi­cally fatally under­mined Quayle’s cam­paign. The thing is, Obama’s already taken the lead by a good mar­gin at this point in the game. If a guy like Ron Paul ends up run­ning, this could back­fire on the Estab­lish­ment peo­ple even more; I don’t know how many of you guys know this but the major­ity of pro­gres­sives woke up to RP’s bull­shit quite a while ago.....although it is indeed true that some peo­ple remain hood­winked, there just aren’t a lot of things going in his favor at the moment, so it’s always pos­si­ble he’ll remain on the side­lines, per­haps as one of Mittens’s cheerleaders.

    Posted by Steven L. | April 19, 2012, 12:41 am
  15. @Dave: These two rants are like mis­siles of truth. How­ever, I feel that you are really angry. It’s under­stad­able after 30 years of fight against a sys­tem that has man­aged to put every­one asleep. I don’t know what to say to you to cheer you up. For myself, there are days when I am com­pletely dis­gusted by humans. I don’t under­stand why they do the things they do. It’s so easy to build a bet­ter world, all you have to do is to fol­low the teach­ings of Jesus, Con­fu­cius, Socrates, Her­mann Hesse and sim­i­lar thinkers.

    Frank Gaffney, a decent con­ser­v­a­tive, with the Cen­ter for Secu­rity Pol­icy has been doing some great work lately on Secure Free­dom Radio. Maybe you could appear on his show, or vice versa, and start build­ing new col­lab­o­ra­tions and con­tri­bu­tions. Peo­ple who want to do good on this planet must join forces against the enemy. That’s the only way.

    Take care brother.

    Posted by Claude | April 20, 2012, 10:58 am
  16. @Claude–

    Yeah, I’m angry. Upon exam­i­na­tion, R. Wilson’s post was, on the bal­ance, a closet right-wing polemic. It may not have been intended as such, but it serves the inter­ests of Romney/Bush/Hitler.

    Con­vince enough folks there’s no dif­fer­ence between Obama/Romney and you accom­plish what the Naderoids accom­plished in 2000.

    In addi­tion to the quotes from the closet right-wing “Huff­in­g­ton Post,” the tes­ti­mony comes from the likes of Joe Wil­son (who worked with Abdu­rah­man Alamadoudi’s brother, wife of Valerie Plame, now obsessed with find­ing out more about her Ukrain­ian [OUN/B?] heritage.)

    When the dust set­tled, the whole Plame/Wilson affair ended up as an attempt at hang­ing the Iraq inva­sion on Israel/the Jews. It’s a long story, but that’s the way it played out.

    For all the short­com­ings of Obama, one need only look at the dif­fer­ence between Obama’s Supreme Court appointees and and the Scalia/Alito BundesSchutzen.

    The fed court appoint­ments are the most impor­tant thing any Pres­i­dent does.

    And weep­ing over Awlaki is sim­ply sick. One of the rea­sons that the right-wing’s screech­ing rhetoric has JUST ENOUGH res­o­nance to work is that the so-called pro­gres­sive sec­tor gives them all the ammo to shoot accurately.

    Amer­i­can cit­i­zen or no, Awlaki was a par­tic­i­pant in 9/11, fled the coun­try right after­ward, went to Yemen and con­tin­ued to agi­tate for asym­met­ri­cal war­fare against the U.S.

    To a con­sid­er­able extent, the so-called pro­gres­sive sec­tor IS pro-terrorist.

    As I noted, every­one who has ever served in the U.S. armed forces has taken an oath pledg­ing to defend this coun­try and its con­sti­tu­tion against all ene­mies “for­eign AND domestic.”

    That oath has never been impugned or ruled unconstitutional.

    My real anger, how­ever, is at myself.

    I’d allowed myself to place too much faith in R. Wil­son, who’s done some good work in the past.

    I’m pissed at myself for not being more rig­or­ously vig­i­lant against closet-Nazi B.S. Not to say Wilson’s closet-Nazi, but that screed he unloaded sure as hell is. I should have just trashed the comment.



    Posted by Dave Emory | April 20, 2012, 4:42 pm
  17. @ Steven–

    George H.W. Bush was run­ning for Pres­i­dent in 1992. Quayle was the VP can­di­date. Ross Perot is ONI. That elec­tion was a man­i­fes­ta­tion of the long-standing con­flict between CIA and ONI.

    You don’t pay much atten­tion to the posts I put up here, do you sonny boy?

    Ron Paul will take votes away from Obama, more so than Rom­ney (his close polit­i­cal ally), due to the sort of appar­ently com­pul­sive stu­pid­ity on the part of the so-called pro­gres­sive sec­tor that’s been all too much in evi­dence on this web­site of late.



    Posted by Dave Emory | April 20, 2012, 4:48 pm
  18. @Dave: I did pay atten­tion, Dave. I just hap­pen to find myself dis­agree­ing with a few things con­cern­ing this elec­tion, that’s all.
    Ron Paul’s a slick lit­tle bas­tard, yes, but I’m still not con­vinced he’ll make too big of a dent this year, not yet.
    (How­ever, though, I must admit it’s only April, and there is always a pos­si­bil­ity that things could very well hap­pen as you described, so I’ll keep my eyes open.)

    That said, though, I must be hon­est and admit that I haven’t looked at your older mate­r­ial in a long time. Per­haps it’s time to visit the archives again, eh? =)

    And, quite frankly, I’m not too happy with the fact that the pro­gres­sive sec­tor has had some apol­o­gists for ter­ror­ism, either, nor that some of these same peo­ple con­tinue to be too ter­ri­bly dense to under­stand that RP is a slick oper­a­tor who’s only pan­der­ing for votes like every other ReCon(yes, pun intended), and that he’s been in bed with fas­cists for many years now.

    @Claude: And, btw, you may wish to look at my com­ment on that Hun­gar­ian labor pro­gram article....Gaffney isn’t such a good guy(you can check Wikipedia if you’d like, that arti­cle has decent sources).

    Frankly, I’d rather stick to John Lof­tus because he seems to be a far more gen­uine per­son and wasn’t involved in that bloody dis­as­ter called PNAC, unlike GAFFEney(yes, pun intended.).

    Posted by Steven L. | April 20, 2012, 6:16 pm
  19. And, frankly, Dave, I agree with you on Al-Awlaki as well. The bas­tard had it com­ing for a long while now, for all the things he did, and con­vinced other peo­ple to do.

    BTW, Dave, I have a ques­tion about a cer­tain Demo­c­rat: what is your opin­ion of Eliz­a­beth War­ren, the Mass. Sen­a­to­r­ial candidate?

    Posted by Steven L. | April 20, 2012, 6:39 pm
  20. @Dave Emory,

    I found your com­ment that “A very knowl­edge­able, well-placed source informed me that one of Romney’s close aides com­mit­ted sui­cide not too long ago, cit­ing in the sui­cide note his stunned dis­may at learn­ing that his boss was a Nazi.” to be very inter­est­ing and poten­tially rev­e­la­tory if fac­tual. May I ask, would you be will­ing to divulge or dis­close the name of this Rom­ney aide that com­mit­ted sui­cide? I don’t think divulging their name would in any way endan­ger or expose your source. I’d be inter­ested to know and I’m sur­prised no one else drew atten­tion to these com­ments of yours, per­haps the most earth shattering.

    Posted by Josh | April 28, 2012, 10:50 pm
  21. @Josh

    Unfor­tu­nately I can’t do that. Part of the pro­fes­sional posi­tion that the indi­vid­ual is in is a for­mal, signed agree­ment that they can­not “pub­lish.” That means dis­clos­ing some­thing under their own name publicly.

    Any­one famil­iar with my method­ol­ogy over the years knows that annotation/sourcing is fun­da­men­tal to what I do.

    If I could give the attri­bu­tion, I would. I revealed that state­ment because I con­sider it to be of para­mount importance.

    Suf­fice it to say, you can put it in the bank.

    Check out the links between Ron Paul, whose Nazi con­nec­tions are a mat­ter of pub­lic record and Mitt. (The “All Roads Lead to Romney.”

    Thanks for your interest,


    Posted by Dave Emory | April 28, 2012, 11:26 pm
  22. @Dave: I can’t hon­estly blame you for keep­ing the secret, as it were: That person’s life could be placed in very seri­ous jeop­ardy if their iden­tity was to be dis­closed..... so I def­i­nitely see where you’re com­ing from, and I would have made the same deci­sion myself.

    That said, I do hope that we can con­tinue to keep expos­ing more and more dirt on ol’ Ron­nie as time goes on. This site will con­tinue to be one of my top sources for such. =)

    Posted by Steven L. | April 29, 2012, 4:35 am
  23. I wasn’t ask­ing for the iden­tity of the source. I was ask­ing for the iden­tity of the per­son who com­mit­ted sui­cide, which reveals noth­ing about the source. I’m won­der­ing the name of the Rom­ney aide, not the name of the source for the story.

    Posted by Josh | April 29, 2012, 1:21 pm
  24. @Josh–

    Don’t know if that will be pos­si­ble. I’ll see, but don’t count on it.

    The sit­u­a­tion is as fol­lows: the dis­clo­sure was in a sui­cide note penned by a long time friend and polit­i­cal sup­porter of Romney’s.

    The per­son took their own life when they dis­cov­ered that Rom­ney was, lit­er­ally, a Nazi.

    Although very con­ser­v­a­tive, the deceased was not a Nazi and was shocked to see an ele­ment of the Third Reich alive, breath­ing, thriv­ing in 2010.

    They were not able to stand the cog­ni­tive dis­so­nance and, not being young, could not endure the knowl­edge that they had helped fur­ther a cause to which they were opposed and which they had long thought to have disappeared.

    Mak­ing a spe­cific dis­clo­sure might be expos­ing peo­ple to retribution.

    I’ll see, but don’t count on it.

    I also think it isn’t THAT impor­tant, past a point.

    On the sub­ject of the GOP and Nazis:

    I played a small role in break­ing the orig­i­nal Von Bolschwing story back in 1981. (The Heinz Hohne mate­r­ial came from Yours Truly).

    It is a mat­ter of record that the GOP incor­po­rated Third Reich alumni as part of their eth­nic out­reach wing.

    The head of Pres­i­den­tial Liai­son (as dis­cussed in FTR #529) under Rea­gan was Yka­te­rina Chu­machenko, head of the OUN/B!

    The Bush fam­ily has a Third Reich his­tory dat­ing back to the early 1920’s.

    On the Bush/Nazi links–FTR#‘s 273, 361, 370, 435.

    Poppy was very close to the Gehlen/ABN milieu.

    Again, check out “Cit­i­zen Ron Paul”, a truly foul crea­ture whose Nazi sympathies/affiliations are on the record.

    Paul and Rom­ney are joined at the hip, as I pointed out in the post about “All roads lead to Romney”.

    So it really should come as no sur­prise that the “ver­MIT­Tler” (Ger­man word for “agent”) should be a Nazi.

    In con­clu­sion, NEVER for­get the pro­found, inex­tri­ca­ble link between fascism/Nazism and transna­tional cor­po­rate dealings.

    The intro­duc­tion to the “Books for Down­load” sec­tion con­tains a good macro-economic syn­op­sis of this dynamic.

    And NEVER over­look the warn­ing I sounded in 1980 in “Uncle Sam and the Swastika”, excerpted on the front page of this website.

    Mitt’s Nazi fin­ger­prints shouldn’t surprise.



    Posted by Dave Emory | April 29, 2012, 2:27 pm

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