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“Thrive”: Counter-Culture Fascism in Cinema

Thrive: "Oh wow! An international Jewish banking conspiracy runs the world. Far out!"

COMMENT: The advance of fascism features a burgeoning array of media and organizational phenomena that direct people of more “progressive”–even “hip” orientation in the direction of bigotry and right-wing totalitarianism.

In particular, anti-Semitism–denying that it is anti-Semitic–has become something of the “flavor de jeur” for much of the so-called progressive sector. The clouding of minds with mysticism has accelerated this trend, particularly among the young.

A recent issue of the San Jose Metro–a free weekly paper in the Southern Bay Area–featured an incisive analysis by Eric Johnson. This important article dissected the fundamentals of a popular cult film entitled Thrive.

The brainchild of Proctor & Gamble fortune heir Foster Gamble, the film fuses New Age mysticism and cult “free-energy” mythology with Old Age anti-Semitic ideology pinning the world’s troubles on the Rothschilds and Jewish control of the financial industry. (Gamble himself holds forth on various subjects in the film itself.)

In addition to Gamble himself, “Thrive” presents the fascist ideology of G. Edward Griffin, a prominent John Birch Society theoretician. (The origins of the John Birch Society are detailed in AFA #11.) In addition to his doctrinaire racism, demonizing the likes of Martin Luther King, Griffin tags the Federal Reserve System as a manifestation of the “Zionist” financial cabal.

The most outlandish of the fascisti whose “thinking” is featured in the film is David Icke. A former soccer player, Icke has reinvented himself as a political guru, disseminating the view that the world’s power structure is controlled by “reptilian shape-shifters” who pose as humans, eat young children and, somehow, are part and parcel to the international financial conspiracy advanced by Griffin, Gamble and company.

Another of the old-line fascists whose ideology is contained in the film is Eustace Mullins, although his influence is upon Gamble’s theoretical outlook, rather than in “Thrive” itself. An unabashed admirer of Adolf Hitler, Mullins is among the seminal fascist ideologues to tab the Fed as an outcropping of the “international Jewish banking conspiracy.”

Not surprisingly Icke,  Mullins and Griffin have been extolled by the so-called “Truthers.” Both have also been featured on the program of former Fox pundit Glenn Beck.

In addition to the New Age mysticism, the film’s cache among “progressives” is strengthened by the inclusion of the likes of Deepak Chopra, Amy Goodman and environmentalist (and Baskin & Robbins heir) John Robbins.

This, in combination with the dumbing-down of America, has fueled the popularity of “Thrive.”
Not surprisingly, the film has garnered a considerable following among the “Occupy” movement, according to author Johnson.

“Thrive” appears to be among the most successful manifestations to date of counter-culture fascism, adding something of a bohemian flavor to the old adage that anti-Semitism is “the socialism of fools.”

(Author Peter Levenda, among others, has chronicled the overlap of alternative religions such as Satanism with fascist and Nazi elements in his book Unholy Alliance. The alternative religious connection/New Age phenomenon is central to the success of works like “Thrive.”)

“The Dangers Behind the Cult Film ‘Thrive’ ” by Eric Johnson; The San Jose Metro; 5/16/2012.

EXCERPT: Thrive, a two-hour documentary that has gone viral since its release on the web in November, sells itself as an optimistic vision of a utopian future marked by “free energy,” freedom from oppression and spiritual awakening. But on its way to depicting a dream-world utopia, Thrive delivers a dark and dishonest version of the real world and espouses a blend of paranoid conspiracy theories and right-libertarian propaganda.

The Santa Cruz couple who made the film, Foster and Kimberly Carter Gamble, build their tale around an undeniably poetic idea: that there is a secret pattern to be found in nature, and that we can learn from it. . . .

. . . In the film’s second section, Gamble sets out to show exactly how and why the government and its sponsors are duping us. This section probably accounts for its burgeoning online popularity with the Occupy movement and its supporters. (For the record, I count myself among that audience segment.)

Bringing in progressive heroes such as Vandana Shiva and Paul Hawken to recount the more or less well-known crimes against humanity perpetrated by the likes of Monsanto and Exxon-Mobil, Thrive makes the familiar, and justifiable, case that huge corporations have too much power, are largely corrupt and pose a threat to society.

But then, once again, the filmmakers jump the tracks of rationality. This is where the film should go political, but instead it plays the conspiracy card. And not just any conspiracy, but the granddaddy of them all: that a handful of families control the world and plan to enslave humanity.

In his soft voice, the gray-haired, blue-eyed Foster Gamble says, sadly: “As difficult as it was for me, I have come to an inescapable and profoundly disturbing conclusion. I believe that an elite group of people and the corporations they run have gained control over not just our energy, food supply, education and health care, but over virtually every aspect of our lives.

“When I followed the money, I found it going up the levels of a pyramid.” (As the torus symbol dominates Thrive’s first section, the pyramid dominates the second.) And at the top of this alleged pyramid of evil: the Rothschilds.

Not everyone watching this film will know that this argument has been around, and been discredited, for decades. Apparently, the desire to find someone to blame for all the world’s problems spans generations. And the Rothschilds make a pretty good target.

Are the Rothschilds very, very rich? Undoubtedly. Are the members of this family doing the work of Mother Teresa or the Dalai Lama? Mostly not. Are they all-powerful puppet-masters who secretly rule the world? Are they descended from a race of snake-people? Do they eat children? Um … no, no and no.

Are they Jewish? Well, yes. And it must be said: The argument made in Thrive precisely mirrors an argument that Joseph Goebbels made in his infamous Nazi propaganda film The Eternal Jew: that a handful of banking families, many of them Jewish, are running the world and seeking global domination.

Foster Gamble inoculates himself against charges of anti-Semitism, stating flatly: “This is not a Jewish agenda. Let me be clear.” But while he scrubs out the openly anti-Semitic aspects of the disgraceful idea, the rest of it haunts the film.

And, once again it must be said, when describing symbolism used by his imagined Dark Lords of the Universe, Gamble does not hesitate to note that the Sign appears on the building that houses the Israeli Supreme Court, which he erroneously claims “is funded entirely by the Rothschilds.”

To prove his economic theory, Gamble invites G. Edward Griffin, author of The Creature from Jeckyll Island, which recounts the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank, a historical moment which Griffin claims was orchestrated by the “global elite who want to control the world and create a New World Order.”

One of several veteran conspiracymongers who appear onscreen in Part Two of Thrive, Griffin is a longtime leading member of the ultra-right wing John Birch Society, a fact not mentioned in the film. For those who may have forgotten—the John Birchers practically invented the modern conspiracy theory.

Founded in 1958 to carry on the work of the anti-Communist crusader Sen. Joe McCarthy, the Society went on to battle the Communist conspiracy we now known as the Civil Rights movement, and its leader, whom many of them referred to as “Martin Lucifer King.”

Then the Birchers focused their energies on revealing the existence of a Satanic (literally) group they called the Illuminati—a cadre of powerful families that secretly rule the world.

While Griffin may be the most far-right pundit to appear in Thrive, he is not the most far-out. That would be David Icke, although it would be impossible to know that from the interviews that appear in Thrive.

Icke’s role in the film is to explain the economic theory behind a common banking practice known as fractional reserve lending. He does this in less than two minutes, with the help of South Park–style animations, as though explaining the theory of relativity to an attention-challenged second-grader. And of course, he makes the practice appear sinister.

For a more sympathetic portrayal of the practice, see George Bailey’s bank-run speech in It’s a Wonderful Life: “You’re thinking of this place all wrong, as if I had the money back in a safe. The money’s not here. Your money’s in Joe’s house, that’s right next to yours. And in the Kennedy house, and Mrs. Makelin’s house, and a hundred others. You’re lending them the money to build, and then they’re going to pay it back to you as best they can.” That’s fractional reserve lending.

Point of fact: Without fractional reserve lending, almost nobody reading these words would ever be able to own a house. You would need to raise not only a down payment but the entire value of a home in order to purchase it. (Or be born with a fortune, as was Foster Gamble, whose grandfather founded Procter and Gamble.)

At any rate, Icke’s brief explication carries the day for Gamble, who concludes that with this banking ploy, “We inevitably become debt-slaves to a ruling financial elite.”

Icke then goes on to explain, in a minute or two, how banks caused the current recession purposely, in a plot to get their hands on all of the nation’s real property—a devious plot that has been “going on for centuries.” Again, as with many conspiracy theories, there’s a pretty big grain of truth to that.

According to the film’s website, this is David Icke’s area of expertise: “Icke reveals that a common formula—’problem-reaction-solution’—is used by the elite to manipulate the masses and pursue alternative agendas.”

But a glance at Icke’s own website reveals that this is not his primary area of inquiry. Icke, it seems, is bringing the work of the John Birch Society into the New Age, furthering its study into the Illuminati. Like the Birchers, he swears he is not an anti-Semite, yet his site is rife with attacks against the “Rothschild-Zionists” who have, among other things, surrounded President Obama.

Icke’s innovation is that he tells the ancient conspiracy lie in the language of a self-help guru. “The Illuminati are not in my universe, unless I allow them in,” he says. “And then, I give them power. They’re frightened, frightened entities.”

It’s telling that Icke uses the word “entities,” because Icke believes the Illuminati, the people running the world, are not people at all. David Icke, the man championed in Thrive for his insight to economics, spends most of his intellectual energies showing that the world’s leaders, from Queen Elizabeth to Bill and Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama, are not human, but are members of “bloodlines” descended from an interplanetary cadre of evil, godlike human/snake hybrids he calls “Reptilians.” . . .

. . . He [environmentalist John Robbins] says that in private correspondence, he learned that his friend [Foster Gamble] was being influenced by the ideas of Eustace Mullins, whom he calls “the most anti-Semitic public figure in U.S. history.”

Foster Gamble did not respond to an email request for an interview, but there is certainly evidence in Thrive that Mullins’ views influenced him. One of the central features of the film is the supposed revelation that the Federal Reserve Bank is a criminal enterprise; Mullins is the man who gave birth to that theory, in his 1952 book, The Secret of the Federal Reserve.

The following year, Mullins published his most notorious tract, “Adolf Hitler: An Appreciation,” which praises the fuhrer for his crusade against the “Jewish International bankers” who were attempting to take over the world. In subsequent books, Mullins argued that the Holocaust never happened and that the Jewish race is inherently “parasitic.” Incredibly, Mullins also insisted until his death that he was not an anti-Semite. . . .

. . . . Most of the solutions Thrive puts forward will resonate with its target audience of spiritually inclined progressives: stay informed, shop local, eat organic, avoid GMOs, etc. But not all. Given the troubling complexities of part two, I was only slightly surprised to find that one of the values of the future Thrive depicts is “little or no taxes.”

No taxes. Sounds good—but does that mean no public libraries? No state parks? No public transportation? How about roads? Social Security? Haven’t the Gambles seen what this kind of anti-tax rhetoric has gotten us? Doubled tuitions at the University of California, huge Reagan-era-style cuts in social services, decaying infrastructure.

Near the film’s conclusion, Gamble reveals the source of his anti-tax position, reverently introducing a man he credits with providing him with his Core Navigational Insight for the future: Ludwig von Mises. He does not mention that von Mises is the touchstone of right-libertarians, so-called anarcho-capitalists and radical Republicans such as Michele Bachmann, who quipped last year that she reads von Mises on the beach.

Gamble does lay out the core of von Mises’ philosophy of “non-violation, in which “nobody gets to violate you or” (ahem) “your property.” That philosophy translates into three rules: no involuntary taxation; no involuntary governance; and no monopoly of force.

In case anyone misses the point—that the state must wither so that man can be free—Gamble shares von Mises’ opinion that like Communism, fascism and socialism, “democracy wrongly assumes the rights of the collective, or the group, over the rights of the individual.”. . . . .

Discussion

19 comments for ““Thrive”: Counter-Culture Fascism in Cinema”

  1. Hi Dave, I’m a longtime fan and am pleased that you liked my piece. Here are links to the entire piece, as well as a followup about the ten progressives who are featured in the film and have since denounced it.

    http://www.santacruz.com/news/2012/03/13/the_right_libertarian_agenda_at_the_heart_of_thrive

    http://www.santacruz.com/news/2012/04/10/author_john_robbins_other_progressives_denounce_thrive/CP4/

    Posted by Eric Johnson | May 27, 2012, 10:37 am
  2. Dave,

    So glad you’ve taken THRIVE to task!

    I would like to introduce you to the Thrive Debunked blog which has been laboring in the Internet wilderness in opposition to what Foster Gamble & Co. have been purveying with their film.

    http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/

    Also, glad to see your reference to Peter Levenda who has written that the THRIVE Movement sounds a lot like the Wandervoegel Movement in Weimar Germany a century ago.

    Posted by Hollywood Tomfortas | May 27, 2012, 11:47 am
  3. Thank you Emory for covering the movie, Thrive. I was hoping someone would point more light on this horrible misguided trojan horse of a movement, as it seems to be gathering momentum. Johnson’s article, “Author John Robins, Other Progressives Denounce Thrive,” April 10 2012 In the Santa Cruz Weekly, brings more news of the apparent abandonment of the film by up to 10 of the participants, so far. A few named, John Robbins, Edgar Mitchell, John Perkins, Deepak Chopra, Amy Goodman, Paul Hawkins ….Wow not that many left except Foster Gamblers and his roots and mentors; Eustace Mullins, G Edward Griffin and the lizard madness carrier, David Icke. What a bunch of wicked bed fellows.

    Posted by ella seneres | May 27, 2012, 12:53 pm
  4. Dave,

    In the photo above, Foster Gamble is on the left and the white-haired guy on the right is Adam Trombly, the so-called “free energy inventor and expert” for the THRIVE movie. I believe that you will be very interested in the story of Adam’s father, a WW II bombardier named Harvey Trombly who took part in the CIA mind control experiments at Ft. Dietrich in that fateful year 1952 when Andrei Puharich up in Maine at the Round Table Foundation supervised the channeling of “The Nine” through the Hindu Dr. Vinod.

    I will now excerpt an e-mail conversation I had recently with Peter Levenda about these mysterious synchronicities (zemblanities!***) that illustrate the sinister forces lurking in the deep grimoire of American political witchcraft.

    ———————-

    TOMFORTAS TO PETER L: According to the report of Adam Trombly, his father Harvey did consume LSD and was warned of such by Mr. Olsen. And then the rest of the story seems to explain Adam’s penchant for something akin to Muenchhausen’s Syndrome, as he himself claims to have had and beaten cancer many times, and he claims to have been poisoned — I guess he so identifies with his father that he sees himself a victim of dark forces out to kill him, and of course Foster Gamble is a sucker for stories about people in the energy field being persecuted by sinster dark gov’ment forces, so he puts Adam front & center in THRIVE.

    Here is the link to Adam Trombly’s interview about his father.
    http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/trombly.htm

    ADAM TROMBLY: When my father had just gotten his Ph.D. in biochemistry from Purdue University — I was a young child — he was enlisted as a biochemist, by a fellow Purdue alumnus named Frank Olsen, into a U.S. Air Force/CIA joint project. He was stationed at the biological warfare laboratory in Fort Detrick, Maryland. This was in 1952 during the Korean Conflict. He had been a highly decorated U.S. Army Air Corp officer in World War II, but the government felt that he had a skill of strategic importance to the national security.

    At Fort Detrick, he and Olsen, along with a couple of other scientists, were working on a very compartmentalized project. . . .

    On November 19, 1953, my father (along with Dr. Frank Olson and a couple of other colleagues) was taken by Dr. Sidney Gottlieb to a summer camp near Baltimore. While there, he and his colleagues were involuntarily given large doses of LSD in their cocktails; doses on the order of 10,000 to 15,000 micrograms. Olsen knew about the experiment, and out of concern for my father told him, “Harvey you have been given a psychoactive drug and you are beginning to feel its effects. Don’t worry.”

    Olsen had also taken a large dose of acid, and later freaked out because he said he had, “blown the experiment.” It was supposed to be a double-blind experiment for all of the participants other than Olsen. He was supposed to keep silent.

    Frank Olsen continued to feel unsettled, and was rushed by CIA personnel to New York for psychiatric examination. Something terrible happened instead. Frank was bludgeoned in the head and then thrown from his hotel room window. He was murdered. This, at least, was the conclusion of forensic pathologists hired by Frank’s son Eric in 1994.

    My father filed an internal protest demanding an investigation of his friend’s and colleague’s death, and that was what ultimately triggered the events that killed him.

    In January of 1954, under the illusion that he was being immunized from a new retroviral biological warfare agent, he was injected instead with a live virus that he had discovered during his research. He became extremely ill. In his notes, he indicated that he immediately knew. “They killed Frank,” he said, “and now they have killed me. The difference is that I will die slowly, very slowly.”

    He died in 1960, from a form of lymphoma as eleven government labs did morphological workups of his cells. . . .

    —————————

    PETER LEVENDA: This adds a dimension to this story that locates it in the realm of the truly weird.

    Puharich and Olson did not get along. Olson thought Puharich was nuts; Puharich thought Olson was a “child afraid of the dark.” See Hank Albarelli’s lengthy but hair-raising and definitive text on Olson — A Terrible Mistake; The Murder of Frank Olsen and the CIA’s Secret Cold War Experiments — for details on this relationship.

    I have not been able to discover yet if Harvey Trombly was one of those dosed with LSD along with Olson, but I’m working on it. I have located Harvey Trombly, who died in 1960 at the age of 38, as well as one F. W. Quackenbush who was indeed a biochemist at Purdue at the time in question. Those elements of the story thus far can be verified.

    But an Adam Trombly – Puharich – Olson – Nine connection?

    +++++++++++++++

    TOMFORTAS TO DAVE:
    The figure who unites us all here is Arthur M. Young (1905-1995) inventor of the Bell-47 helicopter and founder of the Institute for the Study of Consciousness in Berkeley in 1972. In that fateful year of 1952, Arthur Young was present with Puharich at the Round Table Foundation in Maine. I myself have known Foster Gamble personally for 30 years because Arthur Young was our common mentor. Indeed, the torus idea in THRIVE comes directly from Arthur Young.

    As you know, Peter Levenda’s first book in his Sinister Forces trilogy is entitled: THE NINE, and features Arthur Young prominently. Of course, Arthur’s stepson was Michael Paine married to Ruth Hyde Paine who got Lee Harvey Oswald his job at the Texas School Book Depository building about 6 weeks before the assassination.

    So, there seems to be a direct linkage of quite high strangeness from Puharich, The Nine and MK-ULTRA in the 50’s through Adam Trombly’s awakening in the 60’s through Puharich adopting Uri Geller in the 70’s along with Arthur Young’s Institute in Berkeley, where I met Foster Gamble in the 80’s and now here we are in 2012 dealing with Foster’s movie THRIVE. (Oh, and I just remembered, Elizabeth Rauscher is deeply involved here too.)

    Tom Mellett
    Los Angeles, CA

    *** a zemblanity is a baleful synchronicity

    Posted by Hollywood Tomfortas | May 27, 2012, 5:49 pm
  5. If you see only one viral, crypto-fascist, New Age movie this summer, make it THRIVE.

    I have to say, I loved the film, and might never have found it or watched it but for Dave’s mini-rant. I recommend everyone see it at least once. But to be fair, I don’t expect everyone to have the stomach or schadenfreude — or frankly, enough weed in their bong — to sit through such a masterpiece of philistine vulgarity. Please allow myself to just blurbify it here. (Peter Travers, eat your heart out!)

    With an über-earnestness approaching high camp, and a visual design done by an ape with a budget, THRIVE is destined to be a classic, along with the “Legend of Atlantis” (an epic of the genre, by Foster Gamble’s equal Bavarian number, The Prophet Elia).

    I think I must have shouted or convulsed (I made the cat jump about a foot in the air) when they trotted out the Crips and the Bloods, but still I can’t for the life of me figure out what the hell for! (Kimberly to Foster, harried, late in the editing process: “Honey, we need more blacks in the film. Not enough blacks, I says!”)

    So, just as I imagine Goodman, Chopra, Robbins, Hawken, Sahtouris, Elgin, Shiva, et al, have learned the meaning of “arm’s length” the hard way, I can’t help but ask: Who ended up on the cutting room floor? A short and speculative list:

    – Jordan Maxwell (Drinking game: take a pull on the jug every time he says “Consequently” … but be sure to designate a driver — preferably one with an ambulance.)

    – Zecharia Sitchin (The Anunnaki finally came for him about 2 years ago, claiming royalties owed.)

    – The Napoleon guy from Zeitgeist (He gets a lunchtime achievement award for coining “falsivity” — among other subliterate neologisms — without apparently noticing. Now that’s editing.)

    – Chris Everard (Late of the Enigma Channel, the man who put the “mud” back into “muddle” and the “stif” in “mystify.”)

    – Linda Stunell (Recently disappeared, but formerly of Amenstop Productions. She should be narrating EVERY viral video on the planet.)

    Yes, I am a connoisseur. And it’s an acquired taste. Blecch!

    Posted by Rob Coogan | May 27, 2012, 8:23 pm
  6. The only thing that seems to be missing in this propaganda piece is the word “Freemasonry”. To remind listeners who might not know it (the majority I guess), I have become acquainted with several shows and websites before discovering For The Record and SpitfireList. This movie “Thrive” seems to be following a pattern that I have seen many many times in the past. This: If the world is going wrong, it’s because of the Jewish Bankers-Jewish Conspiracy-Zionist-Freemasonry-Illuminati-Reptilians-Annunaki-Knights of Malta-Rosicrucians-Federal Reserve and so on, cabal…

    I wander to some extent the key element here is not in fact Freemasonry.If we recall, it was them who initiated the American and French Revolutions. Crowned heads of Europe and their allies, of the past and of today, might want to pin on them the odious of humankind’s situation and, at the same time, get revenge if they could. I think that is worth reflecting on.

    Posted by Claude | May 27, 2012, 9:14 pm
  7. I watched part of this, and under it (on you-Tube) were so many fake sounding positive comments, I just have to think that with billions of dollars to throw around someone is manipulating our reality by creating a false social environment for our lives.

    This “Thrive” dork-u-mentary is so full of lies I caught 2 in the first minutes of the movie and mentioned them in the comment section of You-Tube and was immediated pounced on as being “negative”.

    Anyway, the torus energy ain’t goin’ anywhere so there is probably not much to worry about here.

    Posted by brux | May 30, 2012, 9:32 am
  8. Hey Claude:

    You left out “Bolshevik” from the list…

    But that’s OK. Isn’t Quakenbush a Groucho Marx character?

    This film could use his touch…

    -stu

    This movie “Thrive” seems to be fol­low­ing a pat­tern that I have seen many many times in the past. This: If the world is going wrong, it’s because of the Jew­ish Bankers-Jewish Conspiracy-Zionist-Freemasonry-Illuminati-Reptilians-Annunaki-Knights of Malta-Rosicrucians-Federal Reserve and so on, cabal…

    Posted by ironcloudz | May 31, 2012, 9:57 am
  9. @Ironcloudz: You are right, I forgot it. Thank you for being thorough and for your vigilance.

    Posted by Claude | May 31, 2012, 10:14 pm
  10. On the subject of THRIVE, I’m doing my levitian best to bring some Marxian if not Stoogean zaniness into the very Disneyfied film that wishes to take us back to the Eisenhower era. Hey, then it was “I like Ike.” Now Foster Gamble upgrades that to “I like Icke!” (Nyicke! Nyicke! Nyicke!)

    So please sing along with the “Foster Thrive and the Thriveteers Alma Mater Song” that I composed. Lyrics and story here:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arthur/message/7310

    Posted by Hollywood Tomfortas | June 2, 2012, 12:50 pm
  11. Godwins law?

    Posted by Random internet drifter | June 26, 2012, 2:22 am
  12. Wow, I could almost not get through watching it. So much paranoia in this film. Wondering why the progressives in this film would agree to be part of this?-they will know better next time. The Utopian happy ending “Disney Land ish” Outlanish actually. A perfect society without any government or police, hmmm- Then who is going to protect us from the lizard people? How exactly does Mr. Gamble think we are to overcome the Rothchilds? If they are all powerful as he tries to convince us they are. Likely, he has no interest in making the world a better place at all, he just hates hates hates and has psychological defects, yet disguises that with the new age positive persona. Sounds like he himself is in a cult and this film was his homework asignment in order to move up a level or two. Thank you for this web site and for exposing this rediculous film! What a horrible group of zombies, agree! Does any one have information on these peoples and if they belong to an organized group, cult, secret society? besides the obvious anti- illuminati paranoid online chatters. Thanks again, thought i was hallucinating when i viewed this film.

    Posted by Caitelyn | July 23, 2012, 11:47 am
  13. A tedious thing to watch (Zeitgeist with stargates)… but at some points I felt an overwhelming desire to go out and sell some Amway or go to one of those real estate seminars. The Von Mises punchline is way too long in coming. Funny, but I don’t remember the Austrian economists talking too much about love.

    I did own a Ford Torus for a while and I would not recommend it as a pattern for the universe.

    Posted by Dwight | July 24, 2012, 1:15 pm
  14. Didn’t Von Mises had a brief torrid affair with Ayn Rand?

    Posted by ironcloudz | July 25, 2012, 8:09 am
  15. Hi Dave,
    thanks for the info (as usual) ;-)

    I did want to mention that I don’t know who’s further out there, David Icke or the person who made the documentary.

    http://davidickedebunked.com/

    I don’t believe in reptilians, aliens, demons, or Jesus. The person behind the documentary sounds like he’s a believer.

    Did you watch the documentary?

    I do get the point about Thrive.
    Thanks again!

    Posted by wunjoe | January 5, 2013, 6:58 pm
  16. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/prizewinning-author-alice-walker-gives-support-to-david-icke-on-desert-island-discs-8622648.html

    Prize-winning author Alice Walker gives support to David Icke on Desert Island Discs

    When asked which book she would take were she to be an isolated castaway, the author of The Color Purple chose Icke’s Human Race Get Off Your Knees
    Liam O’Brien

    Sunday 19 May 2013

    Pulitzer Prize-winning author Alice Walker has voiced her support for the work of controversial British conspiracy theorist David Icke on BBC Radio 4’s Desert Island Discs.

    When asked which book she would take were she to be an isolated castaway, the author of The Color Purple chose Icke’s ‘Human Race Get Off Your Knees: The Lion Sleeps No More.’

    In the 750-page tome, Icke describes how the human mind is controlled from the moon.

    The moon, he claims, is actually a “gigantic spacecraft” which sends us a “fake reality broadcast”.

    This method of manipulation is said to work “in much the same way as portrayed in the Matrix movie trilogy”.

    Icke, a former BBC presenter, drew mockery in 1991 when he pronounced himself the son of the messiah in an interview with Terry Wogan.

    Since then, he has made a career as an author and public speaker.

    One of his key ideas is that Earth is ruled by shape-shifting reptiles, including the Queen and President Barack Obama.

    This isn’t the first time that Walker has endorsed Icke.

    In posts on her website, she compared the former footballer to Malcolm X and described Human Race Get Off Your Knees as “the ultimate reading adventure”.

    Despite bemoaning the fact she didn’t have the scientific brain to fully comprehend it, she “felt it was the first time I was able to observe, and mostly imagine and comprehend, the root of the incredible evil that has engulfed our planet”.

    But perhaps suggesting that some of the ideas should be taken with a generous pinch of salt, she said: “Do I believe everything? I don’t think it matters.”

    During the bizarre interview on Desert Island Discs, Walker said the set of Steven Spielberg’s 1985 adaptation of The Color Purple was “blessed by angels”, adding: “It just was so full of love that it was palpable.”

    When asked which luxury item she would take, she named a brand of blender. “I would like a solar-powered Vitamix so that I could make my own green smoothies every morning.”

    Posted by Vanfield | May 21, 2013, 4:55 pm
  17. Thanks for the info.

    I don’t know if you guys look around at any of the “conspiracy” forums but there seem to be a lot of people who actually believe reptilians rule the planet etc… I think the entry point is the belief that UFOs are from outer space. They’re multiplying!

    Posted by The Choir | May 22, 2013, 3:29 pm
  18. I’ve come to believe over the years that the UFO phenomenon is a ploy to prep people’s minds too believe in hooey, specifically Catholic hooey which in turn has been used to weaken Democracies. Much of the UFO phenomenon was born out of CIA, and European rightwingers working on unifying Europe after WWII, in particular hard core anti-communists who had a thing for bombing Europe into unification(Gladio). Take for example the Torbitt document. The Torbitt document regarding JFKs assassination has become mixed up with Nazis, NASA and UFOs. The Nazi and NASA element is real.. the UFO stuff is the misdirection. Also thrown into the mix is some “Canadian Jews” misdirection obviously designed to say the Jews are what was behind the JFK assassination. The evidence shows that a network rightwingers was behind the JFK assassination. It was a collection of anti-communist fascists in Europe and in the USA that had taken root in the CIA and living in Texas(Russian pro-czarist emigrees) that glommed on to LHO and led him around on a leash. Roman Catholicism was mainly the binding key here, not Judaism. Judaism is the patsy religion of choice for shady things that are actually using Catholicism as the primary cover for weakening democracies and have been doing so for a very long time. It is not polite to talk about because, those on the left don’t want to blame an entire religion for things like JFK’s assassination and the events around Lincoln.. and that wouldn’t be the truth. But simply go look at your history and ask yourself which religion is the primary thread behind these events? Not Judaism. Catholicism has been used as a trojan horse for geopolitical intrigues for centuries and that is simply a fact. This Thrive movie is simply more “Jews Run the World” misdirection and sleight of hand.

    Posted by corndogger | May 23, 2013, 3:52 pm
  19. Posted by Phall | November 18, 2013, 2:35 pm

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