Levenda’s lat­est work shows that Hitler is buried in Indone­sia, and that he became a con­vert to Islam. Eva Braun left Indone­sia to be present at her father’s death, per­ma­nently leav­ing hitler with a new Indone­sian wife.

@Rick–

It would be inter­est­ing to see what Levenda’s sources are. I’m not diss­ing what he wrote, but one must ALWAYS be aware of the delib­er­ate “badjacketting”/disinformation gam­bit I dis­cussed in con­nec­tion with the Cheryl Bor­mann post of sev­eral days ago.

Does Lev­enda cite sources?

I would not be sur­prised if the alle­ga­tions are true. Hitler can be cred­i­bly said to have endorsed Islam, express­ing the view that it would have been bet­ter if Charles Martel’s forces had been defeated at the Bat­tle of Tours.

Hitler felt that after the Islamiza­tion of Europe, the Mus­lims would have died off because of the harsh climate.

This then would have left Europe/Germany with the Mus­lim views of Jews and Chris­tians, women, gays, the insti­tu­tion­al­iza­tion of great wealth, a reli­gious com­mit­ment to war against the unworthy/unbelieving.

Again, I don’t diss what Lev­enda is say­ing. There is rea­son to be intrigued.

But Caveat Emptor!

Best,

D

Greet­ings!

Just a note on sources: pretty much every­thing I write is based on pri­mary and solid sec­ondary sources, which are always iden­ti­fied and foot­noted. That was as true of Unholy Alliance as it is of Rat­line. In Rat­line, my research took me to Indone­sia to do the field­work. Like most peo­ple, I was not pre­pared to believe for a moment that Hitler sur­vived the war. It was only when con­fronted by tex­tual evi­dence did I have to read­just my think­ing (well, that and the fact that the skull the Rus­sians claimed was Hitler’s turned out not to be!). You may dis­agree about how I inter­pret the evi­dence, of course. What I do believe at this point is that (a) Hitler did not die as we were told he died, the foren­sics sim­ply don’t back it up, and (b) it is well-documented (but lit­tle known) that Indone­sia was the site of the only real Nazi Party in all of Asia, formed in the years just after the Beer Hall Putsch by Hitler’s friend Wal­ter Hewel who lived in Indone­sia for ten years before his recall to the Reich. This laid the ground­work for a leg of the rat­lines no one knew existed before: the Asian connection.

As for Hitler in Indone­sia, I pro­vide data, pho­tographs, and eye­wit­ness testimony.

Many thanks for this oppor­tu­nity to clar­ify my approach!

Peter Lev­enda

@Peter Lev­enda–

Wel­come to the web­site and thanks for all your efforts.

My obser­va­tions were not meant to cast asper­sions on your work. I’m ad admirer and have done quite a bit of work on “Unholy Alliance.”

Rather, the post­war Nazi Under­ground excels at plant­ing dis­in­for­ma­tion in order to cover the tracks of sup­pos­edly dead Nazi lumi­nar­ies who escaped.

In Mis­cel­la­neous Archve Show M57, “The Flight of the Wolf”, I dis­cussed Gestapo Chief Hein­rich Muller’s pre­sen­ta­tion while being debriefed by U.S. intel­li­gence agents.

(Mueller him­self sup­pos­edly died at the end of the war, but when the grave was opened, it con­tained three skele­tons, none of which were Mueller’s.)

In that pre­sen­ta­tion, unearthed by “Lon­don Times” jour­nal­ist, Mueller dis­cussed how he engi­neered the escape of Hitler.

The descrip­tion of the show: “Doc­u­ments Adolf Hitler’s escape from Ger­many at the end of World War II, using infor­ma­tion con­tained in pre­vi­ously clas­si­fied U.S. intel­li­gence archives, accessed by a Lon­don Times jour­nal­ist and dis­cussed in a mil­i­tary his­tory quar­terly. The story was revealed to U.S. intel­li­gence oper­a­tives dur­ing their debrief­ing of for­mer Gestapo chief Hein­rich Mueller, prior to his going to work for U.S. intel­li­gence in an anti-communist capacity.

Con­fi­dent that his sit­u­a­tion with his U.S. spon­sors was secure, Mueller dis­closed that Hitler escaped to Spain after the war and that his place in the bunker (and the grave) was taken by a dou­ble, a dis­tant blood rel­a­tive of the Fuehrer. Mueller’s alleged death at the war’s end has also been effec­tively debunked.”

Best,

Dave Emory

@Peter, Dave
While we have two author­i­ta­tive voices on the sub­ject here, does any­one have any insight on why the Sovi­ets would col­lude in the mas­sive dis­in­for­ma­tion effort regard­ing the sur­vival of high-level Nazis and their pro­tec­tion by, or inclu­sion into, West­ern intel­li­gence agen­cies? Does that fact lend plau­si­bil­ity to some of the more bizarre the­o­ries that the Soviet lead­er­ship, at some level, was con­sciously par­tic­i­pat­ing in a decades long planned dialec­tic with the West? I’d much pre­fer a more mun­dane explanation.

Greet­ings.

Dave: I am aware of the con­tro­versy sur­round­ing the Mueller mate­r­ial, and due to the fact that none of the doc­u­ments I pos­sess could indi­cate that he did, indeed, escape at war’s end, I decided not to bring it up in Rat­line (my Hitler story being con­tro­ver­sial enough!). There have been accu­sa­tions of fraud in some of the Mueller doc­u­men­ta­tion as I recall, but that does not mean that they are, in fact, fraud­u­lent. It’s an open ques­tion as far as I am concerned.

Dwight: if the Sovi­ets did col­lude in the dis­in­for­ma­tion effort it would have been to place dou­ble agents within West­ern intel­li­gence ser­vices. As we know now, the Gehlen Org was noto­ri­ously pen­e­trated by the KGB. In addi­tion, the Paper­clip sci­en­tists were known to have been in con­tact with their for­mer col­leagues behind the Iron Cur­tain, in some cases send­ing clas­si­fied research their way through the mail.

The Sovi­ets could have screamed about Hitler’s sur­vival on the one hand, and then at the same time use the Nazis they had turned as fur­ther chan­nels of dis­in­for­ma­tion against the West.

It’s text­book trade­craft, I think. On the one hand, SMERSH was insist­ing to Stalin that they had Hitler’s body. On the other hand, Stalin was telling the West that they had Hitler. MI6 was telling every­one that Hitler had died in the bunker, a sui­cide. Oper­a­tion Myth met Oper­a­tion Nurs­ery. These cyn­i­cal oper­a­tional names pretty much give the game away.

@Peter Lev­enda–

Again, very glad to see you using this website.

The dis­in­for­ma­tion fac­tor was one of Mueller’s trade­marks. Cer­tainly, the “body­guard of lies” sur­round­ing any impor­tant truth did not orig­i­nate with Mueller, but he was a master.

I strongly encour­age you to avail your­self of some of the books avail­able for down­load for free in the “Books” cat­e­gory, in par­tic­u­lar “Mar­tin Bor­mann: Nazi in Exile,” by Paul Manning.

Also, FTR #305, is an encap­su­la­tion of “Mar­tin Bor­mann: Nazi in Exile.” “About Paul Man­ning” is a worth­while syn­op­sis of Manning’s career.

FTR #145 con­sists of some of Manning’s cor­re­spon­dence with colleagues.

FTR #‘s 152, 155 high­light some of Manning’s research on the Bormann/Mueller milieu, devel­oped after the pub­li­ca­tion of his Bor­mann text.

FTR #604 dis­cusses Manning’s account of Mueller’s dis­in­for­ma­tion effort vis a vis Bormann.

FTR #134 recaps some of the Mueller dis­in­for­ma­tion suc­cess­fully directed at Ladis­las Farago, cou­pled with your infor­ma­tion from “Unholy Alliance” about the repug­nant Ger­ald Posner’s res­o­nance of Mueller’s efforts against Farago.

I also rec­om­mend “The New Ger­many and the Old Nazis” by T.H. Tetens, as well as “The Nazis Go Under­ground” by Kurt Reiss, pub­lished before D-Day.

“All Hon­or­able Men” places the Nazi recrude­s­cence at war’s end within the transna­tional cor­po­rate context.

Obvi­ously, I think all of the books are worth­while, or I wouldn’t have made them avail­able, but the above-mentioned works are par­tic­u­larly rel­e­vant to the daunt­ing task of sleuthing out the where­abouts of promi­nent Third Reich alumni.

I, too, have devel­oped some doubts about the Mueller/Hitler Escape mate­r­ial I accessed in the early ’90’s via M57. I can’t say that it’s wrong, just that I’ve devel­oped some doubts.

In the end, I think one is left with rely­ing on cred­i­ble doc­u­men­ta­tion and sources one views as credible.

Hav­ing got­ten to know the Man­ning fam­ily, I have a high regard for Paul’s research. He under­took it at the urg­ing of his col­league and men­tor Edward R. Mur­row. His work was under­writ­ten by CBS News, which would not go with the story in the end. No sur­prise there.

I view the Murrow/Manning jour­nal­is­tic engine as alto­gether credible.

I have also been fas­ci­nated by the late Frank Wisner’s obses­sion with Bor­mann in the after­math of JFK’s assas­si­na­tion and the run-up to Wisner’s own alleged suicide.

(Nat­u­rally, Wisner’s Bor­mann fas­ci­na­tion was dis­missed as men­tal ill­ness. His shot­gun “sui­cide” may have been just that, but a well-known CIA assas­si­na­tion gam­bit involves dis­patch­ing a tar­get with a small-caliber weapon fired into the back of the head, after which a shot­gun is placed in the victim’s mouth/face and fired, thereby oblit­er­at­ing the fatal wound. Wisner’s was a “shotgun/kiss” death.

After the JFK hit, Wis­ner was known to be obsessed with “the sin­is­ter and mys­te­ri­ous Mar­tin Bor­mann” and was call­ing for us to “pool our resources and get Bormann.”

What MAY have put him on to this was the col­laps­ing of the stock mar­ket and the com­modi­ties mar­ket on the morn­ing of 11/22/1963.

That was accom­plished by the Tino De Angelis/Bunge Cor­po­ra­tion gam­bit involv­ing German-connected inter­ests in Argentina.

(See FTR #327 and the book “Were We Controlled?)

What I find most inter­est­ing and sig­nif­i­cant about this is that Wis­ner was a part­ner in Carter, Led­yard and Mill­burn, the gen­eral coun­sel for the New York Stock Exchange, at the time and, per­haps still.

At one point two Deputy Direc­tors of Cen­tral Intel­li­gence were C,L,M partners–Wisner and Hard­ing Jackson.

There are plenty of peo­ple like Frank Wis­ner who would not hes­i­tate to use Nazis in our intel­li­gence appa­ra­tus but who would be appalled at a vio­la­tion of the NYSE.

I don’t think the Wis­ners and the Dulle­ses ever fig­ured the Boys from Berlin could out­smart them. Talk about hubris!

Again, I’m very curi­ous about the Tino De Ange­lis gam­bit and Wisner’s obsession.

Thanks again for your interest,

Dave Emory

One quick com­ment: I am very famil­iar with the Man­ning mate­r­ial and cited it in my own Rat­line. I talk about Paul Man­ning on a few of the radio and pod­cast inter­views I have been on in the past few weeks. I respect his work a great deal.

And it is a plea­sure to be con­tribut­ing to this site!

Thanks,

Peter L.

@Peter Lev­enda–

Let me extend Dave’s greet­ings and wel­come for join­ing our small group of thinkers. This com­mu­nity is small in num­ber but very large and impor­tant for the qual­ity of the con­tri­bu­tions and sug­ges­tions listeners/readers input into it. Your work is obvi­ously very impor­tant and of excel­lent quality.

I have to say how­ever that I tend to agree with Dave on the abil­ity of the Bor­mann net­work to dis­sem­i­nate dis­in­for­ma­tion to throw peo­ple off. The log­i­cal thing for a flee­ing Hitler would have been to go to Argentina via Spain. Peron’s regime had been friendly to nazism for years and Franco’s made it easy for peo­ple of that sort too. That would have been the most log­i­cal thing to do and the eas­i­est. Could Hitler have cho­sen another route and des­ti­na­tion? Pos­si­bly, but logic sug­gests he chose the sim­plest and most effec­tive ones in a time of war when his head had a high price, and in this case, Spain and Argentina were. But of course, as you sug­gest, your trail of enquiry could very well be the real stuff. Who knows.

Best.