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FTR #1040 Interview #9 with Jim DiEugenio about “Destiny Betrayed”

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This broad­cast was record­ed in one, 60-minute seg­ment.

Intro­duc­tion: This is the ninth of a planned long series of inter­views with Jim DiEu­ge­nio about his tri­umphal analy­sis of Pres­i­dent Kennedy’s assas­si­na­tion and New Orleans Dis­trict Attor­ney Jim Gar­rison’s hero­ic inves­ti­ga­tion of the killing.

(Lis­ten­ers can order Des­tiny Betrayed and Jim’s oth­er books, as well as sup­ple­ment­ing those vol­umes with arti­cles about this coun­try’s polit­i­cal assas­si­na­tions at his web­site Kennedys and KingJim is also a reg­u­lar guest and expert com­men­ta­tor on Black Op Radio.)

In this inter­view, we pro­ceed into the sub­stance of New Orleans Dis­trict Attor­ney Jim Gar­rison’s inves­ti­ga­tion into the JFK assas­si­na­tion. Gar­rison’s inquiry began imme­di­ate­ly after the assas­si­na­tion when for­mer Guy Ban­is­ter inves­ti­ga­tor Jack Mar­tin gave infor­ma­tion to him about one of his cronies in the “detec­tive agency.”

David Fer­rie was a vet­er­an intel­li­gence offi­cer with a long CV. Fer­rie’s intel­li­gence resume and behav­ior with regard the JFK assas­si­na­tion includes:

  1. His work with a Civ­il Air Patrol unit that includ­ed Lee Har­vey Oswald, as well as Bar­ry Seal, anoth­er future CIA oper­a­tive who became a major play­er in the Iran-Con­tra drug traf­fic.
  2. Fer­rie’s CAP unit’s pro­found rela­tion­ship with the mil­i­tary, per­mit­ting his unit to oper­ate at Keesler Air Force Base in Mis­sis­sip­pi and to fly on mil­i­tary air­craft. This indi­cates strong grav­i­tas on Fer­rie’s part with­in the nation­al secu­ri­ty estab­lish­ment.
  3. His strange trip to Texas on the day of the assas­si­na­tion, dri­ving all night through a heavy rain­storm to–take your pick–go ice skat­ing and/or go goose hunt­ing. The man­ag­er of the skat­ing rink stat­ed that Fer­rie did not go ice skat­ing but stayed by a pay phone all of the time he spent there. His com­pan­ions stat­ed that they did not bring guns on the trip. Fer­rie spent his time in Galve­ston (a Texas port city) in a hotel over­look­ing the sea.
  4. Fer­rie mar­ket­ing his unten­able ice skating/goose hunt­ing sto­ry to the FBI–an act of per­jury on his part.
  5. Fer­rie also stat­ed that he did­n’t know how to fire a rifle, a claim fun­da­men­tal­ly at odds with Fer­rie’s work as a para­mil­i­tary com­man­do train­er at the CIA camps at LaCombe, Louisiana.
  6. Imme­di­ate­ly after the assas­si­na­tion, Fer­rie fran­ti­cal­ly sought to recov­er any pho­tographs of him with Lee Har­vey Oswald in his CAP unit.
  7. Imme­di­ate­ly after the assas­si­na­tion, Fer­rie wor­ried that his library card might be in Oswald’s pos­ses­sion. Oswald knew about “microdots,” a tech­nique devel­oped by Ger­man intel­li­gence in World War II per­mit­ting the reduc­tion of an intel­li­gence com­mu­ni­ca­tion to micro­scop­ic size, thus enabling its inser­tion into a peri­od or com­ma in a sen­tence. Some researchers have opined that the library card may have involved some use of microdot tech­nol­o­gy in the Ferrie/Oswald intel­li­gence rela­tion­ship.
  8. Fer­rie, Oswald and Guy Ban­is­ter were all deeply involved with the CIA’s anti-Cas­tro Cuban effort in New Orleans. Ban­is­ter’s office was a front for many of the weapons used by Fer­rie and com­pa­ny at the LaCombe camp and oth­er facil­i­ties. As dis­cussed pre­vi­ous­ly, Oswald’s one man Fair Play For Cuba Com­mit­tee (New Orleans chap­ter) was housed in the same New­man build­ing that housed Ban­is­ter’s oper­a­tion.
  9. Fer­rie had oper­a­tional con­nec­tions with both Ela­dio Del Valle and Ser­gio Arcacha Smith, two of the CIA’s pri­ma­ry anti-Cas­tro Cuban oper­a­tives.
  10. Against the back­ground of JFK’s Cuban pol­i­cy, includ­ing JFK’s actions vis a vis the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Mis­sile Cri­sis, his impend­ing diplo­mat­ic rap­proche­ment with Cas­tro and the Jus­tice Depart­men­t’s clos­ing down of the LaCombe camp and oth­ers like it, Fer­rie began mak­ing increas­ing­ly vio­lent state­ments about JFK.
  11. Fer­rie began open­ly talk­ing about killing Kennedy. His vio­lent anti-JFK state­ments were one of the rea­sons he was dis­missed from East­ern Air­lines, for whom he worked as a pilot.

Des­tiny Betrayed by Jim DiEu­ge­nio; Sky­horse pub­lish­ing [SC]; Copy­right 1992, 2012 by Jim DiEu­ge­nio; ISBN 978–1‑62087–056‑3; p. 116.

. . . . As Mon­goose began to dwin­dle down, Fer­rie, and oth­ers, now grew even more resent­ful of Kennedy. For the first time, Fer­rie men­tioned to a young pro­tege a design to do away with JFK. But he nev­er includ­ed him­self in the plans. He talked about it in the sec­ond or third per­son. Some­times, he went fur­ther and said that Kennedy “ought to be shot.” This was also echoed by Guy Ban­is­ter who had been a CIA con­duit of funds for the train­ing camps. In 1963, Ban­is­ter bit­ter­ly com­plained to a col­league that “some­one should do away with Kennedy.” Ban­is­ter’s fas­cist ide­ol­o­gy was con­ducive  to such things. . . .

After Gar­ri­son indict­ed him, Fer­rie began pub­licly attack­ing Gar­rison’s cred­i­bil­i­ty, ridi­cul­ing any notion of his own guilt in the assas­si­na­tion. In pri­vate, Fer­rie began express­ing fear for his life. As it devel­oped, Fer­rie’s fears were well found­ed. His naked corpse was found in his apart­ment, alleged­ly felled by a berry aneurism at the base of his brain. A sheet was pulled up over his face, and there were two typed sui­cide notes, with his name typed, not signed.

There are a num­ber of con­sid­er­a­tions in con­nec­tion with Fer­rie’s death:

  1. If his death was nat­ur­al, why were there two typed sui­cide notes?
  2. If it was sui­cide, how did he die?
  3. There were marks in Fer­rie’s mouth, clear­ly revealed in autop­sy pho­tos. Might they have indi­cat­ed that drugs been forced down his throat? Fer­rie had been tak­ing pro­loid, which might well have pro­duced the lethal reac­tion Fer­rie expe­ri­enced in the event of an over­dose. He had ordered thy­roid pills, which were gone when his body was dis­cov­ered.
  4. Jour­nal­ist George Lard­ner had inter­viewed Fer­rie, and claims he was with Fer­rie until 4am, the last pos­si­ble time that Fer­rie’s death could have occurred. If Lard­ner was right, the killers must have entered with­in min­utes of his depar­ture.
  5. Decades lat­er, Lard­ner, work­ing for the CIA-linked Wash­ing­ton Post, went to Dal­las to shad­ow Oliv­er Stone’s film­ing of “JFK,” based on Gar­rison’s book On the Trail of the Assas­sins. Lard­ner then wrote a hit piece on Stone’s film before it was released.

The con­tents of Fer­rie’s apart­ment were unusu­al. Recall that he had stat­ed that he did­n’t know how to fire a rifle.

Des­tiny Betrayed by Jim DiEu­ge­nio; Sky­horse pub­lish­ing [SC]; Copy­right 1992, 2012 by Jim DiEu­ge­nio; ISBN 978–1‑62087–056‑3; p. 225.

. . . . The con­tents of Fer­rie’s apart­ment at the time of his death were unusu­al for a pri­vate inves­ti­ga­tor. They includ­ed a blue, 100-pound aer­i­al bomb, a Spring­field pri­vate inves­ti­ga­tor. They includ­ed a blue, 100-pound aer­i­al bomb, a Spring­field rifle, a Rem­ing­ton rifle, an altered-stock, .22 rifle, 20 shot­gun shells, two Army Sig­nal Corps tele­phones, one bay­o­net, one flare gun, a radio trans­mit­ter unit, a radio receiv­er unit, 32 rifle car­tridges, 22 blanks, sev­er­al cam­eras, and three rolls of film. . . . 

Short­ly after Fer­rie’s death, his close asso­ciate Ela­dio Del Valle was found mur­dered, near the apart­ment of Bernar­do De Tor­res, Bay of Pigs vet­er­an and U.S. intel­li­gence vet­er­an. Del Valle had been tor­tured, shot through the heart and his head had been split open with a machete.


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