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FTR #105 Update on the Political Implications of the UFO Phenomenon

Lis­ten: One Seg­ment

This pro­gram presents infor­ma­tion sup­ple­men­tal to past dis­cus­sion of the real­i­ty of UFOs in the earth­’s atmos­phere (built by human beings, not by sup­posed aliens “from out­er space.”) After dis­cussing a deci­sion by sci­en­tists in late June of 1998 to take the UFO phe­nom­e­non seri­ous­ly, the broad­cast touch­es on the death with­in a four-day peri­od of three Nazi rock­et sci­en­tists who worked on the U.S. rock­et and space pro­gram after World War II. Much of the pro­gram cen­ters on more infor­ma­tion about the pio­neer­ing devel­op­ment of so-called fly­ing saucers by the Third Reich dur­ing the lat­er stages of World War II. New infor­ma­tion from a book pub­lished in 1998 high­lights the work of Reimar and Wal­ter Hort­en, Nazi avi­a­tion pio­neers who devel­oped a super­son­ic fight­er air­craft that looked like “a fly­ing din­ner plate.” This pro­to­type was oper­a­tional by 1944. There are sub­stan­tive indi­ca­tions that the work of the Hort­en broth­ers and oth­er Nazi aero­nau­ti­cal engi­neers was con­tin­ued and improved upon by the Unit­ed States, Britain, Argenti­na and oth­er coun­tries in the post-war peri­od. The broad­cast con­cludes with a look at the type of spin con­trol that has per­pet­u­at­ed the illu­sion that UFOs are either imag­i­nary or extrater­res­tri­al in nature.


One comment for “FTR #105 Update on the Political Implications of the UFO Phenomenon”

  1. Recent­ly there have been sev­er­al arti­cles about UFO’s in the news. I am not a big believ­er that they are due to aliens from oth­er solar sys­tems (although fac­tu­al­ly I would have no way of prov­ing either — I believe it is high­ly like­ly that life exists in oth­er solar sys­tems; but do not believe UFO sight­ings involve extrater­res­tri­al beings). I sus­pect it is due to a secret pen­ta­gon pro­gram. How­ev­er, it is not clear how the Pres­i­dent, Con­gress, or inves­tiga­tive agen­cies do not appear to be aware of such U.S. based tech­nol­o­gy. There is a pos­si­bil­i­ty that in the future this will either be used to dis­tract the pub­lic from con­cern­ing polit­i­cal devel­op­ments or be used as a psy­cho­log­i­cal oper­a­tion to spread ter­ror to many peo­ple for polit­i­cal pur­pos­es.

    What we do know is that:

    1) In 1933 Wern­her von Braun joined the SS horse­back rid­ing school as an SS-Anwarter and left a year lat­er. In 1937 he joined rthe Nazi par­ty. In 1940 he joined the SS. In 1943 he became and SS Sturm­ban­n­fuhrer (Major). Von Braun came to the US under Oper­a­tion Paper­clip. NASA after com­ing to the US under Project Paper­clip. Wern­her had an old­er broth­er, the West Ger­man diplo­mat Sigis­mund von Braun, who served as Sec­re­tary of State in the For­eign Office in the 1970s, and a younger broth­er, also named Mag­nus von Braun, who was a rock­et sci­en­tist and lat­er a senior exec­u­tive with Chrysler (the aero­space divi­sion in Huntsville, Alaba­ma). In 1940 his supe­ri­or was Dr. Wal­ter Dorn­berg­er who lat­er became a Major Gen­er­al who retired from Bell Air­craft as a Vice Pres­i­dent in 1965. In 1945 Von Braun explained his deci­sion to sur­ren­der to the West­ern Allies, rather than Rus­sians, as being influ­enced by a desire to share rock­et tech­nol­o­gy with peo­ple who fol­lowed the Bible. In 1946he attend­ed church in El Paso, Texas, and under­went a reli­gious con­ver­sion to evan­gel­i­cal Chris­tian­i­ty. Von Braun became NASA’S first direc­tor on 1 July 1960 and held the posi­tion until 27 Jan­u­ary 1970. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun#cite_note-AmerExp‑5

    2) A 06/04/2021 NPR arti­cle by Bill Chap­pell “How UFO Sight­ings Went From Con­spir­a­cy The­o­ry To A Seri­ous Gov­ern­ment Inquiry” men­tions the fol­low­ing “[J]ournalist Annie Jacob­sen told NPR in 2011 when she pub­lished a book about the mys­te­ri­ous Area 51 in Neva­da. As spec­u­la­tion about that inci­dent grew, Jacob­sen added, the Army intel­li­gence corps went on a search for for­mer Third Reich aero­space design­ers who were said to have cre­at­ed a fly­ing disc.” … That same year, the Air Force start­ed a pro­gram to inves­ti­gate UFO sight­ings, called Project BLUE BOOK. Over the next two decades, 12,618 strange sight­ings were report­ed to the project. When it was phased out in 1969, around 700 sight­ings were still cat­e­go­rized as “Uniden­ti­fied,” accord­ing to the Nation­al Archives. https://www.npr.org/2021/06/04/1003262749/how-ufo-sightings-went-from-conspiracy-theory-to-a-serious-government-inquiry.

    3) This next Guardian, UK arti­cle 06/17/202, by Adam Gab­batt “‘Something’s going on’: UFOs threat­en nation­al secu­ri­ty, US politi­cians warn” includes the fol­low­ing most notably that the arti­cle alleges that they have they have turned off and on nuclear tech­nol­o­gy and that this super advanced tech­nol­o­gy if it were owned by the Rus­sians or Chi­nese, the tech­nol­o­gy is so advanced that “they would own us right now,”
    Here are some quotes from the arti­cle:
    Last week Luis Eli­zon­do, the for­mer direc­tor of the Advanced Aero­space Threat Iden­ti­fi­ca­tion Pro­gram, told the Wash­ing­ton Post that UAPs posed a seri­ous threat.

    “In this coun­try we’ve had inci­dents where these UAPs have inter­fered and actu­al­ly brought offline our nuclear capa­bil­i­ties,” he said.

    “We also have data sug­gest­ing that in oth­er coun­tries these things have inter­fered with their nuclear tech­nol­o­gy and actu­al­ly turned them on, put them online.”

    One the­o­ry is that UAPs could be advanced Chi­nese or Russ­ian air­craft, but Burchett dis­missed that in his TMZ inter­view.

    “I think that’s ridicu­lous. If the Rus­sians had UFO tech­nol­o­gy, they would own us right now,” he said. “It has to be some­thing that’s, that’s out of our galaxy, it just has to be, if it is in fact is real.”

    Eli­zon­do also dis­missed those sug­ges­tions.

    “We are quite con­vinced that we’re deal­ing with a tech­nol­o­gy that is multi­gen­er­a­tional, sev­er­al gen­er­a­tions ahead of what we con­sid­er next gen­er­a­tion tech­nol­o­gy, so what we would con­sid­er beyond next gen­er­a­tion tech­nol­o­gy,” Eli­zon­do told the Post. “Some­thing that could be any­where between 50 to 1,000 years ahead of us.”

    The flur­ry of recent videos and the immi­nent release of the report has ignit­ed an excite­ment around uniden­ti­fied fly­ing craft that has not been seen for decades. Barack Oba­ma even weighed in, telling CBS recent­ly that “there’s footage and records of objects in the skies, that we don’t know exact­ly what they are”. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/17/ufos-us-report-national-security-concerns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    4) Here is infor­ma­tion from Von Braun’s FBI file. Page 8 shows con­cerns that Wern­her Von Braun was alleged to have used his influ­ence to get a con­tract to Gen­er­al Dynam­ics. He was sent a book about the Kennedy Assas­si­na­tion called “Mr. Pres­i­dent” pub­lished by Fact & Fic­tion LTD Press. The let­ter came from Great Britain. The FBI did no fur­ther research on this issue. See page 35. https://vault.fbi.gov/Wernher%20VonBraun/Wernher%20VonBraun%20Part%203%20of%207/view

    Posted by Mary Benton | June 20, 2021, 7:57 am

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