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FTR #371 Interview with Kevin Coogan

Record­ed August 5, 2002
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This inter­view high­lights the polit­i­cal and his­tor­i­cal land­scape against which the events of 9/11/2001 should be viewed. In this vis­it with Kevin Coogan, we review some of the key points of Kevin Coogan’s vital­ly impor­tant recent book Dream­er of the Day: Fran­cis Park­er Yock­ey and the Post War Fas­cist Inter­na­tion­al (Copy­right 1999 [SC]; Autono­me­dia; ISBN 1–57027-039–2.) (Kevin’s work is fea­tured promi­nent­ly in the FTR series about the 9/11 attacks.) In addi­tion, the sec­ond half of the pro­gram sets forth some of the key points of Coogan’s recent arti­cle about Ahmed Huber and Al Taqwa. As men­tioned in pre­vi­ous pro­grams, the use of Mr. Coogan’s remark­able work should not be mis­con­strued as con­sti­tut­ing an endorse­ment by Kevin for Mr. Emory’s work­ing hypoth­e­sis about 9/11.

1. The pro­gram begins with a sum­ma­ry by Mr. Coogan of Yockey’s life and work. A Nazi oper­a­tive before, dur­ing and after the Sec­ond World War, Yock­ey drew on a num­ber of philo­soph­i­cal inspi­ra­tions, par­tic­u­lar­ly Oswald Spen­gler and his book The Decline of the West. See­ing the dis­in­te­gra­tion of the West in the First World War, the rise of Bol­she­vism and the Great Depres­sion, Yock­ey even­tu­al­ly became enam­ored of the fas­cist phi­los­o­phy. Dif­fer­ing from Hitler’s Nordic racial phi­los­o­phy, Yock­ey came to see a pan-Euro­pean fas­cism as a pre­scrip­tion for human polit­i­cal ills. His phi­los­o­phy was summed up in the vol­ume Imperi­um, ulti­mate­ly pub­lished and pub­li­cized by Willis Car­to and his Lib­er­ty Lob­by orga­ni­za­tion.

2. Fur­ther devel­op­ing prin­ci­pal ele­ments of the polit­i­cal phi­los­o­phy of “Yock­ey­ism,” the pro­gram under­scores a num­ber of key dif­fer­ences between Yockey’s ideas and the tenets of “clas­si­cal” fas­cism and Nazism. Yock­ey saw poten­tial alliances between the fas­cist inter­na­tion­al and the for­mer Sovi­et Union, the People’s Repub­lic of Chi­na, Castro’s Cuba and the Third World as essen­tial to what he saw as an absolute necessity—the destruc­tion of the Unit­ed States as a pre­req­ui­site to the estab­lish­ment of the Imperi­um. Yock­ey hat­ed the U.S. and felt that the afore­men­tioned coun­tries and enti­ties (tra­di­tion­al­ly ranged as ene­mies of fas­cism in tra­di­tion­al fas­cist ide­ol­o­gy as well as “Cold War” phi­los­o­phy) were impor­tant to its even­tu­al anni­hi­la­tion. (It is Mr. Emory’s con­sid­ered opin­ion that much of the so-called pro­gres­sive sec­tor is, in effect, Yock­eyite in its man­i­fes­ta­tions and pronunciations–particularly in the after­math of 9/11.)

3. Next, the pro­gram high­lights the influ­ence of Karl Haushofer and his “geopol­i­tics” on the think­ing of key Third Reich lead­ers and, most impor­tant­ly, Yock­ey him­self. Of par­tic­u­lar note is the fact that Haushofer saw an alliance between Ger­many and the peo­ples of the so-called “col­ored” world as crit­i­cal to world dom­i­na­tion and the suc­cess­ful over­throw of the British Empire, in par­tic­u­lar.

4. One of the prin­ci­pal allies of the Third Reich and an indi­vid­ual who oper­at­ed in some of the same polit­i­cal are­nas as Yock­ey was Haj Amin al-Husseini—the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. An offi­cer in the SS, Hus­sei­ni oper­at­ed on behalf of the Third Reich and could be viewed as an embod­i­ment of key ele­ments of the geopo­lit­i­cal think­ing of Haushofer and, to an extent, Yock­ey. The Grand Mufti was par­tic­u­lar­ly active in the Third World in the post­war peri­od.

5. The Grand Mufti played a key part in the Ban­dung (Indone­sia) con­fer­ence in the 1950’s—a forum in which the non-aligned or “Third World” nations for­mal­ized their exis­tence and asso­ci­a­tion. Pre­cip­i­tat­ing an anti-Amer­i­can coali­tion among these nations as well as the Marx­ist coun­tries fig­ured promi­nent­ly in the think­ing of Yock­ey.

6. Anoth­er one of the promi­nent fas­cists asso­ci­at­ed with the Arabo/fascist milieu of the Grand Mufti was Fran­cois Genoud. A pri­ma­ry play­er in the Nazi espi­onage milieu before, dur­ing, and after World War II, Genoud gained promi­nence in the Arab world as one of the Nazi bankers oper­at­ing on behalf of the Alger­ian FLN. Genoud became a prime mover in the world of inter­na­tion­al ter­ror­ism, asso­ci­at­ing with, among oth­er ele­ments, Car­los the Jack­al, the Pop­u­lar Front for the Lib­er­a­tion of Pales­tine and var­i­ous Euro­pean fas­cist ele­ments asso­ci­at­ed with the Third Posi­tion. (For more about the Third Posi­tion, see FTR#’s 231, 267, as well as Mis­cel­la­neous Archive Shows M19 and M21.) Genoud was very close to the Grand Mufti through­out his career on behalf of the Third Reich. That career involved the aid­ing of Nazi fugi­tives after the war, the post­war dis­pens­ing of Nazi funds and legal assis­tance to accused Nazi war crim­i­nals. Among Genoud’s close asso­ciates was attor­ney Jacques Verges, who has assist­ed, among oth­ers, “Butch­er of Lyons” Klaus Bar­bie, the afore­men­tioned PFLP, and Car­los the Jack­al. Car­los’ wife-to-be (Isabelle Coutant-Peyre) is a law part­ner of Verges and the French attor­ney for Zac­cha­rias Mous­saoui, the accused 20th hijack­er.

7. A key play­er in the post­war Nazi under­ground in Egypt and the Mid­dle East was Johann Von Leers, chief anti-Semit­ic pro­pa­gan­dist for Goebbels dur­ing the Third Reich. After the war, Von Leers par­tic­i­pat­ed in the Nazi dias­po­ra, land­ing first in Argenti­na and then Egypt. The pub­lish­er of Der Weg, a Nazi pro­pa­gan­da peri­od­i­cal pub­lished in Argenti­na, Von Leers ush­ered a num­ber of Yockey’s writ­ings into print. After relo­cat­ing to Egypt, Von Leers con­vert­ed to Islam, chang­ing his name to Omar Amin Von Leers. In Egypt, he became the head of Nasser’s Insti­tute for the Study of Zion­ism. Among the peo­ple who even­tu­al­ly came under Von Leers’ sway was Achmed Huber (nee Alfred Huber). Huber is a direc­tor of Al Taqwa (lat­er renamed Nada man­age­ment).

8. Much of the sec­ond half of the broad­cast focus­es on Ahmed (or Achmed) Huber–an indi­vid­ual whose pres­ence over­laps the milieu of Bin Laden and the post­war fas­cist under­ground of Genoud, the Grand Mufti and Von Leers. (See Coogan’s recent arti­cle on Huber “The Mys­te­ri­ous Achmed Huber: Friend to Hitler, Allah and Bin Laden?”). As men­tioned at the begin­ning of this descrip­tion, Kevin’s arti­cle com­pris­es the bulk of the dis­cus­sion in FTR#354.

9. A social­ist ear­ly in life, Huber fell under the sway of the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood, Von Leers and the Grand Mufti. (For more about the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood, see among oth­er pro­grams, FTR#’s 343, 350, 351, 358, 369.) The com­bined influ­ence of these ele­ments prompt­ed Huber to become both a Mus­lim and a con­vert to fas­cism. Although a Sun­ni, Huber main­tains excel­lent rela­tions with the Shi­ite Islam­ic fun­da­men­tal­ists in Iran. Huber became very close to Fran­cois Genoud as well.

10. Much of Huber’s efforts have been direct­ed toward coor­di­nat­ing polit­i­cal actions among Euro­pean and Amer­i­can right­ists and Islam­ic fun­da­men­tal­ists in the U.S., Europe and the Mid­dle East. In addi­tion to the avowed goal of bring­ing down the Unit­ed States and anni­hi­lat­ing Israel, Huber and his asso­ciates seek to estab­lish Islam­ic fun­da­men­tal­ist rule in the Mid­dle East and to coor­di­nate an anti-immi­gra­tion pol­i­cy between the Islamists and Euro­pean right­ists. In the­o­ry, at least, this would end Mus­lim immi­gra­tion to Europe.

11. Among Huber’s more intrigu­ing con­nec­tions is his rela­tion­ship with the Aval­on Gemein­schaft, a Euro­pean pagan/fascist group. Syn­the­siz­ing ele­ments of pagan/occult reli­gious phi­los­o­phy with fas­cist polit­i­cal ide­ol­o­gy, the Aval­on Gemein­schaft would appear, at first glance, to be at fun­da­men­tal vari­ance with the Mus­lim reli­gios­i­ty espoused by Huber.

12. The broad­cast high­lights Huber’s asso­ci­a­tion with Al Taqwa, Youssef Nada and (alleged­ly) the milieu of Osama Bin Laden. This rela­tion­ship is dis­cussed at great length in broad­casts enu­mer­at­ed at the begin­ning of this descrip­tion.

13. An asso­ciate of the Ger­man Nazi group NPD, Huber num­bers among his col­leagues in that orga­ni­za­tion Horst Mahler, an indi­vid­ual with an ide­o­log­i­cal and polit­i­cal his­to­ry as var­ied as that of Huber. Orig­i­nal­ly asso­ci­at­ed with the Baad­er Mein­hoff Gang (an extreme left wing ter­ror­ist group in Ger­many), Mahler embraced a pro-Pales­tin­ian ide­o­log­i­cal line and, ulti­mate­ly, grav­i­tat­ed to a fas­cist polit­i­cal phi­los­o­phy. Mahler was vocal in his sup­port for the attacks of 9/11.
14. Oth­er Pro­gram High­lights Include: Dis­cus­sion of the Mus­lim Brotherhood’s links to African-Amer­i­can Islamist ele­ments; Islamist con­nec­tions to the New Black Pan­thers; the gen­e­sis of Egypt­ian Pres­i­dent Nasser’s infat­u­a­tion with the Third Reich; Huber’s pro­fes­sion of the She­ha­da (belief in and adop­tion of Islam).

Kevin Coogan’s mag­num opus Dream­er of the Day can be obtained from Autono­me­dia. Vis­it their web­site at http://bookstore.autonomedia.org .


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