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FTR #406 Interview with John Loftus

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In this inter­view, John Lof­tus presents the account of his law­suit against Sami Al-Ari­an and two crit­i­cal events that grew out of that suit: the Oper­a­tion Green Quest raids of March 20, 2002, and the tril­lion-dol­lar law­suit against the Sau­di elite filed on behalf of the sur­vivors of vic­tims of 9/11. In addi­tion, John high­lights arti­cles from his web­site and points of infor­ma­tion from his books. Peo­ple inter­est­ed in the con­tin­u­ing ten­sion in the Mus­lim world will be fas­ci­nat­ed to hear the real­i­ties of “non-Wah­habi” Islam as recount­ed in the Hadith, the essen­tial body of Mus­lim lit­er­a­ture that sup­ple­ments the Koran. The con­clud­ing por­tion of the pro­gram fea­tures a cou­ple of cen­tral points of infor­ma­tion con­cern­ing the fates of Osama bin Laden and Sad­dam Hus­sein.

Pro­gram High­lights Include: Dis­cus­sion of the Bush family’s ties with the Thyssen-Borne­misza indus­tri­al empire; the sus­pi­cious death of the man­ag­er of the Dutch pres­i­dent of one of the banks that financed Thyssen-Borne­misza on behalf of the Nazis; the untime­ly demise of a Dutch reporter in 1996 when he went to inves­ti­gate the Bush/Thyssen-Borne­misza con­nec­tion; the Car­lyle group and its con­nec­tions to George Bush; the role of Enron in bro­ker­ing the Afghan pipeline deal that appears to have facil­i­tat­ed the 9/11 attacks; the strug­gle with­in the Bush admin­is­tra­tion between old reac­tionar­ies aligned with his father’s oil cronies and oth­ers who want to break with that polit­i­cal tra­di­tion; the Islamist links to Grover Norquist and the GOP; the con­tempt of Sau­di King Fahd for the Pales­tini­ans; the Sau­di fund­ing of the PLO; the dis­abling of Osama bin Laden through the use of a dial­y­sis machine that made him sick­er and jaundiced—unable to appear in pub­lic; the account of how Sad­dam Hus­sein was killed ear­ly in the Iraqi cam­paign; the tra­di­tion­al Mus­lim tol­er­ance for Jews, Chris­tians and women.

1. The pro­gram begins with an account of the law­suit that John filed against Sami Al-Ari­an. A Pales­tin­ian wide­ly alleged to have been a cen­tral fig­ure in anti-Israeli ter­ror­ism, Al-Ari­an has been a focal point of inves­ti­ga­tion for years—much of the infor­ma­tion about his activ­i­ties has been on the pub­lic record for a long time.

2. Fol­low­ing dis­cus­sion of the Al-Ari­an suit, the pro­gram high­lights the mag­nif­i­cent fol­low-up to that suit—the con­sum­mate­ly impor­tant Oper­a­tion Green Quest raids of March 20, 2002. As dis­cussed in FTR 357, it was the infor­ma­tion pro­vid­ed by John Lof­tus to fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors that pre­cip­i­tat­ed these raids. In this part of the pro­gram, John notes that George W. Bush is in a dif­fi­cult posi­tion. If the inves­ti­ga­tion were to go as far as it might, Bush would be in the posi­tion of see­ing his father indict­ed.

3. After help­ing to launch the Oper­a­tion Green Quest raids, John was instru­men­tal in forg­ing the legal coali­tion and pro­vid­ing the doc­u­men­tary under­pin­ning for the law­suit filed against pow­er­ful mem­bers of the Sau­di elite on behalf of the sur­vivors of vic­tims of the 9/11 raids. John is the intel­li­gence advis­er to that suit.

4. Next, the pro­gram high­lights the role of Enron in bro­ker­ing the Caspi­an Sea pipeline deal across Afghanistan. Accord­ing to John Lof­tus, Enron sought to evade bank­rupt­cy by bro­ker­ing the pipeline deal, with the Bin Laden fam­i­ly con­struc­tion firm being lined up for some of the con­struc­tion con­tracts. The avail­able evi­dence sug­gests that Mohammed Atef—Al Qaeda’s oper­a­tions chief—was aware of the nego­ti­a­tions and that this facil­i­tat­ed the 9/11 attacks.

5. Fur­ther devel­op­ing anoth­er arti­cle post­ed on John’s web site, the pro­gram reviews the Bush/Thyssen-Borne­misza bank­ing con­nec­tion. After dis­cussing the Webb-Parme­line law (a loop­hole in the anti-trust leg­is­la­tion that per­mit­ted Amer­i­can ‘Rob­ber Barons’ to form cartels—international monopolies—abroad), the broad­cast high­lights the Wall Street invest­ments in Ger­many and Italy. Of par­tic­u­lar inter­est in this regard are the pre­cip­i­tous deaths of the Dutch man­ag­er of the Bank Voor Han­del en Scheep­vart and a Dutch jour­nal­ist in 1996. Both deaths were high­ly sus­pi­cious and fol­lowed attempts at inves­ti­gat­ing the Bush/Thyssen/Third Reich con­nec­tion.

6. Sup­ple­ment­ing infor­ma­tion pre­sent­ed in FTR 362, the pro­gram high­lights the dif­fer­ences between Wah­habi­ism and Islam as pre­sent­ed in the Hadith—the impor­tant body of Mus­lim law com­piled in the wake of the Prophet Mohammed’s pass­ing. It is par­tic­u­lar­ly impor­tant to note that Islam is not anti-Semit­ic, anti-Chris­t­ian or anti-women’s rights. It is John’s view that as lit­er­a­cy spreads among the Mus­lim pop­u­la­tion, the over­ween­ing influ­ence of Wah­habi­ism will dimin­ish as grow­ing num­bers of Mus­lims learn to read the Hadith. The Wah­habi doc­trine has been brand­ed a heresy more than 60 times.

7. Next, John high­lights the Sau­di fund­ing of the Pales­tine Lib­er­a­tion Orga­ni­za­tion and Sau­di King Fahd’s hatred of the Pales­tin­ian peo­ple.

8. The pro­gram dis­cuss­es divi­sions with­in the Repub­li­can Par­ty about the Wah­habi influ­ence with­in the party—epitomized by Grover Norquist. Accord­ing to John, there is a war between lob­by­ists. Old-line reac­tionar­ies epit­o­mized by Norquist and peo­ple with a more pro­gres­sive out­look. John also notes the Bush/Bin Laden busi­ness con­nec­tions epit­o­mized by the Car­lyle Group.

9. The con­clud­ing por­tion of the broad­cast dis­cuss­es infor­ma­tion “hot off the press­es,” so to speak. Accord­ing to John’s intel­li­gence con­tacts, Osama bin Laden is jaun­diced and his face is yellow—the result of U.S. intel­li­gence hav­ing a rigged dial­y­sis machine that made him sick­er, rather than bet­ter. Jaun­dice is viewed as a Satan­ic afflic­tion in Islam, so he is now viewed as cursed. In the view­point of the intel­li­gence com­mu­ni­ty, this is bet­ter than bin Laden being killed (he would have become a mar­tyr) or cap­tured (invit­ing a ran­som-gen­er­at­ing retal­i­a­tion.)

10. Accord­ing to John’s intel­li­gence con­nec­tions, there does appear to be some infor­ma­tion link­ing North Kore­an nuclear capa­bil­i­ty with that of Iraq. Inter­est­ing­ly, North Korea sud­den­ly agreed to nego­ti­a­tions with the Bush admin­is­tra­tion in the imme­di­ate after­math of the war in Iraq and the con­fir­ma­tion of the Iraqi/North Kore­an nuclear link.

11. Last­ly, the pro­gram fea­tures infor­ma­tion about the fate of Sad­dam Hus­sein. Accord­ing to John’s intel­li­gence con­tacts, Sad­dam was killed dur­ing the open­ing phase of the war by a com­bi­na­tion of satel­lite-guid­ed muni­tions and cruise mis­siles direct­ed by laser-sight­ing tech­nol­o­gy. The cruise mis­siles were direct­ed down a “chim­ney” dug into the ceil­ing of Saddam’s bunker by the satel­lite-guid­ed muni­tions. The result­ing ther­mo­bar­ic shock killed Sad­dam Hus­sein.


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