Recorded August 7, 2005
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NB: This stream contains both FTR #s 520 and 521 in sequence. Each is a 30 minute broadcast.
As the title indicates, this broadcast highlights old and new stories about white supremacists and neo-Nazis. Beginning with coverage of the Atlanta child murders that dominated the news in 1980, the program sets forth information suggesting the possibility that Ku Klux Klansmen perpetrated the killings, not Wayne Williams (the African-American convicted of the killings.) Following the discussion of the Atlanta killings, the program discusses Nazi and white supremacist participation in the Minuteman project, in which paramilitary right-wingers patrolled a portion of the Mexican/Arizona border to block the entry of “illegal aliens.” Further developing For the Record’s on-going coverage of the Oklahoma City bombing, the broadcast sets forth the activities of Dave Holloway, a former Green Beret who assisted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh in perpetrating the act. Holloway was very active with a number of white supremacist organizations in the country.
Program Highlights Include: Holloway’s links with alleged Oklahoma City bombing mastermind Andreas Strassmeir; the participation of members of the National Alliance (publisher of The Turner Diaries) in the Minuteman operation; California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger’s endorsement of the Minuteman project; discussion of the use of paramilitary right-wingers as federal deputies in the event of a declaration of martial law.
1. Revisiting a news story that riveted the public attention for a period of time in 1980–1981, the broadcast highlights a recent new development in the case of the Atlanta child murders. (In 1980, 24 African-American children were murdered in Atlanta Georgia. Eventually, Wayne Williams—an African-American man—was convicted of two of the killings on the basis of flimsy evidence.) Renewed focus on the killings has focused on white supremacists, who may have committed the crimes in order to precipitate a race war in Atlanta, and perhaps beyond. (In that regard, one should not fail to note that the killings took place during an election year, and race riots would have benefited the Reagan/Bush ticket, by mobilizing “white backlash.”) For more on the Atlanta child murders and the tape discussed here, see FTR#164. “A white supremacist investigated for a child-killing spree that terrorized Atlanta’s black community once praised the crimes in secretly recorded conversations obtained by The Associated Press. Although Charles T. Sanders did not claim responsibility for any of the deaths, lawyers for Wayne Williams, the black man convicted in two of the murders and blamed for 22 others between 1979 and 1981, believe the evidence will help their bid for a new trial.”
(“Tapes May Link Ga. Killings, Supremacist” By Harry R. Weber [AP]; Yahoo.com; 8/5/06.)
2. “Sanders — whose older brother, Don, was a reputed officer of the Ku Klux Klan — told an informant for the Georgia Bureau of Investigation in the 1981 recording that the killer had ‘wiped out a thousand future generations of niggers.’ His only complaint was that the killings were prompting police road blocks. Police dropped the probe into the Klan’s possible involvement after seven weeks, when Sanders and two of his brothers passed lie-detector tests, according to documents released this week to the AP following an open-records request.” (Idem.)
3. “The 315 pages of documents show the investigation started after a source told police that Sanders said the KKK ‘was creating an uprising among the blacks, that they were killing the children, that they are going to do one each month until things blow up.’ The source also told police that Sanders had threatened to strangle one of the children, Lubie Geter, because Geter ran into Sanders’ car with a go-cart. Geter was later strangled, and Williams was blamed for his death though never charged.” (Idem.)
4. “Williams has long contended that he was framed and that Atlanta officials covered up evidence that the Klan was involved in the killings to avoid a race war in the city. His lawyers believe the materials released to the AP and other evidence they are seeking will help him get a new trial. They say the investigation into the Klan was withheld from Williams’ defense.” (Idem)
5. “‘There is no doubt that evidence in the hands of the defense and the jury would have at the very least created reasonable doubt at Wayne’s trial,’ said Williams lawyer Michael Lee Jackson. Transcripts of multiple wiretapped conversations involving the Sanders family were not released, and authorities won’t say if there were any admissions in those talks.” (Idem.)
6. “In May, the police chief in neighboring DeKalb County, who assisted with the original investigations, said he was reopening the investigation of five of the deaths. Sanders, brothers Jerry and Don, and their father, Carlton Sanders, are dead, according to relatives. Reached by telephone Friday, another brother, Ricky Sanders, declined to comment.” (Idem)
7. Next, the program tackles the issue of the “Minuteman Project”—a paramilitary operation enlisting a volunteer corps to patrol a section of the Mexican-US border against the entry of illegal immigrants. Although the [largely favorable] press coverage of the event took denials of white supremacist participation by the event’s organizers at face value, in fact the Minutemen featured significant Nazi and white supremacist participation. Perhaps most significantly, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger endorsed the project. (For more about Schwarzenegger’s Nazi antecedents, see FTR#’s 421, 422, 434, 436, 492.) During the course of the supplemental discussion, Mr. Emory notes that the martial law contingency plans drawn up during the 1980’s by Ronald Reagan’s national security council entailed the deputation of paramilitary right wingers and their use as federal agents in the event of a major crisis that the military didn’t have the resources to handle. (For more about those martial law contingency plans, see—among other programs—RFA#32, available from Spitfire.) With the military stretched to the breaking point with the deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, the possibility of the realization of the deputation/martial law plans conceived by the Reagan administration should not be too readily dismissed. “Members of the Minuteman Project—the armed group that patrolled a 23-mile strip of the Arizona-Mexico border throughout the month of April—have gone home, but they are promising to return with ‘ten of thousands’ more border volunteers in October. If they do return they may be carrying California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger’s endorsement with them. Last week the Governator told a Los Angeles radio station that the Minutemen had done a ‘terrific job’ and that they were welcome to come to California.”
(“The Minutemen and the Media” By Bill Berkowitz; Online Journal; 5/10/2005; p. 1.)
8. “During the run-up to the month-long patrol, Lou Dobbs, the host of CNN’s ‘Lou Dobbs Tonight’ gave the Minutemen ‘millions in free publicity, plugging it for weeks and turning over large segments of his air time to directly promoting the project,’ Marc Cooper, a contributing editor of The Nation and a columnist for LA. Weekly, told AlterNet. And a May 2 Christian Science Monitor round-up piece on the Minuteman Project gave the group a generally favorable review, while ignoring the controversial links of Minuteman Project participants to radical right wing organizations.” (Idem)
9. “With dozens of television reporters on hand and satellite trucks in tow, the media swarmed the area hunting video that might knock the Michael Jackson trial, the missing wife-to-be case and/or any boy-down-the-well stories out of the lead position on local and national newscasts. Hundreds of armed white men hanging out in the desert waiting for Mexican Immigrants to cross the border had ‘if it bleeds, it leads’ potential.” (Idem)
10. Among the groups participating with the Minuteman project is the National Alliance, whose publishing arm issued both The Turner Diaries and Serpent’s Walk. In both of those books, Nazi elements associated with the Underground Reich gain control of the United States after the country is devastated by a series of terrorist incidents using weapons of mass destruction. Martial law is declared and the Nazis takeover what is left of America. Of course, that’s just fiction. We know that nothing like that could ever happen in real life, don’t we?! In that context, it is also important to know that the Third Reich mobilized local criminal elements in order to handle the liquidations on the Eastern Front during World War II, as the use of regular military units taxed the resources of the Wehrmacht beyond its operational limits. “According to a Southern Poverty Law Center report, on April 2, the Minuteman Project ‘held a protest across the street from the U.S. Border Patrol headquarters in Naco, Ariz. Prominent among the demonstrators were two men who confided that they were members of the Phoenix chapter of the National Alliance ... the largest neo-Nazi group in America. One of the two, who sat in lawn chairs throughout, held a sign with arrows depicting invading armies of people from Mexico—a sign identical to National Alliance billboards and pamphlets, except without the Alliance logo.’” (Idem)
11. “During the run-up to the demonstration, Shaun Walker, a National Alliance official told a reporter that they weren’t ‘going to show up as a group and say, ‘Hi, we’re the National Alliance.’ But we have members . . . that will participate.’ In fact,’ the SPLC reported, ‘National Alliance pamphlets were distributed in Tombstone and [Naco], this predominantly Hispanic community just two days before the Minuteman Project got going. ‘Non-Whites are turning America into a Third World slum,’ they read. ‘They come for welfare or to take our jobs. Let’s send them home now.’’ (Ibid.; pp. 1–2.)
12. “But despite the presence of known white supremacists, the mainstream media generally gave the Project a pass. WorkingForChange asked Mark Potok, the director of the Intelligence Project, of the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization monitoring hate groups, about the media coverage of the Minuteman Project, the group’s right wing connections and Gov. Schwarzenegger’s endorsement.” (Ibid.; p. 2.)
13. “WORKING FOR CHANGE: Could you give your general assessment of the mainstream media’s coverage of the Minuteman Project.
MARK POTOK: As a general matter, the media did an exceedingly poor job of covering the Minuteman Project. The organizers said they were bringing in excess of 1,300 volunteers to Arizona, but brought significantly fewer than 300. They claimed the volunteers were being vetted for possible white supremacists by the FBI—only to have the FBI completely deny that this was the case. They said the only people who would carry guns would be those with conceal-carry permits. In fact, almost no one was checked for permits. Almost none of this was noted in most mainstream press accounts—accounts that in many cases were completely uncritical, even adulatory, in their treatment of the Minutemen.” (Idem)
14. “Most important of all, the organizers of the Minuteman Project claimed that they would be keeping out white supremacists and other racists through their vetting process. In fact, there were at least six men participating who were members of the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group whose members have been involved in crimes including assassination, shootouts with police, the machine-gun murder of a Jewish talk show host, bank robberies, plots to bomb Disney World and more. At least two of these men actually discussed setting up sniper positions along the border sometime in the near future. In addition, there was at least one member of the Aryan Nations, another major neo-Nazi group, participating in the Minuteman Project. No mainstream press account mentioned any of this.” (Idem)
15. “Most press accounts ignored the bigoted past statements of organizer Chris Simcox, and almost all uncritically accepted self-congratulatory and inaccurate assessments from Simcox and co-organizer Jim Gilchrist. They also suggested, in many cases, that the Project had ‘shut down’ some 20 miles of the border to illegal immigration; in fact, they only operated along a stretch of some two miles. One press account also described Project volunteer Jim McCutchen in flattering terms in a lengthy profile; completely ignored were McCutchen’s anti-Semitism and his contacts with the white supremacist hate group Council of Conservative Citizens, which has described blacks as a ‘retrograde species of humanity.’ Overall, I think the blandly positive tone of the press coverage has contributed to similar efforts that are springing up elsewhere—not to mention California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s description of the Project as a great thing that should be emulated.’ . . . .” (Ibid.; pp. 2–3.)
16. The broadcast concludes with discussion of a former Green Beret who appears to have played a critical role in the Oklahoma City bombing. In addition, Dave Holloway has been very active with other domestic white supremacist groups. The standard conspiracist interpretation of this would be that Holloway was a government agent out to betray the white supremacist movement. Another possibility (one advocated by Mr. Emory) is that Holloway may well be working for the Underground Reich in order to facilitate the takeover of the United States by Nazi cadre. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the racist right turned on the United States. The racist elements who have done so include elements associated with the National Security Establishment. Exemplifying this dynamic is the late Dr. Larry Ford, who viewed The Turner Diaries as his operational blueprint. (For more about Ford, see—among other programs—FTR#’s 317, 456.) (For more about the Oklahoma City bombing, see—among other programs—FTR#’s 88, 97, 109, 228, 373, 380, 386, 405, 443, 450. For more about the links between the Oklahoma City attack and the first World Trade Center attack, see, among other programs, FTR#’s 330, 354, 357, 386, 443. For more about the Oklahoma City bombing and its links to 9/11, see FTR#’s 443, 456, 457.) “An FBI report of investigation (FD 302) obtained by this newspaper contains never-before-published information and allegations regarding links between a former member of the Army’s elite special forces, Timothy McVeigh, and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. The man at the center of these revelations is David Michael Alexander Hollaway, an individual whose life experiences appear to be as unusual as they are conflicted. Referred to as ‘Dave’ by his friends and business associates, the 48-year-old man who is the focus of the report served an 8‑year stint in the U.S. Army where Hollaway earned the right to wear the elite Green Berets. Also included in that same report of investigation are references to Hollaway’s lengthy service to Kirk Lyons, a Black Mountain, N.C., lawyer with a long history of representing members of the Ku Klux Klan, the Branch Davidians and other fringe elements. And then there is Hollaway’s alleged role as a pilot for the CIA and his well-established relationship with the FBI. However, the most remarkable allegations contained in the Feb. 25, 1997, FBI report, are those regarding Hollaway’s eerie admissions that McVeigh failed to park the bomb truck in the best location in front of the Oklahoma City federal building that fateful April morning in 1995.”
(“FBI Document Links Former Green Beret to McVeigh, Bombing” By J.D. Cash and Lt. Col. Roger Charles, [U.S. Marine Corps, retired]; McCurtain Daily Gazette; 7/20/05; p. 1.)
17. “The information contained in the report was provided by a person whose name and relationship to the FBI were redacted from the ‘302’ to protect his identity. The statements and admissions attributed to Hollaway are reported to have been made over a three-day period during an underwater technologies convention in Houston, TX. The confidential source for the report was debriefed by a special agent for the FBI on Feb. 24 and 25, 1997. After eight years in the Army, Hollaway told the source that he flew an airplane for the CIA for a period of two years before settling down, marrying his wife and forming an affiliation with some of the most virulent and violent members of the far right in this country.” (Idem.)
18. “After the service, Hollaway said he worked for two years with the Corpus Christi police department as a diver. The well-educated Hollaway is believed to have earned a B.S. in aviation engineering and a B.S. in molecular biology after his stint in the Army. So how did Hollaway become a negotiator for the government in cases involving the radical right? And what brought Hollaway into contact with McVeigh?” (Idem)
19. “Central to the FBI’s report from their source are detailed allegations concerning statements attributed to Hollaway about his remarkably detailed knowledge of explosives and his precise knowledge of facts concerning the OKC bombing. ‘While describing the Oklahoma City bombing, Hollaway was able to provide technical details concerning the truck bomb and ANFO (ammonium nitrate/fuel oil) to include its blast over-pressure, fragmentation distances and deflagration with an alarming degree of specificity,’ the source told the FBI.” (Idem)
20. “Additionally, changes in Hollaway’s body language while describing the Oklahoma City bombing, to include the rolling of his eyes when describing the truck not being parked in a place to wreak maximum destruction, provided the indication that Hollaway was attempting to indicate an involvement on his part in that bombing without verbally acknowledging participation.’ (emphasis added). An exact copy of the redacted FBI 302 about Hollaway may be found on this newspaper’s website at: http://www.mccurtain.com” (Ibid.; pp. 1–2.)
21. One of the white supremacists with whom Hollaway worked is Kirk Lyons. For more about Lyons, see the programs about the Oklahoma City bombing linked above. For more precise location of information about Hollaway, use the Spitfire search function. “The FBI report notes that, ‘At one point during their discussions, Hollaway admitted to have spoken to Timothy McVeigh on the telephone two days before the detonation of the truck bomb outside the Oklahoma City federal building. In reference to that particular event, Hollaway stated, ‘The f—ing truck was too far away,’ and indicated it was not parked in the position which would inflict most damage on the building.’ Asked for Hollaway’s reaction to the document, Hollaway’s attorney Kirk Lyons said Tuesday: ‘Hollaway has never met or talked to McVeigh.’” (Ibid.; p. 2.)
22. Hollaway also worked very closely with Andreas Strassmeir, the son of Helmur Kohl’s former chief of staff, Gunther. Gunther was the architecht of German reunification and the son of one of the charter members of the Nazi party under Hitler. For more about Andreas Strassmeir, alleged to be the mastermind of the Oklahoma City bombing, see the program numbers cited above, in addition to using the Spitfire search function. Strassmeir is almost certainly a member of the Underground Reich. “No stranger to OKBOMB saga, Hollaway has been a peripheral figure whose name has come up a number of times in news accounts focusing on the Oklahoma City bombing and some of the leading figures associated with the investigation. This newspaper first reported in early 1996 that Hollaway was the man who spirited former paramilitary instructor at Elohim City, Andreas Carl Strassmeir, also known as ‘Andy the German,’ out of the United States to Berlin after the newspaper revealed Strassmeir’s links to McVeigh.” (Idem)
23. “Kirk Lyons is often referred to as the lawyer for American Klansmen. Among clients he has represented is Louis Beam, the former Grand Dragon the Texas KKK and a legendary figure in the Aryan Nations movement. Once a person listed among the FBI’s ‘Top Ten Most Wanted,’ Beam was captured in the mid-SOS in Mexico by a team of Mexican police and FBI agents. The arrest was not without incident. Beam’s young wife, Sheila, was arrested in the melee for allegedly shooting one of the Mexican policemen. Beam was quickly whisked to the U.S. to stand trial for his alleged role in a wide-ranging conspiracy to overthrow the federal government. His attractive and youthful blonde wife remained behind in a dingy Mexican jail, awaiting an uncertain future.” (Idem.)
24. “At the conclusion of the much-publicized Fort Smith, Ark., sedition trial, the nation was shocked when Beam and 13 codefendants were found innocent of all counts against them. Lyons was Beam’s advisor at the trial. What is little recalled, though, was the remarkable project pu
lled off by Lyons’ associate, Dave Hollaway. Set forth in a FBI 302 dated 8/13/96 (and confirmed by Louis Beam to reporter J.D. Cash during an interview at Lake Tahoe, Nev. in April, 1996), it was Hollaway who convinced the Mexican government to release Sheila Beam and let her leave the country without a trial. Also contained in the 8/13/96 FBI 302 are admissions by Hollaway to FBI agent Herbert C. Hoover Jr. that he and former roommate Strassmeir claimed to have McVeigh’s military fatigue jacket in their possession after the bombing.” (Idem)
25. “Strassmeir and Hollaway shared an apartment in Texas in the late-1980s. While Hollaway was involved in the computer business in Austin with Beam, Strassmeir — an illegal overstay on his visa — joined an outfit in Austin, Texas, called the Texas Light Infantry (TLI). The TLI was a paramilitary group set up originally by Lyons and Hollaway. The press was told TLI members were civil war rein-actors. The man in the shadows of the group was Klansman Beam. By 1990, the FBI had enough proof of a criminal conspiracy involving weapons violations and bomb-making by members of the TLI that the agency went forward with a formal criminal investigation into the group. Contained in an unclassified teletype from the FBI’s San Antonio office to the director of the FBI, the transmittal includes the following information involving the ‘Texas Light Infantry, AKA ‘The Order.’’ (Idem)
26. “Defining the group’s membership as ‘... a white separatist-survivalist group,’ the FBI reported to the director the agency had completed an inspection of a Texas ranch where some of the members had allegedly set off pipe bombs. Additionally, the teletype said, ‘Due to specific threats to FBI personnel, and subjects’ continued possessions of weapons and explosives, subjects are considered armed and dangerous. Full investigation authorized July 17, 1990, extended to expire July 11, 1991.’ Two former members of the TLI told this newspaper in 1996 that they fled Texas as a result of pressure this investigation produced. Both men (interviewed separately) said they suspected Strassmeir was the government’s source for the information that caused them to abandon the group and leave the state.” (Ibid.; pp. 2–3.)
27. “With Strassmeir ordered to leave the TLI by the harried remnants of the TLI, in August of 1992 the Bundeswehr officer with extensive training from a German military academy was relocated to Elohim City by his American benefactors Lyons and Hollaway. Lyons had lived at Elohim City during the Fort Smith sedition trials. Hollaway had married one of the group’s young girls. With their recommendations, Strassmeir was quickly accepted at the Christian Identity compound. Soon Strassmeir would persuade the faithful to sell their deer rifles and let him supply them with cheap, Chinese- made assault weapons. An undercover operation conducted by a member of the Oklahoma TAC team said Strassmeir quickly began supplying weapons and explosives to the group. By 1994 the officer noted that Strassmeir was leading groups of skinheads from around the U.S. in paramilitary drills. . . .” (Ibid.; p. 3.)
28. “ . . . An informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF), Carol Howe warned her superiors prior to the bombing that Strassmeir wanted to bomb federal buildings. In an appeal for contributions, Lyons sent out the following description of the events that led to Strassmeir’s flight from justice. After blaming the McVeigh defense team and irresponsible members of the media for stirring up trouble, Lyons wrote: ‘First, Strassmeir had to be spirited out of the country before Jones and company could get their hands on him.’” (Idem)
29. “‘Also, there was the danger the FBI might take Jones seriously and it would be much easier to defend Strassmeir from Germany than from the inside of a federal facility. This required a clandestine and circuitous route through Mexico, Paris, Frankfurt and Berlin, with numerous investigators, agents and process servers one-step behind. ‘Next, Associate Director Dave Hollaway had to go with him; there were numerous obstacles which developed and had to be overcome; language barriers, entanglements with four countries’ border and immigration services, security, etc. At one point the Kriminal Polizei and Bundes Grenschutzgruppen 9 (GSG‑9) were involved because of death threats against Strassmeir and his family passed to them through Interpol by the FBI. Hollaway thought the whole episode was right out of ‘Secret Agent Man,’ a campy 1960s television spy series.’ . . .” (Idem)
30. In the context of undercover agents and infiltrators, it is important not to oversimplify. A number of undercover operatives are sociopaths. They are not “on anybody’s side”—they are strictly out for “number one.”
Here is a link to an interview with Frazier Glenn Cross AKA Glen Miller, the klansman who was ‘allegedly’ responsible for the 3 recent killings in the Kansas City Jewish centers. In it Cross makes known his fondness for Ron Paul & Pat Buchanan.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/04/frazier-glenn-miller-interview-tea-party-ron-paul-obama-kansas
Also, it appears Cross was a popular guy in his home town of Marionville, Mo, where the mayor agrees with his views.
http://gawker.com/missouri-mayor-kind-of-agrees-with-alleged-kansas-sho-1563872386
Missouri Mayor “Kind of Agrees” With Alleged Kansas Shooter About Jews
Taylor Berman
Missouri Mayor “Kind of Agrees” With Alleged Kansas Shooter About Jews1Expand
As it turns out, Frazier Glenn Miller, the former Ku Klux Klan leader who allegedly shot three people to death at two Kansas Jewish centers on Sunday, was sort of a popular guy. In fact, the mayor of Marionville, Mo., near where Miller used to live, considers the white supremacist a friend.
“He was always nice and friendly and respectful of elder people, you know, he respected his elders greatly,” Dan Clevenger told KSPR, laughing. “As long as they were the same color as him. [He was] very fair and honest and never had a bit of problems out of him.”
Clevenger later added that he “kind of agreed with [Miller] on somethings but I don’t like to express that too much.”
What kind of things do the two agree about, you ask? Clevenger elaborated to KSPR.
“There some things that are going on in this country that are destroying us. We’ve got a false economy and it’s, some of those corporations are run by Jews because the names are there,” he said. “The fact that the Federal Reserve prints up phony money and freely hands it out, I think that’s completely wrong. The people that run the Federal Reserve, they’re Jewish.”
Oh.
This is not the first time Clevenger has publicly supported Miller’s anti-semitism. KSPR unearthed a letter he sent nearly ten years ago to the Aurora Advertiser, in which the mayor endorsed Miller.
“I am a friend of Frazier Miller helping to spread his warnings,” wrote Clevenger. “The Jew-run medical industry has succeeded in destroying the United State’s workforce.”
The letter continued.
“Made a few Jews rich by killin’ us off.”
He also spoke of the “Jew-run government backed banking industry turned the U.S into the world’s largest debtor nation.”
Clevenger, who also owns a local repair shop, was just elected mayor of Marionville last Tuesday. It seems unlikely he’ll hold the position for much longer.