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FTR #577 Truth and Consequences—Interview with Ed Haslam and Daniel Hopsicker

Record­ed Novem­ber 19, 2006

Lis­ten: MP3  Side 1  Side 2


Intro­duc­tion: Observ­ing the 43rd anniver­sary of Pres­i­dent Kennedy’s assas­si­na­tion, this pro­gram fea­tures two guests who have pur­sued dif­fer­ent inves­tiga­tive path­ways, both of which began with the per­son­al and pro­fes­sion­al asso­ci­a­tions of David Fer­rie in New Orleans. (David Fer­rie was the ini­tial focal point of New Orleans Dis­trict Attor­ney Jim Garrison’s inves­ti­ga­tion into the Kennedy killing. Fer­rie was also cit­ed by the House Select Com­mit­tee on Assas­si­na­tions as a fig­ure wor­thy of inves­ti­ga­tion by the Jus­tice Depart­ment.)

Ed Haslam’s inves­ti­ga­tion into Ferrie’s activ­i­ties led him to research an under­ground med­ical lab­o­ra­to­ry involved in study­ing a can­cer-caus­ing mon­key virus that con­t­a­m­i­nat­ed the polio vac­cine. Daniel Hop­sick­er inves­ti­gat­ed Bar­ry Seal, a CIA oper­a­tive and the most pro­lif­ic drug smug­gler in U.S. his­to­ry. Seal got his start in gov­ern­ment ser­vice as a mem­ber of David Ferrie’s Civ­il Air Patrol unit in New Orleans. (Lee Har­vey Oswald was anoth­er mem­ber of the unit.) The fun­da­men­tal theme of the pro­gram con­cerns the need to address major ill­ness­es on, or in, the body politic. Fail­ure to do so can lead to major problems—a soft-tis­sue can­cer epi­dem­ic, an epi­dem­ic of drug addic­tion, and even 9/11.

Pro­gram High­lights Include: Oswald’s links to orga­nized crime in the New Orleans area; Oswald’s links to a woman named Judith Vary Bak­er, who dat­ed Oswald; Baker’s work with David Fer­rie turn­ing can­cer-caus­ing mon­key virus­es into a bio­log­i­cal weapon to assas­si­nate Fidel Cas­tro; Ferrie’s skills as a hyp­no­tist; Bar­ry Seal’s prob­a­ble role as the pilot of a get­away plane car­ry­ing JFK shoot­ers to safe­ty; the Bob­by Bak­er scan­dal in the admin­is­tra­tion of LBJ; Colonel Dan Marvin’s attempt­ed recruit­ment to kill a Navy offi­cer involved in the autop­sy of Pres­i­dent Kennedy.

1. Begin­ning with the theme of the pro­gram, Mr. Emory opens the broad­cast by not­ing that, when a soci­ety ignores a major wound on the body politic (in this case the assas­si­na­tion of Pres­i­dent Kennedy), it can lead to mem­bers of that soci­ety get­ting can­cer from a mon­key virus that con­t­a­m­i­nates vac­cines and/or peo­ple with “mon­keys on their back” because of nar­cotics brought into the coun­try with the col­lu­sion of mem­bers of the gov­ern­ment. Because JFK’s mur­der was not prop­er­ly inves­ti­gat­ed, the can­cer-caus­ing SV-40 mon­key virus con­tin­ued to con­t­a­m­i­nate vac­cines and to be sex­u­al­ly-trans­mit­ted, result­ing in an epi­dem­ic of soft-tis­sue can­cers. Because JFK’s mur­der was not prop­er­ly inves­ti­gat­ed, the ele­ments of the intel­li­gence com­mu­ni­ty that col­lab­o­rat­ed with orga­nized crime and traf­ficked in drugs have pro­ceed­ed unin­ter­rupt­ed.

2. Next, Ed Haslam not­ed that the vast major­i­ty of the Amer­i­can pub­lic does not believe the War­ren Report. In the imme­di­ate after­math of the assas­si­na­tion, polls indi­cat­ed that 32% of the Amer­i­can peo­ple believed that Lee Har­vey Oswald com­mit­ted the crime alone and unaid­ed. After the War­ren Report that per­cent­age jumped to 37%. The point Ed makes is that only the gov­ern­ment and the media real­ly believe the War­ren Report. (For more about Ed Haslam, see—among oth­er programs—FTR#’s 16, 19, 62, 63, 76, 198, 269, 557.)

3. Although Ed’s inves­ti­ga­tion of an under­ground med­ical lab­o­ra­to­ry and the SV-40-gen­er­at­ed soft-tis­sue can­cer epi­dem­ic is rad­i­cal­ly dif­fer­ent from, and a long way removed from, Daniel Hopsicker’s inves­ti­ga­tion of the life, career and pro­fes­sion­al asso­ci­a­tions of Bar­ry Seal, a CIA offi­cer and the largest drug smug­gler in U.S. his­to­ry. And yet, the inves­tiga­tive path­ways fol­lowed by both men began with inves­ti­ga­tions of the asso­ci­a­tions of David Fer­rie, a career U.S. intel­li­gence agent, par­tic­i­pant in the assas­si­na­tion of Pres­i­dent Kennedy and the first focal point of Jim Garrison’s inves­ti­ga­tion of Kennedy’s mur­der.

4. Bar­ry Seal began his career in U.S. intel­li­gence work­ing for the Civ­il Air Patrol unit com­mand­ed by David Fer­rie. Lee Har­vey Oswald was a mem­ber of the same unit. Daniel relat­ed infor­ma­tion set forth in Bar­ry and the Boys indi­cat­ing that Fer­rie had been prac­tic­ing hyp­no­sis on the boys in his unit. When one of them seri­ous­ly cut his hand dur­ing a drill, Fer­rie extend­ed his arm and sug­gest­ed that the fel­low would feel no pain and that the bleed­ing would prompt­ly stop. That the sub­ject respond­ed quick­ly and pos­i­tive­ly indi­cates that he had been hyp­no­tized by Fer­rie on numer­ous occa­sions. (Fer­rie was a mas­ter hyp­no­tist.)

5. After Mr. Emory not­ed that Bar­ry Seal was fly­ing covert mis­sions car­ry­ing arms and pos­si­bly drugs while he was still in high school, the top­ic of dis­cus­sion turned to the prob­a­bil­i­ty that Bar­ry Seal had flown a get­away plane out of Dal­las on 11/22/1963. Mr. Emory’s guests added that it was com­mon knowl­edge in cer­tain cir­cles that there had been a get­away plane on that fate­ful day. For more about this, see FTR#’s 288, 503.

6. Next, Ed Haslam not­ed that the links between orga­nized crime and the polit­i­cal estab­lish­ment were already pro­found on 11/22/1963. In that con­text, Ed not­ed that Lee Har­vey Oswald reg­u­lar­ly dined at restau­rants owned by Car­los Mar­cel­lo, the mafia boss of New Orleans. Oswald would mere­ly walk out with a know­ing look and ges­ture and-voila!-he didn’t have to pay.

7. Sup­ple­ment­ing Ed’s dis­cus­sion of SV-40, Mr. Emory summed up the way in which the virus caus­es can­cer. For more about this, see—among oth­er programs—FTR#199.

8. Among the major points of dis­cus­sion, one of the most impor­tant (and new) top­ics was a woman named Judith Vary Bak­er, who not only dat­ed Lee Har­vey Oswald, but worked with him at the Reil­ly Cof­fee Com­pa­ny. [Mr. Emory not­ed that the Reil­ly Cof­fee Com­pa­ny was owned by a finan­cial backer of the anti-Cas­tro Cuban exile com­mu­ni­ty in New Orleans. It seems more than a lit­tle strange that he would be sup­port­ive of Oswald, who was osten­si­bly a backer of Cas­tro.] Ed dis­closed that Ms. Bak­er was work­ing with David Fer­rie on a project to devel­op the can­cer-caus­ing mon­key virus­es into a bio­log­i­cal weapon to assas­si­nate Fidel Cas­tro. It should be not­ed that, as Ed men­tions, Ms. Bak­er has been the focal point of dis­in­for­ma­tion on the Inter­net.

9. The pro­gram began its con­clu­sion with Ed relat­ing an anec­dote about the Bob­by Bak­er scan­dal from the ear­ly 1960’s. [The Bob­by Bak­er scan­dal over­lapped the inves­ti­ga­tion into the Kennedy assas­si­na­tion.]

10. Mr. Emory not­ed the evi­den­tiary and his­tor­i­cal trib­u­taries that extend for­ward from Bar­ry Seal’s work in David Ferrie’s Civ­il Air Patrol unit to the drug-smug­gling milieu through which Mohamed Atta and com­pa­ny infil­trat­ed into the Unit­ed States. Mr. Emory edi­to­ri­al­ized that peo­ple might not care about the Kennedy assas­si­na­tion, but the fail­ure to address the polit­i­cal real­i­ties inher­ent in that killing can lead to events such as 9/11. (For more about the evi­den­tiary and his­tor­i­cal trib­u­taries con­nect­ing the milieu of Bar­ry Seal to the milieu of 9/11, see—among oth­er programs—FTR#’s 482, 483, 484.)

11. Ed Haslam recount­ed the sto­ry of Colonel Dan Mar­vin, recruit­ed to mur­der one of the fig­ures involved in JFK’s autop­sy. For more about Colonel Marvin’s odyssey, see FTR#8.

12. Be sure to vis­it Daniel Hopsicker’s web­site: www.madcowprod.com, as well as Ed Haslam’s site: doctormarysmonkey.com/index.htm. For more infor­ma­tion about the Kennedy assas­si­na­tion and Jim Garrison’s inves­ti­ga­tion into that crime, see—among oth­er programs—FTR#’s 19, 47, 190, 253, 288, as well as the Guns of Novem­ber, avail­able from SPITFIRE.


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