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FTR #597 Interview with Ed Haslam about Dr. Mary’s Monkey

Record­ed May 13, 2007
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Intro­duc­tion: For a num­ber of years, author Ed Haslam has researched the activ­i­ties of a num­ber of some promi­nent med­ical pro­fes­sion­als in New Orleans in the 1960’s, and con­nect­ed their endeav­ors with research on can­cer-caus­ing mon­key virus­es and (pos­si­bly) the devel­op­ment of AIDS. Fur­ther­more, the indi­vid­u­als Ed inves­ti­gat­ed were part of the milieu in which Lee Har­vey Oswald exist­ed dur­ing his stay in the Cres­cent City in the months before the assas­si­na­tion of Pres­i­dent Kennedy. After review­ing the careers of Dr’s Alton Ochsner and Mary Sher­man and the con­t­a­m­i­na­tion of the polio vac­cine with the can­cer-caus­ing mon­key virus SV-40, Ed sets forth new infor­ma­tion about the links between that New Orleans med­ical milieu, the covert oper­a­tions being con­duct­ed against Fidel Cas­tro, the devel­op­ment of a bio­log­i­cal weapon to kill the Cuban dic­ta­tor and the assas­si­na­tion of Pres­i­dent Kennedy. One of the med­ical pro­fes­sion­als involved with Dr’s Sher­man and Ochsner was a young can­cer researcher named Judyth Vary. A med­ical prodi­gy with a seem­ing­ly promis­ing career ahead of her, Judyth was enlist­ed by Dr’s Ochsner and Sher­man to devel­op a bio­log­i­cal war­fare weapon with which to kill Cas­tro. This effort, in turn, was a spin-off from a project involv­ing the use of a lin­ear par­ti­cle accel­er­a­tor to mutate the SV-40 mon­key virus–this in an attempt to devel­op a vac­cine to pre­vent a can­cer epi­dem­ic. Employed along­side Oswald at the Reil­ly Cof­fee Com­pa­ny in New Orleans, Judyth even­tu­al­ly had an affair with Oswald. Two days before Pres­i­dent Kennedy was mur­dered, Oswald told Judyth that there was going to be an attempt to kill the Pres­i­dent on Fri­day, 11/22, and Lee head­ed to Dal­las in an effort to head off the assas­si­na­tion. The rest, as they say, is his­to­ry. Oswald was framed for the assas­si­na­tion and the truth about that event, as well as the under­ground med­ical activ­i­ties in New Orleans was eclipsed.

Pro­gram High­lights Include: [New Orleans DA Jim] Gar­ri­son sus­pect David Ferrie’s col­lab­o­ra­tion with Judyth Vary Bak­er, Mary Sher­man and Lee Har­vey Oswald in the attempt to devel­op the bio­log­i­cal weapon intend­ed for Castro’s assas­si­na­tion; the test­ing of that weapon on an unsus­pect­ing inmate from Louisiana’s noto­ri­ous Ango­la prison (who died short­ly after­ward); the protests lodged against this lethal exper­i­men­ta­tion by both Judyth Vary Bak­er and Dr. Mary Sher­man; Oswald’s pro­found con­nec­tions to the orga­nized crime empire of New Orleans Mafia boss Car­los Mar­cel­lo; the links between William Reil­ly, Alton Ochsner and the anti-Cas­tro Cuban milieu in the Cres­cent City; review of the role of David Fer­rie in Jim Garrison’s inves­ti­ga­tion of JFK’s mur­der; Reilly’s use of for­mer FBI agents as hir­ing super­vi­sors in his com­pa­ny.

1. A good por­tion of the pro­gram con­sists of review of the basics of Ed’s first book, Mary, Fer­rie and the Mon­key Virus: The Sto­ry of an Under­ground Med­ical Lab­o­ra­to­ry. A syn­op­sis of the book is con­tained in the descrip­tion for FTR#19. “Researcher Ed Haslam authored a remark­able book enti­tled Mary, Fer­rie and the Mon­key Virus: The Sto­ry of an Under­ground Med­ical Lab­o­ra­to­ry (soft-cov­er, Wordsworth Press, copy­right 1995.) In this pen­e­trat­ing work, Haslam devel­ops fas­ci­nat­ing con­nec­tions between the milieu appar­ent­ly involved with the assas­si­na­tion of Pres­i­dent Kennedy and med­ical research that may have been con­nect­ed to a soft-tis­sue can­cer epi­dem­ic that is sweep­ing the Unit­ed States. In addi­tion, this med­ical research may have led to the acci­den­tal or delib­er­ate cre­ation of AIDS. This six-part inter­view presents an exten­sive and detailed view of Haslam’s argu­ment. The cen­tral fig­ure in the book is Dr. Mary Sher­man, one of the most impor­tant (and sad­ly neglect­ed) fig­ures in post-World War II Amer­i­can med­i­cine. Pri­or to her mur­der in 1964, Sher­man was involved in a clan­des­tine med­ical lab­o­ra­to­ry in New Orleans, that also employed right-wing polit­i­cal extrem­ist and U.S. intel­li­gence oper­a­tive David Fer­rie — the cen­tral fig­ure in New Orleans Dis­trict Attor­ney Jim Garrison’s inves­ti­ga­tion of the Kennedy assas­si­na­tion. The cen­tral focus of the work per­formed in this lab­o­ra­to­ry was can­cer research—specifically, the inject­ing of mice with mon­key virus­es to deter­mine if the virus­es cause can­cer. Haslam skill­ful­ly devel­ops con­nec­tions between Fer­rie, the lab­o­ra­to­ry, Mary Sher­man, the Guy Ban­nis­ter detec­tive agency (an appar­ent intel­li­gence front that is wide­ly believed to have fig­ured in Pres­i­dent Kennedy’s assas­si­na­tion) and Dr. Alton Ochsner, a very pow­er­ful fig­ure in Amer­i­can med­i­cine and pol­i­tics. Ochsner was the head of a right-wing pro­pa­gan­da out­fit and pos­si­ble intel­li­gence front called “The Infor­ma­tion Coun­cil for the Amer­i­c­as,” or INCA, that record­ed inter­views with Lee Har­vey Oswald, in which Oswald pro­claims his Marx­ist sym­pa­thies. This inter­view received much pub­lic­i­ty in the wake of Pres­i­dent Kennedy’s assas­si­na­tion and con­vinced many Amer­i­cans that com­mu­nists were respon­si­ble for the assas­si­na­tion. Many researchers believe that this per­cep­tion con­tributed to the offi­cial cov­er-up of the assas­si­na­tion, because indi­vid­u­als who knew what had actu­al­ly hap­pened cov­ered up the truth out of fear that that the sit­u­a­tion could have led to a Third World War. Haslam presents his the­sis that Sher­man was prob­a­bly involved in this under­ground med­ical lab­o­ra­to­ry in order to research the con­t­a­m­i­na­tion of the polio vac­cine with SV40, a mon­key virus that caus­es can­cer in humans. Haslam feels that Sher­man was involved with using a lin­ear accel­er­a­tor to cre­ate genet­ic muta­tions in the SV40. This was being done as an effort to cre­ate harm­less strains of the virus for use in a vac­cine to guard against a can­cer epi­dem­ic. This viral con­t­a­m­i­na­tion of the polio vac­cine may very well be the cause of a soft-tis­sue can­cer epi­dem­ic cur­rent­ly sweep­ing the Unit­ed States, as well as the delib­er­ate or acci­den­tal cre­ation of AIDS. The inter­view also con­tains infor­ma­tion, not con­tained in Haslam’s book, con­cern­ing the pos­si­bil­i­ty that Oswald may have been spy­ing on this clan­des­tine research and that this work may have been cen­tral­ly involved in the cov­er-up of Kennedy’s assas­si­na­tion.”

2. The bulk of this broad­cast treats the new sub­ject mate­r­i­al of Ed’s lat­est vol­ume, Dr. Mary’s Mon­key. For more about the book, includ­ing order­ing infor­ma­tion, vis­it: themonkeyvirus.com. NOTE THAT MR. EMORY GIVES THIS VOLUME A 5‑STAR RATING. AN EXCELLENT, WELL-WRITTEN AND VITALLY INFORMATIVE WORK! For more about Ed Haslam’s mag­nif­i­cent work, see FTR#’s 16, 19, 62, 63, 76, 198, 526, 577.

3. After review­ing basic infor­ma­tion about Ed’s inves­tiga­tive hypoth­e­sis from his first book, the pro­gram delves into new infor­ma­tion from Dr. Mary’s Mon­key. An aspect of Lee Har­vey Oswald’s back­ground that has gone under­re­port­ed is the fact that he had very close con­nec­tions to the under­world empire of New Orleans Mafia boss Car­los Mar­cel­lo. Relat­ed to Mar­cel­lo oper­a­tive “Dutz” Mur­ret, Oswald reg­u­lar­ly dined at Marce­lo-owned restau­rants, leav­ing with­out hav­ing to pay the bills. A NEW AND IMPORTANT FIGURE IN ED’S INVESTIGATION REPORTED THIS INFORMATION: JUDYTH VARY BAKER.

4. After the pub­li­ca­tion of Ed’s first book (Mary, Fer­rie and the Mon­key Virus), Ms. [Judyth Vary] Bak­er came for­ward and dis­cussed infor­ma­tion about her rela­tion­ship with Oswald. A pre­co­cious bio­log­i­cal researcher with pro­found inter­est in, and skill with, can­cer research, Bak­er main­tains that she and Oswald had an affair in 1963. More impor­tant than this per­son­al detail, how­ev­er, are the cir­cum­stances that led to the affair.

5. Ms. Bak­er and Oswald were both work­ing with Dr. Mary Sher­man and David Fer­rie in the under­ground med­ical lab­o­ra­to­ry that is the pri­ma­ry focal point of Ed’s research. In that capac­i­ty, all of them were work­ing for Dr. Alton Ochsner, one of the most promi­nent and influ­en­tial fig­ures in Amer­i­can med­i­cine. The focal point of their efforts was the muta­tion [by irra­di­a­tion] of SV-40 and oth­er mon­key virus­es for the pur­pose of devel­op­ing a bio­log­i­cal war­fare weapon. Under­tak­en with intent to kill Fidel Cas­tro, the devel­op­ment of this weapon may have led to the cre­ation of AIDS. Remem­ber that the milieu involved in devel­op­ing this device was extreme­ly reac­tionary and more than a lit­tle racist. (For more about the pol­i­tics of this crew, see—among oth­er programs—FTR#188.)

6. Like Lee Har­vey Oswald, Judyth Bak­er was employed by the Reil­ly Cof­fee Com­pa­ny as a “cov­er” for her work on the bio­log­i­cal weapon. A major con­trib­u­tor to INCA [the propaganda/intelligence front run by Dr. Ochsner to gen­er­ate anti-com­mu­nist mate­r­i­al direct­ed at Latin Amer­i­cans], com­pa­ny head William Reil­ly was a major backer of anti-Cas­tro efforts in New Orleans. Screened by, and hired for, employ­ment at Reil­ly by a for­mer FBI agent with appar­ent con­nec­tions to “active” ele­ments with­in the bureau, Oswald and Bak­er rode to work togeth­er in the morn­ing. Because their employ­ment at Reil­ly was a cov­er for clan­des­tine work in the under­ground med­ical lab­o­ra­to­ry, both Oswald and Bak­er were free to come and go vir­tu­al­ly at will.

7. In this con­text, it is impor­tant to note that the bio­log­i­cal weapon devel­op­men­tal pro­gram did indeed bring togeth­er the pri­ma­ry fig­ures of Ed’s investigation—Ochsner, Sher­man, Fer­rie and Oswald–and placed them all (along with Bak­er) in a covert oper­a­tions milieu that was prepar­ing to use dead­ly force. It is also worth not­ing that talk of assas­si­nat­ing Pres­i­dent Kennedy was rel­a­tive­ly com­mon­place among mem­bers of this group. It was said in their midst that, if they were not suc­cess­ful in devel­op­ing the weapon to kill Cas­tro, then Dr. Ochsner’s pow­er­ful friends might decide to kill Kennedy instead.

8. That this group was will­ing to take human life to achieve its goals became only too evi­dent. When the bio­log­i­cal weapon was com­plete, they test­ed it on a “vol­un­teer” con­vict from Louisiana’s noto­ri­ous Ango­la prison. The “vol­un­teer” died with­in two weeks, prompt­ing strong protests by both Dr. Mary Sher­man and Judyth Vary Bak­er. Ochsner became enraged at Ms. Baker’s let­ter of protest, and end­ed his rela­tion­ship with her.

9. A cou­ple of days before Kennedy was killed, Oswald alleged­ly men­tioned to Judyth that there was going to be a real attempt to kill Kennedy in Dal­las on Fri­day, Novem­ber 22, 1963. He went to Dal­las to attempt to inter­dict the attempt on the President’s life. The rest, as they say, is his­to­ry. Oswald was framed for the crime and mur­dered before he could exon­er­ate him­self. For more about the assas­si­na­tion of Pres­i­dent Kennedy, use the search func­tion at the top of this page to locate the large vol­ume of pro­grams Mr. Emory has done about the assas­si­na­tion.

10. Ed spec­u­lates that some­one very pow­er­ful, per­haps Robert Kennedy, had been uti­liz­ing Oswald to spy on some pow­er­ful ele­ments in the New Orleans area. Ed fur­ther spec­u­lates that, with Oswald first framed and then silenced, the poten­tial embar­rass­ment to Robert Kennedy was used to silence him in the event of his brother’s mur­der.

11. Two video pro­duc­tions are being gen­er­at­ed by a cou­ple of doc­u­men­tary film­mak­ers. One is a DVD of a three-lec­ture series called “The First Refuge of a Scoundrel: The Rela­tion­ship Between Fas­cism and Reli­gion.” To learn more about this, vis­it The Anti-Fas­cist YouTube.com page. In addi­tion, there will soon be a doc­u­men­tary about Mr. Emory, titled “The Anti-Fas­cist.” For more about this project, vis­it theantifascist.com.


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