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FTR #704 Interview with John Loftus

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Intro­duc­tion: The pro­gram begins with John’s assess­ment of Barack Oba­ma’s term in office, so far. Noting–correctly–that good Pres­i­dents learn to gov­ern from the cen­ter, he not­ed that Oba­ma’s grasp of this has no doubt alien­at­ed some of his pro­gres­sive back­ers.

Opin­ing that Oba­ma might have done bet­ter to have placed job cre­ation before health care reform, John notes that the GOP is pro­found­ly involved with the phar­ma­ceu­ti­cal lob­by and, as a result, opposed to mean­ing­ful health care reform.

On the sub­ject of the bank bailouts and their unpop­u­lar­i­ty with the bulk of the pub­lic, John defend­ed Oba­ma’s actions–and those of the Bush administration–as nec­es­sary to pre­vent the onset of a sec­ond Great Depres­sion.

Turn­ing to the sub­ject of Sau­di Ara­bia, a fre­quent top­ic of dis­cus­sion in past interviews–John not­ed, reluc­tant­ly, that the Saud­is had actu­al­ly done some­thing good. The king­dom kept Chi­na from de-cou­pling its cur­ren­cy from the weak­en­ing dol­lar. Because this would severe­ly dam­age the Sau­di hold­ings, the Saud­is told the Chi­nese that, if they did so, the Saud­is would nev­er sell them any oil. (Chi­na is an oil importer.) In return, the U.S. would con­tin­ue to tol­er­ate Chi­na’s cur­ren­cy manip­u­la­tion, which hurts the U.S. and glob­al economies.

In addi­tion, John not­ed that the Saud­is have agreed to keep the price of oil below $80.00 a bar­rel, plac­ing an enor­mous eco­nom­ic bur­den on the Iran­ian econ­o­my.

Pro­gram High­lights Include: recent dis­clo­sures that the Vat­i­can Bank con­tin­ues to be one of the world’s lead­ing mon­ey-laun­der­ing vehi­cles; review of the role of Allen Dulles in the found­ing of Sau­di Ara­bia; review of the his­to­ry of the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood [above and to the right are pic­tures of Hamas, top, and Pales­tin­ian Islam­ic Jihad, bot­tom, both off­shoots of the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood]; review of the links between the U.S. indus­tri­al and finan­cial elite and those of the Axis pow­ers of World War II; review of the Bush fam­i­ly’s pro­found links to Nazi finance and indus­try; review of the Vat­i­can’s pro­found involve­ment with the Axis pow­ers and post­war inter­na­tion­al fas­cism; review of John’s law­suit against Sami al-Ari­an, that led to the Oper­a­tion Green Quest raids of 3/20/2002; review of the Cru­sade for Free­dom and the gen­e­sis of the Nazi/GOP con­nec­tion; review of the top lead­er­ship of the GOP to the milieu tar­get­ed by the raids of 3/20/2002.

1. The pro­gram begins with John’s assess­ment of Barack Oba­ma’s term in office, so far. Noting–correctly–that good Pres­i­dents learn to gov­ern from the cen­ter, he not­ed that Oba­ma’s grasp of this has no doubt alien­at­ed some of his pro­gres­sive back­ers.

John feels that Oba­ma might have done bet­ter to have placed job cre­ation before health care reform, and notes that the GOP is pro­found­ly involved with the phar­ma­ceu­ti­cal lob­by and, as a result, opposed to mean­ing­ful health care reform.

On the sub­ject of the bank bailouts and their unpop­u­lar­i­ty with the bulk of the pub­lic, John defend­ed Oba­ma’s actions–and those of the Bush administration–as nec­es­sary to pre­vent the onset of a sec­ond Great Depres­sion.

2. Turn­ing to the sub­ject of Sau­di Ara­bia, a fre­quent top­ic of dis­cus­sion in past interviews–John not­ed, reluc­tant­ly, that the Saud­is had actu­al­ly done some­thing good. The king­dom kept Chi­na from de-cou­pling its cur­ren­cy from the weak­en­ing dol­lar. Because this would severe­ly dam­age the Sau­di hold­ings, the Saud­is told the Chi­nese that, if they did so, the Saud­is would nev­er sell them any oil. (Chi­na is an oil importer.) In return, the U.S. would con­tin­ue to tol­er­ate Chi­na’s cur­ren­cy manip­u­la­tion, which hurts the U.S. and glob­al econ­o­my.

In addi­tion, the Saud­is have agreed to keep the price of oil below $80.00 a bar­rel, plac­ing an enor­mous eco­nom­ic bur­den on the Iran­ian econ­o­my.

3. Much of the first side con­sist­ed of review of mate­r­i­al from his exhaus­tive work (co-authored with Mark Aarons) The Secret War Against the Jews. As cov­ered in that land­mark book, the Saud­is were pro-Nazi, but remained offi­cial­ly neu­tral. In order to keep them from ally­ing for­mal­ly with the Nazis, Roo­sevelt includ­ed the Saud­is in the Lend Lease pro­gram, the only neu­tral nation to receive such assis­tance.

Sul­li­van and Cromwell king­pin Allen Dulles and anti-Semi­te (and even­tu­al Axis spy) Jack Phil­by had much to do with the found­ing of Sau­di Ara­bia.

4. In addi­tion to review­ing infor­ma­tion about the gen­e­sis of Sau­di Ara­bia, John also recapped the Bush fam­i­ly’s links to the Nazis and the decades-long coverup of this infor­ma­tion. (Note that this sub­ject is cov­ered in many For The Record Broad­casts, and because of that, is encap­su­lat­ed here.)

In order to escape “exces­sive reg­u­la­tion,” the prof­its from the Amer­i­can indus­tri­al boom of the 1920’s were invest­ed abroad, pri­mar­i­ly in Ger­many, Italy and Japan. These fas­cist total­i­tar­i­an regimes, along with the Wah­habis in Sau­di Ara­bia, were viewed as fer­tile soil for the monop­o­lis­tic oper­a­tions of the Rob­ber Bar­rons. Stal­in’s USSR was also seen as poten­tial­ly use­ful.

Dis­cussing the oper­a­tions of the Har­ri­man indus­tri­al empire, John notes that these pow­er­ful Wall Street Rob­ber Bar­rons and Bush fam­i­ly busi­ness part­ners were also sub­si­diz­ing Stal­in’s regime, in hopes of uti­liz­ing what was to become Auschwitz as a forced labor facil­i­ty to pro­duce syn­thet­ic fuel.

John’s career in gov­ern­ment as an inves­ti­ga­tor stemmed from attempts by Nurem­berg pros­e­cu­tors to find out just how Nurem­burg was side­tracked, with the pro­found links between the Rob­ber Bar­rons, their firms and their coun­ter­parts in Ger­man indus­try and finance man­dat­ing that the truth about the American/Nazi indus­tri­al con­nec­tion be sup­pressed. Lis­ten­ers are emphat­i­cal­ly encour­aged to check out the old anti-fas­cist books avail­able for down­load for free on this web­site in order to flesh out their under­stand­ing of this phe­nom­e­non.

5. Con­clud­ing the first side of the pro­gram, John sum­ma­rizes the gen­e­sis of the fas­cist Mus­lim Broth­er­hood, par­ent orga­ni­za­tion of Al Qae­da, Hamas, Pales­tin­ian Islam­ic Jihad and the Afghan Muja­hadeen who fought against the Sovi­et Union in Afghanistan. (This, too, is a sub­ject cov­ered at length in oth­er pro­grams.)

After Egypt­ian Nass­er expelled the Broth­er­hood from Egypt in the ear­ly 1950’2, the CIA under Allen Dulles helped per­suade the Saud­is to accept the Broth­ers, who were installed as cler­ics and teach­ers in the Sau­di madras­sas, from which they con­tin­ue to wield enor­mous influ­ence.

John also reviewed the career of the Grand Mufti, the first leader of the Pales­tin­ian nation­al move­ment, his posi­tion of Gen­er­al in the Waf­fen SS and his close alliance with the Saud­is, the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood and Jack Phil­by.

6. Review­ing the gen­e­sis of the Nazi/GOP con­nec­tion, John reviews the Cru­sade for Free­dom, an ille­gal domes­tic covert oper­a­tion through which Nazis and Nazi col­lab­o­ra­tors came into the U.S. and evolved into a Nazi wing of the GOP.

Prin­ci­pal­ly involved in this con­cate­na­tion were Allen Dulles, Richard Nixon, Ronald Rea­gan, William Casey and the elder George Bush.

7. Next, the pro­gram reviews John’s suit against pro­fes­sor Sami al-Ari­an, a founder of Pales­tin­ian Islam­ic Jihad. It was John’s suit that led to the Oper­a­tion Green Quest raids of 3/20/2002. This raid, in turn, uncov­ered pro­found links between the high­est rank­ing offi­cials of the Bush admin­is­tra­tion, the GOP and the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood. In addi­tion to Karl Rove and Bush men­tor and busi­ness part­ner Talat Oth­man, super lob­by­ist Grover Norquist helped forge the GOP/Muslim Broth­er­hood link.

8. Yet anoth­er sig­nif­i­cant point of review was John’s encap­su­la­tion of the Nazi/Vatican con­nec­tion he laid out in his opus Unholy Trin­i­ty, also co-authored by Mark Aarons. Fund­ing Hitler in 1919, the Vat­i­can turned to the Nazis as an anti­dote to com­mu­nism, and then helped many of the top Nazis escape through net­works that are known as the Rat­lines.

The Vat­i­can bank became a major investor in Nazi indus­try, and, as relat­ed by John, con­tin­ues to be a major laun­der­ing vehi­cle for “black” mon­ey, because their books can­not be audit­ed.

9. Con­clud­ing on a pos­i­tive note, John relayed that his first book, The Belarus Secret, is going to be released in a new, uncen­sored ver­sion by Trine­Day pub­lish­ers. The new book will fea­ture mate­r­i­al that was omit­ted from the orig­i­nal text, released in 1982.

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