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FTR #864 Interview with Peter Levenda about “Ratline” and Other Books

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[7]Intro­duc­tion: Sup­ple­ment­ing pre­vi­ous dis­cus­sions with Peter Lev­en­da about his land­mark book The Hitler Lega­cy [8], we once again speak with Peter about his work, focus­ing pri­mar­i­ly on his “pre­quel,” Rat­line [9].

Immi­gra­tion has dom­i­nat­ed the news recent­ly, with the flood of refugees from the wars in the Mid­dle East over­whelm­ing Euro­pean infra­struc­ture as the phe­nom­e­non dom­i­nates polit­i­cal debate and Don­ald Trump cap­i­tal­izes on anti-immi­grant xeno­pho­bia to lead the field of pre­sump­tive GOP Pres­i­den­tial can­di­dates. In The Hitler Lega­cy [8]Peter not­ed anti-immi­grant sen­ti­ment and xeno­pho­bia as part of “The Hitler Lega­cy.”

Fear of “the oth­er” has been a sta­ple of fas­cist thought and is dom­i­nat­ing much of the polit­i­cal dis­course on both sides of the Atlantic.

Turn­ing to what might be described as the “pre­quel” to The Hitler Lega­cy, we high­light Rat­line [9]. Deal­ing with the sto­ry of the mys­te­ri­ous Dr. Anton Poch, we ana­lyze the dis­ap­pear­ance of Adolf Hitler.

When one dis­cuss­es Hitler’s escape at the end of the war, one is gen­er­al­ly viewed as aberrant–a con­spir­a­cy nut. Peter high­lights the curi­ous behav­ior of the Sovi­ets with regard to Hitler’s corpse–burying and rebury­ing “Hitler’s remains” time and again in the months fol­low­ing V‑E Day.

Even­tu­al­ly, the remains were sci­en­tif­i­cal­ly proved NOT to be those of Hitler, which calls into ques­tion the motive for Sovi­et behav­ior and the behav­ior of the Allies in the after­math of the war.

The offi­cial ver­sion of Hitler’s death is The Last Days of Hitler by Hugh Trevor-Rop­er. Trevor-Rop­er was an agent for MI6 (British intel­li­gence) at the time and the writ­ing and pub­li­ca­tion of his book was, in and of itself, an intel­li­gence operation–a “psy-op” called Oper­a­tion Nurs­ery.

This sets the back­ground against which the mys­te­ri­ous Dr. Anton Poch’s sit­u­a­tion must be eval­u­at­ed. (We dis­cuss Poch in FTR #‘s 845 [10]846 [11].)

It was craft­ed to coun­ter­act Sovi­et charges that Hitler was alive and had gone over to the West, an alle­ga­tion but­tressed by infor­ma­tion in Grey Wolf: The Escape of Adolf Hitler. [12]

Pro­gram High­lights Include:

1. Immi­gra­tion has dom­i­nat­ed the news recent­ly, with the flood of refugees from the wars in the Mid­dle East over­whelm­ing Euro­pean infra­struc­ture as the phe­nom­e­non dom­i­nates polit­i­cal debate and Don­ald Trump cap­i­tal­izes on anti-immi­grant xeno­pho­bia to lead the field of pre­sump­tive GOP Pres­i­den­tial can­di­dates.

In The Hitler Lega­cy, Peter not­ed anti-immi­grant sen­ti­ment and xeno­pho­bia as part of “The Hitler Lega­cy.”

The Hitler Lega­cy by Peter Lev­en­da; IBIS Press [HC]; Copy­right 2014 by Peter Lev­en­da; ISBN 978–0‑89254–210‑9; p. 315. [8]

. . . Xeno­pho­bia is at an all-time high in Europe and increas­ing­ly in Amer­i­ca. The Inter­net has pro­vid­ed new and improved means of com­mu­ni­ca­tion. . . .

As the polit­i­cal life of every coun­try becomes more and more polar­ized between “right” and “left,” the men of ODESSA can only laugh at our dis­com­fort. . . .

2. Under­scor­ing the Nazi roots of the EU and EMU, we review the pres­ence of Third Reich alum­nus and spy Paul Lev­erkuhn, who became head of the EU in the ear­ly 1950’s.

Rat­line: Sovi­et Spies, Nazi Priests and the Dis­ap­pear­ance of Adolf Hitler by Peter Lev­en­da; Ibis Press [HC]; Copy­right 2012 by Peter Lev­en­da; ISBN 978–0‑89254–170‑6; pp. 160–161. [9]

. . . . Paul Lev­erkuhn (1893–1960)–a life­long diplo­mat, spy, and banker, Lev­erkuhn was also a devot­ed Nazi who joined the Par­ty before the war began and who held var­i­ous impor­tant posts in Ger­many dur­ing both World Wars. He had an exten­sive back­ground run­ning Abwehr oper­a­tions in Turkey, and accord­ing to the CIA report ref­er­enced above he also ran a spy net­work after the war “based on Lebanon and extend­ing into the Mid­dle East.” Lev­erkuhn for the ben­e­fit of those with a con­spir­a­to­r­i­al frame of mind, was also in atten­dance at the very first Bilder­berg­er meet­ing in 1954as pres­i­dent of the Euro­pean Union [!–D.E.]. It should be point­ed out that this meet­ing took place four years before the CIA report was writ­ten claim­ing that Lev­erkuhn was run­ning agents in the Mid­dle East. . . .

3. Next, Peter reviews the bizarre han­dling of “Hitler’s corpse” by the Sovi­et secu­ri­ty ser­vices over the years and the proof that the remains were NOT those of Hitler.

4. Before delv­ing into the sub­stance of Rat­line, we briefly touch on the work­ing hypoth­e­sis of “Grey Wolf,” the focal point of FTR #791 [13]. The authors posit that the key play­ers in the real­iza­tion of Aktion Feurland–the code-name for the oper­a­tion facil­i­tat­ing Hitler’s escape–were Allen Dulles on the Allied side and Mar­tin Bor­mann for the Third Reich. Cen­tered on a quid pro quo arrange­ment, the authors hypoth­e­size that Aktion Feur­land involved the trans­fer of Nazi tech­nol­o­gy to the U.S. and the West (known as Project Paper­clip) and the sav­ing of price­less works of art from destruc­tion.

In that con­text, we note that thou­sands of doc­u­ments on both sides of the Atlantic deal­ing with Hitler’s post­war where­abouts are still clas­si­fied!

Grey Wolf: The Escape of Adolf Hitler by Simon Dun­stan and Ger­rard Williams; Ster­ling [HC]; Copy­right 2011 by Simon Dun­stan, Ger­rard Williams and Spit­fire Recov­ery Ltd.; ISBN 978–1‑4027–8139‑1; p. 242. [12]

. . . . Dur­ing this peri­od [the late 1940’s], the FBI was tak­ing reports of Hitler being in Latin Amer­i­ca very seri­ous­ly. Thou­sands of doc­u­ments per­tain­ing to Hitler from these years are  still clas­si­fied as Top Secret on both sides of the Atlantic; nev­er­the­less, and despite the very heavy cen­sor­ship of the few files released into the pub­lic domain, some infor­ma­tion can be gleaned. . . .

 5. The offi­cial ver­sion of Hitler’s death is The Last Days of Hitler [14] by Hugh Trevor-Rop­er. Trevor-Rop­er was an agent for MI6 (British intel­li­gence) at the time and the writ­ing and pub­li­ca­tion of his book was, in and of itself, an intel­li­gence operation–a “psy-op” called Oper­a­tion Nurs­ery.

It was craft­ed to coun­ter­act Sovi­et charges that Hitler was alive and had gone over to the West (the pos­si­bil­i­ty that Sovi­et intel­li­gence may have known of Aktion Feur­land is some­thing to be con­tem­plat­ed.

Rat­line: Sovi­et Spies, Nazi Priests and the Dis­ap­pear­ance of Adolf Hitler by Peter Lev­en­da; Ibis Press [HC]; Copy­right 2012 by Peter Lev­en­da; ISBN 978–0‑89254–170‑6; pp. 23–25. [9]

A British intel­li­gence offi­cer, Hugh ˇTrevor-Rop­er (1914–2003) craft­ed the nar­ra­tive con­cern­ing Hitler’s ulti­mate fate, begin­ning in Sep­tem­ber 1945 on a mission–called Oper­a­tion Nursery–from the Secret Intel­li­gence Ser­vice, or MI6. This intel­li­gence oper­a­tion is the source of the sto­ry we have all been told since then. It is the author­i­ta­tive ver­sion. It is based on a hand­ful of inter­views with for­mer mem­bers of Hitler’s per­son­al staff, only some of whom served in the bunker up until the fall of Berlin in May, 1945. This even­tu­al­ly became Trevor-Roper’s best-sell­ing book enti­tled The Last Days of Hitler. It stands today as the defin­i­tive account of Hitler’s alleged sui­cide, even though there are bare­ly thir­ty-live pages in the orig­i­nal edi­tion that deal direct­ly with the death itself. The rea­son for this is sim­ple: there was no foren­sic evi­dence to work from. There were only state­ments of eye­wit­ness­es, all of whom were Nazis and most of whom were in the SS. . . .

. . . . If one were to take all the tes­ti­mo­ny of all of the wit­ness­es who have since writ­ten books or who have left behind tran­scripts of their inter­ro­ga­tions by British, Amer­i­can and Russ­ian intel­li­gence offi­cers, and com­pared them to each oth­er we would soon begin to real­ize that there is vir­tu­al­ly no con­sen­sus on crit­i­cal points of the sto­ry. . . .

. . . . Whom to believe? Which ver­sion is real­ly author­i­ta­tive?

That depends on the agen­da you wish to pro­mote. His­to­ry was being writ­ten by the vic­tors to sat­is­fy intel­li­gence objec­tives and not to illu­mi­nate this dark mat­ter of defeat and vio­lent death. This was war, and the Allied forces were them­selves about to dis­cov­er that their respec­tive agen­das did not match. The Sovi­ets had one set of goals in mind at the end of the con­flict, and the Amer­i­cans anoth­er. And the British anoth­er still. . . .

. . . . The choice of Trevor-Rop­er for the polit­i­cal­ly-sen­si­tive task of deter­min­ing Hitler’s fate would seem curi­ous if not for the fact that his supe­ri­or, Brigadier Dick White (lat­er to become direc­tor of MI6), intend­ed that a nar­ra­tive be craft­ed that would counter the effects of Sovi­et insis­tence that Hitler was still alive. What was required was not the ser­vices of a lawyer or a sci­en­tist build­ing a legal case from evi­dence but the ser­vices of some­one who could build a his­tor­i­cal text from odd bits of doc­u­ments and dubi­ous tes­ti­mo­ny, hob­bled togeth­er with an eye towards pre­sent­ing a sin­gle point of view. In oth­er words, the mis­sion objec­tive of Trevor-Rop­er in Oper­a­tion Nurs­ery was a fore­gone one: to dis­prove Sovi­et state­ments that Hitler was still alive. Thus, it had to begin with the premise (pre­sent­ed as fact) that Hitler was dead and had com­mit­ted sui­cide in the bunker on April 30, 1945, and then be worked back­ward from there. No oth­er inter­pre­ta­tion or pre­sen­ta­tion was accept­able. All he had to do was to col­lect enough “eye­wit­ness” testimony–in Ger­man, a lan­guage he did not understand–that sup­port­ed (or at least did not con­tra­dict) this ver­sion of evens, and com­pile them into a neat sto­ry that tied togeth­er all the loose ends that then would stand as the offi­cial ver­sion. The offi­cial British ver­sion. . . .

6. We briefly note a com­par­i­son of “Oper­a­tion Nurs­ery” with the War­ren Report and the Com­mis­sion that craft­ed it (Allen Dulles and John J. McCloy being part of the com­mis­sion. CORRECTION: Win­nack­er did not write the War­ren Report, appar­ent­ly.

7. Return­ing to a sub­ject cov­ered in FTR #‘s 845 [10], 846 [11], we briefly review the flight of the “Pochs” and the remark­able occur­rences that tran­spired in Indone­sia sur­round­ing Poch/Hitler.