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FTR#1394 Political Assassination and the Rise of the German Nazi Party

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FTR#1394 This pro­gram was record­ed in one, 60-minute seg­ment.

Intro­duc­tion: Before get­ting into the main part of the pro­gram, we revis­it an impor­tant ele­ment first intro­duced in FTR#913.

With Direc­tor of Nation­al Intel­li­gence Tul­si Gab­bard and Anna Pauli­na Luna giv­ing cre­dence to the “Aliens are among us” non­sense, it is impor­tant to bear in mind that the CIA was devel­op­ing “fly­ing saucers” in the 1960’s.

Anna Pauli­na Luna is out­do­ing her­self, opin­ing that law­mak­ers have infor­ma­tion about “inter­di­men­sion­al beings.”

She is also heav­i­ly net­worked with the AfD in Ger­many.

This is sav­age­ly rem­i­nis­cent of sci­ence fic­tion movies on Trump’s stream­ing media out­let that are pre­sent­ed as “fact.”

As the Trump regime has tight­ened its grip, many observers have offered (for the most part) pro­found­ly unin­formed analy­ses of fas­cism. In this pro­gram, we revis­it the gen­e­sis of Ger­man Nazism and the process through which under­cov­er Ger­man mil­i­tary intel­li­gence agent Adolf Hitler came to pow­er.

Hitler did not “hyp­no­tize” the Ger­man pub­lic. He rose to pow­er as the result of a sys­tem­at­ic pro­gram of polit­i­cal assas­si­na­tion. This was fol­lowed by the delib­er­ate intro­duc­tion of the mil­i­tary into Ger­man soci­ety to foment reac­tion.

The bulk of the pro­gram fea­tures mate­r­i­al record­ed in June of 1984, set­ting forth this his­to­ry.

We should note that the descrip­tion for the pro­gram fea­tures an impor­tant exam­ple of Trans-Atlantic net­work­ing. In 1923, future O.S.S. chief William “Wild Bill” Dono­van met with Ger­man mil­i­tary intel­li­gence agent Adolf Hitler.

1.   As Anna Pauli­na Luna, Tul­si Gab­bard and their sup­port­ing cast of char­ac­ters pur­sue the “Aliens Have Vis­it­ed Us” non­sense, bear the fol­low­ing in mind:

From FTR#913:

JFK and the Unspeak­able: Why He Died and Why It Mat­ters by James W. Dou­glass; Touch­stone Books [SC]; Copy­right 2008 by James W. Dou­glas; ISBN 978–1‑4391–9388‑4; p. 301.

. . . . On his new assign­ment, Vin­son would soon learn that the CIA’s projects out of Site 51 includ­ed exper­i­men­tal air­craft shaped like saucers. The same was true at the CIA’s oth­er base at Roswell, New Mex­i­co, where the C‑54 car­ry­ing the sec­ond Oswald had land­ed. Both Site 51 and Roswell were home to “fly­ing saucers” that peo­ple saw peri­od­i­cal­ly in the area. They in fact came not from out­er space but from the CIA, which encour­aged the fly­ing saucer reports as a con­ve­nient cov­er sto­ry for U.S. exper­i­men­tal air­craft. . . .

2a. “Luna says law­mak­ers have evi­dence of ‘inter­di­men­sion­al beings’” by Ash­leigh Fields (The Hill); Yahoo News; August 13, 2025.

Luna says law­mak­ers have evi­dence of ‘inter­di­men­sion­al beings’

Rep. Anna Pauli­na Luna (R‑Fla.) said dur­ing a Wednes­day pod­cast episode with Joe Rogan that law­mak­ers have seen evi­dence of “inter­di­men­sion­al beings.”

“I think that they can actu­al­ly oper­ate through the time spaces that we cur­rent­ly have,” Luna said dur­ing the pod­cast.

“And that’s not some­thing that I came up with on my own. That’s based on stuff that we’ve seen. That’s based on infor­ma­tion that we’ve been told,” she added.

In Feb­ru­ary, Luna and Rep. James Com­er (R‑Ky.) sent let­ters to Sec­re­tary of State Mar­co Rubio, Sec­re­tary of Defense Pete Hegseth and CIA Direc­tor John Rat­cliffe request­ing a brief­ing on all records in their pos­ses­sion relat­ed to uniden­ti­fied anom­alous phe­nom­e­na, with the ulti­mate goal of “deliver[ing] trans­paren­cy to the Amer­i­can peo­ple.”

She says through inves­ti­ga­tions, she’s dis­cov­ered oth­er­world­ly infor­ma­tion.

“Based on tes­ti­mo­ny — that would be based on wit­ness­es that have come for­ward. But what I can tell you is just we’re told that they were that, they’ve seen things,” Luna told Rogan.

“And what I can tell you with­out get­ting into clas­si­fied con­ver­sa­tions is that there have been inci­dences that I believe were very cred­i­ble — peo­ple have report­ed that there have been move­ment out­side of time and space,” she con­tin­ued.

Luna said she’s nev­er seen a por­tal or a space­ship but was search­ing for doc­u­men­ta­tion that could lead to more evi­dence of life beyond humans. . . .

2b. Inter­est­ing­ly, as Rep Luna also admits in that short clip, when she was sworn into con­gress, she held her hand on an Ethiopi­an Ortho­dox Church Bible. That’s a rather notable detail giv­en that the Ethiopi­an Ortho­dox Church does include the Book of Enoch–a par­tic­u­lar inter­est for Rep Luna. In fact, back in April of 2024, Rep Luna post­ed a tweet where she thanks an Ethiopi­an Ortho­dox Church leader for answer­ing ques­tions about the lost books of the Bible.

2c.“MAGA Con­gress­woman Claims UFOs Might Be ‘Inter­di­men­sion­al Beings’” By Matt Novak; Giz­mo­do; 08/14/2025

. . . . Luna acknowl­edged through­out the inter­view that the U.S. gov­ern­ment may have advanced tech­nol­o­gy that could explain some of the UAP sight­ings, but she kept com­ing back to this idea that there was some­thing super­nat­ur­al about it all. And she float­ed con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries about how these kinds of beings had been cen­sored in the edit­ing of the Bible, specif­i­cal­ly invok­ing the idea that the Book of Enoch had not been includ­ed as part of the Bible for shad­owy rea­sons.

Luna, who said she’s read the Book of Enoch “mul­ti­ple times,” insist­ed that she wasn’t say­ing these mys­te­ri­ous beings were angels, but not­ed there were “oth­er cre­ations that God made,” accord­ing to her under­stand­ing of Chris­tian­i­ty. . . .

2d. “AfD responds to Trump ‘era­sure’ claims with call for nation­al­ist revival in Europe” by Jon Hen­ley; The Guardian; Decem­ber 10, 2025.

. . . . The AfD in par­tic­u­lar has active­ly sought clos­er ties with Trump’s Make Amer­i­ca Great Again move­ment. Anna Pauli­na Luna, a Repub­li­can con­gress­woman from Flori­da, said last month she expect­ed to host about 40 AfD politi­cians in the US. . . .

3.Although not includ­ed in the orig­i­nal pro­gram, mate­r­i­al from FTR#1009 pro­vides deep­er insight into the nature of the insti­tu­tions that were net­work­ing as nascent Nazism was grow­ing.

The future head of the O.S.S., William Dono­van, met with Ger­man mil­i­tary intel­li­gence agent Adolf Hitler in 1923, indica­tive of the net­work­ing that was under­way in the imme­di­ate after­math of World War II.

A “sym­pa­thet­ic” Dono­van met with Adolf Hitler in 1923. This must have been ear­li­er than Novem­ber 9th of 1923, the date of the Beer Hall Putsch. Hitler would have been in Lands­berg Prison after that.

The Old Boys: The Amer­i­can Elite and the Ori­gins of The CIA by Bur­ton Hersh; Charles Scrib­n­er’s Sons [HC]; Copy­right 1992 by Bur­ton Hersh; ISBN 0–684-19348–5; p. 55.

. . . . These ear­ly fact-find­ing mis­sions had left the agile, ener­getic attor­ney eager to track events. Months at a time—and nor­mal­ly with­out Ruth—would find him pop­ping up abroad, fre­quent­ly near some polit­i­cal trou­ble-spot. As ear­ly as 1923, he mate­ri­al­ized in Bercht­es­gaden to share a beer in the Gastz­im­mer of a mod­est pen­sion with Adolf Hitler. The clam­my young rab­ble-rouser rant­ed to the sym­pa­thet­ic attor­ney that he, unlike the fam­i­ly dog, could not be beat­en by his mis­er­able father until he wet the car­pet. . . . .

 

 

 

Discussion

2 comments for “FTR#1394 Political Assassination and the Rise of the German Nazi Party”

  1. The aliens are among us. Or are they angels? Rep­re­sen­ta­tive Anna Pauli­na Luna can’t say for cer­tain. But she’s con­fi­dent some­thing non-human is out there, and we’ve made con­tact. It’s an explo­sive dis­cov­ery. One long cov­ered up. And this isn’t just a mil­i­tary and intel­li­gence cov­er up going back decades. The evi­dence for alien inter­ven­tion in human affairs goes back thou­sands of years. And so does the coverup.

    That’s the nar­ra­tive Rep Luna — the fig­ure lead­ing the con­gres­sion­al gov­ern­ment secrets dis­clo­sure pan­el that was pur­port­ed­ly estab­lished to final­ly make pub­lic troves of gov­ern­ment secrets rang­ing from the JFK assas­si­na­tion to 9/11 to UFO — pre­sent­ed dur­ing a recent appear­ance on the Joe Rogan Expe­ri­ence pod­cast. UFOs are real. She’s seen the evi­dence. It’s a coverup.

    Rep Luna did­n’t claim to have all the answers dur­ing her inter­view. But she did seem con­fi­dent about a few aspects of this mys­tery, includ­ing con­fi­dence that the enti­ties we’ve detect­ed are inter­di­men­sion­al beings with a capac­i­ty to move out­side of time and space and we under­stand it. While Rep Luna has­n’t wit­nessed any of these incred­i­ble phe­nom­e­na her­self, she’s seen enough evi­dence and talked to enough eye wit­ness­es to be con­vinced. Some­thing is out there, it’s not man-made, and there’s a “pro­tec­tive com­plex” from author­i­ties who think that Amer­i­cans might not be able to han­dle these real­i­ties.

    But that coverup poten­tial­ly extends much fur­ther back than the last cen­tu­ry. Tales of amaz­ing sight­ings have been record­ed by thou­sands of peo­ple for thou­sands of years, with records of such sight­ings found in places like the Book of Enoch, one of the Old Tes­ta­ment books that did­n’t make it into the canon­i­cal Bible. Was the Book of Enoch removed from the Bible as part of some sort of long­stand­ing UFO cen­sor­ship? Rep Luna appears to hold these sus­pi­cions. In fact, as you can see in a brief clip of her con­ver­sa­tion with Rogan avail­able here, Rep Luna appears to be con­vinced that the Book of Enoch describes a pre-flood human civ­i­liza­tion that was gift­ed advanced tech­nolo­gies from these alien enti­ties which some­how led up to the events that result in the flood and the even­tu­al ‘fall’ of the ‘angels’. She talks about a race of super-humans with amaz­ing pow­ers as part of this advanced pre-flood civ­i­liza­tion. In oth­er words, Rep. Luna is sug­gest­ing alien tech­no­log­i­cal gifts to human­i­ty ear­ly humans played a role in trig­ger­ing some sort of God-sent apoc­a­lyp­tic event that wiped away all evi­dence of this tech­no­log­i­cal­ly advanced ear­li­er civ­i­liza­tion, and this has been cov­ered up. For thou­sands of years.

    Inter­est­ing­ly, as Rep Luna also admits in that short clip, when she was sworn into con­gress, she held her hand on an Ethiopi­an Ortho­dox Church Bible. That’s a rather notable detail giv­en that the Ethiopi­an Ortho­dox Church does include the Book of Enoch. So the Book of Enoch is a par­tic­u­lar inter­est for Rep Luna. In fact, back in April of 2024, Rep Luna post­ed a tweet where she thanks an Ethiopi­an Ortho­dox Church leader for answer­ing ques­tions about the lost books of the Bible. That’s a par­tic­u­lar­ly inter­est­ing detail giv­en that, as we’ve seen, Rep Luna was report­ed­ly recruit­ed for her con­gres­sion­al run by none oth­er than Char­lie Kirk, the founder of Turn­ing Point USA. As we’ve see, Kirk is one of the more high-pro­file mem­bers of the Coun­cil for Nation­al Pol­i­cy (CNP), the key theo­crat­ic enti­ty behind much of the author­i­tar­i­an­ism of the sec­ond Trump term. So Kirk recruits Rep Luna, who quick­ly becomes one of the GOP’s young ris­ing stars and tasked with the remark­able job of dis­clos­ing the gov­ern­men­t’s most close­ly held secrets. And here we are, with Rep Luna seem­ing­ly mak­ing the kind of ‘dis­clo­sures’ that could be used to rewrite the Bible.

    Anoth­er seem­ing­ly fas­ci­nat­ing dis­clo­sure made by Rep Luna dur­ing her inter­view with Rogan is her belief that the Ark of the Con­venant was dis­cov­ered in the 1980s. She also talks about how the CIA’s remote view­ing exper­i­ments played a role in the col­lec­tion of the evi­dence that she’s seen, so she seemed to be pub­licly val­i­dat­ing the ‘sci­ence’ behind remote view­ing too. Which makes this a good time to recall that Dai­ly Mail piece from back in May describ­ing the CIA’s remote view­ing exper­i­ments that alleged­ly detect­ed alien facil­i­ties on earth and else­where in the solar sys­tem and also hap­pened to include ref­er­ences to Project Sun Streak, a 1980s CIA project which tasked a remote view­er to find the Ark of the Covenant. That appears to be what Rep Luna was refer­ring to. Refer­ring to and pub­licly val­i­dat­ing.

    So it would appear that Rep Luna is get­ting ready to ‘dis­close’ to the world that the ‘ancient astro­naut’ nar­ra­tives that have long been grow­ing in pop­u­lar­i­ty with far right audi­ences is true and our whole under­stand­ing of God, angels, and our­selves needs to a mas­sive update. The kind of nar­ra­tive that eas­i­ly morphs into the ‘lizard peo­ple have been con­trol­ling us all along!’ nar­ra­tive that’s been heav­i­ly pro­mot­ed by Pres­i­dent Trump’s own Truth+ stream­ing plat­form. We aren’t quite yet at the ‘lizard peo­ple con­trol us! It’s offi­cial!’ point in this evolv­ing nar­ra­tive. But we’ve clear­ly tak­en a step clos­er.

    And, again, Rep Luna is very much aligned with the theo­crat­ic forces cur­rent­ly ani­mat­ing the sec­ond Trump admin­is­tra­tion and lay­ing the ground­work for a ‘Sec­ond Amer­i­can Rev­o­lu­tion’ pred­i­cat­ed on a Chris­t­ian fun­da­men­tal­ist theoc­ra­cy. Which also makes this a good time to keep in mind that the upcom­ing theo­crat­ic rev­o­lu­tion will need some sort of mass pop­u­lar appeal. And what bet­ter way to ped­dle a fun­da­men­tal­ist theoc­ra­cy that sets human­i­ty back­wards mil­len­nia than hav­ing that theo­crat­ic fun­da­men­tal­ist mes­sage come from our high tech alien brethren:

    The Inde­pen­dent

    MAGA law­mak­er Anna Pauli­na Luna claims Con­gress has seen proof of ‘inter­di­men­sion­al beings’

    ‘Based on the pho­tos that I’ve seen, I’m very con­fi­dent that there’s things out there that have not been cre­at­ed by mankind,’ Flori­da con­gress­woman says

    Gustaf Kilan­der
    in Wash­ing­ton, D.C.
    Thurs­day 14 August 2025 10:36 EDT

    Flori­da Repub­li­can Rep. Anna Pauli­na Luna has told pod­cast­er Joe Rogan that Con­gress has seen proof of “inter­di­men­sion­al beings.”

    “I think that they can actu­al­ly oper­ate through the time spaces that we cur­rent­ly have,” Luna said on Wednesday’s episode of the Joe Rogan Expe­ri­ence.

    “And that’s not some­thing that I came up with on my own. That’s based on stuff that we’ve seen. That’s based on infor­ma­tion that we’ve been told,” she claimed.

    Luna, and Ken­tucky Repub­li­can Rep. James Com­er, sent let­ters in Feb­ru­ary to Sec­re­tary of State Mar­co Rubio, Sec­re­tary of Defense Pete Hegseth, and CIA Direc­tor John Rat­cliffe, ask­ing for a brief­ing on all records con­nect­ed to UAP — uniden­ti­fied anom­alous phe­nom­e­na.

    The con­gress­woman, a ris­ing star of the MAGA move­ment who has been endorsed by Pres­i­dent Don­ald Trump, claimed that via her inves­ti­ga­tions, she’s uncov­ered new infor­ma­tion.

    “Based on tes­ti­mo­ny that would be based on wit­ness­es that have come for­ward. But what I can tell you is just we’re told that ... they’ve seen things,” Luna told Rogan.

    “And what I can tell you with­out get­ting into clas­si­fied con­ver­sa­tions is that there have been inci­dences that I believe were very cred­i­ble peo­ple have report­ed that there have been move­ments out­side of time and space,” she added. “Based on the pho­tos that I’ve seen, I’m very con­fi­dent that there’s things out there that have not been cre­at­ed by mankind.”

    She went on to explain that while she has not seen a space­ship or a por­tal, she’s search­ing for infor­ma­tion that could lead her to more evi­dence.

    Luna leads a task force work­ing on the declas­si­fi­ca­tion of fed­er­al secrets, orga­nized by the House Com­mit­tee on Overs

    ...

    She added that she has seen pho­to­graph­ic and his­tor­i­cal evi­dence, and that she has spo­ken to pilots in the Air Force who alleged that UAP sight­ings are being cov­ered up.

    “There’s def­i­nite­ly some­thing that I can tell you with con­fi­dence, that we don’t know how to explain cur­rent­ly,” said Luna. The Flori­da law­mak­er added that she thinks the U.S. has reverse-engi­neered tech­nol­o­gy to build crafts orig­i­nal­ly cre­at­ed by non-humans.

    ...

    When you have thou­sands upon thou­sands of peo­ple through­out time that have report­ed some­thing, to say that those peo­ple are crazy, to say that the whole con­cept of just ask­ing the ques­tion [may mean] that you are not psy­cho­log­i­cal­ly sound, that in itself is a dis­in­for­ma­tion cam­paign to get peo­ple to shut up about it,” she said.

    “We know the U.S. gov­ern­ment has not exact­ly been clean in a lot of what they’ve done with the Amer­i­can peo­ple, specif­i­cal­ly to the top­ic of UFOs,” she added.

    The con­gress­woman argued that there is a “pro­tec­tive com­plex” from author­i­ties who think that Amer­i­cans might not be able to han­dle the real­i­ties of what has been found.

    ...

    In Novem­ber last year, sub­com­mit­tees of the House Over­sight Com­mit­tee held a joint hear­ing enti­tled “Uniden­ti­fied Anom­alous Phe­nom­e­na: Expos­ing the Truth.”

    That came after the Pen­ta­gon issued a report in March 2024 stat­ing that they had found no evi­dence of extrater­res­tri­al space­craft.

    In July 2023, a House Over­sight sub­com­mit­tee also held a hear­ing with three for­mer mil­i­tary offi­cials who said they think the gov­ern­ment knows much more about UAPs than it’s let­ting on.

    ...

    ————

    “MAGA law­mak­er Anna Pauli­na Luna claims Con­gress has seen proof of ‘inter­di­men­sion­al beings’” by Gustaf Kilan­der; The Inde­pen­dent; 08/14/2025

    “The con­gress­woman, a ris­ing star of the MAGA move­ment who has been endorsed by Pres­i­dent Don­ald Trump, claimed that via her inves­ti­ga­tions, she’s uncov­ered new infor­ma­tion.

    Anna Pauli­na Luna has uncov­ered new infor­ma­tion on the UFO mys­tery. This young ris­ing star is crack­ing the case! That’s the excit­ing news the con­gress­woman shared on the Joe Rogan Expe­ri­ence pod­cast. She does­n’t have it all fig­ured out yet, but she’s con­fi­dent of a few con­clu­sions at this point based on every­thing she’s seen in her inves­ti­ga­tions. Like the manip­u­la­tion of time spaces. Specif­i­cal­ly, mov­ing out­side of space and time. She’s seen enough evi­dence to be con­fi­dent enough to share it with the world, seem­ing­ly defy­ing the “pro­tec­tive com­plex” of author­i­ties how have long kept these real­i­ties hid­den from a pub­lic they fear can’t han­dle the truth. Rep Luna thinks the pub­lic can han­dle the truth, and she’s ready to share it:

    ...
    “I think that they can actu­al­ly oper­ate through the time spaces that we cur­rent­ly have,” Luna said on Wednesday’s episode of the Joe Rogan Expe­ri­ence.

    “And that’s not some­thing that I came up with on my own. That’s based on stuff that we’ve seen. That’s based on infor­ma­tion that we’ve been told,” she claimed.

    ...

    “Based on tes­ti­mo­ny that would be based on wit­ness­es that have come for­ward. But what I can tell you is just we’re told that ... they’ve seen things,” Luna told Rogan.

    And what I can tell you with­out get­ting into clas­si­fied con­ver­sa­tions is that there have been inci­dences that I believe were very cred­i­ble peo­ple have report­ed that there have been move­ments out­side of time and space,” she added. “Based on the pho­tos that I’ve seen, I’m very con­fi­dent that there’s things out there that have not been cre­at­ed by mankind.”

    ...

    “We know the U.S. gov­ern­ment has not exact­ly been clean in a lot of what they’ve done with the Amer­i­can peo­ple, specif­i­cal­ly to the top­ic of UFOs,” she added.

    The con­gress­woman argued that there is a “pro­tec­tive com­plex” from author­i­ties who think that Amer­i­cans might not be able to han­dle the real­i­ties of what has been found.
    ...

    And then we get to the evi­dence Luna points to that isn’t just evi­dence from the past cen­tu­ry or so. She referred to the eye wit­ness evi­dence of thou­sands of peo­ple through­out time who have report­ed the kind of extra­or­di­nary events that could describe alien con­tact:

    ...
    She went on to explain that while she has not seen a space­ship or a por­tal, she’s search­ing for infor­ma­tion that could lead her to more evi­dence.

    Luna leads a task force work­ing on the declas­si­fi­ca­tion of fed­er­al secrets, orga­nized by the House Com­mit­tee on Overs

    ...

    She added that she has seen pho­to­graph­ic and his­tor­i­cal evi­dence, and that she has spo­ken to pilots in the Air Force who alleged that UAP sight­ings are being cov­ered up.

    “There’s def­i­nite­ly some­thing that I can tell you with con­fi­dence, that we don’t know how to explain cur­rent­ly,” said Luna. The Flori­da law­mak­er added that she thinks the U.S. has reverse-engi­neered tech­nol­o­gy to build crafts orig­i­nal­ly cre­at­ed by non-humans.

    ...

    When you have thou­sands upon thou­sands of peo­ple through­out time that have report­ed some­thing, to say that those peo­ple are crazy, to say that the whole con­cept of just ask­ing the ques­tion [may mean] that you are not psy­cho­log­i­cal­ly sound, that in itself is a dis­in­for­ma­tion cam­paign to get peo­ple to shut up about it,” she said.
    ...

    And as the fol­low­ing Huff­Post piece notes, those com­ments from Luna about about peo­ple seem­ing­ly wit­ness­ing UFO’s ‘through­out time’, weren’t just an oblique ref­er­ence to ‘ancient astro­naut’ Bib­li­cal nar­ra­tives. Rep Luna was tying her UFO ‘dis­clo­sure’ into a new inter­pre­ta­tion of the Bible:

    The Huff­in­g­ton Post

    MAGA Law­mak­er Sug­gests That Secrets About UFOs And Aliens Were Removed From The Bible

    Flori­da Rep. Anna Pauli­na Luna also detailed her own expe­ri­ence with uniden­ti­fied aer­i­al phe­nom­e­na while serv­ing in the mil­i­tary.

    By Elyse Wan­shel
    Aug 14, 2025, 05:42 PM EDT
    Updat­ed Aug 14, 2025

    Hey, at the very least, this is a pret­ty decent attempt to deflect MAGA acolytes from their obses­sion with the Jef­frey Epstein files.

    On Wednes­day, Rep. Anna Pauli­na Luna (R‑Fla.) appeared on Joe Rogan’s pod­cast to advo­cate for gov­ern­ment trans­paren­cy about aliens.

    ...

    Luna explained that although “this might sound crazy,” she has seen evi­dence of tech­nol­o­gy cre­at­ed by “ener­gy things” or “inter­di­men­sion­al beings” that defy humanity’s cur­rent under­stand­ing of physics.

    She com­pared the tech that “inter­di­men­sion­al beings” are capa­ble of mak­ing to a mod­ern-day per­son “drop­ping a cell phone … back dur­ing the time of maybe cave­mans [sic].”

    Luna added that these “inter­di­men­sion­al beings” can move “out­side of time and space,” and said there are “books of the Bible that have been removed that explain and kind of touch on these top­ics.”

    “Look, have I seen a por­tal open? No. Have I seen a space­ship per­son­al­ly? No. Have I seen evi­dence of this? Yes,” Luna said. “Have I seen pho­to doc­u­men­ta­tion of air­craft that I believe were not made by mankind? Yes.”

    Luna said that her task force was cre­at­ed after she, Rep. Tim Burchett (R‑Tenn.) and for­mer Flori­da GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz, who was accused of hav­ing sex­u­al rela­tion­ships with minors, inves­ti­gat­ed an inci­dent involv­ing Eglin Air Force Base. Luna said numer­ous pilots there report­ed see­ing UAPs, or uniden­ti­fied aer­i­al phe­nom­e­na, and alleged that the mil­i­tary “was cov­er­ing it up.”

    Luna shared that anoth­er inci­dent occurred at Van­den­berg Space Force Base in which mul­ti­ple peo­ple, includ­ing a pilot, report­ed see­ing a red cube in the sky that was big­ger than a foot­ball field.

    She also shared a per­son­al expe­ri­ence she had with a UAP while she was serv­ing in the Air Force and sta­tioned at the Port­land Air Nation­al Guard Base in Ore­gon as an air­field man­age­ment spe­cial­ist.

    “There had been an air­space incur­sion that had tak­en place when I was still, at the time, at the Guard, and I remem­ber kind of talk­ing to some of the pilots about it, and I was like, ‘What was that?’” she said.

    Luna said when she pressed her col­leagues about the inci­dent, they act­ed like noth­ing had hap­pened.

    “They’re like, ‘Eh, we can’t real­ly talk about it.’ No one real­ly want­ed to address it,” Luna said, not­ing that she thinks they were afraid of being “tak­en off flight sta­tus.”

    ...

    ————

    “MAGA Law­mak­er Sug­gests That Secrets About UFOs And Aliens Were Removed From The Bible” By Elyse Wan­shel; The Huff­in­g­ton Post; 08/14/2025

    “Luna said that her task force was cre­at­ed after she, Rep. Tim Burchett (R‑Tenn.) and for­mer Flori­da GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz, who was accused of hav­ing sex­u­al rela­tion­ships with minors, inves­ti­gat­ed an inci­dent involv­ing Eglin Air Force Base. Luna said numer­ous pilots there report­ed see­ing UAPs, or uniden­ti­fied aer­i­al phe­nom­e­na, and alleged that the mil­i­tary “was cov­er­ing it up.”

    It’s a mil­i­tary coverup. And Rep Luna is here to expose it, along­side her fel­low Repub­li­can col­leagues Tim Burchett and, pre­vi­ous­ly, for­mer Rep Matt Gaetz, before he had to step down over child sex traf­fick­ing alle­ga­tions involv­ing an Air Force Base:

    ...
    “Look, have I seen a por­tal open? No. Have I seen a space­ship per­son­al­ly? No. Have I seen evi­dence of this? Yes,” Luna said. “Have I seen pho­to doc­u­men­ta­tion of air­craft that I believe were not made by mankind? Yes.”

    ...

    Luna shared that anoth­er inci­dent occurred at Van­den­berg Space Force Base in which mul­ti­ple peo­ple, includ­ing a pilot, report­ed see­ing a red cube in the sky that was big­ger than a foot­ball field.

    She also shared a per­son­al expe­ri­ence she had with a UAP while she was serv­ing in the Air Force and sta­tioned at the Port­land Air Nation­al Guard Base in Ore­gon as an air­field man­age­ment spe­cial­ist.

    “There had been an air­space incur­sion that had tak­en place when I was still, at the time, at the Guard, and I remem­ber kind of talk­ing to some of the pilots about it, and I was like, ‘What was that?’” she said.

    Luna said when she pressed her col­leagues about the inci­dent, they act­ed like noth­ing had hap­pened.

    “They’re like, ‘Eh, we can’t real­ly talk about it.’ No one real­ly want­ed to address it,” Luna said, not­ing that she thinks they were afraid of being “tak­en off flight sta­tus.”
    ...

    But it’s not just a mil­i­tary coverup. This UFO coverup goes all the way back to the Bible:

    ...
    Luna explained that although “this might sound crazy,” she has seen evi­dence of tech­nol­o­gy cre­at­ed by “ener­gy things” or “inter­di­men­sion­al beings” that defy humanity’s cur­rent under­stand­ing of physics.

    She com­pared the tech that “inter­di­men­sion­al beings” are capa­ble of mak­ing to a mod­ern-day per­son “drop­ping a cell phone … back dur­ing the time of maybe cave­mans [sic].”

    Luna added that these “inter­di­men­sion­al beings” can move “out­side of time and space,” and said there are “books of the Bible that have been removed that explain and kind of touch on these top­ics.”
    ...

    And as the fol­low­ing Giz­mo­do arti­cle describes, Rep Luna’s Bible coverup sus­pi­cions appear to be focused on con­tent from the Book of Enoch, one of the Old Tes­ta­ment books not includ­ed in the Bible. But she also has sus­pi­cions around the appar­ent dis­cov­ery of the Ark over the Covenant in the 1980s, along with an appar­ent belief in the valid­i­ty of remote view­ing tech­niques. Which makes this a good time to recall that Dai­ly Mail piece from back in May describ­ing the CIA’s remote view­ing exper­i­ments that alleged­ly detect­ed alien facil­i­ties on earth and else­where in the solar sys­tem and also hap­pened to include ref­er­ences to Project Sun Streak, a 1980s CIA project which tasked a remote view­er to find the Ark of the Covenant. And while Rep Luna isn’t say­ing aliens are angels, she’s appears to be think­ing along those lines:

    Giz­mo­do

    MAGA Con­gress­woman Claims UFOs Might Be ‘Inter­di­men­sion­al Beings’

    Rep. Anna Pauli­na Luna talked with Joe Rogan about what she’s seen. Kind of.

    By Matt Novak
    Pub­lished August 14, 2025

    What are those unex­plained objects zip­ping around in the sky? They could be aliens; they could be secret gov­ern­ment air­craft; they might even be Super­man. Or, if you believe the lat­est MAGA politi­cian to appear on Joe Rogan’s pod­cast, they’re beings from anoth­er dimen­sion.
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    Rep. Anna Pauli­na Luna, a Repub­li­can from Flori­da, has held hear­ings on Capi­tol Hill to inves­ti­gate UAPs, uniden­ti­fied aer­i­al phe­nom­e­na, and the con­gress­woman told Rogan on Wednesday’s episode that she’s seen evi­dence they could be “inter­di­men­sion­al beings.”

    ...

    Rogan was obvi­ous­ly curi­ous and asked Luna to elab­o­rate. The con­gress­woman, who ear­li­er this year intro­duced leg­is­la­tion to put Trump’s face on Mount Rush­more, then tried to explain and seemed to sug­gest that these “inter­di­men­sion­al beings” were found in the Bible. Or at least they would’ve been, if the Bible hadn’t been cen­sored.

    Rep. Luna: Well, they call them inter­di­men­sion­al beings. I think that they can actu­al­ly oper­ate through the time-spaces that we cur­rent­ly have. And that’s not some­thing that I came up with on my own. That’s based on stuff that we’ve seen, that’s based on infor­ma­tion that we’ve been told. And then also too, I think that there’s this his­tor­i­cal aspect of, you know, this gets into the deep­er the­o­ries and con­cepts of reli­gion and I think the his­to­ry that we cur­rent­ly know. And that kind of spins off into anoth­er top­ic of, you know, you have the mod­ern day Bible, you have this aspect of books of the Bible that have been removed that explain and kind of touch on these top­ics. And I think that we’re in a time and age where you have such a vast amount of infor­ma­tion that we have access to via social media, via your cell phone, via the inter­net. And so it’s real­ly chang­ing the way that we under­stand, you know, the ori­gins of life and the spir­i­tu­al real­i­ty that we know.

    Luna had a knack for ram­bling with­out say­ing much or pro­vid­ing evi­dence. So Rogan pressed her on what evi­dence there might be to prove that UAPs are actu­al­ly beings from anoth­er dimen­sion. She kept giv­ing vague answers, but insist­ed that she’s seen evi­dence. Sad­ly, she just can’t tell you what it is.

    Rep. Luna: Yeah, so look, have I seen a por­tal open? No. Have I seen a space­ship? Per­son­al­ly no. Have I seen evi­dence of this? Yes. Have I seen pho­to doc­u­men­ta­tion of air­craft that I believe were not made by mankind? Yes. Is there his­tor­i­cal sig­nif­i­cance to this? Yes. mul­ti­ple events that go back to, I would argue, maybe even before the time of Christ that have doc­u­ment­ed this in text? Yes.

    Luna acknowl­edged through­out the inter­view that the U.S. gov­ern­ment may have advanced tech­nol­o­gy that could explain some of the UAP sight­ings, but she kept com­ing back to this idea that there was some­thing super­nat­ur­al about it all. And she float­ed con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries about how these kinds of beings had been cen­sored in the edit­ing of the Bible, specif­i­cal­ly invok­ing the idea that the Book of Enoch had not been includ­ed as part of the Bible for shad­owy rea­sons.

    Luna, who said she’s read the Book of Enoch “mul­ti­ple times,” insist­ed that she wasn’t say­ing these mys­te­ri­ous beings were angels, but not­ed there were “oth­er cre­ations that God made,” accord­ing to her under­stand­ing of Chris­tian­i­ty.

    ...

    The con­gress­woman made oth­er wild claims dur­ing the inter­view about the CIA dis­cov­er­ing the Ark of the Covenant in the 1980s and strong­ly sug­gest­ing that remote view­ing is a real­i­ty. She also men­tioned that some autis­tic peo­ple had tele­path­ic abil­i­ties, a ref­er­ence to a pop­u­lar pod­cast called the Telepa­thy Tapes. And every­thing she men­tioned was cloaked in this con­spir­a­to­r­i­al think­ing as she insist­ed that pow­er­ful peo­ple were hid­ing the truth from the Amer­i­can peo­ple.

    ...

    ——————–

    “MAGA Con­gress­woman Claims UFOs Might Be ‘Inter­di­men­sion­al Beings’” By Matt Novak; Giz­mo­do; 08/14/2025

    “...And then also too, I think that there’s this his­tor­i­cal aspect of, you know, this gets into the deep­er the­o­ries and con­cepts of reli­gion and I think the his­to­ry that we cur­rent­ly know. And that kind of spins off into anoth­er top­ic of, you know, you have the mod­ern day Bible, you have this aspect of books of the Bible that have been removed that explain and kind of touch on these top­ics....”

    Was the Book of Enoch removed from the Bible as part of some sort of ongo­ing coverup going back thou­sands of years? And are aliens actu­al­ly angels? Or some oth­er divine cre­ation? Rep Luna is just ask­ing ques­tions, you see:

    ...
    Luna acknowl­edged through­out the inter­view that the U.S. gov­ern­ment may have advanced tech­nol­o­gy that could explain some of the UAP sight­ings, but she kept com­ing back to this idea that there was some­thing super­nat­ur­al about it all. And she float­ed con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries about how these kinds of beings had been cen­sored in the edit­ing of the Bible, specif­i­cal­ly invok­ing the idea that the Book of Enoch had not been includ­ed as part of the Bible for shad­owy rea­sons.

    Luna, who said she’s read the Book of Enoch “mul­ti­ple times,” insist­ed that she wasn’t say­ing these mys­te­ri­ous beings were angels, but not­ed there were “oth­er cre­ations that God made,” accord­ing to her under­stand­ing of Chris­tian­i­ty.
    ...

    Final­ly, we get to the ref­er­ences to the CIA’s remote view­ing exper­i­ments and the alleged detec­tion of the Ark of the Con­venant back in the 80s, an appar­ent ref­er­ence to Project Sun Streak. It’s all com­ing togeth­er:

    ...
    The con­gress­woman made oth­er wild claims dur­ing the inter­view about the CIA dis­cov­er­ing the Ark of the Covenant in the 1980s and strong­ly sug­gest­ing that remote view­ing is a real­i­ty. She also men­tioned that some autis­tic peo­ple had tele­path­ic abil­i­ties, a ref­er­ence to a pop­u­lar pod­cast called the Telepa­thy Tapes. And every­thing she men­tioned was cloaked in this con­spir­a­to­r­i­al think­ing as she insist­ed that pow­er­ful peo­ple were hid­ing the truth from the Amer­i­can peo­ple.
    ...

    Keep in mind that once you accept the wild claims about the real­i­ty of remote view­ing being pos­si­ble in the first place, there’s A LOT of oth­er wild claims that fol­low. Alien bases. The Ark of the Covenant. A col­lapsed ancient human civ­i­liza­tion on Mars. CIA psy­chics have made quite a few claims over the decades. The kind of claims we should­n’t dis­miss, accord­ing to Rep Luna, but should instead incor­po­rate into our new under­stand­ing of the his­to­ry of human­i­ty, God, angels, aliens, and pret­ty much every­thing else. It’s turn­ing out to be quite a ‘dis­clo­sure’ project.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | August 18, 2025, 5:53 pm
  2. @Pterrafractyl–

    Oh, Lordy!

    Ooops, maybe I should choose a dif­fer­ent oath?

    Oh, Enoch!

    Actu­al­ly, enough’s enough!

    Best,

    Dave

    Posted by Dave Emory | August 18, 2025, 7:20 pm

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