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FTR#1379 This pro­gram was record­ed in one, 60-minute seg­ment.

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Intro­duc­tion: NB: This descrip­tion con­tains mate­r­i­al not avail­able in the orig­i­nal.

These pro­grams high­light a dis­turb­ing syn­the­sis of sub­stan­tive, fac­tu­al inquiries (the assas­si­na­tions of JFK, MLK and RFK, Sr.) with pro­to-fascis­tic ancient aliens built the pyra­mids, ancient astro­nauts, Eric von Daniken bs.

Holo­caust deniers have long hov­ered around the edges of the assas­si­na­tion research. Once one real­izes that, in fact, Lee Har­vey Oswald was a pat­sy in the JFK assas­si­na­tion, James Earl Ray was a pat­sy in the assas­si­na­tion of Mar­tin Luther King and Sirhan Sirhan was a [mind-con­trolled] pat­sy in the assas­si­na­tion of RFK, Sr. it leaves many in a rel­a­tivis­tic political/intellectual uni­verse. They won­der: “Maybe the Holo­caust did­n’t hap­pen?”

Dis­cus­sion and Analy­sis IncludesAmaryl­lis Fox’s role as intel­li­gence advis­er to the Office of Man­age­ment and Bud­get and the Pres­i­den­t’s For­eign Intel­li­gence Review Board; Tul­si Gab­bard’s sup­port for Indi­a’s attack on Pak­istan; Mod­i’s net­work­ing with the RSS; An inci­sive arti­cle not­ing the pos­si­bil­i­ty of U.S. and/or U.K involve­ment in the ter­ror­ist inci­dent in Kash­mir; Review of the rela­tion­ship between RFK, Jr. daugh­ter-in-law and cam­paign man­ag­er Amaryl­lis Fox and Tul­si Gab­bard; Tul­si Gab­bard’s pro­found rela­tion­ship with the Hin­dut­va fas­cist orga­ni­za­tion RSS (the orga­ni­za­tion that assas­si­nat­ed Mahat­ma Gand­hi); Review of the assas­si­na­tion of Mahat­ma Gand­hi; Review of Gab­bard’s mem­ber­ship in the Hare Krish­na Cult; Dis­cus­sion of the New Age, the UFO dis­in­for­ma­tion gam­bit; the fascist/Nazi roots of the alter­na­tive archaeology/“Our Broth­ers from Space” meme; The recent pre­sen­ta­tion of dis­in­for­ma­tion con­cern­ing “cham­bers beneath the Pyra­mids of Egypt” (prov­ing that Space Aliens built the Pyra­mids); the approval of that b.s. by numer­ous fig­ures in “Team Trump” includ­ing Anna Pauli­na Luna, head­ing up “inquiries” into the assas­si­na­tions of JFK, RFK, MLK, 9/11, UFO’s; Jef­frey Epstein.

1.Amaryl­lis Fox Kennedy — Wikipedia

. . . . Amaryl­lis Fox Kennedy (born Amaryl­lis Damerell Thorn­ber; Sep­tem­ber 22, 1980)[1][2] is an Amer­i­can for­mer Cen­tral Intel­li­gence Agency (CIA) offi­cer and writer serv­ing since 2025 as the Asso­ciate Direc­tor for Intel­li­gence and Inter­na­tion­al Affairs at the Office of Man­age­ment and Bud­get (OMB) and as a mem­ber of Don­ald Trump’s Intel­li­gence Advi­so­ry Board.[3][4] She served in the CIA from 2002 to 2010. . . .

2a.“With You As You Hunt Down...”: US Spy Chief To PM Modi On Kash­mir Attack

The US spy chief extend­ed Wash­ing­ton’s full sup­port to New Del­hi and told Prime Min­is­ter Modi that “We are with you and sup­port you as you hunt down those respon­si­ble for this heinous attack.”

 

2b.India should tread war­i­ly on bat­tle­field — Indi­an Punch­line

. . . . Lat­er in the evening yes­ter­day, Modi also received Rashtriya Swayam­se­vak Sangh (RSS) chief Mohan Bhag­wat at his res­i­dence in a ges­ture “empha­sis­ing nation­al inter­est over pro­to­col,” as a nation­al dai­ly not­ed. How­ev­er, there should be no mis­con­cep­tions over how Bhagwat’s mind is work­ing. Five days back, he had remarked, “We hope for a strong response (to Pahal­gam attack.)” . . . .

 2c.Did West­ern Intel­li­gence Play a Role in the Lat­est Ter­ror­ist Attack in Kash­mir?

India and Pak­istan are tee­ter­ing on the precipice of war fol­low­ing the April 22 ter­ror­ist attack in Pahal­gam, which sits in the Indi­an-con­trolled region of Kash­mir, that left 22 tourists dead. The tim­ing of this attack — com­ing on the heels of Vice Pres­i­dent J.D. Vance’s vis­it to India — rais­es some uncom­fort­able ques­tions that mer­it an answer… Were West­ern intel­li­gence agen­cies involved? For what pur­pose? Let me pro­pose a cou­ple of plau­si­ble motives… spark ten­sions with Chi­na and cre­ate tur­moil with­in BRICS.

While many unin­formed West­ern­ers might scoff at the idea, Pakistan’s Defense Min­is­ter, Khawa­ja Muham­mad Asif, accused India of stag­ing a false flag. But Asif didn’t stop there. Dur­ing an inter­view with Sky News, Asif admit­ted that Pak­istan has been sup­port­ing and fund­ing ter­ror­ist groups for about three decades, describ­ing this as “doing the dirty work for the Unit­ed States and the West, includ­ing Britain.” He acknowl­edged that this was a “mis­take” and said Pak­istan has suf­fered great­ly as a result, espe­cial­ly by align­ing with the West dur­ing the Sovi­et-Afghan war and the post‑9/11 US-led war on ter­ror. Asif stat­ed that if Pak­istan had not joined these efforts, its inter­na­tion­al record would have been “unim­peach­able.”

Asif empha­sized three key points:

Col­lab­o­ra­tion with West­ern Pow­ers: Asif stat­ed, “We have been doing this dirty work for the Unit­ed States for about three decades, you know, the West, includ­ing Britain.” This com­ment was made in the con­text of dis­cussing Pakistan’s his­tor­i­cal role in sup­port­ing West­ern-led ini­tia­tives, which he sug­gests have con­tributed to the cur­rent chal­lenges with ter­ror­ism.

Train­ing of Mujahideen: Reflect­ing on Pakistan’s past deci­sions, Asif acknowl­edged that the coun­try had trained Mujahideen fight­ers dur­ing the Afghan-Sovi­et war, stat­ing, “We pre­pared them and now they have become ter­ror­ists.” He empha­sized that Pak­istan should not have engaged in such activ­i­ties at the behest of oth­er nations.

Cri­tique of U.S. Mil­i­tary Actions: Asif has crit­i­cized the Unit­ed States for its mil­i­tary inter­ven­tions, not­ing that Pak­istan has suf­fered due to its alliance with the U.S. He point­ed out that the U.S. left behind high-tech weapons in Afghanistan, which have con­tributed to the rise in ter­ror­ism with­in Pak­istan.

The attack in Pahal­gam, at a min­i­mum, was designed to dis­rupt fur­ther devel­op­ment of the area as a tourist des­ti­na­tion. Still, in light of Asif’s remark­able con­fes­sion, I can­not rule out some­thing more nefar­i­ous by my for­mer out­fit or by Britain’s MI‑6.

The con­flict between Pak­istan and India heat­ed up quick­ly on Tues­day, with India hit­ting alleged ter­ror­ist camps in Pak­istan and Pak­istan retal­i­at­ing with artillery and mis­sile strikes. Fol­low­ing this spike in vio­lence, things appear to have calmed down. Iran’s For­eign Min­is­ter Aragchi is in the region, try­ing to medi­ate. I sus­pect that he is doing this with the full back­ing and sup­port of both Rus­sia and Chi­na. . . .

3.Did you hear the incred­i­ble news? Earth-shat­ter­ing news. Or, rather, his­to­ry-shat­ter­ing news: A pair of researchers has uncov­ered evi­dence of a vast under­ground city beneath the pyra­mids of Giza. A pre­vi­ous­ly undis­cov­ered sub­ter­ranean com­plex that is many times deep­er than the height of the pyra­mids. So vast that it has observers point­ing to the dis­cov­ery as pow­er­ful evi­dence of a civ­i­liza­tion with advanced capa­bil­i­ties that has been lost to his­to­ry. Or even aliens.

It’s that sig­nif­i­cant a dis­cov­ery. Or at least it would have been that sig­nif­i­cant a dis­cov­ery had it been based on ver­i­fi­able sci­en­tif­ic meth­ods and with­stood peer review. Instead, as we’re going to see, the study is based on claims that experts say sim­ply aren’t fea­si­ble giv­en the tech­nol­o­gy used by the two researchers to map out the under­ground struc­tures. The two researchers – Cor­ra­do Malan­ga, from Italy’s Uni­ver­si­ty of Pisa, and Fil­ip­po Bion­di with the Uni­ver­si­ty of Strath­clyde in Scot­land – had already pub­lished a sep­a­rate peer-reviewed paper in Octo­ber 2022 in the sci­en­tif­ic jour­nal Remote Sens­ing which found hid­den rooms and ramps inside the Khafre pyra­mid. But this lat­est non-peer-reviewed paper pur­ports to reveal under­ground struc­tures on a much larg­er scale. Malan­ga is a UFOl­o­gist and has appeared on YouTube shows about aliens. Bion­di is a spe­cial­ist in radar tech­nol­o­gy. Accord­ing to Pro­fes­sor Lawrence Cony­ers, a radar expert at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Den­ver who focus­es on archae­ol­o­gy, any claims based on the radar tech­nol­o­gy they used are ‘a huge exag­ger­a­tion’ since it’s not pos­si­ble for the tech­nol­o­gy to pen­e­trate as deeply into the ground to back up the claims they are mak­ing.

And yet, as we’re going to see, the report­ing on these ‘find­ings’ includes breath­less reports in The Dai­ly Mail with quotes from ‘experts’ about how the whole his­to­ry of Egypt­ian his­to­ry has been rewrit­ten and evi­dence of advance pre-flood civ­i­liza­tions is about to be revealed. Or maybe it’s evi­dence of an alien ori­gin for the pyra­mids. Per­haps the pyra­mids real­ly are ancient pow­er plants! Yep, that’s the spin this sto­ry has been get­ting from the Dai­ly Mail, includ­ing quotes from Joe Rogan about how ‘mind-blow­ing’ a devel­op­ment this all is or quotes from ‘researcher Jay Ander­son’ who has con­clud­ed that “The pyra­mid itself was already a mas­sive red flag in the ancient Egypt­ian his­tor­i­cal nar­ra­tive but now, with this dis­cov­ery, I think it’s impos­si­ble to say that the Egyp­tians we’ve been taught about built these structures…It pro­vides the most extra­or­di­nary evi­dence for a pre-flood era civil­i­sa­tion that was flour­ish­ing in a way that we can scarce­ly com­pre­hend.”

It’s also rather notable that, of the two Dai­ly Mail arti­cle below on this sto­ry, it’s only the arti­cle from March 22 that even men­tions the fact that the study hasn’t been peer reviewed and has already been debunked by experts. The Dai­ly Mail piece from March 30 makes no men­tion but instead run with the head­line “Were the Pyra­mids built by aliens? Inside the bizarre con­spir­a­cy the­o­ry ‘backed’ by Elon Musk – after experts make aston­ish­ing dis­cov­ery.” Of course, as we’ve seen, not only has Elon Musk pro­mot­ed the ‘aliens built the pyra­mids’ meme but his mater­nal grand­fa­ther was utter­ly obsessed with dis­cov­er­ing ‘lost cities’ in South­ern Africa that would prove the exis­tences of advanced non-black civ­i­liza­tions. The main­stream­ing of the ‘lost civilization/alien astro­naut’ nar­ra­tives con­tin­ues.

But as we’re going to be remind­ed of in the fol­low­ing 2018 South­ern Pover­ty Law Cen­ter piece, the main­stream­ing of the ‘lost civilization/alien astro­naut’ nar­ra­tives is hard­ly new. It’s been going on for decades. Cen­turies, if you fac­tor in the real­i­ty that the notion of a lost white civ­i­liza­tion that pre-dat­ed the Native Amer­i­cans on North Amer­i­ca was a wide­ly held view from the colo­nial era until the 20th Cen­tu­ry. In fact, when Pres­i­dent Andrew Jack­son was jus­ti­fy­ing the eth­nic cleans­ing and forced relo­ca­tion of Native tribes, he cit­ed the mytho­log­i­cal exter­mi­na­tion of this alleged ancient Aryan tribe at the hands of Native Amer­i­cans as a kind of his­tor­i­cal prece­dent for his action. Nar­ra­tives whol­ly embraced by the Nazis’ anti-Enlight­en­ment myths and con­tin­ued per­co­lat­ing through the cul­ture for decades. Flash for­ward to the 2000s, and we find out­lets like the His­to­ry Chan­nel rou­tine­ly plat­form­ing ‘lost civ­i­liza­tion’ and ‘ancient alien’ nar­ra­tives. Nar­ra­tives still going strong today, thanks, in large part, to their now-rou­tine media main­stream­ing that has been going on for decades:

“Close encoun­ters of the racist kind” by Alexan­der Zaitchik; South­ern Pover­ty Law Cen­ter; 01/02/2018

The mod­ern far right is criss­crossed with pseu­do-sci­en­tif­ic research into lost Aryan super-civ­i­liza­tions, bib­li­cal giants, ancient astro­nauts and the occa­sion­al inter-dimen­sion­al alien.

On Decem­ber 6, 1830, Andrew Jack­son used his sec­ond State of the Union address to defend the Indi­an Removal Act, the administration’s sole leg­isla­tive vic­to­ry. He described the law pro­mul­gat­ing the expul­sion and reset­tle­ment of south­east­ern Native Amer­i­can tribes as the “hap­py con­sum­ma­tion” of U.S. Indi­an pol­i­cy. To his crit­ics who “wept over the fate of the abo­rig­ines” —and who, it turned out, accu­rate­ly pre­dict­ed the hor­rors of the forced migra­tions known col­lec­tive­ly to his­to­ry as the Trail of Tears — Jack­son offered an arche­ol­o­gy les­son. Any “melan­choly reflec­tions” were ahis­tor­i­cal, he said, because the Indi­ans were nei­ther inno­cent vic­tims nor first peo­ples, but per­pe­tra­tors of what Jackson’s mod­ern admir­ers might call “white geno­cide.”

Jack­son knew this because the evi­dence was every­where in plain sight.

“In the mon­u­ments and for­ti­fi­ca­tions of an unknown peo­ple, we behold the memo­ri­als of a once-pow­er­ful race,” said Jack­son, “exter­mi­nat­ed to make room for the exist­ing sav­age tribes.”

This ref­er­ence to a “once-pow­er­ful race” was not lost on the Amer­i­can pub­lic of 1830. Every school­boy and girl knew it to be the Lost Race of the Mound Builders, believed to be the continent’s orig­i­nal Cau­casian inhab­i­tants. From the colo­nial era into the twen­ti­eth cen­tu­ry, it was wide­ly accept­ed that cer­tain earth­en struc­tures and bur­ial grounds proved the exis­tence of “white” or Indo-Euro­pean peo­ples who set­tled North Amer­i­ca only to be wiped out by the arrival of Jackson’s “sav­age (Asi­at­ic) tribes.”

In the ear­ly 1890s, the U.S. eth­nol­o­gist Cyrus Vance dis­cred­it­ed the the­o­ry in a series pub­lished by the Smith­son­ian Insti­tu­tion. But the idea of a pre-Colom­bian “white geno­cide” nev­er dis­ap­peared. It sur­vived in sub­cul­tures, influ­enced by the occult and Atlantis leg­ends, which clung to the­o­ries of lost ancient super-civ­i­liza­tions that, curi­ous­ly, always seemed to be racial­ly “white.”

In recent decades, as evi­dence of a rich­er pale­oamer­i­can record than pre­vi­ous­ly real­ized has come to light, Jackson’s “once-pow­er­ful race” has found a new gen­er­a­tion of boost­ers on the far right, where fan­tasies of “white geno­cide” dis­tant­ly past and cur­rent­ly unfold­ing are an ani­mat­ing obses­sion.

In the frac­tured and con­stant­ly cross-fer­til­iz­ing galaxy of extrem­ist con­spir­a­cy cul­ture, the white Mound­builders —now known on the far right as “the Solutre­ans” — share a stage with oth­er char­ac­ters from an ancient and racial­ly glo­ri­ous but “sup­pressed” past: ancient Nordic-look­ing astro­nauts, bib­li­cal Aryan giants, Nazi sci­en­tists under the South Pole, and the occa­sion­al inter-dimen­sion­al alien in league with the Jews.

Alt-His­to­ry Goes Prime Time

Over the last decade, the His­to­ry Chan­nel has exploit­ed and fueled the pop­u­lar­iza­tion of alter­na­tive arche­ol­o­gy, or alt-his­to­ry. Numer­ous pro­grams on the net­work show­case ideas that, while not explic­it­ly racist or anti-Semit­ic, have ori­gins in colo­nial projects and have been cham­pi­oned (for a rea­son) by mod­ern extrem­ists.

Take “Amer­i­ca Unearthed,” which aired between 2012 and 2015 on H2, a defunct His­to­ry Chan­nel net­work. That show’s host, a geol­o­gist named Scott Wolter, pro­mot­ed the­o­ries that ancient Celts and Scots set­tled North Amer­i­ca and hybridized Native Amer­i­cans cen­turies before Colum­bus. The details can be found in Wolter’s con­tri­bu­tions to Lost Worlds of Ancient Amer­i­ca, a 2012 anthol­o­gy edit­ed by Frank Joseph, born Frank Collin, founder of the Nation­al Social­ist Par­ty of Amer­i­ca. (In 1993, fol­low­ing his expul­sion from the par­ty for “impure blood”, Collin became edi­tor of Ancient Amer­i­can mag­a­zine and has authored dozens of books deal­ing with ancient “sup­pressed” his­to­ry.) In anoth­er episode, when a guest pro­fess­es admi­ra­tion for the Knights of the Gold­en Cir­cle, a group of wealthy South­ern­ers who sought to cre­ate a hemi­spher­ic slave empire, Wolter just nods. (Wolter has denied that he or his ideas are racist, and claims to be polit­i­cal­ly lib­er­al.)

What­ev­er the per­son­al pol­i­tics of the host, these shows serve as vec­tors for racist ideas and schol­ar­ship, argues the inde­pen­dent schol­ar Jason Colav­i­to, who has been track­ing this cul­tur­al crossover and ampli­fi­ca­tion of fringe his­to­ry for years. In books like Foun­da­tions of Atlantis, Ancient Astro­nauts, and Oth­er Alter­na­tive Pasts, Colav­i­to explores and debunks many of the ideas pro­mot­ed on the His­to­ry Chan­nel and far right web­sites alike.

Shows like “Amer­i­ca Unearthed” are heav­i­ly dis­cussed on white nation­al­ist alt-his­to­ry forums, as well as gen­er­al far right polit­i­cal sites like Storm­front. They are rou­tine­ly praised for intro­duc­ing view­ers to vari­a­tions on the Solutre­an Hypoth­e­sis (see below) and rais­ing the pro­file of racist pseu­do-schol­ar­ship.

Con­sid­er the H2 series “In Search of Aliens,” which, before its demise, pro­mot­ed the work of Jan Udo Holey, a Ger­man writer whose anti­se­mit­ic books have been banned across Europe. (Holey’s pen name, Jan Van Hel­sig, is a blunt Drac­u­la ref­er­ence, i.e. Jews are blood­suck­ers.) The His­to­ry Channel’s long-run­ning series “Ancient Aliens,” mean­while, fea­tures David Chil­dress, whose books cite and build on the work of James Church­ward, who pro­mot­ed an ancient empire called the “lost con­ti­nent of Mu,” whose “dom­i­nant race” was an “exceed­ing­ly hand­some peo­ple, with clear white or olive skin.”

While the appeal of these the­o­ries has roots in Jack­son­ian jus­ti­fi­ca­tion for Man­i­fest Des­tiny, their cur­rent man­i­fes­ta­tions are close­ly inter­twined with the ven­omous per­se­cu­tion com­plex­es that moti­vate the mod­ern far right .

“Pseu­do-his­to­ries feed the self-impor­tance and aggriev­e­ment of neo-Nazis and alt-right folk,” says Ben­jamin Rad­ford, a fel­low with the Com­mit­tee for Skep­ti­cal Inquiry who has writ­ten wide­ly on pseu­do-his­to­ry and claims of para­nor­mal activ­i­ty. “They feel their right­ful place in the world has been denied them — by‘Big Arche­ol­o­gy’, byJews, by an oppres­sive gov­ern­ment.”

The Nazi Con­nec­tion

The basic tenets of alt-arche­ol­o­gy and alt-his­to­ry were foun­da­tion­al to the ide­ol­o­gy and pro­gram of Nation­al Social­ism, but the Nazis did not invent them. The Nazi belief in a pure Aryan race with a glo­ri­ous ancient past and dis­tinct genet­ic his­to­ry was cen­tral to a transat­lantic nine­teenth-cen­tu­ry occult scene (that fea­tured a heavy Ger­man influ­ence.) After Hitler assumed pow­er, this belief was insti­tu­tion­al­ized in the form of the Ances­tral Her­itage and Teach­ing Soci­ety, or the Ahnenerbe, an alt-arche­ol­o­gy research out­fit found­ed by Hein­rich Himm­ler and the Atlantis the­o­rist Her­man Wirth.

Under the ban­ner of the Ahnerbe, Nazi explor­ers fanned out across Europe and the globe in search of relics hold­ing (pos­si­bly super­nat­ur­al) hints of ancient Aryan glo­ry. In 1938, a team was dis­patched to Ice­land in search of the lost Aryan civ­i­liza­tion of Thule, which Nazi lead­ers dis­cov­ered in an Ice­landic epic poem. Among the Nazis’ inter­ests in Thule was the leg­end of a race of ancient Aryan giants. (Ver­sions of this myth remain com­mon among bib­li­cal­ly focused alt-his­to­ri­ans like Steve Quayle and L.A. Marzul­li.)

Belief in these leg­ends was pos­si­ble because of the Nazis’ sharp rejec­tion of the Enlight­en­ment. Dis­miss­ing the sci­ence of racial diver­si­fi­ca­tion and the arche­o­log­i­cal record, they rev­eled in sym­bol­o­gy, myths and leg­ends of “pure” ancient king­doms that con­quered the world under its sym­bol, the swasti­ka. (This, the Nazis believed, explained the symbol’s pres­ence in both Native Amer­i­can and Indi­an art.)

The Solutre­ans and the Orig­i­nal “White Geno­cide”

In the U.S., the aver­age mem­ber of the far right is like­ly more famil­iar with the mod­ern ver­sion of Jackson’s Race of the Mound­builders, known as the Solutre­ans.

The name is tak­en from a hypoth­e­sis first pro­mot­ed in the 1930s by the Amer­i­can arche­ol­o­gist Frank Hibben, who dis­cov­ered arrow­heads in North Amer­i­ca that pre-dat­ed the ear­li­est Native Amer­i­can cul­ture known at the time, the Clo­vis. The arrow­heads, argued Hibben, resem­bled those of the Solutre­ans, a Stone Age peo­ple who inhab­it­ed south­west­ern Europe. Most of the field quick­ly dis­missed the sim­i­lar­i­ty as mean­ing­less, but Hibben found adher­ents among those yearn­ing for a new and more sci­en­tif­i­cal­ly respectable ver­sion of Jackson’s “once-pow­er­ful race.” For them, the arrow­heads (and oth­er con­test­ed find­ings) prove that “Euro­pean” Solutre­ans migrat­ed to Amer­i­ca across the north­ern ice-shelf mil­len­nia before “the Mon­goloids” (as Solutre­an adher­ents are apt to describe Native Amer­i­cans.)

There is a sec­ond punch­line to white nation­al­ists con­tin­u­ing to hold up the Solutre­ans as vic­tims of a pre­his­toric white per­se­cu­tion dra­ma: Most schol­ars believe the Solutre­ans pre­ced­ed racial diver­si­fi­ca­tion, and their arrow­heads are arti­facts of a dark-skinned peo­ple not long out of North Africa.

Atlantis, Aliens & Ancient Astro­nauts

In 1882, a decade before the Smith­son­ian debunked the Race of the Mound­builders, a Min­neso­ta Con­gress­man and writer named Ignatius Loy­ola Don­nel­ly pub­lished Atlantis: The Ante­dilu­vian World. The book pro­vid­ed anoth­er and more elab­o­rate the­o­ry of an Aryan-look­ing super civ­i­liza­tion that dif­fused tech­nol­o­gy to the rest of the world. Donnell’s book, based on men­tions of Atlantis by Pla­to, cut the tem­plate for the sci-fi-tinged lost white civ­i­liza­tion the­o­ries now expe­ri­enc­ing a revival on cable tele­vi­sion and beyond.

But just as Atlantis the­o­ry gained trac­tion fol­low­ing the debunk­ing of the Mound­builders, so have the­o­ries of ancient Aryan astro­nauts super­seded Atlantis with the map­ping of the oceans and their floors.

In the 1960s and 70s, Erich von Daniken and Zecharia Sitchin put a twist on myths about Aryan vis­i­tors from a lost civ­i­liza­tion pre­dat­ing the last Ice Age. These vis­i­tors to Mesoamer­i­ca didn’t come from Atlantis but from the sky. Best­sellers like von Daniken’s Char­i­ots of the Gods (sev­en mil­lion sold and count­ing) pop­u­lar­ized the idea that Aryan-look­ing aliens brought sci­ence and tech­nol­o­gy to prim­i­tive peo­ples around the world. In recent years, Gra­ham Han­cock has repack­aged Ancient Astro­naut The­o­ry for a new gen­er­a­tion in his best­selling Fin­ger­prints of the Gods, and through steady work as a His­to­ry Chan­nel talk­ing head.

Today’s far right is divid­ed on Ancient Astro­naut the­o­ry. On the one hand, it denies agency to brown-skinned peo­ples, and fea­tures Aryan-look­ing heroes, which they con­sid­er good things; but it also deprives ancient (human) Aryans of the accom­plish­ments cred­it­ed to them so lav­ish­ly in Atlantis and oth­er the­o­ries.

Con­sid­er the case of Patrick Chouinard, a pro­lif­ic writer who oper­ates the alt-his­to­ry sites RenegadeTribune.com and ancientaryans.com. (The lat­ter site’s sym­bol, the Norse rune, was also the logo of the Nazi Ahnenerbe.) Like the Nazis, the sites are ded­i­cat­ed to recap­tur­ing a lost, pure Aryan civ­i­liza­tion —one respect­ful of, but not depen­dent on alien life. In Sep­tem­ber, Chouinard cast a crit­i­cal eye on the upcom­ing tenth sea­son of the His­to­ry Channel’s Ancient Aliens, in an arti­cle titled “Are Ancient Aliens The­o­rists Sell­ing Our Peo­ple Short?”

Chouinard believes they are. He cites an old episode of the H2’s In Search of Aliens in which the hosts, Gior­gio Tsouka­los and David Chil­dress (see above), explore the alleged mys­tery of some “elon­gat­ed skulls” dis­cov­ered in Peru. Chouinard scoffs at the hosts’ con­clu­sion that the skulls belonged to aliens. Rather, he argued, recon­struc­tions “show a very Nordic facial struc­ture with [a] huge cra­ni­um.” This could be proof, fur­ther­more, of “a sep­a­rate branch of the White race the went along its own evo­lu­tion­ary path over 5,000 years ago.”

And who, you might won­der, does Chouinard believe is behind the Ancient Alien The­o­ry that is “sell­ing his peo­ple short”?

“The Jews,” writes Chouinard, “are using … the ancient alien camp to con­found our race to the point that we deny our own accom­plish­ments. The White race did not need ancient aliens to build our ancient civ­i­liza­tions, or to found oth­er civ­i­liza­tions in remote cor­ners of the Earth. Our race is capa­ble of so much more.”

In 2018, it is dan­ger­ous in alt-ancient his­to­ry cir­cles to com­plete­ly dis­count Ancient Aliens. Chouinard knows this. Rather than risk alien­at­ing his read­ers, he con­cedes, “It is very pos­si­ble that vis­i­ta­tions from extrater­res­tri­als did hap­pen in ancient times, [but] I will not con­clude that the major­i­ty of our accom­plish­ments as a race can be attrib­uted to extrater­res­tri­als.”

UFOs & “Refract­ed” Anti-Semi­tism

Mas­sive and hope­less­ly intri­cate cov­er-ups. Nefar­i­ous alien races with gnomish phys­i­cal fea­tures. Tales of secret Nazi super-tech­nolo­gies. It was always inevitable that the UFO and far right scenes would end up in bed togeth­er. UFO cul­ture cast a shad­ow over every­thing in the post­war years, and as not­ed above, the far right has nev­er been a stranger to the super­nat­ur­al.

In Cul­ture of Con­spir­a­cy, the his­to­ri­an Michael Barkun locates the ear­ly 1990s as the decade this con­ver­gence accel­er­at­ed. Books like William Cooper’s Behold a Pale Horse and jour­nals pub­lished by Gye­or­gos Ceres Hatonn described UFO con­spir­a­cies that fit snug­ly into the New World Order con­spir­a­cy tem­plate, heav­i­ly influ­enc­ing that decade’s mili­tia move­ment. (Okla­homa City bomber Tim­o­thy McVeigh was report­ed­ly a fan of Cooper’s radio show.)

But the seeds of this union are much deep­er in the post­war record. One of the most impor­tant ear­ly UFO writ­ers in the ear­ly 1950s, William Dud­ley Pel­ly, was an Amer­i­can occultist and fas­cist; his most impor­tant dis­ci­ple, George Hunt Williamson, pro­duced Byzan­tine UFO the­o­ries that incor­po­rat­ed anti-Semit­ic themes. Williamson’s 1958 book, UFOsCon­fi­den­tial, claimed every gov­ern­ment on earth was under the con­trol of a hand­ful of (most­ly Jew­ish) “inter­na­tion­al bankers,” which for some rea­son the author believed includ­ed U.S. Supreme Court Jus­tice Felix Frank­furter.

Pel­ley and Williamson’s suc­ces­sors are not always or even often so bla­tant­ly anti-Semit­ic. But the fin­ger­prints of anti-Semi­tes are vis­i­ble in the works of influ­en­tial mod­ern UFO writ­ers like Jim Marrs and Jim Kei­th. These fin­ger­prints appear in what Barkun calls “refract­ed racism and anti-Semi­tism,” in which old tropes are repack­aged as an episode of the X‑Files. This repack­ag­ing often includes not very sub­tle dis­tinc­tions between “benev­o­lent” aliens (tall, Aryan-look­ing) and “malev­o­lent” aliens (short, grotesque, often in league with “inter­na­tion­al bankers”).

More than any­one else, the British con­spir­acist David Icke has pop­u­lar­ized the Alien ver­sion of New World Order con­spir­a­cy. The for­mer sportscaster’s elab­o­rate the­o­ry is the Sgt. Pep­pers album-cov­er of the genre, fea­tur­ing the Masons, the Vat­i­can, the Illu­mi­nati, the House of Wind­sor —every­one is there. At the cen­ter of the the­o­ry is an alien race of lizard peo­ple from the fifth-dimen­sion. Though Icke has always denied traf­fick­ing in anti-Semi­tism, he has endorsed the Pro­to­cols of the Elders of Zion —the famous forgery and foun­da­tion­al text of mod­ern anti-Semi­tism —choos­ing to call it “The Illu­mi­nati Pro­to­cols.”

Hol­low Earth, Secret Nazi Labs & the South Pole

Anoth­er inevitable devel­op­ment in post­war con­spir­a­cy sub­cul­ture was the rise of a belief in secret Nazi bases under­neath Antarc­ti­ca. The idea of a “hol­low” or “inner” earth was a key tenet of nine­teenth-cen­tu­ry occultism, and in the post­war years it reemerged as a set­ting for escaped Nazi sci­en­tists work­ing in secret tech­nol­o­gy and weapons labs.

The leg­end took root dur­ing the mid-1970s, nur­tured by the Cana­di­an neo-Nazi Ernst Zun­del, who argued that Nazis invent­ed fly­ing saucers and had tak­en their break­through tech­nol­o­gy to bases deep under the South Pole.

The Third Reich was inter­est­ed in a pos­si­ble base at the South Pole, and a few high-lev­el Nazis did escape to Argenti­na, whose nation­al ter­ri­to­ry includes a slice of Antarc­ti­ca extend­ing to the South Pole. Zun­del and his suc­ces­sors have infused these facts with Vic­to­ri­an inner-earth leg­ends, and then mar­i­nat­ed them over mul­ti­ple view­ings of the 1968 B‑flick, They Saved Hitler’s Brain. Ver­sions of the the­o­ry remain pop­u­lar on neo-Nazi alt-his­to­ry sites, and in recent years British tabloids like the Mir­ror and Dai­ly Star have found click-bait gold in spread­ing them.

The story’s per­sis­tence led Col­in Sum­mer­hayes of Cam­bridge University’s Polar Research Insti­tute to look into the mat­ter. In a 2006 edi­tion of The Polar Record, Sum­mer­hayes pre­sent­ed his heav­i­ly foot­not­ed and researched con­clu­sion that secret Nazi bases do not exist, and have nev­er exist­ed, on or below Antarc­ti­ca.

As exhaus­tive as it was, it is unlike­ly Sum­mer­hayes’ study had much impact among the theory’s adher­ents. It was, after all, com­pet­ing with an ever expand­ing glut of “hid­den his­to­ry” books, pod­casts and web­sites. One of many such titles to appear that year was SS Broth­er­hood of the Bell: The Nazi’s Incred­i­ble Secret Tech­nol­o­gy, penned by Joseph P. Far­rell, a pro­lif­ic alt-his­to­ri­an and reg­u­lar on Red Ice Radio.

4. And that SPLC report from back in 2018 brings us to the fol­low­ing sto­ry that has received quite a bit of cov­er­age in recent weeks. The kind of sto­ry that has advo­cates of both ‘ancient astro­nauts’ as well as ‘long lost advanced civ­i­liza­tions’ tit­ter­ing with excite­ment: a pair of Ital­ian researchers claim to have dis­cov­ered a vast under­ground city beneath the pyra­mids of Giza. So vast is this pre­vi­ous­ly undis­cov­ered under­ground com­plex that a num­ber of researchers are treat­ing it like a par­a­digm-shat­ter­ing dis­cov­ery that should force a rein­ter­pre­ta­tion of the his­to­ry of the Pyra­mids. That’s the nar­ra­tive get­ting main­stream treat­ment in pub­li­ca­tions like The Dai­ly Mail. Ancient non-advance peo­ple could not have built these vast struc­tures. Only a lost advanced civ­i­liza­tion could have done it. Or aliens:

“Were the Pyra­mids built by aliens? Inside the bizarre con­spir­a­cy the­o­ry ‘backed’ by Elon Musk – after experts make aston­ish­ing dis­cov­ery” By HARRY HOWARD; Dai­ly Mail; 03/30/2025

They were not, so the polemic went, the work of ‘puny’ man, but instead those ‘giants of Mars’.

Yes, the Pyra­mids of Giza – those mon­u­ments to god-like splen­dour that have stood for more than 4,000 years – were built by aliens.

That was the ‘claim’ made by Amer­i­can astronomer Gar­rett P. Serviss in his 1898 book Edison’s Con­quest of Mars.

Per­cep­tive read­ers will have not­ed that Serviss’s work – an unau­tho­rised re-write of HG Wells’ 1897 alien inva­sion nov­el The War of the Worlds – was fic­tion­al.

But it did pop­u­larise a the­o­ry that, even in more recent years, has con­tin­ued to find trac­tion.

In 2020, bil­lion­aire Tes­la boss Elon Musk drew the scorn of experts when he took to Twit­ter – the social net­work that he bought in 2022 for $44billion – to write: ‘Aliens built the pyra­mids obv’.

Now, the dis­cov­ery this month that an ‘under­ground city’ lies in a ‘hid­den world’ beneath Egypt’s most famous pyra­mids has again focused atten­tion on the struc­tures that have obsessed experts and ama­teurs alike for mil­len­nia.

Just what could the vast net­work, which descends more than a mile into the sands, have been used for?

The largest of the three pyra­mids at Giza – the Great Pyra­mid – was built more than 4,500 years ago in around 2560BC for King Khu­fu, who was the sec­ond pharaoh of Ancient Egypt’s fourth dynasty.

Until the com­ple­tion of Lin­coln Cathe­dral in the 14th cen­tu­ry, it was the tallest build­ing in the world.

The pyra­mid, which was topped with a gold or elec­trum cap­ping stone, was built as a sacred tomb for Khu­fu, who believed him­self to be divine.

The oth­er two pyra­mids, built for pharaohs Menkau­re and Khafre, were con­struct­ed decades lat­er.

The notion that the struc­tures were built by or with the help of aliens gained fur­ther trac­tion with Swiss author Erich von Däniken’s influ­en­tial 1968 book Char­i­ots of the Gods.

He argued that Giza’s Great Pyra­mid could not have been built with­out the help of advanced alien tech­nol­o­gy.

The author wrote: ‘If we meek­ly accept the neat pack­age of knowl­edge that the Egyp­tol­o­gists serve up to us, ancient Egypt appears sud­den­ly and with­out tran­si­tion with a fan­tas­tic ready-made civ­i­liza­tion.

‘Great cities and enor­mous tem­ples, colos­sal sta­tus with tremen­dous expres­sive pow­er, splen­did streets flanked by mag­nif­i­cent sculp­tures, per­fect drainage sys­tems, lux­u­ri­ous tombs carved out of the rock, pyra­mids of over­whelm­ing size – these and many oth­er won­der­ful things shot out of the ground, so to speak.

‘Gen­uine mir­a­cles in a coun­try that is sud­den­ly capa­ble of such achieve­ments with­out rec­og­niz­able pre­his­to­ry!’

He added: ‘An arti­fi­cial moun­tain, some 490 feet high and weigh­ing 6,500,000 tons, stands there as evi­dence of an incred­i­ble achieve­ment, and this mon­u­ment is sup­posed to be noth­ing more than the bur­ial place of an extrav­a­gant king!

‘Any­one who can believe that expla­na­tion is wel­come to it…’

The late Bel­gian author Philip Cop­pens was sim­i­lar­ly forth­right in his 2011 book The Ancient Alien Ques­tion.

He said in one pas­sage: ‘If aliens built the Great Pyra­mid, then it needs to be argued that they were also respon­si­ble for at least some of the oth­er pyra­mids in ancient Egypt.’

But experts have rub­bished any notion that beings from oth­er plan­ets might have been involved in the con­struc­tion of the pyra­mids.

Speak­ing on the BBC’s His­to­ry Extra pod­cast, British Egyp­tol­o­gist Pro­fes­sor Joyce Tyldes­ley said: ‘It’s almost almost sort of a bit like a form of racism, isn’t it, that these peo­ple couldn’t do it, so some­one else must have done it.’

‘But I think there’s a bit more to it than that. Because pri­or to the idea of aliens help­ing build the pyra­mids, we had the idea that maybe peo­ple from Atlantis might have helped build the pyra­mids, and pri­or to that, we had the idea that God inspired builders to use the pyra­mid inch, a divine­ly inspired mea­sure­ment to build the pyra­mids.

‘So I think it’s that there’s always been a long suc­ces­sion of the­o­ries about how the pyra­mids might have been built, and as one is sort of super­seded by the oth­er.

‘So it doesn’t just come out of nowhere. I think it’s a sort of chang­ing and evolv­ing belief as how the pyra­mids might have been built, and that’s just the lat­est one that we have.

‘As we become more inter­est­ed in space and aliens, then they’ve sort of been attached to this the­o­ry as well.’

The Great Pyra­mid was sup­pos­ed­ly com­plet­ed in 24 years.

But it was built from 2.3million lime­stone blocks, with each one weigh­ing between 2.5tons 70 tons.

British writer Gra­ham Han­cock not­ed: ‘Assum­ing the masons worked ten hours a day, 365 days a year, they would have need­ed to place one block every two min­utes.’

The lat­est dis­cov­ery that cav­ernous spaces exist beneath the pyra­mids was made by researchers from the Uni­ver­si­ty of Strath­clyde in Glas­gow and the Ital­ian Uni­ver­si­ty of Pisa.

‘When we mag­ni­fy the images we will reveal that beneath it lies what can only be described as a true under­ground city… an entire hid­den world of many struc­tures,’ said Cor­ra­do Malan­ga, one of the archae­o­log­i­cal researchers.

It remains a mys­tery how much old­er than the pyra­mids the struc­tures are.

It is also unknown was their pur­pose is, but they are con­nect­ed by geo­met­ric pas­sages.

Even more spec­tac­u­lar are eight ver­ti­cal columns that descend 2,1245feet into a pair of huge cham­bers.

The depth is is almost five times the height of the Khafre Pyra­mid.

The cylin­ders are aligned in two rows of four that run north to south.

Giv­en that the edges of the Great Pyra­mids face exact­ly north, south, east and west, the arrange­ments of the cylin­ders is cer­tain to be sig­nif­i­cant.

And around each pil­lar is a stair­case-like walk­way.

5.And that Dai­ly Mail report from March 30 brings us to the fol­low­ing Dai­ly Mail report from 8 days ear­li­er. A report that includes some rather impor­tant details regard­ing the verac­i­ty of these find­ings. Details left out of the March 30 report entire­ly: the study hasn’t been peer reviewed and experts have already debunked it:

“The bomb­shell the­o­ry – which many experts claim to have already debunked – comes from a study that used radar puls­es to cre­ate high-res­o­lu­tion images deep into the ground beneath the struc­tures, the same way sonar radar is used to map the depths of the ocean.”

A bomb­shell theory…that hap­pens to have already been debunked by experts. It’s a rather impor­tant detail in this sto­ry. A detail the Dai­ly Mail decid­ed to include in this March 22 ver­sion of that sto­ry but left out of the above March 30 ver­sion entire­ly. No men­tion at all of all the prob­lems with this ‘ground­break­ing research’. That’s part of the con­text of this sto­ry of the amaz­ing dis­cov­ery beneath the pyra­mids. The Dai­ly Mail went from pro­mot­ing this sto­ry – while at least includ­ing some expert caveats – to just pro­mot­ing it with­out the caveats. So when we see how Joe Rogan has been pro­mot­ing the idea that the pyra­mids are some sort of ancient hydro­gen-gen­er­at­ing pow­er plant or oth­er ‘experts’ sug­gest it’s all evi­dence of a “pre-flood era civil­i­sa­tion that was flour­ish­ing in a way that we can scarce­ly com­pre­hend”, keep in mind how the pub­lic at large is being ‘informed’ about these ‘alter­na­tive his­to­ries’ from a vari­ety of dif­fer­ence sources. Between online news like the Dai­ly Mail or pod­cast­ers like Joe Rogan, the main­stream­ing of the ‘ancient aliens’ meme has gone well being the His­to­ry Chan­nel. Learn­ing that one of the two researchers, Cor­ra­do Malan­ga, is a UFOl­o­gist and has appeared on YouTube shows about aliens is kind of what we should expect at this point:


Amer­i­can pod­cast­er Joe Rogan has now weighed in on the ‘mind-blow­ing’ devel­op­ment, call­ing it ‘very very very weird’.

Rogan said: ‘This is insane. It’s quite stun­ning. They don’t under­stand what it is but it’s a uni­form struc­ture. There are sev­er­al pil­lars and all of this is very very very weird.

‘It’s real­ly crazy.’

He added: ‘Christo­pher Dunne believes that the Pyra­mid of Giza is a big pow­er plant.

‘He has a the­o­ry about why its built the way its built.

‘He thinks it coin­cides with the abil­i­ty to pro­duce hydro­gen, to utilise the rays of space and to gen­er­ate elec­tric­i­ty through this.’

Researcher Jay Ander­son added: ‘What has just been announced in rela­tion to the pyra­mids at the Giza plateau and the plateau itself is so incred­i­ble, so awe-inspir­ing and nar­ra­tive shat­ter­ing that I’ve been sit­ting here for the last hour try­ing to wrap my heard around the impli­ca­tions of what we were just told.

‘It’s noth­ing short of mind­blow­ing. What’s been dis­cov­ered is that there are huge struc­tures com­ing down from the base of the pyra­mid deep into the bedrock.

‘It then con­nects to mas­sive inter­nal struc­tures deep deep down.

‘The pyra­mid itself was already a mas­sive red flag in the ancient Egypt­ian his­tor­i­cal nar­ra­tive but now, with this dis­cov­ery, I think it’s impos­si­ble to say that the Egyp­tians we’ve been taught about built these struc­tures.

‘It pro­vides the most extra­or­di­nary evi­dence for a pre-flood era civil­i­sa­tion that was flour­ish­ing in a way that we can scarce­ly com­pre­hend.’

Malan­ga is a UFOl­o­gist and has appeared on YouTube shows about aliens, where he has dis­cussed his more than decade-long career of study­ing UFO sight­ings in Italy.

Bion­di, on the oth­er hand spe­cial­izes radar tech­nol­o­gy.

Malan­ga and Biondi’s pub­lished a sep­a­rate peer-reviewed paper in Octo­ber 2022 in the sci­en­tif­ic jour­nal Remote Sens­ing which found hid­den rooms and ramps inside Khafre, along with evi­dence of a ther­mal anom­aly near the pyramid’s base.

The new study used sim­i­lar tech­nol­o­gy, but got a boost from a satel­lite orbit­ing Earth.

The new radar tech­nique works by com­bin­ing satel­lite radar data with tiny vibra­tions from nat­u­ral­ly-occur­ring seis­mic move­ments, to con­struct 3D images of what lies beneath the sur­face of the earth, with­out doing any phys­i­cal dig­ging.

Sad­ly, instead, it appears that the researchers behind this bomb­shell report are engag­ing in a “huge exag­ger­a­tion” at best, mak­ing claims that sim­ply aren’t pos­si­ble giv­en the tech­nol­o­gy. And then there’s the pro­pri­etary data analy­sis soft­ware that doesn’t lend itself to peer review. How con­ve­nient:


The paper, which has not been peer-reviewed by inde­pen­dent experts, found eight ver­ti­cal cylin­der-shaped struc­tures extend­ing more than 2,100 feet below the pyra­mid and more unknown struc­tures 4,000 feet deep­er.

A press release described the find­ings as ‘ground­break­ing’ and if true could rewrite the his­to­ry of ancient Egypt.

How­ev­er, inde­pen­dent experts have raised seri­ous con­cerns about the study.

Pro­fes­sor Lawrence Cony­ers, a radar expert at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Den­ver who focus­es on archae­ol­o­gy, told DailyMail.com that it is not pos­si­ble for the tech­nol­o­gy to pen­e­trate that deeply into the ground, mak­ing the idea of an under­ground city ‘a huge exag­ger­a­tion.’

Pro­fes­sor Cony­ers said it is con­ceiv­able there are small struc­tures, such as shafts and cham­bers, beneath the pyra­mids that exist­ed before they were built because the site was ‘spe­cial to ancient peo­ple.’

He high­light­ed how ‘the Mayans and oth­er peo­ple in ancient Mesoamer­i­ca often built pyra­mids on top of the entrances of caves or cav­erns that had cer­e­mo­ni­al mean­ing to them.’

The work by Cor­ra­do Malan­ga, from Italy’s Uni­ver­si­ty of Pisa, and Fil­ip­po Bion­di with the Uni­ver­si­ty of Strath­clyde in Scot­land has only been released dur­ing an in-per­son brief­ing in Italy this week and is yet to be pub­lished in a sci­en­tif­ic jour­nal, where it would need to be ana­lyzed by inde­pen­dent experts.

Despite the scep­ti­cism, Pro­fes­sor Cony­ers added that the only way to prove the dis­cov­er­ies to be true would be ‘tar­get­ed exca­va­tions.’

He also told DailyMail.com that he could not tell if the tech­nol­o­gy used actu­al­ly picked up hid­den struc­ture below the pyra­mid.

‘They are using all kinds of fan­cy pro­pri­etary data analy­sis soft­ware,’ said Pro­fes­sor Cony­ers.

Final­ly, note the mem­ber of con­gress who decid­ed to share their inter­est in the alleged find­ings: Anna Pauli­na Luna, the same mem­ber of con­gress who has tak­en the lead in the dis­clo­sure of state secrets sur­round­ing events like the assas­si­na­tions of JFK, MLK, and UFOs. Again, how con­ve­nient:


The news has gone viral this week, with X flood­ed with posts about the poten­tial dis­cov­ery.

Flori­da con­gress­woman Anna Pauli­na Luna shared a post about the struc­tures on her X page.

It’s kind of amaz­ing that we aren’t get­ting more reports of mem­bers of Con­gress tout­ing this sto­ry. Unfound­ed claims of ancient aliens and lost civ­i­liza­tions are weird­ly on brand for the sec­ond Trump admin­is­tra­tion. How long before we get a con­gres­sion­al hear­ing on the hor­rors of Crit­i­cal Race The­o­ry wip­ing away the proud his­to­ry of the Aryan Mound Builders? It’s just a mat­ter of time at this point. It’s the actu­al cred­i­ble evi­dence for the Aryan Mound Builders that we’ll have to keep wait­ing for.

“Wild new the­o­ries emerge after sci­en­tists claim to have dis­cov­ered a ‘vast CITY’ 6,500ft below the Pyra­mids of Giza – as Joe Rogan weighs in on ‘mind-blow­ing’ devel­op­ment” By EMILY JANE DAVIES and STACY LIBERATORE; Dai­ly Mail; 03/22/2025

“The bomb­shell the­o­ry – which many experts claim to have already debunked – comes from a study that used radar puls­es to cre­ate high-res­o­lu­tion images deep into the ground beneath the struc­tures, the same way sonar radar is used to map the depths of the ocean.”

The ‘ground­break­ing’ dis­cov­ery beneath the Egypt­ian pyra­mids has tak­en the world by storm and new the­o­ries have emerged to cast doubt on how the struc­tures were built.

Researchers from Italy and Scot­land claim to have uncov­ered ‘a vast under­ground city’ which stretch­es more than 6,500 feet direct­ly under­neath the Pyra­mids of Giza, mak­ing them 10 times larg­er than the pyra­mids them­selves.

The bomb­shell the­o­ry – which many experts claim to have already debunked – comes from a study that used radar puls­es to cre­ate high-res­o­lu­tion images deep into the ground beneath the struc­tures, the same way sonar radar is used to map the depths of the ocean.

Amer­i­can pod­cast­er Joe Rogan has now weighed in on the ‘mind-blow­ing’ devel­op­ment, call­ing it ‘very very very weird’.

Rogan said: ‘This is insane. It’s quite stun­ning. They don’t under­stand what it is but it’s a uni­form struc­ture. There are sev­er­al pil­lars and all of this is very very very weird.

‘It’s real­ly crazy.’

He added: ‘Christo­pher Dunne believes that the Pyra­mid of Giza is a big pow­er plant.

‘He has a the­o­ry about why its built the way its built.

‘He thinks it coin­cides with the abil­i­ty to pro­duce hydro­gen, to utilise the rays of space and to gen­er­ate elec­tric­i­ty through this.’

Researcher Jay Ander­son added: ‘What has just been announced in rela­tion to the pyra­mids at the Giza plateau and the plateau itself is so incred­i­ble, so awe-inspir­ing and nar­ra­tive shat­ter­ing that I’ve been sit­ting here for the last hour try­ing to wrap my heard around the impli­ca­tions of what we were just told.

‘It’s noth­ing short of mind­blow­ing. What’s been dis­cov­ered is that there are huge struc­tures com­ing down from the base of the pyra­mid deep into the bedrock.

‘It then con­nects to mas­sive inter­nal struc­tures deep deep down.

‘The pyra­mid itself was already a mas­sive red flag in the ancient Egypt­ian his­tor­i­cal nar­ra­tive but now, with this dis­cov­ery, I think it’s impos­si­ble to say that the Egyp­tians we’ve been taught about built these struc­tures.

‘It pro­vides the most extra­or­di­nary evi­dence for a pre-flood era civil­i­sa­tion that was flour­ish­ing in a way that we can scarce­ly com­pre­hend.’

The paper, which has not been peer-reviewed by inde­pen­dent experts, found eight ver­ti­cal cylin­der-shaped struc­tures extend­ing more than 2,100 feet below the pyra­mid and more unknown struc­tures 4,000 feet deep­er.

A press release described the find­ings as ‘ground­break­ing’ and if true could rewrite the his­to­ry of ancient Egypt.

How­ev­er, inde­pen­dent experts have raised seri­ous con­cerns about the study.

Pro­fes­sor Lawrence Cony­ers, a radar expert at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Den­ver who focus­es on archae­ol­o­gy, told DailyMail.com that it is not pos­si­ble for the tech­nol­o­gy to pen­e­trate that deeply into the ground, mak­ing the idea of an under­ground city ‘a huge exag­ger­a­tion.’

Pro­fes­sor Cony­ers said it is con­ceiv­able there are small struc­tures, such as shafts and cham­bers, beneath the pyra­mids that exist­ed before they were built because the site was ‘spe­cial to ancient peo­ple.’

He high­light­ed how ‘the Mayans and oth­er peo­ple in ancient Mesoamer­i­ca often built pyra­mids on top of the entrances of caves or cav­erns that had cer­e­mo­ni­al mean­ing to them.’

The work by Cor­ra­do Malan­ga, from Italy’s Uni­ver­si­ty of Pisa, and Fil­ip­po Bion­di with the Uni­ver­si­ty of Strath­clyde in Scot­land has only been released dur­ing an in-per­son brief­ing in Italy this week and is yet to be pub­lished in a sci­en­tif­ic jour­nal, where it would need to be ana­lyzed by inde­pen­dent experts.

Despite the scep­ti­cism, Pro­fes­sor Cony­ers added that the only way to prove the dis­cov­er­ies to be true would be ‘tar­get­ed exca­va­tions.’

‘My take is that as long as authors are not mak­ing things up and that their basic meth­ods are cor­rect, their inter­pre­ta­tions should be giv­en a look by all who care about the site,’ he explained.

‘We can quib­ble about inter­pre­ta­tions, and that is called sci­ence. But the basic meth­ods need to be sol­id.’

He also told DailyMail.com that he could not tell if the tech­nol­o­gy used actu­al­ly picked up hid­den struc­ture below the pyra­mid.

‘They are using all kinds of fan­cy pro­pri­etary data analy­sis soft­ware,’ said Pro­fes­sor Cony­ers.

Malan­ga is a UFOl­o­gist and has appeared on YouTube shows about aliens, where he has dis­cussed his more than decade-long career of study­ing UFO sight­ings in Italy.

Bion­di, on the oth­er hand spe­cial­izes radar tech­nol­o­gy.

Malan­ga and Biondi’s pub­lished a sep­a­rate peer-reviewed paper in Octo­ber 2022 in the sci­en­tif­ic jour­nal Remote Sens­ing which found hid­den rooms and ramps inside Khafre, along with evi­dence of a ther­mal anom­aly near the pyramid’s base.

The new study used sim­i­lar tech­nol­o­gy, but got a boost from a satel­lite orbit­ing Earth.

The new radar tech­nique works by com­bin­ing satel­lite radar data with tiny vibra­tions from nat­u­ral­ly-occur­ring seis­mic move­ments, to con­struct 3D images of what lies beneath the sur­face of the earth, with­out doing any phys­i­cal dig­ging.

Nicole Cic­co­lo, the project’s spokesper­son, said: ‘A vast under­ground city has been dis­cov­ered beneath the pyra­mids,’

‘[The] ground­break­ing study has rede­fined the bound­aries of satel­lite data analy­sis and archae­o­log­i­cal explo­ration.’

The cylin­der-shaped struc­tures, which Cic­co­lo referred to as ‘shafts,’ were arranged in two par­al­lel rows and sur­round­ed by descend­ing spi­ral path­ways.

Cic­co­lo said the cylin­der struc­tures were found under­neath each of the three pyra­mids and appeared ‘to serve as access points to this under­ground sys­tem.’

The team explained the sys­tem as oth­er cham­ber-like struc­tures inter­con­nect­ing under all three of the pyra­mids.

‘The exis­tence of vast cham­bers beneath the earth’s sur­face, com­pa­ra­ble in size to the pyra­mids them­selves, which have a remark­ably strong cor­re­la­tion between the leg­endary Halls of Amen­ti,’ Cic­co­lo said.

‘These new archae­o­log­i­cal find­ings could rede­fine our under­stand­ing of the sacred topog­ra­phy of ancient Egypt, pro­vid­ing spa­tial coor­di­nates for pre­vi­ous­ly unknown and unex­plored sub­ter­ranean struc­tures,’ she added.

The news has gone viral this week, with X flood­ed with posts about the poten­tial dis­cov­ery.

Flori­da con­gress­woman Anna Pauli­na Luna shared a post about the struc­tures on her X page.

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Discussion

11 comments for “FTR#‘s 1379 & 1380: Team Trump Takes the Field, Parts 5 and 6”

  1. Good after­noon, Mr. Every, I’ve been fol­low­ing your work since then, and I find the top­ics you’ve cov­ered inter­est­ing. I’ll get straight to the point. I’ve cer­tain­ly heard or read the work of Pol­ish jour­nal­ist and researcher Igor Witkows­ki on UFOs and their rela­tion­ship with the Third Reich, and on the so-called Die Glocke.

    Have you con­sid­ered writ­ing or ana­lyz­ing what this per­son has said in recent years? With­out going into too much detail, what is your opin­ion of the work Joseph P. Far­rell has done on the sub­ject of the Nazis?

    Sin­cere­ly, Chris.

    Posted by Chris | May 12, 2025, 11:18 am
  2. @Chris–

    My name is spelled “E‑M-O-R‑Y,” not “E‑V-E-R‑Y.”

    Cor­dial­ly,

    Dave Emory

    Posted by Dave Emory | May 12, 2025, 6:07 pm
  3. The intel­lec­tu­al degra­da­tion of the Amer­i­can pub­lic is hard­ly a new phe­nom­e­na, going back to the pop­u­lar­iza­tion of tele­vi­sion at the very least. But that does­n’t mean it can’t get much, much worse. Faster than many sus­pect pos­si­ble. Which brings us to the fol­low­ing Talk­ing Points Memo report about a new devel­op­ment in the intel­lec­tu­al degra­da­tion of the US pop­u­lace that could prove to be par­tic­u­lar­ly dam­ag­ing should we expe­ri­ence some sort of ‘UFO event’ in com­ing years:

    Pres­i­dent Trump’s media com­pa­ny has a new stream­ing plat­form, Truth+, one of the var­i­ous enti­ties along with the Truth Social social media plat­form that has been devel­oped by Trump Media and Tech­nol­o­gy Group (TMTG), an enti­ty major­i­ty owned by Trump him­self. The stream­ing enti­ty was formed in 2024 with an invest­ment by Repub­li­can mega-donor James E. Davi­son in a move that had many experts con­cerned about the undue influ­ence such an arrange­ment cre­ates for Davi­son. But as we’re going to see, the con­cerns about undue influ­ence should go far beyond con­cerns over whether or not a Repub­li­can mega-donor has inap­pro­pri­ate access to the US pres­i­dent. Because it turns out Truth+ has become a source of some high­ly con­cern­ing influ­ence over its audi­ence. Specif­i­cal­ly, the influ­ence what appears to be a flood of ‘doc­u­men­taries’ on Truth+ assert­ing ancient alien manip­u­la­tions of human­i­ty. Alien manip­u­la­tions that include not just an alien hand behind major reli­gions — with the Judeochris­t­ian God and Hin­du Krisha pos­si­bly aliens them­selves — but the alien cre­ation of human­i­ty itself. Yep, the aliens are our gods. Or at least that’s what these ‘doc­u­men­taries’ sug­gest the evi­dence points towards.

    But not nec­es­sar­i­ly nice gods. These ‘doc­u­men­taries’ don’t exact­ly paint this alien influ­ence on human­i­ty as some sort of benign or pos­i­tive influ­ence. No, the aliens appear to have some sort of very sin­is­ter agen­da, which includes a “blood lab” in New Mex­i­co that oper­ates as part of a secret US gov­ern­ment agen­da to both keep the real­i­ty of UFOs hid­den while pro­vid­ing the aliens with blood they can con­sume. Oth­er projects at these labs include “delib­er­ate pro­duc­tion of utter­ly abom­inable results such as ape-human embryos and oth­er ungod­ly bio­log­i­cal com­bi­na­tions.” The ‘doc­u­men­tary’ “Lizard Peo­ple” por­trays the aliens as some sort of rep­til­ian race, in keep­ing with the ‘rep­til­ian shape-shifters’ nar­ra­tive that has long defined much of the “Illu­mi­nati” lore pop­u­lar­ized by fig­ures like David Icke. “Lizard Peo­ple” was con­sis­tent­ly on the “10 most watch” list for Truth+ dur­ing the week pri­or to the pub­li­ca­tion of the TPM piece.

    The doc­u­men­taries appear to be almost entire­ly the cre­ation of one par­tic­u­lar pro­duc­tion com­pa­ny: Alche­my Werks LLC. In pro­duc­er of these ‘doc­u­men­taries’, Charles Thompsen, has pro­duced over a dozen such films since 2022. “I don’t know how you could take ‘Lizard Peo­ple’ seri­ous­ly, hon­est­ly,” claimed Thompsen, who went on to com­pare them to “Dun­geons and Drag­ons” and oth­er fan­ta­sy enter­tain­ment. And, in fact, these films don’t exclu­sive­ly show up on Truth+. They appear on mul­ti­ple stream­ing plat­forms. But it only seems to be Truth+ that labels them as “doc­u­men­taries” and not “sci-fi” or “fan­ta­sy”. Amus­ing­ly, Thompsen told TPM he would con­tact Truth+ about the “doc­u­men­tary” label they gave two of the most noto­ri­ous films he pro­duced, “Lizard Peo­ple” and “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles: Dark Under­world”. It appears the lat­ter got shift­ed to a “sci-fi” cat­e­go­ry on Truth+ while the for­mer is still a “doc­u­men­tary”.

    The piece also con­tains an inter­est­ing his­tor­i­cal detail that might relate to the obses­sion that ani­mat­ed Elon Musk’s grand­fa­ther, Joshua Halde­man, along with Elon’s own inter­ests in the alien ori­gins of the pyra­mids. As we’ve seen, Halde­man was obsessed with dis­cov­er­ing evi­dence of ancient civ­i­liza­tions (of non-black peo­ple ) in Africa, hav­ing been con­vinced that such a dis­cov­ery would serve as a his­tor­i­cal jus­ti­fi­ca­tion for the South African apartheid gov­ern­ment. Well, accord­ing to researcher Logan Strain, the pop­u­lar­iza­tion of the ‘lizard peo­ple’ ancient civ­i­liza­tion con­cept took off in the 1940s after a cult leader, Mau­rice Dore­al, read a fic­tion­al sto­ry about lizard peo­ple by Robert E. Howard, the author of the Conan the Bar­bar­ian series. Dore­al went on to author a pam­phlet enti­tled The Mys­ter­ies of Gobi that described a civ­i­liza­tion of ancient lizard peo­ple beneath the desert.

    So has Pres­i­dent Trump tak­en any steps to address the many prob­lems asso­ci­at­ed with own­ing a stream­ing plat­form that mis­la­bels lizard alien con­spir­a­cy movies as ‘doc­u­men­taries’? LOL, of course not. Or at least he has­n’t tak­en any mean­ing­ful steps. Instead, the pres­i­dent placed his major­i­ty shares of TMTG in a revo­ca­ble trust man­aged sole­ly by Don­ald Trump Jr. In addi­tion, TMT­G’s CEO and chair­man hap­pens to be Devin Nunes who serves as the cur­rent chair of the Pres­i­den­t’s Intel­li­gence Advi­so­ry board. Yes, the chair of the Pres­i­den­t’s Intel­li­gence Advi­so­ry board is the guy over­see­ing the pro­mo­tion of lizard peo­ple ‘doc­u­men­taries’.

    And that’s all why we should prob­a­bly expect a grow­ing pub­lic belief in ancient alien civ­i­liza­tions manip­u­lat­ing human­i­ty. At least the mem­bers of the pub­lic gullible enough to sign up for the stream­ing plat­form owned by the Pres­i­dent of the Unit­ed States. This is where we are:

    Talk­ing Points Memo

    Pres­i­dent Trump’s Media Com­pa­ny Is Offer­ing Movies About ‘Lizard Peo­ple’ And Oth­er Wild Con­spir­a­cy The­o­ries

    Among oth­er things, movies on the Truth+ stream­ing ser­vice have sug­gest­ed Jesus Christ and Bud­dha are aliens.

    By Hunter Walk­er
    May 6, 2025 10:16 a.m.

    Less than two min­utes into the movie, the nar­ra­tor makes a shock­ing claim.

    “The evi­dence we are about to present to you has the poten­tial to rewrite thou­sands of years of human his­to­ry. It will present evi­dence that sug­gests ancient ser­pent or lizard-like aliens came to earth thou­sands of years ago,” the nar­ra­tor says. “We’ll also present evi­dence that these ancient aliens are still among us today.”

    This bizarre nar­ra­tive echoes a para­noia about shad­owy rep­til­ians that has per­sist­ed for decades on the absolute fringes of the con­spir­a­cy the­o­ry move­ment. How­ev­er, in this case, the sto­ry of “ser­pent or lizard-like aliens” who are secret­ly wield­ing influ­ence over the human race isn’t com­ing from some pam­phlet or dark cor­ner of the inter­net. It is among the most watched films avail­able for stream­ing on a ser­vice run by a multi­bil­lion dol­lar media com­pa­ny that is owned by the Pres­i­dent of the Unit­ed States.

    When they launched a stream­ing ser­vice last year, Pres­i­dent Trump’s busi­ness part­ners at the Trump Media and Tech­nol­o­gy Group announced it would be focused on “news, Chris­t­ian con­tent, and fam­i­ly friend­ly pro­gram­ming that is uncan­cellable by Big Tech.” Yet this sup­posed haven for young view­ers and whole­some Chris­t­ian fare is also home to “Lizard Peo­ple: Rulers of Time and Space,” a bizarre hour-long movie that presents claims that there is a race of “ser­pent-like aliens who cre­at­ed humans and the reli­gious sys­tems used to con­trol them.” As of this writ­ing, Trump’s com­pa­ny is mar­ket­ing this to view­ers as a “doc­u­men­tary” — and it’s not the only one on their plat­form filled with shock­ing state­ments link­ing Chris­tian­i­ty and oth­er faiths to shad­owy, sin­is­ter alien con­spir­a­cies.

    These ideas are easy to dis­miss as utter­ly and obvi­ous­ly ridicu­lous. How­ev­er, they have a his­to­ry of attract­ing trou­bled believ­ers on the fur­thest con­spir­a­cy fringe. And, while these movies are avail­able on oth­er stream­ing plat­forms, in this case the sit­ting president’s nascent media empire is play­ing a role in the pro­mo­tion of this extreme con­tent. Trump’s stream­ing ser­vice also seems to have helped it to find an audi­ence. On Mon­day and through much of last week, “Lizard Peo­ple” was list­ed among the top 10 “most watched” pro­grams on the stream­ing ser­vice.

    ...

    Through­out his sec­ond re-elec­tion cam­paign and first hun­dred days back in office, Pres­i­dent Trump has used the Truth Social plat­form to issue near con­stant updates includ­ing pol­i­cy pro­nounce­ments, per­son­nel announce­ments, attacks on his polit­i­cal ene­mies, and even mus­ings on last month’s NFL Draft. The site serves a qua­si-offi­cial role with Trump’s “truths” some­times also being dis­trib­uted by the offi­cial White House Office of Com­mu­ni­ca­tions. Truth Social was launched in ear­ly 2022 after Trump was banned from mul­ti­ple more main­stream sites fol­low­ing the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capi­tol. The plat­form is the cen­ter­piece of Trump Media & Tech­nol­o­gy Group, a com­pa­ny that is major­i­ty owned by the pres­i­dent and that has exten­sive ties to his cur­rent admin­is­tra­tion.

    More recent­ly, as Trump’s media empire has made head­lines for quick­ly los­ing and rais­ing mas­sive sums of cash, it has expand­ed beyond social net­work­ing into oth­er forms of enter­tain­ment. Now, the company’s ven­tures include Truth+, the stream­ing ser­vice with mul­ti­ple films being mar­ket­ed as doc­u­men­taries that present wild con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries, includ­ing alle­ga­tions alien beings are “manip­u­lat­ing world events and are using reli­gion and oth­er means to secret­ly con­trol human­i­ty.”

    ...

    TMTG, which is also known as “Trump Media,” has had what one ana­lyst described to the UK’s Tele­graph news­pa­per as a “wild ride large­ly fueled by Don­ald Trump’s polit­i­cal influ­ence.” TMTG was start­ed in 2021 by Trump and two for­mer con­tes­tants on his real­i­ty show, “The Appren­tice.” The rela­tion­ship between Trump and the oth­er founders even­tu­al­ly descend­ed into law­suits as the com­pa­ny under­went a merg­er and pre­pared to go pub­lic. TMTG, which trades under the sym­bol “DJT,” had its IPO in March 2024 at an $8 bil­lion val­u­a­tion. Since then, the stock has been on a roller­coast­er ride, with prices climb­ing above $60 after the ini­tial offer­ing before com­ing down to, as of last week, rough­ly $25.

    Hav­ing a pub­licly trad­ed media com­pa­ny means Trump, who owns a major­i­ty of the DJT shares, is in a posi­tion to rake in sums from indi­vid­ual adver­tis­ers and investors at a lev­el that is unprece­dent­ed for a sit­ting pres­i­dent. After win­ning the 2024 elec­tion, Trump placed his stake in the com­pa­ny into a revo­ca­ble trust sole­ly man­aged by his son, Don­ald Trump Jr., who is also on the company’s board. The pres­i­dent isn’t the only offi­cial who has been in a posi­tion to cash in on the com­pa­ny. Oth­er mem­bers of the Trump admin­is­tra­tion have also held shares or served on TMTG’s board. TMTG’s CEO and chair­man is Devin Nunes, who is a for­mer Repub­li­can con­gress­man and the cur­rent chair of the President’s Intel­li­gence Advi­so­ry board.

    TMTG’s high val­ue has, thus far, been at odds with steep loss­es that have dwarfed the company’s rev­enues and totaled over $400 mil­lion last year. Stock sales have helped Trump Media off­set that and close out 2024 with a $777 mil­lion cash reserve. How­ev­er, even with those assets, the com­pa­ny appears to be search­ing for ways to expand its busi­ness mod­el. Truth+, which includes a stream­ing ser­vice, launched last August and has been framed by Nunes as cen­tral to those efforts.

    In an April 29 let­ter to share­hold­ers, Nunes described sev­er­al poten­tial rev­enue streams from Truth+, includ­ing a cryp­to token and “pre­mi­um fea­tures” for sub­scribers like a ver­i­fied “red check badge.” Nunes reit­er­at­ed the mes­sage that the stream­ing ser­vice would focus on the fam­i­ly and peo­ple of faith.

    “We’re assess­ing var­i­ous means of mon­e­tiz­ing the Truth+ plat­form, includ­ing through adver­tis­ing and a sub­scrip­tion pack­age with pre­mi­um con­tent,” Nunes wrote. “Mean­while, we are con­tin­u­ing our efforts to secure new pro­gram­ming encom­pass­ing fam­i­ly-friend­ly enter­tain­ment, doc­u­men­taries, children’s shows, Chris­t­ian con­tent, and unbi­ased news broad­casts.”

    The cur­rent slate of stream­able video on Truth+ includes rebroad­casts of shows from the right-wing cable net­work “Real America’s Voice” and dis­graced for­mer Fox News host Bill O’Reilly. Along with par­ti­san news, there are also doc­u­men­taries, reli­gious pro­gram­ming, and movies includ­ing some that are clear­ly labeled “sci fi, “fan­ta­sy,” and “hor­ror.” Among these offer­ings are mul­ti­ple shows that veer towards the extreme and con­spir­a­to­r­i­al.

    While oth­er Truth+ pro­gram­ming is cat­e­go­rized with enter­tain­ment gen­res, as of this writ­ing, the full descrip­tion on the ser­vice iden­ti­fies “Lizard Peo­ple” sim­ply as a “doc­u­men­tary” that pos­es a tan­ta­liz­ing, trou­bling ques­tion: “Did ancient ser­pent or Lizard-like aliens come to Earth thou­sands of years ago to play a role in cre­at­ing human­i­ty and are they still among us today?”

    View­ers who are intrigued by this pitch and opt to watch are treat­ed to a brief “WARNING” not­ing “some parts of this film may be objec­tion­able or offen­sive and may con­tain trig­gers for post trau­mat­ic stress dis­or­der, for some view­ers.” The dis­claimer also declares “the views and opin­ions expressed in this film are entire­ly those of its mak­ers.” Oth­er than that, the hour-long show con­tains no effort to ques­tion or down­play any of the shock­ing claims con­tained there­in. Instead, the deep-voiced nar­ra­tor repeat­ed­ly and author­i­ta­tive­ly sug­gests the film’s claims all may be true.

    “There is a great deal of evi­dence to sug­gest that alien, ser­pent-like crea­tures did come to Earth thou­sands of years ago and cre­at­ed reli­gion, human­i­ty, and con­tin­ue to con­trol us even now,” the nar­ra­tor says at one point.

    Along with the dra­mat­ic nar­ra­tion, “Lizard Peo­ple” includes a com­pi­la­tion from var­i­ous stock footage and image libraries along with com­put­er ani­ma­tions. The “evi­dence” pre­sent­ed resists basic scruti­ny, as it large­ly lacks cita­tions and con­sists of sweep­ing state­ments about ancient art, cul­ture, and more mod­ern alien encoun­ters. While the premise and bizarre pre­sen­ta­tion ensure that remote­ly dis­cern­ing audi­ences would dis­miss the film’s claims, they are con­tin­u­al­ly pre­sent­ed as whol­ly fac­tu­al research sup­port­ed in part by the asser­tions of fed­er­al gov­ern­ment agen­cies.

    “With every pass­ing day, NASA tells us that they have dis­cov­ered yet anoth­er earth-like plan­et that could sus­tain life,” the “Lizard Peo­ple” nar­ra­tor states near the end of the show, adding, “They alter their equa­tions on the exis­tence of alien life on a week­ly basis. Even they are grow­ing more and more aware that soon they will dis­cov­er some­thing spe­cial. The ques­tion is, will we awak­en the ancient invaders and will they return — if they’re not already here?”

    Those com­ments direct­ly give way to some of the more shock­ing imagery that appears in the cli­max of the hour-long film. As “Lizard Peo­ple” enters its final min­utes, footage plays across the screen show­ing grey alien fig­ures stand­ing over a near­ly nude man splayed out on a table sur­round­ed by machin­ery and tubes prod­ding into his flesh.

    Against this back­drop, the nar­ra­tor declares: “The fact is, these ser­pent aliens may use more than space to appear on earth. They may also use time.” The footage gives way to images of human bod­ies sus­pend­ed in pods and a sug­ges­tion that proof for all of this lies in tales of titans in “Greek mythol­o­gy,” the sto­ry of the ser­pent and the Gar­den of Eden in the “Chris­t­ian Bible,” and more mod­ern dis­clo­sures about unex­plained alien phe­nom­e­na. This blend of strange imagery, ancient lore, and UFOl­o­gy tran­si­tions to the movie’s final argu­ment.

    “In con­clu­sion, there is a grow­ing body of evi­dence to sug­gest that ancient ser­pent aliens still vis­it earth and also use time trav­el,” the nar­ra­tor says as the screen goes dark.

    Vari­a­tions of the claim that rep­til­ian extrater­res­tri­als have played an influ­en­tial and some­times sin­is­ter role in world his­to­ry have been pro­mot­ed by con­spir­a­cy the­o­rists for well over a hun­dred years. Researcher Logan Strain, who has writ­ten about con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries for the Wash­ing­ton Post and cov­ers the top­ic in depth for the pod­cast “QAA,” which he co-hosts pseu­do­ny­mous­ly as “Travis View,” told TPM the phe­nom­e­non can be traced as far back as the 19th cen­tu­ry occultist writer Hele­na Blavatsky.

    “She wrote about ancient civ­i­liza­tions that influ­enced the mod­ern day, and ancient lost races,” Strain explained. Blavatsky the­o­rized an ancient race of drag­on men. These claims, Strain said, “were lat­er adopt­ed by con­spir­acists.”

    ”But what real­ly got it kicked off was a cou­ple things,” he con­tin­ued. “Robert E. Howard, who wrote the Conan the Bar­bar­ian series — he wrote some fic­tion about lizard peo­ple. This was picked up by a cult leader named Mau­rice Dore­al.”

    Dore­al, Strain explained, wrote a pam­phlet enti­tled The Mys­ter­ies of Gobi that described a civ­i­liza­tion beneath the desert. “He claimed that there was an ancient race of lizard peo­ple,” Strain said. “So, this was like from the 1940s.”

    Strain described rep­til­ian the­o­ries, today, as “more fringe than QAnon.”

    “There are more peo­ple who believe fringe con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries about the faked moon land­ing and stuff than lizard peo­ple,” Strain said. “It is a very fringe, minor­i­ty con­spir­acist belief in a land where peo­ple feel free to believe lots of wild things.”

    While the num­ber of peo­ple con­vinced of a dark rep­til­ian influ­ence may be small, Strain point­ed out belief in lizard peo­ple has been linked to mul­ti­ple inci­dents of real world vio­lence.

    ...

    The lizard peo­ple con­spir­a­cy is also, as Strain put it, “very heav­i­ly inter­twined with anti-Semit­ic tropes” and the idea Jews are among the sin­is­ter, elite forces oper­at­ing behind the scenes. Strain not­ed that the idea that rep­til­ians are manip­u­lat­ing the world was “real­ly pop­u­lar­ized” more recent­ly by the promi­nent British foot­baller-turned-con­spir­a­cy the­o­rist David Icke. While Icke denies being an anti-Semi­te, his past state­ments —includ­ing blam­ing Jew­ish groups for COVID — have led him to be banned from mul­ti­ple coun­tries and inter­net plat­forms.

    The film “Lizard Peo­ple” does not include focused crit­i­cism of Jews. How­ev­er, the movie and anoth­er on Trump’s Truth+ plat­form include bizarre and con­spir­a­to­r­i­al state­ments about mul­ti­ple reli­gions. In “Lizard Peo­ple,” the nar­ra­tor sug­gests the “very chil­dren of Israel” engaged in “inter­mar­riage” with “ser­pent wor­ship­pers.”

    “This is very reveal­ing,” the nar­ra­tor declares. “Inter­mar­riage and wor­ship of the ser­pent gods. Today, we can eas­i­ly replace the word ‘gods’ with aliens.”

    The movie also includes some inflam­ma­to­ry com­men­tary about the Catholic Church.

    “The Vat­i­can comes from the words ‘vatis’ for prophet and ‘can’ for ser­pent, mak­ing the Vat­i­can a place of ser­pent prophe­cy,” the nar­ra­tor says. “The very book of Chris­tians across the world, The Bible, is full of the ser­pent.”

    Most ety­mol­o­gists explic­it­ly do not agree with this inter­pre­ta­tion of the term “Vat­i­can.”

    Anoth­er film on Truth+ delves more specif­i­cal­ly into the idea that major reli­gions are part of an extrater­res­tri­al con­spir­a­cy. “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles: Dark Under­world” has also been described on the ser­vice as a “doc­u­men­tary.”

    “Explore the pow­er­ful, secret under­world of a shock­ing coali­tion of the human elite and advanced beings not of this world dat­ing back hun­dreds of years,” the descrip­tion says.

    Like “Lizard Peo­ple,” “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” is approx­i­mate­ly one hour long and seem­ing­ly whol­ly made up of omi­nous nar­ra­tion set against stock footage and com­put­er ani­ma­tion. It begins with a dis­claimer that says “the views expressed in this film are not nec­es­sar­i­ly the views of … any oth­er per­son involved in the mak­ing and dis­tri­b­u­tion of this film.” There is no oth­er attempt to down­play the claims in the movie or indi­cate they have no basis in real­i­ty.

    And “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” may be even weird­er than the rep­til­ian saga, as it includes a rapid­fire smor­gas­bord of wild claims about every­thing from Freema­son­ry to the Jesuits to the Moon, which it con­tends is actu­al­ly “hol­lowed out” and a “base for aliens.”

    “Pow­er clev­er­ly shifts around, but always at the very top, the same fam­i­lies run the world,” the “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” nar­ra­tor declares at one point, quick­ly adding, “The mod­ern era of mind con­trol began with the cre­ation of the Illu­mi­nati.”

    “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” also goes beyond the rhetoric of “Lizard Peo­ple.” Rather than sim­ply pos­ing reli­gion as a tool for nefar­i­ous forces to con­trol the pop­u­lace, it sug­gests the Judeochris­t­ian God and oth­er reli­gious lead­ers includ­ing the Hin­du deity Krish­na are actu­al­ly extrater­res­tri­als them­selves.

    “There are a few pieces of evi­dence that sug­gest that Jesus may have been an alien,” the nar­ra­tor says before going deep­er down the rab­bit hole. “And what about oth­er reli­gious orig­i­na­tors such as Bud­dha? … He wasn’t human. He was an alien. So, the next time you see a stat­ue of Bud­dha, remem­ber that he was an alien.”

    The array of the­o­ries in “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” also include some sug­gest­ing the U.S. gov­ern­ment is part of a scheme to cov­er up both UFOs and “dark ops” exper­i­ments. Accord­ing to the film, this secret lab­o­ra­to­ry work includes “delib­er­ate pro­duc­tion of utter­ly abom­inable results such as ape-human embryos and oth­er ungod­ly bio­log­i­cal com­bi­na­tions.” The movie out­lines an espe­cial­ly dis­turb­ing sce­nario that it links to a mil­i­tary base in New Mex­i­co.

    “One of the most hor­ri­fy­ing claims made for this instal­la­tion was the pres­ence of the so-called ‘blood lab’ where var­i­ous kinds of blood, both nat­ur­al and syn­thet­ic, was processed osten­si­bly for the con­sump­tion of the extrater­res­tri­als who required it for their exis­tence,” the nar­ra­tor says.

    ...

    There is oth­er con­spir­a­to­r­i­al con­tent on Truth+ includ­ing a film on the “Illu­mi­nati” that was also, as of last week, among the ser­vices “most watched” videos. How­ev­er, “Lizard Peo­ple” and “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles: Dark Under­world” stand out as tru­ly bizarre in both their claims and pre­sen­ta­tion. Alche­my Werks LLC is iden­ti­fied as the pro­duc­tion com­pa­ny behind both films on IMDB pages that are also linked on Truth+. “Lizard Peo­ple” also cites Alche­my Werks in its cred­its. The com­pa­ny says on its web­site that it has pro­duced dozens of movies about aliens that it bills as “real­i­ty films.” “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” addi­tion­al­ly describes itself in its cred­its as a pro­duc­tion of Amer­i­can Riv­er Media Group, a com­pa­ny that also adver­tis­es THC “horse treats.” When TPM reached out to these busi­ness­es, we received a call back from a man who iden­ti­fied him­self as Charles Thompsen, who is cred­it­ed as a pro­duc­er on both “Lizard Peo­ple” and “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles: Dark Under­world.”

    Thompsen point­ed to the dis­claimers on both films, which state that the film­mak­ers do not vouch for the “accu­ra­cy” or “com­plete­ness” of the claims pre­sent­ed. The dis­claimer on “Lizard Peo­ple” also states that the film­mak­ers are “not respon­si­ble or liable for any action or inac­tion by a view­er of this video that is based on the con­tent of this film.”

    “I don’t know how you could take ‘Lizard Peo­ple’ seri­ous­ly, hon­est­ly,” Thompsen said. He went on to com­pare the films to “Dun­geons and Drag­ons” and oth­er fan­ta­sy enter­tain­ment.

    “We have noth­ing but sup­port for Pres­i­dent Trump,” he said. “They should be not­ed that the gen­res are sci-fi and there’s a big base that enjoys movies about aliens and lizard peo­ple and such. They’re insa­tiable about it.”

    Thompsen sug­gest­ed he would talk with Truth+ about hav­ing his movies marked as “sci-fi/­fan­ta­sy.”

    “Unfor­tu­nate­ly, they’re not being denot­ed as such on the Trump Media site and I’m going to have to look into that,” he said.

    In the days since, the label on “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles: Dark Under­world” has been switched from “doc­u­men­tary” to “sci-fi” on Truth+. As of this writ­ing, “Lizard Peo­ple: Rulers of Time and Space” is still iden­ti­fied as a “doc­u­men­tary.”

    Con­spir­a­cy inflect­ed plots are, of course, not uncom­mon in main­stream enter­tain­ment. Films, books and tele­vi­sion includ­ing “The Da Vin­ci Code,” the “Nation­al Trea­sure” film series star­ring Nico­las Cage, and “The X Files” have long includ­ed clear­ly fic­tion­al­ized sto­ry­lines that delved into ele­ments of pop­u­lar con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries. While it is more root­ed in con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries than any actu­al evi­dence, the idea that aliens played a role in ear­ly human his­to­ry has also spawned rel­a­tive­ly main­stream con­tent that strad­dles the line between faux news and tongue-in-cheek enter­tain­ment. Specif­i­cal­ly, the series “Ancient Aliens” has earned meme infamy while being broad­cast on the “His­to­ry Chan­nel” and Net­flix.

    How­ev­er, the con­spir­a­to­r­i­al “doc­u­men­tary” con­tent that is pop­u­lar on Truth+ is dif­fer­ent, in part because it leans into the ver­sion of this mythos that frames the ancient extrater­res­tri­als as “lizard-like” ser­pents. This rep­til­ian take on the theme has his­tor­i­cal­ly been one of the most extreme ver­sions of the belief that aliens played a piv­otal role in human his­to­ry. Strain, the con­spir­a­cy the­o­ry researcher, sug­gest­ed it is par­tic­u­lar­ly trou­bling to see lizard peo­ple con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries advanced on a plat­form owned by Trump because the pres­i­den­tial asso­ci­a­tion could give these wild ideas momen­tum. He allud­ed to instances where Trump has engaged with fol­low­ers of anoth­er pop­u­lar con­spir­a­cy the­o­ry, QAnon, online and off.

    “One of the rea­sons that QAnon spread so far and was so adopt­ed is because Trump and some of his close asso­ciates were will­ing to sort of wink and nod at the QAnon com­mu­ni­ty and make no effort to denounce them or denounce their beliefs,” Strain said. “That obvi­ous­ly fueled a lot of QAnon believ­ers.”

    Both “Lizard Peo­ple” and “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” are also avail­able on YouTube, Ama­zon Prime and oth­er stream­ing ser­vices. How­ev­er, at least on Ama­zon Prime, “Lizard Peo­ple” is clear­ly iden­ti­fied as “sci­ence fic­tion.”

    Oth­er movies on Truth+ sim­i­lar­ly come from com­pa­nies that have dozens of lit­tle-known pro­duc­tions and that also make those films avail­able on both free and paid stream­ing ser­vices. The fact these movies are simul­ta­ne­ous­ly avail­able from mul­ti­ple dif­fer­ent sources at wide­ly vary­ing price points brings up anoth­er ques­tion: How is it cost effec­tive for pro­duc­ers to make dozens and dozens of movies? What exact­ly are they sell­ing if these things are wide­ly avail­able and, in some cas­es, free?

    TPM reached out to Richard Rush­field, a long­time chron­i­cler of Hol­ly­wood and colum­nist at the enter­tain­ment indus­try site The Ankler, to try and under­stand this busi­ness mod­el. There are var­i­ous pro­duc­tion com­pa­nies who churn out work in bulk, at a low cost, and are then able to mon­e­tize even rel­a­tive­ly small audi­ences via the inter­net or stream­ing, he said. He described it as a sub-Hol­ly­wood “weird inter­net” world and “very sort of bot­tom-feed­ery busi­ness.”

    “It’s like the mud at the bot­tom of the floor,” he said. “It’s like liv­ing at that lev­el.”

    TPM asked Rush­field if it sur­prised him to see a com­pa­ny owned by the pres­i­dent engage with this type of con­tent.

    “Three months ago, it would have,” Rush­field said with a laugh. ”I don’t know that I have the capac­i­ty for sur­prise any more.”

    ————

    “Pres­i­dent Trump’s Media Com­pa­ny Is Offer­ing Movies About ‘Lizard Peo­ple’ And Oth­er Wild Con­spir­a­cy The­o­ries” By Hunter Walk­er; Talk­ing Points Memo; 05/06/2025

    “These ideas are easy to dis­miss as utter­ly and obvi­ous­ly ridicu­lous. How­ev­er, they have a his­to­ry of attract­ing trou­bled believ­ers on the fur­thest con­spir­a­cy fringe. And, while these movies are avail­able on oth­er stream­ing plat­forms, in this case the sit­ting president’s nascent media empire is play­ing a role in the pro­mo­tion of this extreme con­tent. Trump’s stream­ing ser­vice also seems to have helped it to find an audi­ence. On Mon­day and through much of last week, “Lizard Peo­ple” was list­ed among the top 10 “most watched” pro­grams on the stream­ing ser­vice.

    This isn’t just a sto­ry about a “Lizard Peo­ple” movie being show­cased on Pres­i­dent Trump’s “Truth+” stream­ing plat­form. It’s about mul­ti­ple such movies being labeled as ‘doc­u­men­taries’ and end­ing up among the ‘most watched’ videos on the plat­form. ‘Doc­u­men­taries’ argu­ing that lizard aliens have been shap­ing human civ­i­liza­tion for thou­sands of years and con­tin­ue to do so to this day, even using the pow­er of time trav­el. These lizard aliens may have even cre­at­ed human­i­ty them­selves:

    ...
    When they launched a stream­ing ser­vice last year, Pres­i­dent Trump’s busi­ness part­ners at the Trump Media and Tech­nol­o­gy Group announced it would be focused on “news, Chris­t­ian con­tent, and fam­i­ly friend­ly pro­gram­ming that is uncan­cellable by Big Tech.” Yet this sup­posed haven for young view­ers and whole­some Chris­t­ian fare is also home to “Lizard Peo­ple: Rulers of Time and Space,” a bizarre hour-long movie that presents claims that there is a race of “ser­pent-like aliens who cre­at­ed humans and the reli­gious sys­tems used to con­trol them.” As of this writ­ing, Trump’s com­pa­ny is mar­ket­ing this to view­ers as a “doc­u­men­tary” — and it’s not the only one on their plat­form filled with shock­ing state­ments link­ing Chris­tian­i­ty and oth­er faiths to shad­owy, sin­is­ter alien con­spir­a­cies.

    ...

    The cur­rent slate of stream­able video on Truth+ includes rebroad­casts of shows from the right-wing cable net­work “Real America’s Voice” and dis­graced for­mer Fox News host Bill O’Reilly. Along with par­ti­san news, there are also doc­u­men­taries, reli­gious pro­gram­ming, and movies includ­ing some that are clear­ly labeled “sci fi, “fan­ta­sy,” and “hor­ror.” Among these offer­ings are mul­ti­ple shows that veer towards the extreme and con­spir­a­to­r­i­al.

    While oth­er Truth+ pro­gram­ming is cat­e­go­rized with enter­tain­ment gen­res, as of this writ­ing, the full descrip­tion on the ser­vice iden­ti­fies “Lizard Peo­ple” sim­ply as a “doc­u­men­tary” that pos­es a tan­ta­liz­ing, trou­bling ques­tion: “Did ancient ser­pent or Lizard-like aliens come to Earth thou­sands of years ago to play a role in cre­at­ing human­i­ty and are they still among us today?”

    View­ers who are intrigued by this pitch and opt to watch are treat­ed to a brief “WARNING” not­ing “some parts of this film may be objec­tion­able or offen­sive and may con­tain trig­gers for post trau­mat­ic stress dis­or­der, for some view­ers.” The dis­claimer also declares “the views and opin­ions expressed in this film are entire­ly those of its mak­ers.” Oth­er than that, the hour-long show con­tains no effort to ques­tion or down­play any of the shock­ing claims con­tained there­in. Instead, the deep-voiced nar­ra­tor repeat­ed­ly and author­i­ta­tive­ly sug­gests the film’s claims all may be true.

    ...

    “There is a great deal of evi­dence to sug­gest that alien, ser­pent-like crea­tures did come to Earth thou­sands of years ago and cre­at­ed reli­gion, human­i­ty, and con­tin­ue to con­trol us even now,” the nar­ra­tor says at one point.

    Along with the dra­mat­ic nar­ra­tion, “Lizard Peo­ple” includes a com­pi­la­tion from var­i­ous stock footage and image libraries along with com­put­er ani­ma­tions. The “evi­dence” pre­sent­ed resists basic scruti­ny, as it large­ly lacks cita­tions and con­sists of sweep­ing state­ments about ancient art, cul­ture, and more mod­ern alien encoun­ters. While the premise and bizarre pre­sen­ta­tion ensure that remote­ly dis­cern­ing audi­ences would dis­miss the film’s claims, they are con­tin­u­al­ly pre­sent­ed as whol­ly fac­tu­al research sup­port­ed in part by the asser­tions of fed­er­al gov­ern­ment agen­cies.

    “With every pass­ing day, NASA tells us that they have dis­cov­ered yet anoth­er earth-like plan­et that could sus­tain life,” the “Lizard Peo­ple” nar­ra­tor states near the end of the show, adding, “They alter their equa­tions on the exis­tence of alien life on a week­ly basis. Even they are grow­ing more and more aware that soon they will dis­cov­er some­thing spe­cial. The ques­tion is, will we awak­en the ancient invaders and will they return — if they’re not already here?”

    Those com­ments direct­ly give way to some of the more shock­ing imagery that appears in the cli­max of the hour-long film. As “Lizard Peo­ple” enters its final min­utes, footage plays across the screen show­ing grey alien fig­ures stand­ing over a near­ly nude man splayed out on a table sur­round­ed by machin­ery and tubes prod­ding into his flesh.

    Against this back­drop, the nar­ra­tor declares: “The fact is, these ser­pent aliens may use more than space to appear on earth. They may also use time.” The footage gives way to images of human bod­ies sus­pend­ed in pods and a sug­ges­tion that proof for all of this lies in tales of titans in “Greek mythol­o­gy,” the sto­ry of the ser­pent and the Gar­den of Eden in the “Chris­t­ian Bible,” and more mod­ern dis­clo­sures about unex­plained alien phe­nom­e­na. This blend of strange imagery, ancient lore, and UFOl­o­gy tran­si­tions to the movie’s final argu­ment.

    “In con­clu­sion, there is a grow­ing body of evi­dence to sug­gest that ancient ser­pent aliens still vis­it earth and also use time trav­el,” the nar­ra­tor says as the screen goes dark.
    ...

    And as these ‘doc­u­men­taries’ warn audi­ences, it’s not just that aliens have been secret­ly manip­u­lat­ing, even start­ing, human­i­ty. The Judeochris­t­ian God and oth­er reli­gious lead­ers includ­ing the Hin­du deity Krish­na may have even been aliens them­selves:

    ...
    Anoth­er film on Truth+ delves more specif­i­cal­ly into the idea that major reli­gions are part of an extrater­res­tri­al con­spir­a­cy. “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles: Dark Under­world” has also been described on the ser­vice as a “doc­u­men­tary.”

    “Explore the pow­er­ful, secret under­world of a shock­ing coali­tion of the human elite and advanced beings not of this world dat­ing back hun­dreds of years,” the descrip­tion says.

    Like “Lizard Peo­ple,” “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” is approx­i­mate­ly one hour long and seem­ing­ly whol­ly made up of omi­nous nar­ra­tion set against stock footage and com­put­er ani­ma­tion. It begins with a dis­claimer that says “the views expressed in this film are not nec­es­sar­i­ly the views of … any oth­er per­son involved in the mak­ing and dis­tri­b­u­tion of this film.” There is no oth­er attempt to down­play the claims in the movie or indi­cate they have no basis in real­i­ty.

    And “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” may be even weird­er than the rep­til­ian saga, as it includes a rapid­fire smor­gas­bord of wild claims about every­thing from Freema­son­ry to the Jesuits to the Moon, which it con­tends is actu­al­ly “hol­lowed out” and a “base for aliens.”

    “Pow­er clev­er­ly shifts around, but always at the very top, the same fam­i­lies run the world,” the “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” nar­ra­tor declares at one point, quick­ly adding, “The mod­ern era of mind con­trol began with the cre­ation of the Illu­mi­nati.”

    “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” also goes beyond the rhetoric of “Lizard Peo­ple.” Rather than sim­ply pos­ing reli­gion as a tool for nefar­i­ous forces to con­trol the pop­u­lace, it sug­gests the Judeochris­t­ian God and oth­er reli­gious lead­ers includ­ing the Hin­du deity Krish­na are actu­al­ly extrater­res­tri­als them­selves.

    “There are a few pieces of evi­dence that sug­gest that Jesus may have been an alien,” the nar­ra­tor says before going deep­er down the rab­bit hole. “And what about oth­er reli­gious orig­i­na­tors such as Bud­dha? … He wasn’t human. He was an alien. So, the next time you see a stat­ue of Bud­dha, remem­ber that he was an alien.”
    ...

    And while ‘Lizard peo­ple’ nar­ra­tive has obvi­ous anti-Semit­ic under­tones along the lines of David Icke, note how it also lends itself to attacks on the Catholic Church. And pre­sum­ably any oth­er reli­gion if the aliens have been secret­ly con­trol­ling human­i­ty for mil­len­nia. Which is a reminder that any upcom­ing ‘UFO vis­i­ta­tions’ could be used for both a ‘World Peace’ kind of new reli­gious event but also some kind of hor­rif­ic sec­tar­i­an war:

    ...
    The lizard peo­ple con­spir­a­cy is also, as Strain put it, “very heav­i­ly inter­twined with anti-Semit­ic tropes” and the idea Jews are among the sin­is­ter, elite forces oper­at­ing behind the scenes. Strain not­ed that the idea that rep­til­ians are manip­u­lat­ing the world was “real­ly pop­u­lar­ized” more recent­ly by the promi­nent British foot­baller-turned-con­spir­a­cy the­o­rist David Icke. While Icke denies being an anti-Semi­te, his past state­ments —includ­ing blam­ing Jew­ish groups for COVID — have led him to be banned from mul­ti­ple coun­tries and inter­net plat­forms.

    The film “Lizard Peo­ple” does not include focused crit­i­cism of Jews. How­ev­er, the movie and anoth­er on Trump’s Truth+ plat­form include bizarre and con­spir­a­to­r­i­al state­ments about mul­ti­ple reli­gions. In “Lizard Peo­ple,” the nar­ra­tor sug­gests the “very chil­dren of Israel” engaged in “inter­mar­riage” with “ser­pent wor­ship­pers.”

    “This is very reveal­ing,” the nar­ra­tor declares. “Inter­mar­riage and wor­ship of the ser­pent gods. Today, we can eas­i­ly replace the word ‘gods’ with aliens.”

    The movie also includes some inflam­ma­to­ry com­men­tary about the Catholic Church.

    “The Vat­i­can comes from the words ‘vatis’ for prophet and ‘can’ for ser­pent, mak­ing the Vat­i­can a place of ser­pent prophe­cy,” the nar­ra­tor says. “The very book of Chris­tians across the world, The Bible, is full of the ser­pent.”

    Most ety­mol­o­gists explic­it­ly do not agree with this inter­pre­ta­tion of the term “Vat­i­can.”
    ...

    But this nar­ra­tive does­n’t just merge reli­gions with UFO-olo­gy. There’s even a kind of vam­pire UFO angle, with dis­cus­sion of “blood labs” where blood is gen­er­at­ed for the aliens’ con­sump­tion. It’s a par­tic­u­lar­ly QAnon-friend­ly ver­sion of this nar­ra­tive:

    ...
    The array of the­o­ries in “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” also include some sug­gest­ing the U.S. gov­ern­ment is part of a scheme to cov­er up both UFOs and “dark ops” exper­i­ments. Accord­ing to the film, this secret lab­o­ra­to­ry work includes “delib­er­ate pro­duc­tion of utter­ly abom­inable results such as ape-human embryos and oth­er ungod­ly bio­log­i­cal com­bi­na­tions.” The movie out­lines an espe­cial­ly dis­turb­ing sce­nario that it links to a mil­i­tary base in New Mex­i­co.

    “One of the most hor­ri­fy­ing claims made for this instal­la­tion was the pres­ence of the so-called ‘blood lab’ where var­i­ous kinds of blood, both nat­ur­al and syn­thet­ic, was processed osten­si­bly for the con­sump­tion of the extrater­res­tri­als who required it for their exis­tence,” the nar­ra­tor says.
    ...

    And then there’s this inter­est­ing his­tor­i­cal tid­bit about the ori­gins and pop­u­lar­iza­tion of the ‘lizard peo­ple’ con­cept, while many of these con­cepts go back to Madam Blavatsky, it was in the 1940s when a cult leader, Mau­rice Dore­al, read sci­ence fic­tion sto­ry about lizard peo­ple that inspired him to make the claim that an ancient race of lizard peo­ple cre­at­ed a lost civ­i­liza­tion beneath the Gobi desert. It’s the kind of sto­ry that has obvi­ous par­al­lels with both the ‘lost African civ­i­liza­tion’ nar­ra­tives that so deeply influ­ence Elon Musk’s grand­fa­ther Joshua Halde­man and also Musk’s own sug­ges­tions that aliens built the pyra­mids. Which rais­es the grim­ly fas­ci­nat­ing ques­tions as to whether or not Musk’s grand­fa­ther was a fan of the lizard peo­ple sto­ries. He cer­tain­ly would have been the tar­get audi­ence:

    ...
    Vari­a­tions of the claim that rep­til­ian extrater­res­tri­als have played an influ­en­tial and some­times sin­is­ter role in world his­to­ry have been pro­mot­ed by con­spir­a­cy the­o­rists for well over a hun­dred years. Researcher Logan Strain, who has writ­ten about con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries for the Wash­ing­ton Post and cov­ers the top­ic in depth for the pod­cast “QAA,” which he co-hosts pseu­do­ny­mous­ly as “Travis View,” told TPM the phe­nom­e­non can be traced as far back as the 19th cen­tu­ry occultist writer Hele­na Blavatsky.

    “She wrote about ancient civ­i­liza­tions that influ­enced the mod­ern day, and ancient lost races,” Strain explained. Blavatsky the­o­rized an ancient race of drag­on men. These claims, Strain said, “were lat­er adopt­ed by con­spir­acists.”

    ”But what real­ly got it kicked off was a cou­ple things,” he con­tin­ued. “Robert E. Howard, who wrote the Conan the Bar­bar­ian series — he wrote some fic­tion about lizard peo­ple. This was picked up by a cult leader named Mau­rice Dore­al.”

    Dore­al, Strain explained, wrote a pam­phlet enti­tled The Mys­ter­ies of Gobi that described a civ­i­liza­tion beneath the desert. “He claimed that there was an ancient race of lizard peo­ple,” Strain said. “So, this was like from the 1940s.”
    ...

    And it’s not like Pres­i­dent Trump just owns a small minor­i­ty stake in the Trump Media & Tech­nol­o­gy Group (TMTG). He’s the major­i­ty own­er. And while that own­er­ship was placed in a revo­ca­ble trust, that trust is sole­ly man­aged by Don Jr. And TMT­G’s CEO and chair­man is Devin Nunes, the cur­rent chair of Trump’s intel­li­gence advi­so­ry board. And, oh look at that, it turns out the val­u­a­tion for this com­pa­ny dwarfs its rev­enues. It’s like a Trump family/administration joint con­flict of inter­est:

    ...
    Through­out his sec­ond re-elec­tion cam­paign and first hun­dred days back in office, Pres­i­dent Trump has used the Truth Social plat­form to issue near con­stant updates includ­ing pol­i­cy pro­nounce­ments, per­son­nel announce­ments, attacks on his polit­i­cal ene­mies, and even mus­ings on last month’s NFL Draft. The site serves a qua­si-offi­cial role with Trump’s “truths” some­times also being dis­trib­uted by the offi­cial White House Office of Com­mu­ni­ca­tions. Truth Social was launched in ear­ly 2022 after Trump was banned from mul­ti­ple more main­stream sites fol­low­ing the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capi­tol. The plat­form is the cen­ter­piece of Trump Media & Tech­nol­o­gy Group, a com­pa­ny that is major­i­ty owned by the pres­i­dent and that has exten­sive ties to his cur­rent admin­is­tra­tion.

    ...

    TMTG, which is also known as “Trump Media,” has had what one ana­lyst described to the UK’s Tele­graph news­pa­per as a “wild ride large­ly fueled by Don­ald Trump’s polit­i­cal influ­ence.” TMTG was start­ed in 2021 by Trump and two for­mer con­tes­tants on his real­i­ty show, “The Appren­tice.” The rela­tion­ship between Trump and the oth­er founders even­tu­al­ly descend­ed into law­suits as the com­pa­ny under­went a merg­er and pre­pared to go pub­lic. TMTG, which trades under the sym­bol “DJT,” had its IPO in March 2024 at an $8 bil­lion val­u­a­tion. Since then, the stock has been on a roller­coast­er ride, with prices climb­ing above $60 after the ini­tial offer­ing before com­ing down to, as of last week, rough­ly $25.

    Hav­ing a pub­licly trad­ed media com­pa­ny means Trump, who owns a major­i­ty of the DJT shares, is in a posi­tion to rake in sums from indi­vid­ual adver­tis­ers and investors at a lev­el that is unprece­dent­ed for a sit­ting pres­i­dent. After win­ning the 2024 elec­tion, Trump placed his stake in the com­pa­ny into a revo­ca­ble trust sole­ly man­aged by his son, Don­ald Trump Jr., who is also on the company’s board. The pres­i­dent isn’t the only offi­cial who has been in a posi­tion to cash in on the com­pa­ny. Oth­er mem­bers of the Trump admin­is­tra­tion have also held shares or served on TMTG’s board. TMTG’s CEO and chair­man is Devin Nunes, who is a for­mer Repub­li­can con­gress­man and the cur­rent chair of the President’s Intel­li­gence Advi­so­ry board.

    TMTG’s high val­ue has, thus far, been at odds with steep loss­es that have dwarfed the company’s rev­enues and totaled over $400 mil­lion last year. Stock sales have helped Trump Media off­set that and close out 2024 with a $777 mil­lion cash reserve. How­ev­er, even with those assets, the com­pa­ny appears to be search­ing for ways to expand its busi­ness mod­el. Truth+, which includes a stream­ing ser­vice, launched last August and has been framed by Nunes as cen­tral to those efforts.
    ...

    And then we get to the expla­na­tion from the com­pa­ny that actu­al­ly pro­duces all of these ‘doc­u­men­taries’, Alche­my Werks LLC. Accord­ing to Charles Thompsen — who has pro­duced over a dozen such films since 2022 — it’s all mere­ly intend­ed to be fan­ta­sy enter­tain­ment and should have been marked as “sci-fi/­fan­ta­sy”. It was only after TPM approached Thompsen that one of the films, “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles: Dark Under­world”, was switched from “doc­u­men­tary” to “sci-fi” on TMTG. “Lizard Peo­ple: Rulers of Time and Space” is still iden­ti­fied as a “doc­u­men­tary”:

    ...
    There is oth­er con­spir­a­to­r­i­al con­tent on Truth+ includ­ing a film on the “Illu­mi­nati” that was also, as of last week, among the ser­vices “most watched” videos. How­ev­er, “Lizard Peo­ple” and “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles: Dark Under­world” stand out as tru­ly bizarre in both their claims and pre­sen­ta­tion. Alche­my Werks LLC is iden­ti­fied as the pro­duc­tion com­pa­ny behind both films on IMDB pages that are also linked on Truth+. “Lizard Peo­ple” also cites Alche­my Werks in its cred­its. The com­pa­ny says on its web­site that it has pro­duced dozens of movies about aliens that it bills as “real­i­ty films.” “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” addi­tion­al­ly describes itself in its cred­its as a pro­duc­tion of Amer­i­can Riv­er Media Group, a com­pa­ny that also adver­tis­es THC “horse treats.” When TPM reached out to these busi­ness­es, we received a call back from a man who iden­ti­fied him­self as Charles Thompsen, who is cred­it­ed as a pro­duc­er on both “Lizard Peo­ple” and “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles: Dark Under­world.”

    Thompsen point­ed to the dis­claimers on both films, which state that the film­mak­ers do not vouch for the “accu­ra­cy” or “com­plete­ness” of the claims pre­sent­ed. The dis­claimer on “Lizard Peo­ple” also states that the film­mak­ers are “not respon­si­ble or liable for any action or inac­tion by a view­er of this video that is based on the con­tent of this film.”

    “I don’t know how you could take ‘Lizard Peo­ple’ seri­ous­ly, hon­est­ly,” Thompsen said. He went on to com­pare the films to “Dun­geons and Drag­ons” and oth­er fan­ta­sy enter­tain­ment.

    “We have noth­ing but sup­port for Pres­i­dent Trump,” he said. “They should be not­ed that the gen­res are sci-fi and there’s a big base that enjoys movies about aliens and lizard peo­ple and such. They’re insa­tiable about it.”

    Thompsen sug­gest­ed he would talk with Truth+ about hav­ing his movies marked as “sci-fi/­fan­ta­sy.”

    “Unfor­tu­nate­ly, they’re not being denot­ed as such on the Trump Media site and I’m going to have to look into that,” he said.

    In the days since, the label on “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles: Dark Under­world” has been switched from “doc­u­men­tary” to “sci-fi” on Truth+. As of this writ­ing, “Lizard Peo­ple: Rulers of Time and Space” is still iden­ti­fied as a “doc­u­men­tary.”
    ...

    And as we’ve seen, it’s not like the main­stream­ing of this kind of mate­r­i­al is just tak­ing place on a media plat­form own by the Pres­i­dent of the Unit­ed States. This kind of ‘ancient aliens’ nar­ra­tive has been aggres­sive­ly pro­mot­ed on out­lets like the His­to­ry Chan­nel for years. Beyond that, you can find these same videos on oth­er plat­forms like Ama­zon Prime. But, again, none of those plat­forms are major­i­ty owned by the sit­ting pres­i­dent. A pres­i­dent with a polit­i­cal fol­low­ing that often takes on a reli­gious fer­vor. What kind of long-term cul­tur­al impact is Truth+ cre­at­ing here? Because odds are the audi­ences gullible enough to treat these movies as ‘doc­u­men­taries’ prob­a­bly aren’t going to sud­den­ly ‘snap out of it’ when Trump leaves office:

    ...
    Con­spir­a­cy inflect­ed plots are, of course, not uncom­mon in main­stream enter­tain­ment. Films, books and tele­vi­sion includ­ing “The Da Vin­ci Code,” the “Nation­al Trea­sure” film series star­ring Nico­las Cage, and “The X Files” have long includ­ed clear­ly fic­tion­al­ized sto­ry­lines that delved into ele­ments of pop­u­lar con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries. While it is more root­ed in con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries than any actu­al evi­dence, the idea that aliens played a role in ear­ly human his­to­ry has also spawned rel­a­tive­ly main­stream con­tent that strad­dles the line between faux news and tongue-in-cheek enter­tain­ment. Specif­i­cal­ly, the series “Ancient Aliens” has earned meme infamy while being broad­cast on the “His­to­ry Chan­nel” and Net­flix.

    How­ev­er, the con­spir­a­to­r­i­al “doc­u­men­tary” con­tent that is pop­u­lar on Truth+ is dif­fer­ent, in part because it leans into the ver­sion of this mythos that frames the ancient extrater­res­tri­als as “lizard-like” ser­pents. This rep­til­ian take on the theme has his­tor­i­cal­ly been one of the most extreme ver­sions of the belief that aliens played a piv­otal role in human his­to­ry. Strain, the con­spir­a­cy the­o­ry researcher, sug­gest­ed it is par­tic­u­lar­ly trou­bling to see lizard peo­ple con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries advanced on a plat­form owned by Trump because the pres­i­den­tial asso­ci­a­tion could give these wild ideas momen­tum. He allud­ed to instances where Trump has engaged with fol­low­ers of anoth­er pop­u­lar con­spir­a­cy the­o­ry, QAnon, online and off.

    “One of the rea­sons that QAnon spread so far and was so adopt­ed is because Trump and some of his close asso­ciates were will­ing to sort of wink and nod at the QAnon com­mu­ni­ty and make no effort to denounce them or denounce their beliefs,” Strain said. “That obvi­ous­ly fueled a lot of QAnon believ­ers.”

    ...

    Both “Lizard Peo­ple” and “Con­spir­a­cy Chron­i­cles” are also avail­able on YouTube, Ama­zon Prime and oth­er stream­ing ser­vices. How­ev­er, at least on Ama­zon Prime, “Lizard Peo­ple” is clear­ly iden­ti­fied as “sci­ence fic­tion.”

    Oth­er movies on Truth+ sim­i­lar­ly come from com­pa­nies that have dozens of lit­tle-known pro­duc­tions and that also make those films avail­able on both free and paid stream­ing ser­vices. The fact these movies are simul­ta­ne­ous­ly avail­able from mul­ti­ple dif­fer­ent sources at wide­ly vary­ing price points brings up anoth­er ques­tion: How is it cost effec­tive for pro­duc­ers to make dozens and dozens of movies? What exact­ly are they sell­ing if these things are wide­ly avail­able and, in some cas­es, free?
    ...

    And keep in mind that this phe­nom­e­na of a stream­ing plat­form owned by the Pres­i­dent pump­ing out far right alien con­spir­a­cy ‘doc­u­men­taries’ has real­ly just got­ten start­ed. Truth+ is less than a year old. The gold­en age of far right con­spir­a­cy nar­ra­tives is only gain­ing momen­tum. Gullible revi­sion­ism is the theme of the day. The fact that the per­son ulti­mate­ly behind this hap­pens to be the most open­ly cor­rupt US Pres­i­dent in his­to­ry known for spin­ning his way out of any and all con­tro­ver­sy through a string of lies on non­sense is, sad­ly, very much in keep­ing with that theme.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | May 13, 2025, 12:43 am
  4. First, we got an update on the miss­ing minute in the “raw footage” of the pris­on’s spe­cial hous­ing unit (SHU) where Jef­frey Epstein was housed in on the night he ‘com­mit­ted sui­cide’. It’s actu­al­ly a miss­ing 2 min­utes and 53 sec­onds. Recall how the meta­da­ta in released “raw footage” revealed it was two clips spliced togeth­er, with the first clip going to 11:58:58 PM, two sec­onds before 11:59, and the sec­ond clip start­ing exact­ly at mid­night. So now we know the first clip ran until about 12:01:51 AM and was clipped back to 11:58:58 PM.

    And while we don’t know the exact rea­son for why the first clip was made in this man­ner, what this sto­ry does tell us unam­bigu­ous­ly is that a file for that miss­ing minute exists. Or at least exist­ed. Now, if Attor­ney Gen­er­al Pam Bondi’s pre­pos­ter­ous sto­ry about a secu­ri­ty sys­tem that always drops the last minute of each day is true, then that miss­ing minute would be like just blank footage. But that footage exists, blank or not. That’s part of the sig­nif­i­cance of this new Wired report on the ‘raw footage’ meta­da­ta. We can now very rea­son­ably demand that miss­ing minute, blank or not.

    Of course, such demands for the miss­ing minute will like­ly be ignored by the Trump admin­is­tra­tion that remains embroiled in the con­tro­ver­sy that it does­n’t seem capa­ble of quelling. But with a grow­ing loss of faith among the MAGA base in the Trump admin­is­tra­tion’s cred­i­bil­i­ty on the Epstein mat­ter, the polit­i­cal costs of ignor­ing such demands could become pricey. Trump keeps look­ing more and more guilty with his claims of inno­cence and hoax­es and it’s get­ting hard­er to ignore.

    The Wired report also includes the fact that the ‘raw footage’ was­n’t even footage of Epstein’s cell door. It’s footage of the door to the tier where Epstein was being held. So if some­one who was already inside that tier helped Epstein ‘com­mit sui­cide’ we would have no idea. Recall that inter­view with Epstein’s broth­er, Mark Epstein where he observed that inves­ti­ga­tors seemed to have com­plete­ly ignored the pos­si­bil­i­ty of anoth­er pris­on­er car­ry­ing out an attack on Epstein. Beyond that, as Michael Baden, the foren­sic pathol­o­gist hired by Mark Epstein to over­see the autop­sy, observed in a report from March of 2023, the pub­lic has nev­er been informed on the free­dom of move­ment inside the SHU. In oth­er words, we still don’t know if oth­er SHU detainees would have been allowed to access Epstein’s cell on their own, which is an absurd over­sight giv­en that Epstein was pre­vi­ous­ly on sui­cide watch over a pur­port­ed sui­cide attempt where his then-cell­mate, for­mer police offi­cer Nicholas Tartaglione, was ini­tial­ly sus­pect­ed as pos­si­bly being involved. And then, in a move that stunned legal experts, he was removed from sui­cide watch days before his ‘sui­cide’. The more we learn, the worse it looks. For Trump, espe­cial­ly.

    Which brings us to the lat­est cred­i­bil­i­ty-shat­ter­ing angle to this sto­ry: the 2003 birth­day card from Trump to Epstein that was just report­ed on by the Wall Street Jour­nal. An arti­cle that already has Trump suing the WSJ claim­ing libel. As we’re going to see, if that sto­ry is libel, it’s very plau­si­ble libel. The card fea­tures a typed out pre­tend con­ver­sa­tion between Trump and Epstein which includes lines like “Enig­mas nev­er age, have you noticed that?” and ends with “Hap­py Birth­day — and may every day be anoth­er won­der­ful secret.” The con­ver­sa­tion is sur­round­ing by a doo­dle of a woman drawn with a black pen and Don­ald Trump’s sig­na­ture signed in a posi­tion to almost be the pubic hair in draw­ing.

    Trump and his MAGA allies have already lashed out, cry­ing hoax, and insist­ing that Trump nev­er uses words like enig­ma and nev­er draws doo­dles. Except, he has an estab­lished track record of using the word and even referred to then-GOP pri­ma­ry rival Ben Car­son as an enig­ma twice in a 2015 speech. And he has a long record draw­ing doo­dles, includ­ing draw­ing one of the New York City sky­line to be auc­tioned off in 2008.

    So we have a new sto­ry, by the Mur­doch-owned WSJ, no less, that only seemed to serve as evi­dence of those claims Epstein made about being Trump’s clos­et friend for a decade. And the MAGA denials have already been debunked. Trump’s nasty case of Epstein-itis is only get­ting worse. It’s hard to see how the loss of faith does­n’t deep­en. Are we look­ing at the kind of cri­sis that ends with Pres­i­dent JD Vance? Because Pres­i­dent Trump’s cred­i­bil­i­ty with his own base is increas­ing­ly look­ing in per­il and it’s very unclear how he turns this around.

    Ok, first, here’s the lat­est Wired update on that ‘raw footage’. The kind of update that rais­es more ques­tions but also tells us that the ‘miss­ing minute’ exists and could, in the­o­ry, be released, whether blank footage or not:

    Wired

    The FBI’s Jef­frey Epstein Prison Video Had Near­ly 3 Min­utes Cut Out

    Meta­da­ta from the “raw” Epstein prison video shows approx­i­mate­ly 2 min­utes and 53 sec­onds were removed from one of two stitched-togeth­er clips. The cut starts right at the “miss­ing minute.”

    Dhruv Mehro­tra
    Secu­ri­ty
    Jul 15, 2025 3:40 PM

    New­ly uncov­ered meta­da­ta reveals that near­ly three min­utes of footage were cut from what the US Depart­ment of Jus­tice and Fed­er­al Bureau of Inves­ti­ga­tion described as “full raw” sur­veil­lance video from the only func­tion­ing cam­era near Jef­frey Epstein’s prison cell the night before he was found dead. The video was released last week as part of the Trump administration’s com­mit­ment to ful­ly inves­ti­gate Epstein’s 2019 death but instead has raised new ques­tions about how the footage was edit­ed and assem­bled.

    WIRED pre­vi­ous­ly report­ed that the video had been stitched togeth­er in Adobe Pre­miere Pro from two video files, con­tra­dict­ing the Jus­tice Department’s claim that it was “raw” footage. Now, fur­ther analy­sis shows that one of the source clips was approx­i­mate­ly 2 min­utes and 53 sec­onds longer than the seg­ment includ­ed in the final video, indi­cat­ing that footage appears to have been trimmed before release. It’s unclear what, if any­thing, the min­utes cut from the first clip showed.

    The near­ly three-minute dis­crep­an­cy may be relat­ed to the wide­ly report­ed one-minute gap—between 11:58:58 pm and 12:00:00 am—that attor­ney gen­er­al Pam Bon­di has attrib­uted to a night­ly sys­tem reset. The meta­da­ta con­firms that the first video file, which showed footage from August 9, 2019, con­tin­ued for sev­er­al min­utes beyond what appears in the final ver­sion of the video and was trimmed to the 11:58:58 pm mark, right before the jump to mid­night. The cut to the first clip doesn’t nec­es­sar­i­ly mean that there is addi­tion­al time unac­count­ed for—the sec­ond clip picks up at mid­night, which sug­gests the two would overlap—nor does it prove that the miss­ing minute was cut from the video.

    ...

    In response to detailed ques­tions about how the video was assem­bled, WIRED sent a request for com­ment to the Depart­ment of Jus­tice at 7:40 am on Tues­day morn­ing. Just two min­utes lat­er, Natal­ie Bal­das­sarre, a pub­lic affairs offi­cer for the DOJ, replied terse­ly: “Refer you to the FBI.” The FBI declined WIRED’s request for com­ment.

    On Fri­day, WIRED pub­lished an analy­sis of meta­da­ta embed­ded in the video, con­firmed by inde­pen­dent video foren­sics experts, which indi­cates that the file was assem­bled from at least two source clips, saved mul­ti­ple times, export­ed, and then uploaded to the DOJ’s web­site, where it was pre­sent­ed as “raw” footage.

    WIRED’s ini­tial analy­sis found that those saves took place over a 23-minute span; how­ev­er, fur­ther analy­sis of addi­tion­al meta­da­ta shows the file was actu­al­ly edit­ed and saved sev­er­al times over a peri­od of more than three and a half hours on May 23, 2025. Specif­i­cal­ly, the file was cre­at­ed at 4:48 pm and last mod­i­fied at 8:16 pm ET that day. The meta­da­ta also ref­er­ences “MJCOLE~1,” which is like­ly a short­ened ver­sion of a longer user­name. While it like­ly begins with “MJCOLE,” the full name can­not be deter­mined from the meta­da­ta alone.

    Both analy­ses found that the two clips, labeled “2025–05-22 16–35-21.mp4” and “2025–05-22 21–12-48.mp4,” were stitched togeth­er. The first clip is 4 hours, 19 min­utes, and 16 sec­onds long, but only the first 4 hours, 16 min­utes, and 23.368 sec­onds appears in the pub­lished ver­sion, mean­ing near­ly 2 min­utes and 53 sec­onds were cut from the end. Accord­ing to the meta­da­ta, the cut occurs just at 11:58:58 pm. The cut is mil­lisec­onds before the one-minute record­ing gap that Bon­di said was caused by a quirk of the sur­veil­lance sys­tem. The sec­ond clip, “2025–05-22 21–12-48.mp4,” picks up imme­di­ate­ly after­ward, con­tin­u­ing the footage from 12:00:00 am until 6:40:00 am.

    The analy­sis was first pro­vid­ed to WIRED by a researcher who request­ed anonymi­ty for pri­va­cy rea­sons. WIRED reviewed its find­ings with two inde­pen­dent video foren­sics experts, each with over 15 years of expe­ri­ence in Pre­miere and video pro­duc­tion, who con­firmed that the edit occurred just before the miss­ing minute mark and that approx­i­mate­ly three min­utes of footage were cut from the orig­i­nal clip.

    The FBI released both “raw” and enhanced ver­sions of the video. Both ver­sions include inter­nal com­ment mark­ers, anno­ta­tions typ­i­cal­ly used in edit­ing soft­ware to flag moments of inter­est. The enhanced ver­sion, which the FBI referred to as Video 2, con­tains 15 such mark­ers that appar­ent­ly cor­re­spond to vis­i­ble move­ment near “46 door” at New York’s Met­ro­pol­i­tan Cor­rec­tion­al Cen­ter (MCC). This door is near the cell block where Epstein was being held while await­ing tri­al on sex traf­fick­ing charges. These mark­ers appear to have been left by ana­lysts dur­ing their review, but they do not include the orig­i­nal com­ment text.

    Accord­ing to a 2023 report by the DOJ’s Office of the Inspec­tor Gen­er­al (OIG), only two cam­eras in the vicin­i­ty of the Spe­cial Hous­ing Unit (SHU), the area of the MCC where Epstein was held, were film­ing and record­ing at the time of his death. Accord­ing to the report, the cam­era that record­ed the footage the DOJ released July 7 cap­tured video of a large por­tion of the SHU com­mon area and parts of the stair­ways lead­ing to var­i­ous “tiers,” one of which housed Epstein’s cell.

    The OIG report notes that the MCC’s sur­veil­lance sys­tem was out­dat­ed at the time of Epstein’s death, “had not been prop­er­ly main­tained,” and that the DVR hard dri­ves that stored the video files “fre­quent­ly mal­func­tioned and need­ed to be replaced.”

    Both the 2023 OIG report and the DOJ-FBI memo pub­lished last week state that any­one enter­ing or attempt­ing to access the tier con­tain­ing Epstein’s cell from the SHU com­mon area on August 9 or 10, 2019, would have been vis­i­ble on that cam­era. How­ev­er, Epstein’s cell door itself was not with­in the camera’s field of view. The stair­way lead­ing to the tier where he was held was also par­tial­ly obstruct­ed and dif­fi­cult to see clear­ly on the video. (A sec­ond cam­era, which cov­ered the “ninth-floor fire exit and two of the floor’s four ele­va­tors,” was also film­ing at the time, accord­ing to the OIG report.)

    ...

    ———-

    “The FBI’s Jef­frey Epstein Prison Video Had Near­ly 3 Min­utes Cut Out” by Dhruv Mehro­tra; Wired; 07/15/2025

    “WIRED pre­vi­ous­ly report­ed that the video had been stitched togeth­er in Adobe Pre­miere Pro from two video files, con­tra­dict­ing the Jus­tice Department’s claim that it was “raw” footage. Now, fur­ther analy­sis shows that one of the source clips was approx­i­mate­ly 2 min­utes and 53 sec­onds longer than the seg­ment includ­ed in the final video, indi­cat­ing that footage appears to have been trimmed before release. It’s unclear what, if any­thing, the min­utes cut from the first clip showed.

    It was­n’t a miss­ing minute. It was a miss­ing 2 min­utes and 53 sec­onds, cut off from the end of first clip. Impor­tant­ly, that miss­ing 2:53 starts right when the first clip was trun­cat­ed for the claimed rea­son that the secu­ri­ty sys­tem always cre­at­ed this 1 minute gap in video cov­er­age a minute before mid­night.

    Keep in mind there are a vari­ety of tech­ni­cal sce­nar­ios that could describe what we’re see­ing. It’s pos­si­ble the secu­ri­ty sys­tem real­ly does rou­tine­ly have a 1 minute gap right before mid­night where the secu­ri­ty footage is all just blank but that blank minute is still being record­ed, and then the reg­u­lar footage picks up again at mid­night. That would be an absurd sys­tem for a jail to set up, but at least tech­ni­cal­ly plau­si­ble. In that case, we would be assum­ing that the per­son at the FBI who put togeth­er this “raw” footage sim­ply cre­ate two sep­a­rate clips from the footage, a first clip that went until 1:53 past mid­night and a sec­ond clip that picks up at mid­night. Under that sce­nario, we would assume that miss­ing 2:53 was just a reflec­tion of the FBI employ­ee hav­ing to first man­u­al­ly cre­ate a clip that only goes up to that minute before mid­night and need­ed to first gen­er­ate a clip that went and lit­tle past that point only to trim it fur­ther for the pre­cise align­ment. It’s the sce­nario that leaves the FBI with the best expla­na­tion for the dis­crep­an­cy. But then there’s sce­nar­ios where the ‘miss­ing one minute gap’ is com­plete non­sense and just part of a cov­er up and there isn’t real­ly a gap at all.

    But what this miss­ing 2:53 unam­bigu­ous­ly indi­cates is that the file for the record­ed footage does­n’t end at 11:59 PM and then pick up again at mid­night. There’s con­tin­u­al cov­er­age, even dur­ing that alleged one-minute black­out. So, in the­o­ry, it should be pos­si­ble for the FBI to release the actu­al “raw footage” of the time sur­round­ing mid­night to answer these ques­tions. Will that com­plete raw footage in the min­utes around that mid­night hour ever be released? If not, that is wild­ly sus­pi­cious. This should be an easy con­tro­ver­sy to dis­miss:

    ...
    The near­ly three-minute dis­crep­an­cy may be relat­ed to the wide­ly report­ed one-minute gap—between 11:58:58 pm and 12:00:00 am—that attor­ney gen­er­al Pam Bon­di has attrib­uted to a night­ly sys­tem reset. The meta­da­ta con­firms that the first video file, which showed footage from August 9, 2019, con­tin­ued for sev­er­al min­utes beyond what appears in the final ver­sion of the video and was trimmed to the 11:58:58 pm mark, right before the jump to mid­night. The cut to the first clip doesn’t nec­es­sar­i­ly mean that there is addi­tion­al time unac­count­ed for—the sec­ond clip picks up at mid­night, which sug­gests the two would overlap—nor does it prove that the miss­ing minute was cut from the video.

    ...

    In response to detailed ques­tions about how the video was assem­bled, WIRED sent a request for com­ment to the Depart­ment of Jus­tice at 7:40 am on Tues­day morn­ing. Just two min­utes lat­er, Natal­ie Bal­das­sarre, a pub­lic affairs offi­cer for the DOJ, replied terse­ly: “Refer you to the FBI.” The FBI declined WIRED’s request for com­ment.
    ...

    Also not how the first clip with the miss­ing 2:53 was saved mul­ti­ple times over the course of 3 1/2 hours. This was hard­ly a com­plex edit­ing oper­a­tion. It should take 3 1/2 hours to do this kind of sim­ple video crop­ping unless the per­son doing it is a begin­ner who is learn­ing how to use the soft­ware. It’s pos­si­ble they cre­at­ed the file, and then worked on some­thing else and only inter­mit­tent­ly returned to the file to con­tin­ue work­ing on it. But there’s anoth­er expla­na­tion for the hours spent gen­er­at­ing this file: they had to show it to some­one to review it and that per­son asked them to make changes. We’ll pre­sum­ably nev­er know the expla­na­tion, although “MJCOLE~1” at the FBI pre­sum­ably knows the answer:

    ...
    WIRED’s ini­tial analy­sis found that those saves took place over a 23-minute span; how­ev­er, fur­ther analy­sis of addi­tion­al meta­da­ta shows the file was actu­al­ly edit­ed and saved sev­er­al times over a peri­od of more than three and a half hours on May 23, 2025. Specif­i­cal­ly, the file was cre­at­ed at 4:48 pm and last mod­i­fied at 8:16 pm ET that day. The meta­da­ta also ref­er­ences “MJCOLE~1,” which is like­ly a short­ened ver­sion of a longer user­name. While it like­ly begins with “MJCOLE,” the full name can­not be deter­mined from the meta­da­ta alone.

    ...

    And then we get this rather impor­tant detail about what was even revealed in those secu­ri­ty files: the video only shows the doors lead­ing up to wing where Epstein’s was being held. It does­n’t show the door to Epstein’s cell itself. So while the ques­tions over this released ‘raw footage’ are cer­tain­ly rel­e­vant in this sto­ry, it’s impor­tant to keep in mind that this footage does­n’t actu­al­ly answer the ques­tion of whether or not any­one entered Epstein’s cell. It only pur­port­ed­ly answers the ques­tion of whether or not some­one entered the tier of the SHU where Epstein’s was being held:

    ...
    The FBI released both “raw” and enhanced ver­sions of the video. Both ver­sions include inter­nal com­ment mark­ers, anno­ta­tions typ­i­cal­ly used in edit­ing soft­ware to flag moments of inter­est. The enhanced ver­sion, which the FBI referred to as Video 2, con­tains 15 such mark­ers that appar­ent­ly cor­re­spond to vis­i­ble move­ment near “46 door” at New York’s Met­ro­pol­i­tan Cor­rec­tion­al Cen­ter (MCC). This door is near the cell block where Epstein was being held while await­ing tri­al on sex traf­fick­ing charges. These mark­ers appear to have been left by ana­lysts dur­ing their review, but they do not include the orig­i­nal com­ment text.

    Accord­ing to a 2023 report by the DOJ’s Office of the Inspec­tor Gen­er­al (OIG), only two cam­eras in the vicin­i­ty of the Spe­cial Hous­ing Unit (SHU), the area of the MCC where Epstein was held, were film­ing and record­ing at the time of his death. Accord­ing to the report, the cam­era that record­ed the footage the DOJ released July 7 cap­tured video of a large por­tion of the SHU com­mon area and parts of the stair­ways lead­ing to var­i­ous “tiers,” one of which housed Epstein’s cell.

    The OIG report notes that the MCC’s sur­veil­lance sys­tem was out­dat­ed at the time of Epstein’s death, “had not been prop­er­ly main­tained,” and that the DVR hard dri­ves that stored the video files “fre­quent­ly mal­func­tioned and need­ed to be replaced.”

    Both the 2023 OIG report and the DOJ-FBI memo pub­lished last week state that any­one enter­ing or attempt­ing to access the tier con­tain­ing Epstein’s cell from the SHU com­mon area on August 9 or 10, 2019, would have been vis­i­ble on that cam­era. How­ev­er, Epstein’s cell door itself was not with­in the camera’s field of view. The stair­way lead­ing to the tier where he was held was also par­tial­ly obstruct­ed and dif­fi­cult to see clear­ly on the video. (A sec­ond cam­era, which cov­ered the “ninth-floor fire exit and two of the floor’s four ele­va­tors,” was also film­ing at the time, accord­ing to the OIG report.)
    ...

    And those grow­ing ques­tions over the verac­i­ty of that ‘raw footage’ brings us to the lat­est Trump-Epstein rev­e­la­tion: the Wall Street Jour­nal just report­ed on a 2003 birth­day card from Trump to Epstein. It’s creepy. An enig­mat­ic kind of creepi­ness, one might say:

    Politi­co

    MAGA world leaps to Trump’s defense over alleged Epstein let­ter

    “For­give my lan­guage but this sto­ry is com­plete and utter bull­shit,” Vice Pres­i­dent JD Vance said.
    Pres­i­dent Don­ald Trump arriv­ing before speak­ing at a cer­e­mo­ny

    By Seb Starce­vic
    07/17/2025 09:27 PM EDT

    Pres­i­dent Don­ald Trump’s allies rushed to dis­miss a report that he sent a sala­cious birth­day let­ter to accused sex traf­fick­er Jef­frey Epstein.

    The Wall Street Jour­nal report­ed Thurs­day that Epstein’s co-con­spir­a­tor, Ghis­laine Maxwell, col­lect­ed let­ters from Trump and dozens of oth­er peo­ple in 2003 — a rev­e­la­tion that came amid intense new inter­est in the case.

    Trump’s let­ter, which the paper said was reviewed as part of the crim­i­nal inves­ti­ga­tion of Epstein, bears his sig­na­ture and “con­tains sev­er­al lines of type­writ­ten text framed by the out­line of a naked woman, which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy mark­er,” accord­ing to the Jour­nal arti­cle.

    “Hap­py Birth­day — and may every day be anoth­er won­der­ful secret,” the let­ter reads.

    Trump raged at the Jour­nal for pub­lish­ing the sto­ry, call­ing it “false, mali­cious, and defam­a­to­ry” and vow­ing in a post on Truth Social to sue the pub­li­ca­tion and its own­er, Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp.

    ...

    Promi­nent fig­ures in MAGA world rushed to Trump’s defense after the Jour­nal pub­lished its sto­ry.

    “For­give my lan­guage but this sto­ry is com­plete and utter bullsh it,” Vice Pres­i­dent JD Vance wrote on X. “The WSJ should be ashamed for pub­lish­ing it.”

    “Where is this let­ter? Would you be shocked to learn they nev­er showed it to us before pub­lish­ing it? Does any­one hon­est­ly believe this sounds like Don­ald Trump?” Vance added.

    Even Elon Musk, whose rela­tion­ship with the pres­i­dent has recent­ly appeared to sour, said the let­ter “real­ly doesn’t sound like some­thing Trump would say” and “sounds bogus.”

    Oth­er high-pro­file MAGA fig­ures and far-right activists, includ­ing Char­lie Kirk, Jack Poso­biec and Lau­ra Loomer, deemed the let­ter — which The Wall Street Jour­nal did not pub­lish in its entire­ty — a fab­ri­ca­tion.

    “I’m call­ing bullsh it on this Trump ‘birth­day let­ter’ to Epstein,” Loomer said. “It’s total­ly fake. Every­one who actu­al­ly KNOWS Pres­i­dent Trump knows he doesn’t type let­ters.”

    ...

    ————-

    “MAGA world leaps to Trump’s defense over alleged Epstein let­ter” By Seb Starce­vic; Politi­co; 07/17/2025

    ““Hap­py Birth­day — and may every day be anoth­er won­der­ful secret,” the let­ter reads.”

    Well that’s just about the creepi­est way he could have end­ed his birth­day card. But per­haps appro­pri­ate giv­en Epstein’s claims that he was Trump’s clos­est friend for a decade. And as we can see, Trump and his many defend­ers — includ­ing those seem­ing­ly also angry with Trump over the han­dling of the Epstein case and even Elon Musk who pub­licly sug­gest­ed Trump was in the Epstein client list — were quick to insist that this alleged birth­day card was com­plete­ly out of char­ac­ter for Trump:

    ...
    Trump raged at the Jour­nal for pub­lish­ing the sto­ry, call­ing it “false, mali­cious, and defam­a­to­ry” and vow­ing in a post on Truth Social to sue the pub­li­ca­tion and its own­er, Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp.

    ...

    Promi­nent fig­ures in MAGA world rushed to Trump’s defense after the Jour­nal pub­lished its sto­ry.

    “For­give my lan­guage but this sto­ry is com­plete and utter bullsh it,” Vice Pres­i­dent JD Vance wrote on X. “The WSJ should be ashamed for pub­lish­ing it.”

    “Where is this let­ter? Would you be shocked to learn they nev­er showed it to us before pub­lish­ing it? Does any­one hon­est­ly believe this sounds like Don­ald Trump?” Vance added.

    Even Elon Musk, whose rela­tion­ship with the pres­i­dent has recent­ly appeared to sour, said the let­ter “real­ly doesn’t sound like some­thing Trump would say” and “sounds bogus.”

    Oth­er high-pro­file MAGA fig­ures and far-right activists, includ­ing Char­lie Kirk, Jack Poso­biec and Lau­ra Loomer, deemed the let­ter — which The Wall Street Jour­nal did not pub­lish in its entire­ty — a fab­ri­ca­tion.

    “I’m call­ing bullsh it on this Trump ‘birth­day let­ter’ to Epstein,” Loomer said. “It’s total­ly fake. Every­one who actu­al­ly KNOWS Pres­i­dent Trump knows he doesn’t type let­ters.”
    ...

    And yet, despite those cries of ‘fake news!’, we’re already being flood­ed with exam­ples of Trump’s exten­sive doo­dle his­to­ry:

    The New Repub­lic

    MAGA Claim About Trump’s Epstein Birth­day Let­ter Instant­ly Crum­bles

    Trump’s sup­port­ers claim he would nev­er use one word in the let­ter. Well, here’s video proof.

    Mal­colm Fer­gu­son
    July 18, 2025
    12:33 p.m. ET

    Pres­i­dent Trump’s fol­low­ers offered a measly defense against The Wall Street Jour­nal’s exposé of the president’s close rela­tion­ship with defamed pedophile Jef­frey Epstein.

    The Jour­nal report­ed that Trump wrote a 50th birth­day let­ter to Epstein in which he used the word “enig­ma.”

    “Enig­mas nev­er age, have you noticed that?” Trump wrote..

    ...

    “I asked Grok to search every record of Trump speak­ing or writ­ing to deter­mine if he has ever used the word “enig­ma” before, and Grok says there is no record of him ever say­ing or speak­ing the word,” wrote Sean Davis, founder of The Fed­er­al­ist, a con­ser­v­a­tive news out­let.

    Bil­lion­aire Bill Ack­man also chimed in.

    “I find it to be an enig­ma that Don­ald Trump would use the word enig­ma,” he wrote.

    Grok, Ack­man, Davis, and oth­ers across MAGA claim­ing the same thing are very loud and very wrong. There is video footage of Trump say­ing the word they claim he’s too real (or maybe too stu­pid?) to use.

    “Carson’s an enig­ma to me,” Trump said at a ral­ly in 2015, using the word with con­fi­dence when describ­ing then-can­di­date Ben Car­son. “Carson’s an enig­ma.”

    Trump didn’t just use the word cor­rect­ly, he used it twice in that one speech. The word also appears mul­ti­ple times in Trump’s books.

    Trump ear­li­er tried to dis­cred­it the Jour­nal’s report by say­ing he would nev­er, ever doo­dle. (Trump’s birth­day let­ter to Epstein alleged­ly con­tained a draw­ing of a nude woman.)

    “I nev­er wrote a pic­ture in my life,” Trump said.

    That was also eas­i­ly debunked, as Trump has made count­less sketch­es that have been auc­tioned off for thou­sands of dol­lars. It’s hon­est­ly sur­pris­ing how weak Trump and MAGA’s excus­es are, espe­cial­ly giv­en how indig­nant and upset he and his inner cir­cle have been act­ing since the arti­cle dropped. He said he doesn’t draw, but there have been mul­ti­ple draw­ings of his on the mar­ket. His fol­low­ers say he wouldn’t say those words, but he’s on cam­era say­ing them. He would have been bet­ter off just out­right deny­ing the let­ter, rather than try­ing to pick spe­cif­ic parts of the report to rebuff.

    ———–

    “MAGA Claim About Trump’s Epstein Birth­day Let­ter Instant­ly Crum­bles” by Mal­colm Fer­gu­son; The New Repub­lic; 07/18/2025

    ““Enig­mas nev­er age, have you noticed that?” Trump wrote.”

    Again, it’s hard to think of a creepi­er line he could have used. But that’s the kind of friend­ship they had. A very creepy close friend­ship. But it’s also hard to imag­ine a weak­er defense than what we’ve seen from Trump and the restof his MAGA world allies. There is no mys­teroy about Trump’s use of the word enig­ma. He has an estab­lished track record of using it. Just as he has an estab­lished track record of cre­at­ing doo­dles, includ­ing a doo­dle sold for char­i­ty. The evi­dence to refute these claims was just sit­ting out there an took less than a day for peo­ple to dis­cov­er:

    ...
    Grok, Ack­man, Davis, and oth­ers across MAGA claim­ing the same thing are very loud and very wrong. There is video footage of Trump say­ing the word they claim he’s too real (or maybe too stu­pid?) to use.

    “Carson’s an enig­ma to me,” Trump said at a ral­ly in 2015, using the word with con­fi­dence when describ­ing then-can­di­date Ben Car­son. “Carson’s an enig­ma.”

    Trump didn’t just use the word cor­rect­ly, he used it twice in that one speech. The word also appears mul­ti­ple times in Trump’s books.

    Trump ear­li­er tried to dis­cred­it the Jour­nal’s report by say­ing he would nev­er, ever doo­dle. (Trump’s birth­day let­ter to Epstein alleged­ly con­tained a draw­ing of a nude woman.)

    “I nev­er wrote a pic­ture in my life,” Trump said.

    That was also eas­i­ly debunked, as Trump has made count­less sketch­es that have been auc­tioned off for thou­sands of dol­lars. It’s hon­est­ly sur­pris­ing how weak Trump and MAGA’s excus­es are, espe­cial­ly giv­en how indig­nant and upset he and his inner cir­cle have been act­ing since the arti­cle dropped. He said he doesn’t draw, but there have been mul­ti­ple draw­ings of his on the mar­ket. His fol­low­ers say he wouldn’t say those words, but he’s on cam­era say­ing them. He would have been bet­ter off just out­right deny­ing the let­ter, rather than try­ing to pick spe­cif­ic parts of the report to rebuff.
    ...

    Again, are we look­ing at the start of the Pres­i­dent JD Vance admin­is­tra­tion? Time will tell. But this real­ly does just keep look­ing worse. And it’s hard to imag­ine Trump’s law­suit is going to make it look any bet­ter. If any­thing it’s going to deep­en the cri­sis.

    How much deep­er can the cri­sis go before we start get­ting reports of a some kind of health rea­son for Trump to step down? Again, time will tell. *tick tock*.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | July 18, 2025, 8:57 pm
  5. The US House of Rep­re­sen­ta­tives just went on recess for the sum­mer. It was­n’t a sched­uled recess. Instead, it appears to be an attempt by Speak­er of the House Mike John­son to quell grow­ing pub­lic calls for the release of the ‘Epstein files’ as out­rage over the Trump admin­is­tra­tion’s han­dling of this mat­ter con­tin­ues to fes­ter. Yep, the House just shut itself down to dodge all these Epstein-relat­ed ques­tions. It was­n’t exact­ly sub­tle.

    At the same time, as we’re going to see, Elon Musk has renewed his online cru­sade to impli­cate Pres­i­dent Trump in the Epstein file, fur­ther­ing the appar­ent demise of the Trump/Musk bro-mance that has explod­ed over the past cou­ple of months. Which makes this a good time to recall that New York Times piece from August 12, 2019, days after Epstein’s death, “The Day Jef­frey Epstein Told Me He Had Dirt on Pow­er­ful Peo­ple”, by James B. Stew­art about his 2018 vis­it to Epstein’s Man­hat­tan man­sion for an inter­view. It was appar­ent­ly intend­ed to be an ‘off the record’ inter­view, where noth­ing would be sourced direct­ly back to Epstein. But with Epstein’s death, Stew­art decid­ed that ‘off the record’ pledge no longer applied. As we saw, Stew­art report­ed­ly described to Epstein how he heard a rumor that Epstein was advis­ing Elon Musk in the wake of the cor­po­rate tur­moil cre­at­ed by Musk after he announced on Twit­ter that he had lined up the fund­ing to take Tes­la pri­vate, result­ing in an inves­ti­ga­tion by the Secu­ri­ties and Exchange Com­mis­sion (SEC) (which result­ed in a set­tle­ment of a $20 mil­lion and the agree­ment that a lawyer would approve of some of Musk’s tweets in advance). Stew­art told Epstein how he heard that it was Epstein who was com­pil­ing a list of can­di­dates to replace Musk as the new chair­man of Tes­la. And he was doing this at Musk’s behest.

    Yes, when Musk need­ed to find some­one to take his place, he went to Epstein. Alleged­ly. At least that’s what James B. Stew­art heard and Epstein seemed to con­firm back in 2018. Now, on the one hand, it’s true that Epstein had shock­ing­ly exten­sive ties to the tech­nol­o­gy sec­tor and would have known a lot of peo­ple who might be con­sid­ered pos­si­ble can­di­dates. But at the same time, Epstein was also a mas­ter of black­mail and extor­tion, and would pre­sum­ably be knowl­edgable of com­pro­mis­ing infor­ma­tion about these tech fig­ures too. So we have to ask: why did Musk alleged­ly want Epstein’s exper­tise? Because it’s not like Musk did­n’t know peo­ple in Sil­i­con Val­ley. He should have had lit­tle dif­fi­cul­ty gen­er­at­ing that list on his own. Why would some­one as well con­nect­ed as Musk go to Epstein? Well, there’s glar­ing­ly obvi­ous pos­si­bil­i­ty: Was Musk specif­i­cal­ly look­ing to learn who has com­pro­mis­ing mate­r­i­al on them and who does­n’t? Because that would cer­tain­ly explain Musk’s will­ing­ness to secret­ly employ Epstein in 2018 for such a sen­si­tive, at a time when Epstein was, in his own words, “radioac­tive”.

    And as we saw, while Musk vehe­ment­ly denied the report, Epstein told Stew­art that he had to avoid dis­cussing his work for Tel­sa because, should that become pub­lic, he would have to stop that work since he was “radioac­tive”. Again, this was intend­ed to be an “off the record” inter­view, so the fact that Epstein shared this with Stew­art isn’t par­tic­u­lar­ly shock­ing since it pre­sum­ably nev­er would have been pub­lished had he not died. It’s an exam­ple of how ‘off the record’ inter­views could serve as a kind of “dead man’s trig­ger” for Epstein. Because his death cer­tain­ly result­ed in an embar­rass­ing rev­e­la­tion for Elon. Or at least it would have been embar­rass­ing had the world not for­got­ten about it.

    Let’s also keep in mind one of the oth­er glar­ing­ly obvi­ous impli­ca­tions of the sto­ry of Musk’s alleged secret hir­ing of Epstein in 2018 to iden­ti­fy a list of ‘com­pro­mised’ pos­si­ble replace­ments: the hir­ing Epstein in secret is, itself, a com­pro­mis­ing act that could lead to black­mail and extor­tion. Musk real­ly was kind of behold­en to Epstein once he did that, assum­ing the claims are true. If Musk actu­al­ly hired Epstein to find out who was com­pro­mised and who was­n’t, that would be all the more scan­dalous and extortable. And the fact that Stew­art approached Epstein with the gos­sip he was hear­ing about Musk hir­ing him sug­gests that word was get­ting around. It’s a pos­si­ble sce­nario that dou­bles as an exam­ple of how Epstein’s alleged work as a sex­u­al black­mail­er and extor­tion­ist would­n’t nec­es­sar­i­ly just be of inter­est to intel­li­gence agen­cies. All sorts of pri­vate inter­ests might want to hire Epstein’s ser­vices too. For all of the focus on which Demo­c­rat or Repub­li­can elect­ed offi­cials might be on Epstein’s client list, it’s easy to for­get that cor­po­rate exec­u­tives and oth­er pow­er­ful peo­ple in the pri­vate sec­tor are both capa­ble of cre­at­ing high­ly expen­sive scan­dals based on their per­son­al behav­ior but also the kind of peo­ple oth­ers might want to con­trol.

    It’s also a reminder that the ‘Epstein client list’ would­n’t nec­es­sar­i­ly include the clients who pro­cured sex­u­al ser­vices. There’s also the clients inter­est­ed in learn­ing about that dirt. Clients like Elon Musk. At least that’s what Epstein seem to admit to James B. Stew­art backer in 2018 in an ‘off the record’ inter­view.

    Also recall how that inter­view with Epstein by James B. Stew­art sug­gest­ed that the kind of dirt Epstein was col­lect­ing on pow­er­ful peo­ple was­n’t lim­it­ed to sex­u­al black­mail. As Epstein put it to Stew­art, the sor­did nature of his very noto­ri­ety seemed to make pow­er­ful peo­ple more inclined to share their own secrets with him. And use drugs in front of him. In fact, Epstein told Stew­art he saw promi­nent tech fig­ures tak­ing drugs and arrang­ing for sex. Epstein was­n’t just gen­er­at­ing poten­tial black­mail mate­r­i­al by pro­vid­ing under­age sex ser­vices to pow­er­ful men. He was cre­at­ing a kind of dement­ed elite club house envi­ron­ment where they could feel free to do all sorts of drugs and spill their secrets too. Like Bill Gates, who report­ed­ly vis­it­ed Epstein’s home dozens of times from 2011–2014 while seek­ing advice from Epstein over how to end his ‘tox­ic’ mar­riage and guid­ing Gates’s phil­an­thropic spend­ing. There’s a good chance some com­pro­mis­ing infor­ma­tion was shared with Epstein whether or not Gates pro­cured any sex­u­al ser­vices.

    That’s all part of the large­ly for­got­ten ‘Musk hired Epstein’ sto­ry. It points towards an angle to the Epstein saga that has­n’t real­ly received all that much atten­tion. We’ve heard much about Epstein social­iz­ing, and pre­sum­ably com­pro­mis­ing promi­nent peo­ple in tech­nol­o­gy and acad­e­mia and we’ve also heard about his like­ly ties to US and Israeli intel­li­gence, and per­haps oth­er intel­li­gence agen­cies. But the sale of his black­mail mate­r­i­al to pri­vate inter­ests like Musk is an under-explored pos­si­bil­i­ty. And that sale would in effect cre­ate a sec­ond ‘client list’. One with Musk’s name on it, alleged­ly.

    And if Musk real­ly did hire Epstein as a means of kind of vet­ting the black­mail­able sta­tus of poten­tial replace­ments, keep in mind that would also sug­gest there’s a shock­ing num­ber of peo­ple who fall into that cat­e­go­ry. How many peo­ple did Epstein’s oper­a­tion pro­vide sex­u­al ser­vices for who would fall into the cat­e­go­ry of pos­si­ble Tes­la CEO replace­ments?

    At the same time, there is a sto­ry that we’ve heard about quite a bit that involves an enti­ty col­lect­ing data­bas­es of com­pro­mis­ing infor­ma­tion on indi­vid­u­als with clients that include both gov­ern­ment agen­cies and pri­vate inter­ests: Palan­tir. And now, with the Musk-launched Depart­ment of Gov­ern­ment Effi­cien­cy (DOGE) assem­bling a giant cen­tral­ized ‘data­base of ruin’ of high­ly sen­si­tive infor­ma­tion on vir­tu­al­ly all US res­i­dents, and task­ing Palan­tir to build and main­tain it, Palan­tir real­ly has become a kind of cen­tral gov­ern­ment repos­i­to­ry for pos­si­ble black­mail mate­r­i­al on every­one. That’s also part of the con­text of the cur­rent Epstein-relat­ed uproar: for all of the under­stand­able polit­i­cal tur­moil gen­er­at­ed by this sto­ry about an intel­li­gence-con­nect­ed mas­ter of black­mail and extor­tion dying under mys­te­ri­ous cir­cum­stances, the real­i­ty is that a sys­tem of con­trol based on the com­pi­la­tion of sen­si­tive mate­ri­als on every­one is already being con­struct­ed thanks to Musk’s DOGE efforts and Peter Thiel’s Palan­tir.

    And that’s also part of the con­text of Musk’s ongo­ing pub­lic mock­ery of Pres­i­dent Trump’s Epstein embar­rass­ments. When Musk asks “where is the client list?”, he’s pre­sum­ably not talk­ing about the list of peo­ple who secret­ly hired Epstein for CEO recruit­ment advise. But it’s a great ques­tion: who else hired Epstein to help vet poten­tial cor­po­rate lead­ers? And, more gen­er­al­ly, how per­va­sive is black­mail and extor­tion among the pow­er­ful? Because the more we learn about the life, and death (and coverup), of Jef­frey Epstein, the more it seems like this is just how the halls of pow­er oper­ates. It’s been said that, behind every great for­tune lies a great crime. How about black­mail and extor­tion?

    And those ques­tions about the per­va­sive­ness of black­mail and extor­tion among the bil­lion­aire class brings us to anoth­er rather inter­est­ing recent sto­ry: Musk’s xAI firm just inked a deal with the Pen­ta­gon worth near­ly $200 mil­lion to imple­ment the Grok AI for mil­i­tary uses. It’s the lat­est in string of major AI con­tracts announced by the Pen­ta­gon in recent months. And com­ing at the same time exec­u­tives from Sil­i­con Val­ley firms are being direct­ly appoint­ed reserve offi­cers in the US mil­i­tary as part of the new “201 Direc­tive”, where they will be over­see­ing the imple­men­ta­tion of AI into the Pen­tagon’s infra­struc­ture. Yep, Meta, Ope­nAI, and Palan­tir have already been sworn in.

    Part of what made the xAI con­tract notable news is the fact that it came just days after a recent­ly updat­ed Grok AI went on an anti­semitism ben­der on Twit­ter, cul­mi­nat­ing in Grok declarat­ing itself to be “MechaHitler”. But this sto­ry is also hit­ting at the same time the Trump/Musk bro-mance has con­tin­ued to pub­licly col­lapse. How is it that xAI man­aged to secure this con­tract in this polit­i­cal con­text? Recall how Anthrop­ic’s spe­cial ver­sion of its “Claude” AI built for gov­ern­ment work was going to have few­er guardrails com­pared to the civil­ian Claude coun­ter­part. That was sell­ing point for the gov­ern­ment, appar­ent­ly. Few­er guardrails. Will “Grok for Gov­ern­ment” oper­ate with few­er restraints too? It would be fool­ish to assume oth­er­wise. Which also make this a good time to recall how the “white geno­cide” Grok fias­co was even­tu­al­ly blamed — by Grok — on some­one mak­ing an “unau­tho­rized mod­i­fi­ca­tion” to Grok’s code to force to be a Nazi. Imag­ine what some­one with a “few­er guardrails” AI will be able to do if they have malev­o­lent intent.

    And, as we’re going to see, it was just days after that Pen­ta­gon con­tract was signed that Musk was back to pub­licly demand­ing a release of the Epstein files after sug­gest­ing Trump is on the ‘client list’. It’s a pret­ty incred­i­ble state of affairs. And with the Epstein sto­ry play­ing out the way it is, we have to ask: is Musk get­ting these gov­ern­ment con­tracts pri­mar­i­ly based on the mer­its of the ser­vices he’s offer­ing? Or is some kind of corruption/extortion play­ing a role in the secur­ing of these con­tracts? How per­va­sive is the kind of black­mail and extor­tion seem­ing­ly revealed by the Epstein sto­ry today in the realm of gov­ern­ment con­tract­ing? There’s no rea­son to assume Epstein is the only source of poten­tial black­mail mate­r­i­al. Espe­cial­ly now with the DOGE/Palantir ‘data­base of ruin’. A whole new uni­verse of lever­age is now acces­si­ble to the peo­ple who have access to that data­base. And not just gov­ern­ment con­tracts. Recall that sto­ry about how Palan­tir is now being incor­po­rat­ed into the British Navy, with an eye on using Palan­tir’s AI to pre­dict future staffing needs and help iden­ti­fy per­son­nel who should be pri­or­i­tized for retain­ment to ful­fill those future staffing needs. As we saw, the fig­ure run­ning Palan­tir’s Lon­don office was none oth­er than the grand­son of Oswald Mose­ly, the founder of Britain’s fas­cist par­ty. Just imag­ine how much inti­mate infor­ma­tion Palan­tir is going to be acquir­ing on the indi­vid­ual mem­bers of the UK’s Navy. How might that data base abused and exploit­ed?

    And while Palan­tir may be play­ing a lead­ing role in the con­struc­tion of this ‘data­base of ruin’, we should­n’t assume it’s only Palan­tir that has been con­sum­ing all of this sen­si­tive data. As we’re going to see, pri­va­cy experts have been sound­ing the alarm about the mass incor­po­ra­tion of these same high­ly sen­si­tive gov­ern­ment data­bas­es into Grok, with an appar­ent aim on get­ting Grok inte­grat­ed into as much of the fed­er­al infra­struc­ture as pos­si­ble. ‘Grok for gov­ern­ment’ is intend­ed to be the future of gov­ern­ment work once DOGE is done. And it’s clear­ly intend­ed to be a per­ma­nent fix­ture. Per­va­sive. All know­ing and all see­ing, across the fed­er­al land­scape. At least that’s the plan.

    At the same time, let’s not assume Palan­tir isn’t aggres­sive­ly mak­ing inroads in its own push to gain access to as much sen­si­tive infor­ma­tion as pos­si­ble. As we’re going see, Palan­tir has a new project already under­way in the UK that give us a glimpse into what can be done with a ‘data­base or ruin’: Project Nec­tar, a new AI-pow­ered sys­tem that sure sounds like a ‘data­base or ruin’ for the UK pop­u­lace. The new sys­tem, soon to be test­ed in the UK town of Bed­ford­shire, is designed to give the police shock­ing­ly detailed pro­files of the res­i­dents of the town for use in solv­ing crimes. The data­base will include details like polit­i­cal affil­i­a­tions, reli­gion, health, and sex­u­al habits. If suc­cess­ful, the project will be rolled out across the UK. With ‘suc­cess’ being defined by how well this sys­tem helps solve/prevent crimes. So Palan­tir could be put in a posi­tion to man­age and build per­son­al pro­files on the pop­u­la­tion of the UK to be used by law enforce­ment. What kind of lever­age does this con­fers onto Palan­tir over the UK pop­u­lace?

    Keep in mind that there’s going to be noth­ing stop­ping a future Demo­c­ra­t­ic-run admin­is­tra­tion from expelling Grok or Palan­tir from the gov­ern­men­t’s most sen­si­tive data­bas­es. Well, noth­ing except all of the pos­si­ble lever­age Musk has acquired thanks to his access to the most sen­si­tive con­tents in the ‘data­base of ruin’. Then again, it’s not as if Demo­c­ra­t­ic admin­is­tra­tions in the past have done any­thing to reign in the per­ni­cious rise of Palan­tir, fund­ed by the CIA’s In-Q-Tel, over the past quar­ter cen­tu­ry. So who knows if we’ll see future Demo­c­ra­t­ic admin­is­tra­tions — assum­ing they are allowed to exist — take steps to cor­rect the increas­ing­ly dan­ger­ous pri­vate AI intru­sion into the fed­er­al gov­ern­ment. But if that should hap­pen, let’s not kid our­selves. Musk and Thiel will have plen­ty of ammu­ni­tion to fight back. The kind of ammu­ni­tion we’ll nev­er hear about because not hear­ing about it is the entire point. That’s how black­mail works.

    Also keep in mind that the more both Musk and Thiel turns them­selves into a polit­i­cal­ly radioac­tive pub­lic per­sonas who alien­ates large swathes of the pop­u­la­tion, the more reliant they are going to be on gov­ern­ments as clients. Which, in turn, is going to make the cul­ti­va­tion and threat of pow­er­ful lever­age all the more impor­tant. By throw­ing their lot in with MAGA-land so com­plete­ly, Musk and Thiel might have to become kind of super-Epsteins to pro­tect those gov­ern­ment con­tracts. Indi­vid­u­als capa­ble of threat­en­ing any­one from any par­ty who decides to come after those gov­ern­ment con­tracts.

    It’s that ongo­ing con­struc­tion of mas­sive, unprece­dent­ed data­bas­es of high­ly sen­si­tive infor­ma­tion on every­one, man­aged by fas­cist enti­ties like Palan­tir or xAI, that is some­thing we should increas­ing­ly keep in mind as this Epstein sto­ry con­tin­ues to play out. Because for all of the uproar about the kind of infor­ma­tion Epstein was gath­er­ing on pow­er­ful peo­ple, we should­n’t assume that the pow­er­ful are the only mem­bers of soci­ety worth black­mail­ing. Once you have a sys­tem in place to cre­at­ed lever­age over just about any­one, that’s a sys­tem that will be used. US and UK Stasi states real­ly are under con­struc­tion, led by fig­ures like Thiel and Musk.

    Ok, first, here’s a look at the tru­ly incred­i­ble pub­lic feud still ongo­ing between Pres­i­dent Trump and Elon Musk over the Epstein files. A feud that seems to most­ly involve Musk issu­ing scathing pub­lic attacks sug­gest­ing that Trump is in the Epstein files and cov­er­ing it up. And yet, amaz­ing­ly, a feud that does­n’t seem to have impact­ed Musk’s abil­i­ty to pro­cure lucra­tive gov­ern­ment con­tracts at all:

    The Times

    Elon Musk mocks Trump over Epstein files — ‘Where is the client list?’

    President’s for­mer ally piles on pres­sure to dis­close all doc­u­ments as con­spir­a­cy the­o­rists alarmed by fir­ing of Mau­rene Comey, a Ghis­laine Maxwell pros­e­cu­tor

    George Grylls, Wash­ing­ton
    Thurs­day July 17 2025, 3.50pm BST,

    Elon Musk has renewed his war with Pres­i­dent Trump by mock­ing his refusal to release the Jef­frey Epstein files.

    The tech bil­lion­aire alleged dur­ing the pair’s explo­sive falling-out in June that Trump was named on the so-called Epstein client list.

    He lat­er delet­ed the alle­ga­tion, but on Wednes­day night he crit­i­cised the pres­i­dent for sug­gest­ing the furore over the files was a “hoax” per­pe­trat­ed by his polit­i­cal rivals.

    “Wow, amaz­ing that Epstein ‘killed him­self’ and Ghis­laine [Maxwell, Epstein’s long­time girl­friend con­vict­ed of sex traf­fick­ing] is in fed­er­al prison for a hoax,” he wrote. In more than a dozen posts in an hour to his 222 mil­lion X fol­low­ers, he not­ed that “not even one” of Epstein’s alleged clients had been pros­e­cut­ed and said “so many pow­er­ful peo­ple want that list sup­pressed”.

    Musk resumed in the ear­ly hours of Thurs­day morn­ing by respond­ing to a num­ber of posts ques­tion­ing the deci­sion to keep part of the evi­dence secret. “Yeah, where is it?” he asked of the client list.

    ...

    He also appeared, in a pub­lic exchange with his Grok chat­bot, to endorse alle­ga­tions that Trump flew on Epstein’s pri­vate plane, nick­named the Loli­ta Express.

    He asked it for details about Epstein’s plane logs and to sum­marise “who went to Epstein’s island and when?” This was a ref­er­ence to the financier’s pri­vate resort in the US Vir­gin Islands, an alleged base for sex traf­fick­ing under­age girls.

    “Why was the plane called the Loli­ta Express? How old was Loli­ta in Nabokov’s book?” he added. “Research through­ly [sic] to find the com­plete lists of who else was on the plane dur­ing Trump’s 7 flights?”

    ...

    In a fur­ther devel­op­ment sure to alarm con­spir­a­cy the­o­rists, the pros­e­cu­tor who worked on the crim­i­nal cas­es against Epstein and Maxwell was fired from her job in the Man­hat­tan US attorney’s office on Wednes­day.

    Mau­rene Comey, 36, is the daugh­ter of James Comey, the for­mer direc­tor of the FBI and one of the peo­ple Trump has blamed for spread­ing the “hoax” along with Barack Oba­ma and Joe Biden.

    ...

    —————

    “Elon Musk mocks Trump over Epstein files — ‘Where is the client list?’” by George Grylls; The Times; 07/17/2025

    ““Wow, amaz­ing that Epstein ‘killed him­self’ and Ghis­laine [Maxwell, Epstein’s long­time girl­friend con­vict­ed of sex traf­fick­ing] is in fed­er­al prison for a hoax,” he wrote. In more than a dozen posts in an hour to his 222 mil­lion X fol­low­ers, he not­ed that “not even one” of Epstein’s alleged clients had been pros­e­cut­ed and said “so many pow­er­ful peo­ple want that list sup­pressed”.

    Elon Musk sure is being remark­ably aggres­sive with his Epstein accu­sa­tions late­ly. Sure, some of that might be due to his appar­ent falling out with Trump. He’s even task­ing Grok com­pile infor­ma­tion on the list of known pas­sen­gers on the Loli­ta Express. But how much of this behav­ior can we attribute to that large­ly over­looked 2019 piece by James B Stew­art alleg­ing Musk lit­er­al­ly secret­ly hired Epstein to find his own replace­ment? Either way, it’s pret­ty amaz­ing that Musk is con­tin­u­ing to lev­el these high pro­file attacks at the same time his firms are con­tin­u­ing to secure lucra­tive fed­er­al con­tracts. Like the new $200 mil­lion xAI con­tract with the Pen­ta­gon. Although it was­n’t exclu­sive­ly xAI that received a Pen­ta­gon con­tract. Google, Anthrop­ic, and Ope­nAI got sim­i­lar con­tracts. And as the arti­cle notes, the Pen­ta­gon isn’t just plan­ning on incor­po­rat­ing these AIs into its own oper­a­tions. It’s also team­ing up with the Gen­er­al Ser­vices Admin­is­tra­tion to make them avail­able through­out the fed­er­al gov­ern­ment. But in xAI’s case, the announce­ment hap­pened to come a week after Grok pub­licly declared itself MechaHitler:

    The Guardian

    xAI announces $200m US mil­i­tary deal after Grok chat­bot had Nazi melt­down

    Defense depart­ment also inked con­tracts with oth­er lead­ing AI firms includ­ing Google, Anthrop­ic and Ope­nAI

    Nick Robins-Ear­ly
    Mon 14 Jul 2025 16.24 EDT

    The week after its Grok chat­bot iden­ti­fied itself as “MechaHitler” and gen­er­at­ed anti­se­mit­ic posts, Elon Musk’s xAI firm announced a con­tract with the US Depart­ment of Defense (DoD) worth near­ly $200m. The deal is for devel­op­ing and imple­ment­ing arti­fi­cial intel­li­gence tools for the agency.

    The DoD on Mon­day also announced sim­i­lar con­tracts with $200m ceil­ings with sev­er­al oth­er major US-based arti­fi­cial intel­li­gence devel­op­ers, includ­ing Google, Anthrop­ic and Ope­nAI. The agency is part­ner­ing with the Gen­er­al Ser­vices Admin­is­tra­tion to make these com­pa­nies’ AI tools avail­able for use through­out the fed­er­al gov­ern­ment.

    ...

    The con­tracts deep­en the US military’s ties with AI devel­op­ers and are poised to expand the use of arti­fi­cial intel­li­gence with­in the US gov­ern­ment after Musk’s so-called ‘depart­ment of gov­ern­ment effi­cien­cy’ (Doge) over­saw mass fir­ings of work­ers through­out fed­er­al agen­cies. Until Musk’s recent falling-out with Don­ald Trump, the xAI founder was de fac­to leader of Doge as it gut­ted gov­ern­ment agen­cies and in some cas­es pushed for depart­ments to use the Grok chat­bot.

    xAI’s con­tract announce­ment comes after the com­pa­ny was forced to issue a pub­lic apol­o­gy after Grok post­ed a string of respons­es on X last week that includ­ed pro­mot­ing Nazi ide­ol­o­gy and rape fan­tasies. The com­pa­ny claimed that it fixed the issue and sub­se­quent­ly unveiled its lat­est AI mod­el with a $300-a-month sub­scrip­tion for an advanced ver­sion of the tool.

    The DoD’s con­tract will give xAI a boost of rev­enue as it seeks to com­pete with more estab­lished AI devel­op­ers such as Ope­nAI, which is led by Musk’s for­mer asso­ciate turned rival Sam Alt­man. Musk has been heav­i­ly pro­mot­ing xAI and attempt­ing to use oth­er parts of his tech empire to sup­port its future, includ­ing hav­ing SpaceX invest $2bn into the start­up, allow­ing it to acquire X (for­mer­ly Twit­ter) and announc­ing on Sun­day that Tes­la share­hold­ers will vote on their own invest­ment in xAI.

    xAI announced the deal and the cre­ation of what it calls “Grok for Gov­ern­ment” in a post on its web­site on Mon­day, detail­ing that in addi­tion to its pub­licly avail­able prod­ucts it would cre­ate cus­tom AI-pow­ered appli­ca­tions for poten­tial use in health­care, nation­al secu­ri­ty and oth­er pub­lic ser­vices.

    ...

    Musk has long com­plained that AI chat­bots are designed to pro­mote “woke” ide­ol­o­gy and vowed his Grok prod­uct would be “max­i­mal­ly truth seek­ing”. It has repeat­ed­ly run into con­tro­ver­sy over pro­mot­ing con­spir­a­cies and false­hoods, includ­ing ear­li­er this year giv­ing unprompt­ed respons­es that made false claims of “white geno­cide” tak­ing place in South Africa – echo­ing claims that Musk has made him­self.

    Ethics watch­dogs, Demo­c­ra­t­ic law­mak­ers and pri­va­cy advo­cates have expressed con­cerns about how Musk and Doge have imple­ment­ed AI in gov­ern­ment and gained access to sen­si­tive data while embed­ded at gov­ern­ment agen­cies. Doge staffers pre­vi­ous­ly fed gov­ern­ment data into a cus­tom ver­sion of Grok’s chat­bot in a poten­tial vio­la­tion of pri­va­cy and secu­ri­ty laws, Reuters report­ed in May.

    ———-

    “xAI announces $200m US mil­i­tary deal after Grok chat­bot had Nazi melt­down” by Nick Robins-Ear­ly; The Guardian; 07/14/2025

    xAI’s con­tract announce­ment comes after the com­pa­ny was forced to issue a pub­lic apol­o­gy after Grok post­ed a string of respons­es on X last week that includ­ed pro­mot­ing Nazi ide­ol­o­gy and rape fan­tasies. The com­pa­ny claimed that it fixed the issue and sub­se­quent­ly unveiled its lat­est AI mod­el with a $300-a-month sub­scrip­tion for an advanced ver­sion of the tool.”

    A new $200 mil­lion Pen­ta­gon AI con­tract, just a week after Grok went full Nazi. A whole new “MechaHitler” episode that fol­lowed weeks after the pri­or episodes when Grok devel­oped a ‘white geno­cide’ fix­a­tion that it blamed on an unau­tho­rized mod­i­fi­ca­tion of its code. Musk sure has proven adept at acquir­ing more and more gov­ern­ment con­tracts, even after his big pub­lic spat with Pres­i­dent Trump, a noto­ri­ous­ly vin­dic­tive indi­vid­ual. And it’s not like xAI is the only US com­pa­ny offer­ing these kinds of AI ser­vices. The com­pe­ti­tion is intense. And yet xAI still man­aged to secure this big new con­tract. It’s all rather amaz­ing:

    ...
    Musk has long com­plained that AI chat­bots are designed to pro­mote “woke” ide­ol­o­gy and vowed his Grok prod­uct would be “max­i­mal­ly truth seek­ing”. It has repeat­ed­ly run into con­tro­ver­sy over pro­mot­ing con­spir­a­cies and false­hoods, includ­ing ear­li­er this year giv­ing unprompt­ed respons­es that made false claims of “white geno­cide” tak­ing place in South Africa – echo­ing claims that Musk has made him­self.

    ...

    The DoD’s con­tract will give xAI a boost of rev­enue as it seeks to com­pete with more estab­lished AI devel­op­ers such as Ope­nAI, which is led by Musk’s for­mer asso­ciate turned rival Sam Alt­man. Musk has been heav­i­ly pro­mot­ing xAI and attempt­ing to use oth­er parts of his tech empire to sup­port its future, includ­ing hav­ing SpaceX invest $2bn into the start­up, allow­ing it to acquire X (for­mer­ly Twit­ter) and announc­ing on Sun­day that Tes­la share­hold­ers will vote on their own invest­ment in xAI.

    xAI announced the deal and the cre­ation of what it calls “Grok for Gov­ern­ment” in a post on its web­site on Mon­day, detail­ing that in addi­tion to its pub­licly avail­able prod­ucts it would cre­ate cus­tom AI-pow­ered appli­ca­tions for poten­tial use in health­care, nation­al secu­ri­ty and oth­er pub­lic ser­vices.
    ...

    And as the arti­cle reminds us, xAI’s con­tract with the Pen­ta­gon is just start when it comes to Musk’s ambi­tions for AI gov­ern­ment ser­vices. Dur­ing his time run­ning DOGE, Musk was push­ing to embed Grok across the fed­er­al bureau­cra­cy:

    ...
    The con­tracts deep­en the US military’s ties with AI devel­op­ers and are poised to expand the use of arti­fi­cial intel­li­gence with­in the US gov­ern­ment after Musk’s so-called ‘depart­ment of gov­ern­ment effi­cien­cy’ (Doge) over­saw mass fir­ings of work­ers through­out fed­er­al agen­cies. Until Musk’s recent falling-out with Don­ald Trump, the xAI founder was de fac­to leader of Doge as it gut­ted gov­ern­ment agen­cies and in some cas­es pushed for depart­ments to use the Grok chat­bot.
    ...

    And then there’s the fact that the Pen­ta­gon is report­ed­ly part­ner­ing with the Gen­er­al Ser­vices Admin­is­tra­tion to make these tools avail­able through­out the fed­er­al gov­ern­ment. Big plans for a kind of full-spec­trum fed­er­al AI takeover are already under­way. And it’s not just xAI. The Pen­ta­gon is ink­ing sim­i­lar con­tracts with oth­er AI firms like Google, Anthrop­ic and Ope­nAI too. Which is also rather amaz­ing. There’s going to be a vari­ety of com­pet­ing AIs all scour­ing the fed­er­al gov­ern­men­t’s databases...doing what­ev­er they want with that data after they’ve tak­en it:

    ...
    The DoD on Mon­day also announced sim­i­lar con­tracts with $200m ceil­ings with sev­er­al oth­er major US-based arti­fi­cial intel­li­gence devel­op­ers, includ­ing Google, Anthrop­ic and Ope­nAI. The agency is part­ner­ing with the Gen­er­al Ser­vices Admin­is­tra­tion to make these com­pa­nies’ AI tools avail­able for use through­out the fed­er­al gov­ern­ment.

    ...

    Ethics watch­dogs, Demo­c­ra­t­ic law­mak­ers and pri­va­cy advo­cates have expressed con­cerns about how Musk and Doge have imple­ment­ed AI in gov­ern­ment and gained access to sen­si­tive data while embed­ded at gov­ern­ment agen­cies. Doge staffers pre­vi­ous­ly fed gov­ern­ment data into a cus­tom ver­sion of Grok’s chat­bot in a poten­tial vio­la­tion of pri­va­cy and secu­ri­ty laws, Reuters report­ed in May.
    ...

    Next, let’s take a look at that Reuters report from back in May about the exten­sive pil­fer­ing of high­ly sen­si­tive gov­ern­ment data­bas­es under­way as part of the Musk-led DOGE efforts. But the alarms raised by the whistle­blow­ers cit­ed in the report aren’t just about the con­tents of these high­ly sen­si­tive fed­er­al data­bas­es being fed into AI plat­forms like Grok. They were also rais­ing alarms over the extent to which DOGE was being used as a kind of tro­jan horse to get Grok embed­ded as deeply into the fed­er­al bureau­cra­cy as pos­si­ble, with DOGE staffers report­ed­ly direct­ing fed­er­al employ­ees to use Grok for all sorts of appli­ca­tions despite not get­ting pri­or approval. And those appli­ca­tions include set­ting up sys­tems to scan employ­ee emails to search for signs of ‘dis­loy­al­ty’ towards Pres­i­dent Trump’s agen­da. So we are already get­ting reports of Grok being sur­rep­ti­tious­ly deployed across the fed­er­al gov­ern­ment and even being used for car­ry­ing out polit­i­cal loy­al­ty tests.

    And as the report also notes, among the many con­cerns raised by all of the unprece­dent­ed access grant­ed to Musk as a result of his lead DOGE role is the con­cern that Musk’s com­pa­nies have now gained access to non­pub­lic fed­er­al con­tract­ing records that could prove to be extreme­ly use­ful for Musk’s com­pa­nies when it comes to procur­ing more gov­ern­ment con­tracts. Was any of that non­pub­lic data used to help Musk’s xAI secure that $200 mil­lion Pen­ta­gon con­tract? We’ll pre­sum­ably nev­er know, but some­thing allowed Musk’s xAI to secure that Pen­ta­gon con­tract despite the fact that Trump and Musk have been pub­licly at war with each oth­er for weeks now. The bro-mance died, and yet Musk’s influ­ence does­n’t seem to be wan­ing. Why is that? Could the incred­i­ble DOGE data theft — and all of the lever­age that comes with it — be part of the answer?:

    Reuters

    Exclu­sive: Musk’s DOGE expand­ing his Grok AI in US gov­ern­ment, rais­ing con­flict con­cerns

    By Marisa Tay­lor and Alexan­dra Ulmer
    May 23, 2025 12:55 PM CDT
    Updat­ed May 23, 2025

    Sum­ma­ry
    * Grok AI use rais­es pri­va­cy and con­flict-of-inter­est con­cerns
    * DOGE team alleged­ly push­es Grok at DHS with­out approval
    * Experts warn of poten­tial unfair advan­tage for Musk’s xAI in fed­er­al con­tracts

    May 23 (Reuters) — Bil­lion­aire Elon Musk’s DOGE team is expand­ing use of his arti­fi­cial intel­li­gence chat­bot Grok in the U.S. fed­er­al gov­ern­ment to ana­lyze data, said three peo­ple famil­iar with the mat­ter, poten­tial­ly vio­lat­ing con­flict-of-inter­est laws and putting at risk sen­si­tive infor­ma­tion on mil­lions of Amer­i­cans.

    Such use of Grok could rein­force con­cerns among pri­va­cy advo­cates and oth­ers that Musk’s Depart­ment of Gov­ern­ment Effi­cien­cy team appears to be cast­ing aside long-estab­lished pro­tec­tions over the han­dling of sen­si­tive data as Pres­i­dent Don­ald Trump shakes up the U.S. bureau­cra­cy.

    One of the three peo­ple famil­iar with the mat­ter, who has knowl­edge of DOGE’s activ­i­ties, said Musk’s team was using a cus­tomized ver­sion of the Grok chat­bot. The appar­ent aim was for DOGE to sift through data more effi­cient­ly, this per­son said. “They ask ques­tions, get it to pre­pare reports, give data analy­sis.”

    The sec­ond and third per­son said DOGE staff also told Depart­ment of Home­land Secu­ri­ty offi­cials to use it even though Grok had not been approved with­in the depart­ment.

    ...

    If the data was sen­si­tive or con­fi­den­tial gov­ern­ment infor­ma­tion, the arrange­ment could vio­late secu­ri­ty and pri­va­cy laws, said five spe­cial­ists in tech­nol­o­gy and gov­ern­ment ethics.

    It could also give the Tes­la and SpaceX CEO access to valu­able non­pub­lic fed­er­al con­tract­ing data at agen­cies he pri­vate­ly does busi­ness with or be used to help train Grok, a process in which AI mod­els ana­lyze troves of data, the experts said. Musk could also gain an unfair com­pet­i­tive advan­tage over oth­er AI ser­vice providers from use of Grok in the fed­er­al gov­ern­ment, they added.

    ...

    Musk’s xAI, an indus­try new­com­er com­pared to rivals Ope­nAI and Anthrop­ic, says on its web­site that it may mon­i­tor Grok users for “spe­cif­ic busi­ness pur­pos­es.” “AI’s knowl­edge should be all-encom­pass­ing and as far-reach­ing as pos­si­ble,” the web­site says.

    As part of Musk’s stat­ed push to elim­i­nate gov­ern­ment waste and inef­fi­cien­cy, the bil­lion­aire and his DOGE team have accessed heav­i­ly safe­guard­ed fed­er­al data­bas­es that store per­son­al infor­ma­tion on mil­lions of Amer­i­cans. Experts said that data is typ­i­cal­ly off lim­its to all but a hand­ful of offi­cials because of the risk that it could be sold, lost, leaked, vio­late the pri­va­cy of Amer­i­cans or expose the coun­try to secu­ri­ty threats.

    ...

    “Giv­en the scale of data that DOGE has amassed and giv­en the numer­ous con­cerns of port­ing that data into soft­ware like Grok, this to me is about as seri­ous a pri­va­cy threat as you get,” said Albert Fox Cahn, exec­u­tive direc­tor of the Sur­veil­lance Tech­nol­o­gy Over­sight Project, a non­prof­it that advo­cates for pri­va­cy.

    His con­cerns include the risk that gov­ern­ment data will leak back to xAI, a pri­vate com­pa­ny, and a lack of clar­i­ty over who has access to this cus­tom ver­sion of Grok.

    DOGE’s access to fed­er­al infor­ma­tion could give Grok and xAI an edge over oth­er poten­tial AI con­trac­tors look­ing to pro­vide gov­ern­ment ser­vices, said Cary Coglianese, an expert on fed­er­al reg­u­la­tions and ethics at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Penn­syl­va­nia. “The com­pa­ny has a finan­cial inter­est in insist­ing that their prod­uct be used by fed­er­al employ­ees,” he said.

    “APPEARANCE OF SELF-DEALING”

    In addi­tion to using Grok for its own analy­sis of gov­ern­ment data, DOGE staff told DHS offi­cials over the last two months to use Grok even though it had not been approved for use at the sprawl­ing agency, said the sec­ond and third per­son. DHS over­sees bor­der secu­ri­ty, immi­gra­tion enforce­ment, cyber­se­cu­ri­ty and oth­er sen­si­tive nation­al secu­ri­ty func­tions.

    If fed­er­al employ­ees are offi­cial­ly giv­en access to Grok for such use, the fed­er­al gov­ern­ment has to pay Musk’s orga­ni­za­tion for access, the peo­ple said.

    “They were push­ing it to be used across the depart­ment,” said one of the peo­ple.

    ...

    DHS, under the pre­vi­ous Biden admin­is­tra­tion, cre­at­ed poli­cies last year allow­ing its staff to use spe­cif­ic AI plat­forms, includ­ing OpenAI’s Chat­G­PT, the Claude chat­bot devel­oped by Anthrop­ic and anoth­er AI tool devel­oped by Gram­marly. DHS also cre­at­ed an inter­nal DHS chat­bot.

    The aim was to make DHS among the first fed­er­al agen­cies to embrace the tech­nol­o­gy and use gen­er­a­tive AI, which can write research reports and car­ry out oth­er com­plex tasks in response to prompts. Under the pol­i­cy, staff could use the com­mer­cial bots for non-sen­si­tive, non-con­fi­den­tial data, while DHS’s inter­nal bot could be fed more sen­si­tive data, records post­ed on DHS’s web­site show.

    In May, DHS offi­cials abrupt­ly shut down employ­ee access to all com­mer­cial AI tools – includ­ing Chat­G­PT – after work­ers were sus­pect­ed of improp­er­ly using them with sen­si­tive data, said the sec­ond and third sources. Instead, staff can still use the inter­nal DHS AI tool. Reuters could not deter­mine whether this pre­vent­ed DOGE from pro­mot­ing Grok at DHS.

    ...

    If Musk was direct­ly involved in deci­sions to use Grok, it could vio­late a crim­i­nal con­flict-of-inter­est statute which bars offi­cials — includ­ing spe­cial gov­ern­ment employ­ees — from par­tic­i­pat­ing in mat­ters that could ben­e­fit them finan­cial­ly, said Richard Painter, ethics coun­sel to for­mer Repub­li­can Pres­i­dent George W. Bush and a Uni­ver­si­ty of Min­neso­ta pro­fes­sor.

    “This gives the appear­ance that DOGE is pres­sur­ing agen­cies to use soft­ware to enrich Musk and xAI, and not to the ben­e­fit of the Amer­i­can peo­ple,” said Painter. The statute is rarely pros­e­cut­ed but can result in fines or jail time.

    If DOGE staffers were push­ing Grok’s use with­out Musk’s involve­ment, for instance to ingra­ti­ate them­selves with the bil­lion­aire, that would be eth­i­cal­ly prob­lem­at­ic but not a vio­la­tion of the con­flict-of-inter­est statute, said Painter. “We can’t pros­e­cute it, but it would be the job of the White House to pre­vent it. It gives the appear­ance of self-deal­ing.”

    The push to use Grok coin­cides with a larg­er DOGE effort led by two staffers on Musk’s team, Kyle Schutt and Edward Coris­tine, to use AI in the fed­er­al bureau­cra­cy, said two oth­er peo­ple famil­iar with DOGE’s oper­a­tions. Coris­tine, a 19-year-old who has used the online moniker “Big Balls,” is one of DOGE’s high­est-pro­file mem­bers.

    ...

    DOGE staffers have attempt­ed to gain access to DHS employ­ee emails in recent months and ordered staff to train AI to iden­ti­fy com­mu­ni­ca­tions sug­gest­ing an employ­ee is not “loy­al” to Trump’s polit­i­cal agen­da, the two sources said. Reuters could not estab­lish whether Grok was used for such sur­veil­lance.

    In the last few weeks, a group of rough­ly a dozen work­ers at a Depart­ment of Defense agency were told by a super­vi­sor that an algo­rith­mic tool was mon­i­tor­ing some of their com­put­er activ­i­ty, accord­ing to two addi­tion­al peo­ple briefed on the con­ver­sa­tions.

    Reuters also reviewed two sep­a­rate text mes­sage exchanges by peo­ple who were direct­ly involved in the con­ver­sa­tions. The sources asked that the spe­cif­ic agency not be named out of con­cern over poten­tial ret­ri­bu­tion. They were not aware of what tool was being used.

    Using AI to iden­ti­fy the per­son­al polit­i­cal beliefs of employ­ees could vio­late civ­il ser­vice laws aimed at shield­ing career civ­il ser­vants from polit­i­cal inter­fer­ence, said Coglianese, the expert on fed­er­al reg­u­la­tions and ethics at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Penn­syl­va­nia.

    In a state­ment to Reuters, the Depart­ment of Defense said the department’s DOGE team had not been involved in any net­work mon­i­tor­ing nor had DOGE been “direct­ed” to use any AI tools, includ­ing Grok. “It’s impor­tant to note that all gov­ern­ment com­put­ers are inher­ent­ly sub­ject to mon­i­tor­ing as part of the stan­dard user agree­ment,” said Kings­ley Wil­son, a Pen­ta­gon spokesper­son.

    ...

    ————

    “Exclu­sive: Musk’s DOGE expand­ing his Grok AI in US gov­ern­ment, rais­ing con­flict con­cerns” By Marisa Tay­lor and Alexan­dra Ulmer; Reuters; 05/23/2025

    “As part of Musk’s stat­ed push to elim­i­nate gov­ern­ment waste and inef­fi­cien­cy, the bil­lion­aire and his DOGE team have accessed heav­i­ly safe­guard­ed fed­er­al data­bas­es that store per­son­al infor­ma­tion on mil­lions of Amer­i­cans. Experts said that data is typ­i­cal­ly off lim­its to all but a hand­ful of offi­cials because of the risk that it could be sold, lost, leaked, vio­late the pri­va­cy of Amer­i­cans or expose the coun­try to secu­ri­ty threats.”

    A mas­sive inges­tion of some of the fed­er­al gov­ern­men­t’s most sen­si­tive data­bas­es on mil­lions of Amer­i­cans direct­ly into Grok. That’s the sce­nario described by the anony­mous sources behind this report from back in May. But it’s not just this mass inges­tion of sen­si­tive data. It’s the fact that DOGE has appar­ent­ly been telling fed­er­al employ­ees to use Grok even though it’s nev­er been approved for that kind of work. This is like a hos­tile takeover of the fed­er­al bureau­cra­cy. Or as one pri­va­cy expert put it, “Giv­en the scale of data that DOGE has amassed and giv­en the numer­ous con­cerns of port­ing that data into soft­ware like Grok, this to me is about as seri­ous a pri­va­cy threat as you get”:

    ...
    One of the three peo­ple famil­iar with the mat­ter, who has knowl­edge of DOGE’s activ­i­ties, said Musk’s team was using a cus­tomized ver­sion of the Grok chat­bot. The appar­ent aim was for DOGE to sift through data more effi­cient­ly, this per­son said. “They ask ques­tions, get it to pre­pare reports, give data analy­sis.”

    The sec­ond and third per­son said DOGE staff also told Depart­ment of Home­land Secu­ri­ty offi­cials to use it even though Grok had not been approved with­in the depart­ment.

    ...

    If the data was sen­si­tive or con­fi­den­tial gov­ern­ment infor­ma­tion, the arrange­ment could vio­late secu­ri­ty and pri­va­cy laws, said five spe­cial­ists in tech­nol­o­gy and gov­ern­ment ethics.

    ...

    “Giv­en the scale of data that DOGE has amassed and giv­en the numer­ous con­cerns of port­ing that data into soft­ware like Grok, this to me is about as seri­ous a pri­va­cy threat as you get,” said Albert Fox Cahn, exec­u­tive direc­tor of the Sur­veil­lance Tech­nol­o­gy Over­sight Project, a non­prof­it that advo­cates for pri­va­cy.

    His con­cerns include the risk that gov­ern­ment data will leak back to xAI, a pri­vate com­pa­ny, and a lack of clar­i­ty over who has access to this cus­tom ver­sion of Grok.

    ...

    In addi­tion to using Grok for its own analy­sis of gov­ern­ment data, DOGE staff told DHS offi­cials over the last two months to use Grok even though it had not been approved for use at the sprawl­ing agency, said the sec­ond and third per­son. DHS over­sees bor­der secu­ri­ty, immi­gra­tion enforce­ment, cyber­se­cu­ri­ty and oth­er sen­si­tive nation­al secu­ri­ty func­tions.
    ...

    And then there’s the implic­it unfair com­pet­i­tive advan­tage xAI gained over its AI rivals. An advan­tage gained both by push­ing Grok on fed­er­al employ­ees but also gained from get­ting access to valu­able non­pub­lic fed­er­al con­tract­ing data. Which rais­es the ques­tion: what kind of role did access to that con­tract­ing data play in xAI’s suc­cess­ful bid for that $200 mil­lion Pen­ta­gon con­tract?

    ...
    It could also give the Tes­la and SpaceX CEO access to valu­able non­pub­lic fed­er­al con­tract­ing data at agen­cies he pri­vate­ly does busi­ness with or be used to help train Grok, a process in which AI mod­els ana­lyze troves of data, the experts said. Musk could also gain an unfair com­pet­i­tive advan­tage over oth­er AI ser­vice providers from use of Grok in the fed­er­al gov­ern­ment, they added.

    ...

    DOGE’s access to fed­er­al infor­ma­tion could give Grok and xAI an edge over oth­er poten­tial AI con­trac­tors look­ing to pro­vide gov­ern­ment ser­vices, said Cary Coglianese, an expert on fed­er­al reg­u­la­tions and ethics at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Penn­syl­va­nia. “The com­pa­ny has a finan­cial inter­est in insist­ing that their prod­uct be used by fed­er­al employ­ees,” he said.

    ...

    If fed­er­al employ­ees are offi­cial­ly giv­en access to Grok for such use, the fed­er­al gov­ern­ment has to pay Musk’s orga­ni­za­tion for access, the peo­ple said.

    “They were push­ing it to be used across the depart­ment,” said one of the peo­ple.

    ...

    If Musk was direct­ly involved in deci­sions to use Grok, it could vio­late a crim­i­nal con­flict-of-inter­est statute which bars offi­cials — includ­ing spe­cial gov­ern­ment employ­ees — from par­tic­i­pat­ing in mat­ters that could ben­e­fit them finan­cial­ly, said Richard Painter, ethics coun­sel to for­mer Repub­li­can Pres­i­dent George W. Bush and a Uni­ver­si­ty of Min­neso­ta pro­fes­sor.

    “This gives the appear­ance that DOGE is pres­sur­ing agen­cies to use soft­ware to enrich Musk and xAI, and not to the ben­e­fit of the Amer­i­can peo­ple,” said Painter. The statute is rarely pros­e­cut­ed but can result in fines or jail time.

    If DOGE staffers were push­ing Grok’s use with­out Musk’s involve­ment, for instance to ingra­ti­ate them­selves with the bil­lion­aire, that would be eth­i­cal­ly prob­lem­at­ic but not a vio­la­tion of the con­flict-of-inter­est statute, said Painter. “We can’t pros­e­cute it, but it would be the job of the White House to pre­vent it. It gives the appear­ance of self-deal­ing.”

    The push to use Grok coin­cides with a larg­er DOGE effort led by two staffers on Musk’s team, Kyle Schutt and Edward Coris­tine, to use AI in the fed­er­al bureau­cra­cy, said two oth­er peo­ple famil­iar with DOGE’s oper­a­tions. Coris­tine, a 19-year-old who has used the online moniker “Big Balls,” is one of DOGE’s high­est-pro­file mem­bers.
    ...

    And note how DHS found itself forced to shut off access to all com­mer­cial AI tools back in May after work­ers were sus­pect­ed of improp­er­ly using them with sen­si­tive data. And yet, Reuters was­n’t able to con­firm whether or not this order includ­ed Grok. So it sounds like it’s pos­si­ble fed­er­al work­ers have been cut off from using every­thing but Grok over the past cou­ple of months:

    ...
    DHS, under the pre­vi­ous Biden admin­is­tra­tion, cre­at­ed poli­cies last year allow­ing its staff to use spe­cif­ic AI plat­forms, includ­ing OpenAI’s Chat­G­PT, the Claude chat­bot devel­oped by Anthrop­ic and anoth­er AI tool devel­oped by Gram­marly. DHS also cre­at­ed an inter­nal DHS chat­bot.

    The aim was to make DHS among the first fed­er­al agen­cies to embrace the tech­nol­o­gy and use gen­er­a­tive AI, which can write research reports and car­ry out oth­er com­plex tasks in response to prompts. Under the pol­i­cy, staff could use the com­mer­cial bots for non-sen­si­tive, non-con­fi­den­tial data, while DHS’s inter­nal bot could be fed more sen­si­tive data, records post­ed on DHS’s web­site show.

    In May, DHS offi­cials abrupt­ly shut down employ­ee access to all com­mer­cial AI tools – includ­ing Chat­G­PT – after work­ers were sus­pect­ed of improp­er­ly using them with sen­si­tive data, said the sec­ond and third sources. Instead, staff can still use the inter­nal DHS AI tool. Reuters could not deter­mine whether this pre­vent­ed DOGE from pro­mot­ing Grok at DHS.
    ...

    And then we get to the Orwellian update on how DOGE was using DHS employ­ee emails: the emails were being fed into AI to iden­ti­ty com­mu­ni­ca­tions sug­gest­ing an employ­ee is not “loy­al” to Pres­i­dent Trump’s polit­i­cal agen­da, a vio­la­tion of civ­il ser­vice law. And look who the DoD trot­ted out to defend the depart­ment against charges that DOGE was con­duct­ing AI-dri­ven loy­al­ty tests: Pen­ta­gon spokesper­son Kings­ley Wil­son assured Reuters that the DoD’s DOGE team had not been involved in any net­work mon­i­tor­ing nor had DOGE been “direct­ed” to use any AI tools, includ­ing Grok. Keep in mind that we were told that DOGE staffers attempt­ed to gain access to DHS employ­ee emails, NOT DoD employ­ee emails. So Wil­son was sort of engaged a non-denial denial when they assured us that no DoD DOGE mem­bers were involved with the mon­i­tor­ing of employ­ee activ­i­ty. But also keep in mind how Kings­ley Wil­son hap­pens to be the DoD spokesper­son who was pre­vi­ous­ly crit­i­cised by Jew­ish civ­il rights groups for shar­ing anti­se­mit­ic con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries on social media, includ­ing ref­er­ences to the “great replace­ment the­o­ry” and the lynch­ing of Leo Frank in 1915. She was also pro­mot­ed to the role of Pen­ta­gon Press Sec­re­tary days after this Reuters report:

    ...
    DOGE staffers have attempt­ed to gain access to DHS employ­ee emails in recent months and ordered staff to train AI to iden­ti­fy com­mu­ni­ca­tions sug­gest­ing an employ­ee is not “loy­al” to Trump’s polit­i­cal agen­da, the two sources said. Reuters could not estab­lish whether Grok was used for such sur­veil­lance.

    In the last few weeks, a group of rough­ly a dozen work­ers at a Depart­ment of Defense agency were told by a super­vi­sor that an algo­rith­mic tool was mon­i­tor­ing some of their com­put­er activ­i­ty, accord­ing to two addi­tion­al peo­ple briefed on the con­ver­sa­tions.

    Reuters also reviewed two sep­a­rate text mes­sage exchanges by peo­ple who were direct­ly involved in the con­ver­sa­tions. The sources asked that the spe­cif­ic agency not be named out of con­cern over poten­tial ret­ri­bu­tion. They were not aware of what tool was being used.

    Using AI to iden­ti­fy the per­son­al polit­i­cal beliefs of employ­ees could vio­late civ­il ser­vice laws aimed at shield­ing career civ­il ser­vants from polit­i­cal inter­fer­ence, said Coglianese, the expert on fed­er­al reg­u­la­tions and ethics at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Penn­syl­va­nia.

    In a state­ment to Reuters, the Depart­ment of Defense said the department’s DOGE team had not been involved in any net­work mon­i­tor­ing nor had DOGE been “direct­ed” to use any AI tools, includ­ing Grok. “It’s impor­tant to note that all gov­ern­ment com­put­ers are inher­ent­ly sub­ject to mon­i­tor­ing as part of the stan­dard user agree­ment,” said Kings­ley Wil­son, a Pen­ta­gon spokesper­son.
    ...

    And those plans to use Grok to sur­veil fed­er­al employ­ees for their polit­i­cal loy­al­ty brings us to fol­low­ing by Thomas Neuburg­er about what could be con­sid­ered a next-gen­er­a­tion dig­i­tal Epstein-like black­mail oper­a­tion. A pop­u­la­tion-wide black­mail oper­a­tion that could be seen as an appli­ca­tion of the ‘data­base of ruin’: Data­bas­es built for use by police that track not just things like med­ical con­di­tions but also reli­gious and polit­i­cal beliefs as well as sex life details. All set to be man­aged on behalf of the gov­ern­ment by pri­vate enti­ties like Palan­tir. It’s not a hypo­thet­i­cal future pos­si­bil­i­ty. The UK has already hired Palan­tir to build exact­ly that kind of sys­tem to be deployed and used against the pop­u­lace. It’s called “Project Nec­tar”:

    God’s Spies

    Project Nec­tar: Anoth­er Palan­tir Spe­cial

    A hon­ey-filled data­base. What could that be used for?

    Thomas Neuburg­er
    Jul 16, 2025

    “Per­haps more than any oth­er nation, the Unit­ed States hero-wor­ships the men and women serv­ing in its secu­ri­ty and armed ser­vices.”—Jan Dehn, “The ene­my with­in

    “What is being run right now is a vast exper­i­ment to see if mod­ern tech­nol­o­gy has fixed these prob­lems [of cost] with sur­veil­lance and oppres­sive states. Is [tech­nol­o­gy] cheap enough to go full Stasi…? The oli­garchs are bet­ting that the tech­nol­o­gy has made that change.”—Ian Welsh, “The Log­ic of the Sur­veil­lance State

    It’s hard to write too much about what’s hap­pened, and hap­pen­ing, with the Nation­al Secu­ri­ty State. How­ev­er much you say, there’s much more to tell that’s just too vital to ignore.

    Past Sins

    In the past, of course, the secu­ri­ty state has sub­ject­ed us to inci­dents like this:

    Deathbed Con­fes­sion Reveals FBI and NYPD Respon­si­ble for Mal­colm X Assas­si­na­tion
    Thomas Neuburg­er · March 9, 2021

    Dying dec­la­ra­tions (“deathbed con­fes­sions”) are nor­mal­ly val­ued by police inves­ti­ga­tors, assum­ing they care about the crime in ques­tion.

    Or con­sid­er this casu­al, throw­away com­ment by Tuck­er Carl­son dur­ing his recent Epstein rant:

    I’ve spent my entire life pret­ty much in Wash­ing­ton where I knew and loved a num­ber of peo­ple, includ­ing one very close per­son, who worked at CIA. That has nev­er pro­hib­it­ed me from say­ing, I think the CIA has done some hor­ri­ble things. Mur­dered a bunch of peo­ple, par­tic­i­pat­ed in the mur­der of a sit­ting U.S. pres­i­dent. It’s got a whole trail of crimes. That doesn’t make me a dis­loy­al Amer­i­can. It doesn’t make me anti-Amer­i­can in any sense. I was born here. My family’s been here for hun­dreds of years. I love this coun­try. That’s why I live here.

    Not proof, of course, but the state­ment about, obvi­ous­ly, John F. Kennedy’s mur­der is not even the main point of the remark. His point is some­thing like “Though the CIA has done hor­ri­ble things, I love my coun­try and my CIA friends.”

    This com­ment, thrown like an after­thought, sug­gests that “every­one I know” thinks this, in the same way that “every­one I know” thinks Jef­frey Epstein is an Israeli spy and asset. He says just this lat­er in the speech (empha­sis mine):

    You [Jef­frey Epstein] have the for­mer Israeli prime min­is­ter liv­ing in your house. You have all this con­tact with the for­eign gov­ern­ment. Were you work­ing on behalf of Mossad? Were you run­ning a black­mail oper­a­tion on behalf of a for­eign gov­ern­ment? By the way, every sin­gle per­son in Wash­ing­ton, D.C. thinks that. I’ve nev­er met any­one who doesn’t think that.

    “By the way” … anoth­er throw­away line about a wide­ly under­stood crime.

    Present Crimes

    As I said above, offens­es by the Nation­al Secu­ri­ty State against cit­i­zens it was cre­at­ed to pro­tect and serve, are spread­ing through­out the West; and they’re not just past, but present. Let’s look at just one offense, com­ing I’m sure to a secu­ri­ty-soaked nation near you.

    Bed­ford in the UK is a decent small­ish town. Its pop­u­la­tion is about 200,000. It sits north of Lon­don, west of Cam­bridge and halfway between Lon­don and Birm­ing­ham. Very British in the new cos­mopoli­tan sense. Diverse; noth­ing ter­ri­bly spe­cial; noth­ing ter­ri­bly notable, save to its res­i­dents, who may hap­pi­ly love it to death.

    Except Bed­ford now is a test­ing ground for a new Palan­tir pro­gram called “Nec­tar” (remem­ber that name). From the Bed­ford local paper:

    Bed­ford­shire Police using AI tool to pro­file polit­i­cal views, sex life, race and health data

    Got your atten­tion? Read on.

    Bed­ford­shire Police is pilot­ing a con­tro­ver­sial AI-pow­ered data sys­tem that can access high­ly sen­si­tive infor­ma­tion about indi­vid­u­als, includ­ing their race, polit­i­cal views, sex life and health, accord­ing to an inves­ti­ga­tion by Lib­er­ty Inves­ti­gates and The i paper.

    The sys­tem, named Nec­tar, has been devel­oped in col­lab­o­ra­tion with Palan­tir Tech­nolo­gies, a US tech giant co-found­ed by Peter Thiel, a donor to Don­ald Trump and close advi­sor dur­ing his first term as US pres­i­dent.

    From the ref­er­enced i Paper report:

    British police forces have signed con­tracts with a con­tro­ver­sial US tech giant to buy AI-pow­ered soft­ware that uses data about an individual’s race, sex life, health and polit­i­cal beliefs, it can be revealed.

    An inter­nal police memo obtained by The i Paper and Lib­er­ty Inves­ti­gates con­firms an inten­tion to “nation­al­ly” apply the “Nec­tar” intel­li­gence sys­tem, cur­rent­ly deployed as a pilot by the Bed­ford­shire force after being devel­oped with Sil­i­con Val­ley data analy­sis group Palan­tir Tech­nolo­gies.

    The doc­u­ment, obtained under free­dom of infor­ma­tion rules, shows how the Palan­tir sys­tem is designed to bring togeth­er dozens of exist­ing law enforce­ment data­bas­es into a sin­gle com­put­ing plat­form to draw up detailed pro­files of sus­pects, as well as col­late infor­ma­tion on vic­tims of crime, wit­ness­es, and vul­ner­a­ble indi­vid­u­als includ­ing chil­dren.

    The 34-page brief­ing, which deals with data pro­tec­tion issues relat­ed to Nec­tar and Bed­ford­shire Police, makes clear the ambi­tion of senior offi­cers for the sys­tem to be used across polic­ing, includ­ing in the fight against seri­ous organ­ised crime.

    It states: “The pri­ma­ry goal is to help Bed­ford­shire… as well as the East­ern Region Seri­ous Organ­ised Crime Unit… and even­tu­al­ly apply [Nec­tar] nation­al­ly. This will devel­op tools to bet­ter pro­tect vul­ner­a­ble peo­ple by pre­vent­ing, detect­ing and inves­ti­gat­ing crime.”

    Project ‘Nec­tar’

    Which brings us back to Epstein and his wide­ly assumed black­mail oper­a­tion. (Carl­son again: “I’ve nev­er met any­one who doesn’t think that.”) What else do you think a mas­sive data­base of “polit­i­cal views, sex life, race and health data” could be used for domes­ti­cal­ly — except to silence dis­sent and black­mail com­pli­ance?

    ...

    ———-

    “Project Nec­tar: Anoth­er Palan­tir Spe­cial” by Thomas Neuburg­er; God’s Spies; 07/1/2025

    “Which brings us back to Epstein and his wide­ly assumed black­mail oper­a­tion. (Carl­son again: “I’ve nev­er met any­one who doesn’t think that.”) What else do you think a mas­sive data­base of “polit­i­cal views, sex life, race and health data” could be used for domes­ti­cal­ly — except to silence dis­sent and black­mail com­pli­ance?

    Yeah, what else are we to call Project Nec­tar? Because that sure sounds like a data­base designed to min­i­mize dis­sent. An AI-super-Epstein for the UK, although hope­ful­ly with less child abuse. But the black­mail poten­tial will still be there. All man­aged by Palan­tir. Again, don’t for­get that Palan­tir’s Lon­don offices are head­ed by the grand­son of Oswald Mose­ly. What are the odds this sys­tem does­n’t get abused? It’s the kind of sto­ry that does­n’t bode well for the UK pop­u­lace, espe­cial­ly those in the UK who have a his­to­ry of vocal oppo­si­tion to Palan­tir. But it does bode extreme­ly Palan­tir’s future gov­ern­ment con­tracts. Noth­ing gives you a com­pet­i­tive edge quite like hav­ing lever­age on every­one.

    And yet, Palan­tir isn’t alone in the ‘data­base or ruin’ game. It has plen­ty of fas­cist com­pe­ti­tion as Musk’s xAI makes clear. Or per­haps fas­cist help. It’s not yet clear how hav­ing mul­ti­ple enti­ties with ‘data­base or ruin’ priv­i­leges will play out as con­trol is con­sol­i­dat­ed. We just know the pub­lic is going to lose big time. As per usu­al.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | July 22, 2025, 9:24 pm
  6. It’s not going away. Fes­ter­ing appears to be the only avail­able option for a Trump admin­is­tra­tion embroiled in an Epstein sto­ry that refus­es to leave the pub­lic stage. Fes­ter­ing and evolv­ing as more infor­ma­tion becomes avail­able. Which brings us to the very inter­est­ing sto­ry about 15 to 16 hours of inter­views of Jef­frey Epstein in Steve Ban­non pos­ses­sion. Inter­views Ban­non him­self con­duct­ed back in 2018 and that grow­ing num­ber of peo­ple are now demand­ing Ban­non release to the pub­lic.

    One of those indi­vid­u­als loud­ly demand­ing a release of the Epstein inter­views is Epstein’s broth­er, Mark Epstein. As we’ve seen, Mark has long been crit­i­cal of the offi­cial inves­ti­ga­tion and con­clu­sions into his broth­er’s death, recent­ly call­ing the DOJ’s ‘it was sui­cide’ con­clu­sion “laugh­ably stu­pid”. But part of what makes this new sto­ry about the Ban­non inter­view tapes so intrigu­ing is that Mark claims Ban­non ini­tial­ly con­duct­ed the inter­views as part of a rep­u­ta­tion wash­ing project on behalf of Epstein. Yep, Ban­non was out to help Epstein reha­bil­i­tate his pub­lic rep­u­ta­tion. That was the project under­way in 2018. Of course, it was in late Novem­ber of 2018 when the Mia­mi Her­ald start­ed its block­buster report­ing that soon led to Epstein’s arrest and jail­ing. So if Mark Epstein’s claims are true, it would appear Ban­non was engaged in an Epstein-rep­u­ta­tion-wash­ing endeav­or until such an endeav­or became impos­si­ble. Today, Ban­non assures the pub­lic that he will be releas­ing a doc­u­men­tary based on the inter­views some time next year.

    But part of what makes the rep­u­ta­tion-wash­ing alle­ga­tion around Ban­non and Epstein so intrigu­ing is this is not the first time we’ve seen sto­ries along these lines. First, recall that very intrigu­ing 2019 NY Times piece by jour­nal­ist James B. Stew­art about inter­view­ing Epstein in August of 2018. The title of the piece was “The Day Jef­frey Epstein Told Me He Had Dirt on Pow­er­ful Peo­ple”. And not only did Epstein seem to con­firm that he had been secret­ly hired by Elon Musk to con­sult­ing in find­ing a poten­tial Musk replace­ment at the head of Tes­la, but Stew­art claimed that he was lat­er invit­ed to have din­ner with Epstein. He declined the invi­ta­tion, but was told there would have been two oth­er com­pan­ions at that din­ner: jour­nal­ist Michael Wolfe and Steve Ban­non.

    But that anec­dote by James B. Stew­art isn’t the only time we’ve heard about Ban­non’s seem­ing­ly close rela­tion­ship with Epstein. Recall how Ban­non was con­vinced Epstein was an intel­li­gence asset and even report­ed­ly became inter­est­ed in Epstein as a source for intel­li­gence after he was kicked out of the Nation­al Secu­ri­ty Coun­cil dur­ing Trump’s first term. Ban­non was also a fre­quent vis­i­tor to Epstein’s Man­hat­tan estate. Far right activist Charles John­son even claimed he was invit­ed by Ban­non to meet­ing Epstein. While John­son says he turned down the invi­ta­tion, he also stat­ed “What I was told about that meet­ing by peo­ple close to Ban­non was that he was try­ing to replace Epstein as a source for infor­ma­tion from var­i­ous intel­li­gence net­works. He saw Epstein as a rival or a part­ner but he want­ed what Epstein had.” And anoth­er bil­lion­aire Ban­non was hang­ing out with at the time, Guo Wen­gui, alleged­ly used pros­ti­tutes and hid­den cam­eras to com­pro­mise pow­er­ful fig­ures as a means of clout and con­trol accord­ing to law­suit. Yes, for all of the tur­moil Pres­i­dent Trump has been expe­ri­enc­ing over alle­ga­tions like Epstein’s asser­tion that he was Trump’s clos­est friend for a decade, it appears Steve Ban­non real­ly had been one of Epstein’s clos­est asso­ciates over the past decade, in part out of a desire to replace Epstein as a mas­ter of elite black­mail. That’s all part of the con­text of Mark Epstein’s ‘rep­u­ta­tion wash­ing’ alle­ga­tion.

    And with the Trump admin­is­tra­tion report­ed­ly now con­sid­er­ing some sort of spe­cial sweet­heart deal for Ghis­laine Maxwell in exchange for a tes­ti­mo­ny that pre­sum­ably removes sus­pi­cions from Trump, this is also a good time to keep in mind the rep­u­ta­tion wash­ing exer­cise Maxwell was seem­ing­ly engaged in back in 2012. That would be the Ter­ra­Mar Project, a char­i­ty osten­si­bly focused on rais­ing pub­lic aware­ness of ocean­ic ecosys­tems. Recall how Dr. Nathan Wolfe, a founder of Metabio­ta, was one of the promi­nent sci­en­tists invit­ed to help launch The Ter­ra­Mar Project. It was wide­ly seen as a kind of ‘rep­u­ta­tion wash­ing’ exer­cise for Maxwell fol­low­ing the pub­lic report­ing on Epstein’s sex traf­fick­ing. And yet Google even debuted its Google Ocean project at the launch event. Google’s involve­ment was espe­cial­ly inter­est­ing to see in this mix because, in addi­tion to Google being one of the ear­ly pri­vate fun­ders of the Metabio­ta ini­tia­tive, Sergey Brin and Lar­ry Page were involved with the net­work of sci­en­tif­ic lumi­nar­ies fig­ures around John Brock­man and the Edge Foun­da­tion. Brock­man hap­pened to be Epstein’s main con­tact with the sci­en­tif­ic aca­d­e­m­ic com­mu­ni­ty. And as we should per­haps expectWolfe was also an Edge Foun­da­tion mem­ber. Ghis­laine Maxwell had some pret­ty notable help when it came to her own rep­u­ta­tion wash­ing in the wake of the ini­tial Epstein sex-traf­fick­ing alle­ga­tions.

    Will Mark Epstein suc­ceed in get­ting all of the inter­view video footage released? We’ll see, but if it real­ly was intend­ed to be a rep­u­ta­tion wash­ing exer­cise like he asserts, odds are Ban­non isn’t going to be super keen on reveal­ing all of the footage. At least not the parts that were intend­ed to put Epstein in a pos­i­tive light.

    At the same time, giv­en the evi­dence point­ing towards Ban­non’s aspi­ra­tions to become a kind of new Epstein, we have to ask: did he suc­ceed at all? Like what did Steve Ban­non learn from Epstein about the art of elite black­mail? Was he ever privy to the black­mail evi­dence Epstein pos­sessed? We have no idea.

    But let’s keep in mind that all of the evi­dence that Ban­non was con­vinced Epstein was an intel­li­gence asset who pos­sessed elite black­mail mate­r­i­al dou­bles as fur­ther cir­cum­stan­tial evi­dence around the ongo­ing mys­ter­ies sur­round­ing Epstein’s death. Recall how Mark Epstein want­ed to file a wrong­ful death law­suit but the execu­tors of Epstein’s estate blocked it. Epstein felt like it would be a “slam dunk” case. As we’ve seen, the execu­tors of that estate have been left with hun­dreds of mil­lions of dol­lars in assets to be used at their dis­cre­tion in keep­ing with a will Epstein craft­ed just days before his death. And the only rea­son so much mon­ey is left to the estate is the deci­sion of fed­er­al pros­e­cu­tors to NOT fur­ther pur­sue those assets on behalf of Epstein’s vic­tims. The more Epstein’s death looks like a gov­ern­ment coverup, the more we need to ask: so what role is Steve Ban­non play­ing in the con­tem­po­rary game of elite black­mail? Ban­non is kind of the clos­est thing we have to a direct Epstein suc­ces­sor at this point.

    In fact, as Mark Epstein recent­ly stat­ed, he was told by his broth­er back in 2016 that if he went pub­lic with what he knew about Don­ald Trump they would have to can­cel the elec­tion. Mark claims that’s a direct quote. And the guy with that lev­el of black­mail mate­r­i­al on him ascend­ed to the pres­i­den­cy. And got reelect­ed even after Epstein mys­te­ri­ous­ly died in a fed­er­al prison under his watch.

    Also recall how, when Mark Epstein first start­ed going pub­lic back in March of 2023 with his con­cerns about the offi­cial inves­ti­ga­tion into his broth­er’s death, one of the mys­ter­ies at that time was why the Depart­ment of Jus­tice’s Office of Inspec­tor Gen­er­al (OIG) report on the inves­ti­ga­tion was tak­ing so long to be released. It had been over three years at that point. Well, as we’re going to see below, that OIG report was even­tu­al­ly released in June of 2023. Mark Epstein remained woe­ful­ly unper­suad­ed, with the report leav­ing many glar­ing ques­tions unan­swered. Michael Baden — the high pro­file foren­sic pathol­o­gist hired by Mark Epstein to wit­ness the autop­sy — sim­i­lar­ly remained uncon­vinced.

    It just keeps fes­ter­ing. The more we learn, the worse this looks. And not just for Pres­i­dent Trump:

    NBC News

    ‘Let me see the video­tapes’: Mark Epstein wants Steve Ban­non’s 15 hours of unseen footage of his broth­er

    Ban­non said he plans to release his doc­u­men­tary about Jef­frey Epstein “ear­ly next year.”

    July 18, 2025, 8:15 PM CDT
    By Vaughn Hill­yard

    WASHINGTON — In 2021, the New York Post ran an online trail­er for an upcom­ing doc­u­men­tary about Jef­frey Epstein that was pro­duced by for­mer Don­ald Trump advis­er Steve Ban­non. In the video, Ban­non is on cam­era ques­tion­ing Epstein about “all of the deprav­i­ty you’ve done against young women,” among oth­er things.

    But that doc­u­men­tary nev­er came out. Now, Jef­frey Epstein’s broth­er, Mark, is ask­ing for Ban­non to show him the unseen footage.

    “Let me see the video­tapes,” he told NBC News on Fri­day. “He’s my broth­er.”

    Mark Epstein said that Ban­non, the MAGA media per­son­al­i­ty, worked with his broth­er, then a con­vict­ed sex offend­er, after the Mia­mi Her­ald in 2018 chron­i­cled vic­tims’ details of abuse by Jef­frey Epstein. The two men filmed togeth­er before Epstein’s arrest by fed­er­al author­i­ties in the sum­mer of 2019.

    “He told me he has like 15 or 16 hours of video­tape of Jeff. He was try­ing to help Jeff reha­bil­i­tate his rep­u­ta­tion,” Mark Epstein said of Ban­non. He said his meet­ing and con­ver­sa­tion with Ban­non took place in New York City after his brother’s death in prison — in either 2019 or 2020.

    “They spent a lot of time togeth­er,” Mark Epstein told NBC News.

    ...

    NBC News viewed Ban­non enter­ing Jef­frey Epstein’s New York res­i­dence on one occa­sion in late 2018.

    “When I met with Ban­non, he said he want­ed to put a doc­u­men­tary or some­thing togeth­er. He was try­ing to raise some mon­ey for it,” said Mark Epstein, who says he has not heard from Ban­non since then.

    ...

    Ban­non has a cen­tral place in the MAGA move­ment. A pop­ulist who played a key role in Trump’s polit­i­cal rise, he now hosts the pop­u­lar “War Room” pod­cast. He has been advo­cat­ing for the Trump admin­is­tra­tion to appoint a spe­cial coun­sel to look into the Epstein case.

    In the trail­er for “The Mon­sters: Epstein’s Life Among the Glob­al Elite,” pub­lished by the New York Post, Jef­frey Epstein said he was a “firm believ­er and sup­port­er” of the Time’s Up orga­ni­za­tion, which worked to com­bat sex­u­al harass­ment. Ban­non — who has a back­ground as a Hol­ly­wood pro­duc­er and a doc­u­men­tary film­mak­er — is also seen ask­ing Epstein whether he owns two islands, “the islands of Doc­tor More­au,” to which Epstein replies, “Cor­rect.”

    Ban­non acknowl­edged the footage dur­ing a live tap­ing of his pod­cast on July 12 and said he intends to release at least parts of its con­tents “ear­ly next year.”

    “We’re going to release the film, the five-part series, next year — ear­ly next year,” Ban­non said in response to a ques­tion about the documentary’s future.

    You’re going to have to name names, and you’re going to have to under­stand how the elites of the world but also the intel­li­gence ser­vices are inex­tri­ca­bly linked in the Epstein sto­ry,” he added. “That’s the key.”

    Con­ser­v­a­tive com­men­ta­tor Ben Shapiro this week crit­i­cized Ban­non for not releas­ing the footage.

    “So, release the Epstein tapes, Steve,” Shapiro said. “I mean, like, seri­ous­ly. More trans­paren­cy is good­er. How about that? It seems like it makes sense to me.”

    Dur­ing the tap­ing of his pod­cast “War Room” on Fri­day, Ban­non called for Attor­ney Gen­er­al Pam Bon­di to seek the release of “all the sealed evi­dence” relat­ed to the Epstein inves­ti­ga­tion.

    “They should peti­tion to release all the sealed evi­dence, right? And then there’s much more they can do, but start with that,” Ban­non said.

    In 2021, The New York Times said that Ban­non had con­firmed that he had record­ed more than 15 hours of inter­views with Jef­frey Epstein. He said the film was meant to illus­trate how Epstein’s “per­ver­sions and deprav­i­ty toward young women were part of a life that was sys­tem­at­i­cal­ly sup­port­ed, encour­aged and reward­ed by a glob­al estab­lish­ment that dined off his mon­ey and his influ­ence.”

    ...

    Mark Epstein told NBC News that he now has doubts about the offi­cial expla­na­tion.

    “My con­cern is that my broth­er was killed,” he said, adding, “More and more, I believe he was mur­dered, and every­one who looks at all the infor­ma­tion that’s out there on facts comes to the same con­clu­sion, cor­rect?”

    In May on Fox Busi­ness, FBI Direc­tor Kash Patel — who stoked Epstein con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries before join­ing the admin­is­tra­tion — said that the bureau had deter­mined that Epstein took his own life.

    “You know a sui­cide when you see one, and that’s what that was,” Patel said at the time.

    Mark Epstein called Patel a “f—–g moron” for his assess­ment.

    ...

    ———-

    “ ‘Let me see the video­tapes’: Mark Epstein wants Steve Ban­non’s 15 hours of unseen footage of his broth­er” By Vaughn Hill­yard; NBC News; 07/18/2025

    ““He told me he has like 15 or 16 hours of video­tape of Jeff. He was try­ing to help Jeff reha­bil­i­tate his rep­u­ta­tion,” Mark Epstein said of Ban­non. He said his meet­ing and con­ver­sa­tion with Ban­non took place in New York City after his brother’s death in prison — in either 2019 or 2020.”

    Wait, so Steve Ban­non held all these inter­views in order to reha­bil­i­tate Epstein’s rep­u­ta­tion? Real­ly?! Because, wow, that’s quite a rev­e­la­tion. And while Ban­non has­n’t hid the fact that he’s been work­ing on this doc­u­men­tary, the spin he’s been pub­licly putting on it is how the doc­u­men­tary will reveal how Epstein was inex­tri­ca­bly linked to intel­li­gence ser­vices. Keep in mind that the bomb­shell report­ing in the Mia­mi Her­ald that result­ed in Epstein’s arrest first went pub­lic at the end of Novem­ber 2018. So we have to ask: was that occa­sion where Ban­non was caught enter­ing Epstein’s New York res­i­dence in late 2018 in the month of Decem­ber? Either way, the avail­able evi­dence is that Ban­non and Epstein were allies until Epstein’s 2018 arrest, which is pret­ty crit­i­cal con­text for inter­pret­ing any doc­u­men­tary Ban­non might even­tu­al­ly release. It’s also why the calls for Ban­non to release all of the video footage is so rel­e­vant. Again, Ban­non want­ed to become the new Epstein. The new mas­ter of elite black­mail. Which is kind of a con­flict of inter­est for some­one promis­ing to release an Epstein doc­u­men­tary:

    ...
    NBC News viewed Ban­non enter­ing Jef­frey Epstein’s New York res­i­dence on one occa­sion in late 2018.

    “When I met with Ban­non, he said he want­ed to put a doc­u­men­tary or some­thing togeth­er. He was try­ing to raise some mon­ey for it,” said Mark Epstein, who says he has not heard from Ban­non since then.

    ...

    In the trail­er for “The Mon­sters: Epstein’s Life Among the Glob­al Elite,” pub­lished by the New York Post, Jef­frey Epstein said he was a “firm believ­er and sup­port­er” of the Time’s Up orga­ni­za­tion, which worked to com­bat sex­u­al harass­ment. Ban­non — who has a back­ground as a Hol­ly­wood pro­duc­er and a doc­u­men­tary film­mak­er — is also seen ask­ing Epstein whether he owns two islands, “the islands of Doc­tor More­au,” to which Epstein replies, “Cor­rect.”

    Ban­non acknowl­edged the footage dur­ing a live tap­ing of his pod­cast on July 12 and said he intends to release at least parts of its con­tents “ear­ly next year.”

    “We’re going to release the film, the five-part series, next year — ear­ly next year,” Ban­non said in response to a ques­tion about the documentary’s future.

    You’re going to have to name names, and you’re going to have to under­stand how the elites of the world but also the intel­li­gence ser­vices are inex­tri­ca­bly linked in the Epstein sto­ry,” he added. “That’s the key.”

    ...

    In 2021, The New York Times said that Ban­non had con­firmed that he had record­ed more than 15 hours of inter­views with Jef­frey Epstein. He said the film was meant to illus­trate how Epstein’s “per­ver­sions and deprav­i­ty toward young women were part of a life that was sys­tem­at­i­cal­ly sup­port­ed, encour­aged and reward­ed by a glob­al estab­lish­ment that dined off his mon­ey and his influ­ence.”
    ...

    And then there’s Mark Epstein’s repeat­ed state­ments to the media about how he is increas­ing­ly con­vinced his broth­er was mur­dered:

    ...
    Mark Epstein told NBC News that he now has doubts about the offi­cial expla­na­tion.

    “My con­cern is that my broth­er was killed,” he said, adding, “More and more, I believe he was mur­dered, and every­one who looks at all the infor­ma­tion that’s out there on facts comes to the same con­clu­sion, cor­rect?”
    ...

    And that brings us to the fol­low­ing report on Mark Epstein’s ongo­ing attempts to pub­licly raise the alarm over what he sees as a giant gov­ern­ment coverup in the mur­der of his broth­er. And as Mark Epstein claims, his broth­er told him back in 2016 that if he ever went pub­lic with what he knew about then-pres­i­den­tial can­di­date Don­ald Trump, they would have to can­cel the elec­tions:

    Huff­Post

    Epstein’s Broth­er Insists He Was Mur­dered, Says Pub­lic ‘Should Be Con­cerned’

    Mark Epstein says he first accept­ed his broth­er’s sui­cide, then two foren­sic pathol­o­gists con­vinced him oth­er­wise.

    By Nina Gol­go­ws­ki
    Jul 22, 2025, 04:33 PM EDT

    Jef­frey Epstein’s broth­er is dou­bling down on his belief that the late financier didn’t die by sui­cide when he was behind bars, while out­lin­ing his sus­pi­cions of a poten­tial “cov­er-up” and demand­ing more infor­ma­tion be released.

    “Every Amer­i­can cit­i­zen should be con­cerned. Here you have an Amer­i­can cit­i­zen who was killed in prison under fed­er­al pro­tec­tion. That should dis­turb every­one that that can hap­pen,” Mark Epstein said in an inter­view Mon­day with “Crime Sto­ries with Nan­cy Grace.”

    Mark said he ini­tial­ly had “no rea­son to doubt” that his broth­er, 66, did kill him­self in 2019 while await­ing a fed­er­al sex traf­fick­ing tri­al, as author­i­ties have said. “I knew he was in jail. He was poten­tial­ly fac­ing a very long term. I knew he wouldn’t want to live like that.”

    But he said his views changed after going to iden­ti­fy his brother’s body and speak­ing with a foren­sic pathol­o­gist who con­duct­ed the autop­sy. He also heard from a sec­ond pathol­o­gist, Dr. Michael Baden, whom he hired to wit­ness the pro­ce­dure on his behalf.

    “They both came out of the autop­sy room and they said they couldn’t call it a sui­cide because it looked too much like a homi­cide. Now that nev­er appears in any gov­ern­ment report and no one’s speak­ing about that. The two qual­i­fied foren­sic pathol­o­gists who did the autop­sy could not call it a sui­cide because it looked too much like a homi­cide,” he said.

    He ques­tioned why New York City’s chief med­ical exam­in­er, Dr. Bar­bara Sam­son, would lat­er declare his brother’s death to be a sui­cide, while accus­ing her of nev­er per­son­al­ly exam­in­ing his body or attend­ing the autop­sy her­self.

    “After the autop­sy was over that day, we claimed the body. So she nev­er saw it,” he said.

    Sam­son has hit back against doubts pre­vi­ous­ly shared by Dr. Baden, who briefly served as New York City’s med­ical exam­in­er and who raised ques­tions about bro­ken bones found in Jef­frey Epstein’s neck.

    “I stand firm­ly behind our deter­mi­na­tion of the cause and man­ner of death in this case,” she told The New York Times. “In gen­er­al, frac­tures of the hyoid bone and the car­ti­lage can be seen in sui­cides and homi­cides.”

    ...

    “We know that Jef­frey had dirt on Don­ald Trump. We know that. That’s a fact,” he told Don Lemon in an inter­view ear­li­er this month.

    Mark claimed that in 2016 his broth­er told him that if he ever spoke pub­licly about what he knew about Trump, they’d have to can­cel the pres­i­den­tial race that Trump was run­ning in.

    “He didn’t tell me what he knew, but that’s what he said, and I’ve been pub­lic about that before, that shouldn’t come as a shock,” he said. “He didn’t tell me what he knew, but he said if he said what he knew, he’d have to can­cel the elec­tion. That’s a direct quote.”

    ...

    ———–

    “Epstein’s Broth­er Insists He Was Mur­dered, Says Pub­lic ‘Should Be Con­cerned’” By Nina Gol­go­ws­ki; Huff­Post; 07/22/2025

    ““He didn’t tell me what he knew, but that’s what he said, and I’ve been pub­lic about that before, that shouldn’t come as a shock,” he said. “He didn’t tell me what he knew, but he said if he said what he knew, he’d have to can­cel the elec­tion. That’s a direct quote.””

    They would have had to can­cel the 2016 elec­tion had what Jef­frey Epstein knew about Trump became pub­lic. That’s what Mark Epstein was appar­ent­ly told by his broth­er back in 2016. A quote that sure sounds plau­si­ble giv­en the ongo­ing melt­down of the Trump admin­is­tra­tion as it con­tin­ues to fail at ‘chang­ing the sub­ject’.

    And as Mark Epstein has been pub­licly warn­ing for years, his con­vic­tion that his broth­er was mur­dered is based on the fact that the two foren­sic pathol­o­gists who were actu­al­ly there for the autop­sy con­clud­ed that they could­n’t declare is a sui­cide, with Michael Baden stat­ing that he felt it was more con­sis­tent with the homi­cide. It was the New York City’s chief med­ical exam­in­er, Dr. Bar­bara Samp­son (not “Sam­son”), who even­tu­al­ly assert­ed that it was con­sis­tent with a sui­cide. Accord­ing to Epstein, Samp­son nev­er per­son­al­ly exam­ined the body:

    ...
    Mark said he ini­tial­ly had “no rea­son to doubt” that his broth­er, 66, did kill him­self in 2019 while await­ing a fed­er­al sex traf­fick­ing tri­al, as author­i­ties have said. “I knew he was in jail. He was poten­tial­ly fac­ing a very long term. I knew he wouldn’t want to live like that.”

    But he said his views changed after going to iden­ti­fy his brother’s body and speak­ing with a foren­sic pathol­o­gist who con­duct­ed the autop­sy. He also heard from a sec­ond pathol­o­gist, Dr. Michael Baden, whom he hired to wit­ness the pro­ce­dure on his behalf.

    “They both came out of the autop­sy room and they said they couldn’t call it a sui­cide because it looked too much like a homi­cide. Now that nev­er appears in any gov­ern­ment report and no one’s speak­ing about that. The two qual­i­fied foren­sic pathol­o­gists who did the autop­sy could not call it a sui­cide because it looked too much like a homi­cide,” he said.

    He ques­tioned why New York City’s chief med­ical exam­in­er, Dr. Bar­bara Sam­son, would lat­er declare his brother’s death to be a sui­cide, while accus­ing her of nev­er per­son­al­ly exam­in­ing his body or attend­ing the autop­sy her­self.

    “After the autop­sy was over that day, we claimed the body. So she nev­er saw it,” he said.
    ...

    Next, let’s take a look at what DOJ’s Office of Inspec­tor Gen­er­al con­clud­ed about the Epstein death back in a report released in June of 2023. Recall how Mark Epstein voiced many of his con­cerns about the inves­ti­ga­tion into his broth­er’s death in a Busi­ness Insid­er piece pub­lished in March of 2023. And as we can see, Mark Epstein remained very unper­suad­ed by the report’s find­ings. Or as he put it at the time, it was “bla­tant bullsh#t”:

    Busi­ness Insid­er

    Jef­frey Epstein’s broth­er remains con­vinced the financier was mur­dered, call­ing new DOJ report ‘bla­tant bul lshit’

    By Jacob Sham­sian
    Jun 27, 2023, 7:37 PM CT

    * The DOJ inspec­tor gen­er­al released a long-await­ed report con­clud­ing Jef­frey Epstein killed him­self.
    * Mark Epstein, his broth­er, isn’t con­vinced.
    * “He got either punched or a karate chop into the neck by who­ev­er killed him,” he told Insid­er.

    When Mark Epstein saw the four-years-in-the-mak­ing Jus­tice Depart­ment report into his broth­er’s death on Tues­day, he seethed in dis­be­lief.

    “It does­n’t make sense. Could you get that through your fu cking head? It does­n’t make sense,” Epstein told Insid­er. “Par­don my lan­guage, but I got a lot of calls today and I’ve lost my patience for the peo­ple that lis­ten to this shit and don’t ask the right ques­tions.”

    On Tues­day morn­ing, the Jus­tice Depart­men­t’s Office of Inspec­tor Gen­er­al pub­lished its long-await­ing report into Jef­frey Epstein’s death. Epstein — a wealthy financier who ran in the same cir­cles as Bill Clin­ton, Don­ald Trump, and Prince Andrew — was found dead in his Man­hat­tan jail cell the morn­ing of August 10, 2019, while await­ing tri­al on sex-traf­fick­ing charges.

    ...

    Epstein’s body was exam­ined by Kris­ten Roman, a med­ical exam­in­er for the city of New York. Mark Epstein hired Michael Baden, a famed foren­sic pathol­o­gist, to over­see the four-hour pro­ce­dure.

    They came away with dif­fer­ent con­clu­sions. Baden still had ques­tions about how Epstein’s body was found. He believed the lig­a­tures on Epstein’s neck and the pat­tern of bro­ken bones were more con­sis­tent with homi­cide — not sui­cide by hang­ing with a bed­sheet. Roman was incon­clu­sive, though her boss lat­er ruled the death a sui­cide while offer­ing lit­tle addi­tion­al expla­na­tion to the pub­lic.

    The absence of infor­ma­tion, and Epstein’s con­nec­tions with pow­er­ful peo­ple, bred the­o­ries that Epstein was mur­dered in his jail cell. Tues­day’s 122-page report from the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s office, which is statu­to­ri­ly pro­tect­ed from the polit­i­cal winds, was sup­posed to be the final word.

    ...

    ‘He got either punched or a karate chop into the neck by who­ev­er killed him’

    Michael Thomas, the guard who found Jef­frey Epstein dead, said the financier’s body was “sus­pend­ed from the top bunk in a near-seat­ed posi­tion, with his but­tocks approx­i­mate­ly 1 inch to 1 inch and a half off the floor and his legs extend­ed out straight on the floor,” accord­ing to the report.

    But the marks from the noose, fash­ioned from a torn orange bed­sheet, were on the low­er part of Epstein’s neck.

    Mark Epstein called that part of the report “a glar­ing fu ck up.” He told Insid­er that, if Jef­frey Epstein real­ly died in that posi­tion, the noose would have rid­den up the neck and looped up near his ears.

    “The pic­tures I have from the autop­sy showed that the noose mark was low­er on his neck and it was more straight back as opposed to rid­ing up in the back towards his ears,” Mark Epstein said. “So he could­n’t have been hang­ing that way, as they say, and leav­ing this mark on his neck.”

    “Also, if he was hang­ing from the way they said, that does­n’t match up to where the bro­ken bones are in his neck,” he added..

    Epstein the­o­rized that the marks came from some­one who punched or karate-chopped his broth­er in the neck.

    “What most like­ly hap­pened is that those marks are prob­a­bly because he got either punched or a karate chop into the neck by who­ev­er killed him,” Epstein said. “Because that’s a tech­nique they use to inca­pac­i­tate peo­ple that they’re going to elim­i­nate. That makes much more sense.”

    Epstein not­ed that the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s office, in all its four years of work­ing on the report, nev­er asked Baden for an inter­view.

    The report, how­ev­er, notes that inves­ti­ga­tors spoke direct­ly to Roman. She con­clud­ed that the hem­or­rhages, blood flow, and skin marks on Epstein’s neck and face were more con­sis­tent with sui­cide than stran­gu­la­tion. She also not­ed there was “no evi­dence of defen­sive wounds” if Epstein had fought off an attack­er.

    “Epstein did not have any marks on his hands (no bro­ken fin­ger­nails, no debris under the fin­ger­nails, no con­tu­sions to his knuck­les) that would have evi­denced a fight, and, oth­er than an abra­sion on his arm like­ly due to con­vuls­ing from hang­ing, no bruis­ing on his body,” the Jus­tice Depart­ment report says.

    In an inter­view Tues­day night with Insid­er, Baden — who esti­mat­ed he’s con­duct­ed over a thou­sand autop­sies on deaths in New York state jails and pris­ons over the past five decades — main­tained that Epstein’s injuries were more con­sis­tent with homi­cide than sui­cide. He also said a “karate blow” could have been the cause of his death.

    “The autop­sy find­ings are much more sug­ges­tive of homi­ci­dal man­u­al stran­gu­la­tion or com­pres­sion of the neck with being stepped on, or with a shoe or a knee,” he said. “Or a karate blow can cause three frac­tures in the neck.”

    The report dis­pels a the­o­ry that anoth­er inmate killed Epstein

    Mark Epstein has sought to con­duct his own inves­ti­ga­tion into how his broth­er died. In addi­tion to Baden, he hired an attor­ney to look into the death, Insid­er pre­vi­ous­ly report­ed.

    One ele­ment that’s both­ered Mark is that inves­ti­ga­tors nev­er inter­viewed the emer­gency med­ical tech­ni­cians who respond­ed when Jef­frey Epstein was found dead, he said.

    “The EMTs have said that, espe­cial­ly on high pro­file cas­es like this, they’re always brought in and inter­viewed to debrief,” Mark Epstein said. “They wan­na know what exact­ly took place. Nobody has ques­tioned the EMTs.”

    Tues­day’s report says that EMTs per­formed CPR on Epstein, intu­bat­ed him, admin­is­tered med­ica­tion to revive him, and trans­port­ed his body in an ambu­lance to a hos­pi­tal where he was found dead — but it does not say they were inter­viewed.

    ...

    “They say that they found him in the morn­ing and the guards tried to do CPR on him. Then the EMTs came and took him to the hos­pi­tal,” Epstein said. “They don’t men­tion the fact that in between them find­ing him and the EMTs get­ting there, he was, his body was tak­en to the infir­mary.”

    The report does, in fact, say that EMTs moved Epstein’s body on a stretch­er from his cell to the jail’s Health Ser­vices Unit. Addi­tion­al med­ical per­son­nel arrived just four min­utes lat­er to move his body to the ambu­lance.

    Mark Epstein has also pre­vi­ous­ly float­ed the the­o­ry that the doors to Epstein’s cell — and the oth­er cells in the unit — were unlocked, open­ing the oppor­tu­ni­ty for anoth­er inmate to kill him.

    Accord­ing to the report, the doors were locked. Inves­ti­ga­tors also spoke to three oth­er inmates in the cell block who could see direct­ly into Epstein’s cell from their own cells. None of them saw or heard any­one going in or out, accord­ing to the report.

    Mark Epstein remains uncon­vinced..

    “Did you nev­er think maybe they were sleep­ing?” Epstein said. “This took place in the mid­dle of the night.”

    ———–

    “Jef­frey Epstein’s broth­er remains con­vinced the financier was mur­dered, call­ing new DOJ report ‘bla­tant bul lshit’ ” By Jacob Sham­sian; Busi­ness Insid­er; 06/27/2023

    On Tues­day morn­ing, the Jus­tice Depart­men­t’s Office of Inspec­tor Gen­er­al pub­lished its long-await­ing report into Jef­frey Epstein’s death. Epstein — a wealthy financier who ran in the same cir­cles as Bill Clin­ton, Don­ald Trump, and Prince Andrew — was found dead in his Man­hat­tan jail cell the morn­ing of August 10, 2019, while await­ing tri­al on sex-traf­fick­ing charges.”

    The Jus­tice Depart­men­t’s Office of Inspec­tor Gen­er­al did indeed belat­ed issue its report on Epstein’s death back in June of 2023, sev­er­al months after a Busi­ness Insid­er inter­view with Mark Epstein where he described the numer­ous flaws in the offi­cial ‘sui­cide’ con­clu­sion. And as we can see, not only was Mark Epstein not per­suad­ed by the find­ings, but Michael Baden also stuck to his ear­li­er con­clu­sion that the evi­dence point­ed towards homi­cide. Both Epstein and Baden point to a karate blow to the neck as a pos­si­ble expla­na­tion for the injuries around the neck. Impor­tant­ly, it appears the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s office nev­er even spoke to Baden:

    ...
    Michael Thomas, the guard who found Jef­frey Epstein dead, said the financier’s body was “sus­pend­ed from the top bunk in a near-seat­ed posi­tion, with his but­tocks approx­i­mate­ly 1 inch to 1 inch and a half off the floor and his legs extend­ed out straight on the floor,” accord­ing to the report.

    But the marks from the noose, fash­ioned from a torn orange bed­sheet, were on the low­er part of Epstein’s neck.

    Mark Epstein called that part of the report “a glar­ing fu ck up.” He told Insid­er that, if Jef­frey Epstein real­ly died in that posi­tion, the noose would have rid­den up the neck and looped up near his ears.

    “The pic­tures I have from the autop­sy showed that the noose mark was low­er on his neck and it was more straight back as opposed to rid­ing up in the back towards his ears,” Mark Epstein said. “So he could­n’t have been hang­ing that way, as they say, and leav­ing this mark on his neck.”

    “Also, if he was hang­ing from the way they said, that does­n’t match up to where the bro­ken bones are in his neck,” he added..

    Epstein the­o­rized that the marks came from some­one who punched or karate-chopped his broth­er in the neck.

    “What most like­ly hap­pened is that those marks are prob­a­bly because he got either punched or a karate chop into the neck by who­ev­er killed him,” Epstein said. “Because that’s a tech­nique they use to inca­pac­i­tate peo­ple that they’re going to elim­i­nate. That makes much more sense.”

    Epstein not­ed that the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s office, in all its four years of work­ing on the report, nev­er asked Baden for an inter­view.

    ...

    In an inter­view Tues­day night with Insid­er, Baden — who esti­mat­ed he’s con­duct­ed over a thou­sand autop­sies on deaths in New York state jails and pris­ons over the past five decades — main­tained that Epstein’s injuries were more con­sis­tent with homi­cide than sui­cide. He also said a “karate blow” could have been the cause of his death.

    “The autop­sy find­ings are much more sug­ges­tive of homi­ci­dal man­u­al stran­gu­la­tion or com­pres­sion of the neck with being stepped on, or with a shoe or a knee,” he said. “Or a karate blow can cause three frac­tures in the neck.”
    ...

    Inves­ti­ga­tors did, how­ev­er, even­tu­al­ly speak with Kris­ten Roman, the med­ical exam­in­er who con­duct­ed the autop­sy where Baden was present. As we’ve seen, Roman report­ed­ly ini­tial­ly left the autop­sy unable to deter­mine whether it was sui­cide or homi­cide, telling Baden that she had­n’t come to a con­clu­sion and list­ing the cause of death as “pend­ing fur­ther study”. So it sounds like Roman even­tu­al­ly came around to the same ‘sui­cide’ con­clu­sion that her boss assert­ed. But it would be inter­est­ing to know if that “fur­ther study” ever actu­al­ly hap­pened because there’s no indi­ca­tion that ever hap­pened:

    ...
    Epstein’s body was exam­ined by Kris­ten Roman, a med­ical exam­in­er for the city of New York. Mark Epstein hired Michael Baden, a famed foren­sic pathol­o­gist, to over­see the four-hour pro­ce­dure.

    They came away with dif­fer­ent con­clu­sions. Baden still had ques­tions about how Epstein’s body was found. He believed the lig­a­tures on Epstein’s neck and the pat­tern of bro­ken bones were more con­sis­tent with homi­cide — not sui­cide by hang­ing with a bed­sheet. Roman was incon­clu­sive, though her boss lat­er ruled the death a sui­cide while offer­ing lit­tle addi­tion­al expla­na­tion to the pub­lic.

    ...

    The report, how­ev­er, notes that inves­ti­ga­tors spoke direct­ly to Roman. She con­clud­ed that the hem­or­rhages, blood flow, and skin marks on Epstein’s neck and face were more con­sis­tent with sui­cide than stran­gu­la­tion. She also not­ed there was “no evi­dence of defen­sive wounds” if Epstein had fought off an attack­er.

    “Epstein did not have any marks on his hands (no bro­ken fin­ger­nails, no debris under the fin­ger­nails, no con­tu­sions to his knuck­les) that would have evi­denced a fight, and, oth­er than an abra­sion on his arm like­ly due to con­vuls­ing from hang­ing, no bruis­ing on his body,” the Jus­tice Depart­ment report says.
    ...

    Also not how Mark Epstein’s descrip­tion of the sequence of events that hap­pened after Epstein’s body was ini­tial­ly found in his cell does­n’t align with this report. Accord­ing Mark, the offi­cial nar­ra­tive was that the guards who found his broth­er’s body ini­tial­ly tried to do CPR on him and then trans­port­ed him to the hos­pi­tal but, in fact, his body was first trans­port­ed to the infir­mary. Now, it appears this report does include that detail. So either Mark Epstein was con­fused about the ini­tial offi­cial sto­ry he was being told, or that offi­cial sto­ry was updat­ed:

    ...
    One ele­ment that’s both­ered Mark is that inves­ti­ga­tors nev­er inter­viewed the emer­gency med­ical tech­ni­cians who respond­ed when Jef­frey Epstein was found dead, he said.

    “The EMTs have said that, espe­cial­ly on high pro­file cas­es like this, they’re always brought in and inter­viewed to debrief,” Mark Epstein said. “They wan­na know what exact­ly took place. Nobody has ques­tioned the EMTs.”

    Tues­day’s report says that EMTs per­formed CPR on Epstein, intu­bat­ed him, admin­is­tered med­ica­tion to revive him, and trans­port­ed his body in an ambu­lance to a hos­pi­tal where he was found dead — but it does not say they were inter­viewed.

    ...

    “They say that they found him in the morn­ing and the guards tried to do CPR on him. Then the EMTs came and took him to the hos­pi­tal,” Epstein said. “They don’t men­tion the fact that in between them find­ing him and the EMTs get­ting there, he was, his body was tak­en to the infir­mary.”

    The report does, in fact, say that EMTs moved Epstein’s body on a stretch­er from his cell to the jail’s Health Ser­vices Unit. Addi­tion­al med­ical per­son­nel arrived just four min­utes lat­er to move his body to the ambu­lance.
    ...

    And then we get an update on the sta­tus of whether or not the doors to Epstein’s cell were unlocked. As we’ve seen, Mark Epstein assert­ed pri­or to the release of this OIG report that the pub­lic had nev­er been informed on the free­dom of move­ment inside the spe­cial hous­ing unit where Epstein was held. Well, accord­ing to this OIG report, the doors were locked and three oth­er inmates nev­er saw any­thing. Of course, if this real­ly was a coor­di­nat­ed exe­cu­tion and anoth­er inmate real­ly was used to car­ry out an attack, we should­n’t exact­ly an accu­rate account­ing of whether or not the doors were unlocked. Which is a reminder that we should­n’t have to rely on ques­tion­ing oth­er inmates at all because the cam­eras that were record­ing the area around Epstein’s cell should have held all the answers. But those cam­eras mys­te­ri­ous­ly mal­func­tioned just weeks after Epstein’s arrival. So while this OIG report would seem to dis­miss ques­tions about whether or not Epstein could have been attacked by anoth­er inmate, the fact that the cam­eras that could have answered those ques­tions con­ve­nient­ly all mal­func­tioned in the first place sug­gests we’re already deal­ing with a pre­emp­tive coverup of the facts:

    ...
    Mark Epstein has also pre­vi­ous­ly float­ed the the­o­ry that the doors to Epstein’s cell — and the oth­er cells in the unit — were unlocked, open­ing the oppor­tu­ni­ty for anoth­er inmate to kill him.

    Accord­ing to the report, the doors were locked. Inves­ti­ga­tors also spoke to three oth­er inmates in the cell block who could see direct­ly into Epstein’s cell from their own cells. None of them saw or heard any­one going in or out, accord­ing to the report.

    Mark Epstein remains uncon­vinced..

    “Did you nev­er think maybe they were sleep­ing?” Epstein said. “This took place in the mid­dle of the night.”
    ...

    More ques­tions we’ll nev­er have answered. At least not answers we can have any con­fi­dence in. The US jus­tice sys­tem does­n’t seem capa­ble of han­dling the Epstein case. At least han­dling it in a man­ner that does­n’t look like a giant coverup. The kind of giant bla­tant coverup that would­n’t have hap­pened had Epstein not been seen as some­one car­ry­ing out impor­tant work by pow­er­ful inter­ests. The kind of impor­tant work that would pre­sum­ably still go on under some­one else’s direc­tion after Epstein was tak­en down. So if it turns out Epstein does indeed have a replace­ment, keep in mind that the DOJ will pre­sum­ably also be inca­pable of even­tu­al­ly han­dling any sort of hon­est inves­ti­ga­tion into that indi­vid­ual too. Whether that’s Ban­non or some­one else. It’s one of the dou­ble-edged swords inher­ent in being some­one like Jef­frey Epstein: you’ll prob­a­bly be mur­dered one day if your oper­a­tion is ever exposed...but your mur­der and your oper­a­tion will be cov­ered up enough to at least keep the most scan­dalous parts a secret for­ev­er. It’s not hard to see why Ban­non might find that appeal­ing.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | July 26, 2025, 5:47 pm
  7. The more we observe and study it, the worse it looks. It’s like bad art. But the offi­cial inves­ti­ga­tion into Jef­frey Epstein’s ‘sui­cide’ isn’t art. It’s a coverup. A bad bla­tant coverup that just gets more and more glar­ing­ly awful. Which brings us to the stun­ning new analy­sis just released by CBS News. The report is like a col­lage of inves­tiga­tive decep­tion and malfea­sance. A litany of offi­cial lies.

    For starters, we got a num­ber of updates about that ‘miss­ing minute’ from the sur­veil­lance video. As we’ve seen, that ‘miss­ing minute’ comes right before mid­night and appears to be the end of the first of two video clips that were stitched togeth­er. Attor­ney Gen­er­al Pam Bon­di claimed this was nor­mal and all of the cam­eras at the jail had a miss­ing minute before mid­night every evening as part of some sort of sys­tem reset. And as we’ve also seen, the meta­da­ta in the video indi­cat­ed that miss­ing minute from the end of the first clip was actu­al­ly clos­er to a miss­ing three min­utes, which strong­ly sug­gest­ed that the video of that miss­ing minute exists some­where. Well, accord­ing to anony­mous sources who spoke to CBS, the gov­ern­ment is indeed in pos­ses­sion of that miss­ing minute of footage. We’ve received no expla­na­tion for why Bon­di claimed there was a sys­tem ‘reset’ every evening that caused the miss­ing minute. Also of note is the fact that the Depart­ment of Jus­tice’s Office of Inspec­tor Gen­er­al (OIG) report that was released back in June of 2023 makes no men­tion of a miss­ing minute.

    But then we got this remark­able addi­tion­al detail: we are told an unnamed staffer with the title Mate­ri­als Han­dler was on duty from 4 PM to mid­night and that it is assumed this staffer would have left the Spe­cial Hous­ing Unit (SHU) dur­ing that minute (pre­sum­ably because they aren’t caught leav­ing at some oth­er time on the video). So not only does the gov­ern­ment have the footage of that miss­ing minute, but there’s a high chance that some­one actu­al­ly left the unit dur­ing that minute. And since the video footage is sup­posed to cap­ture who was enter­ing and exit­ing the tier of the SHU where Epstein was house, this Mate­ri­als Han­dler may have been caught on cam­era leav­ing dur­ing that miss­ing minute.

    Oh, but it gets worse. Because it’s also entire­ly pos­si­ble that Mate­ri­als Man­ag­er was­n’t caught on cam­era leav­ing at all for an incred­i­ble sus­pi­cious rea­son: CBS used the avail­able infor­ma­tion from the var­i­ous inves­ti­ga­tions to recon­struct the lay­out of the SHU and deter­mine where exact­ly was cap­ture on video inside the unit from the two func­tion­ing cam­eras. They con­clud­ed that it was actu­al­ly pos­si­ble for some­one to have entered and exit­ed the tier where Epstein was held with­out being caught on cam­era! Yep, the nar­ra­tive we’ve been get­ting from the gov­ern­ment about how the sur­veil­lance video would have cap­tured every­one enter­ing and leav­ing the area where Epstein was held was sim­ply incor­rect. Only one of the two func­tion­ing cam­eras was pur­port­ed­ly cov­er­ing a stair­case that led up to the tier where Epstein was held. But as CBS found, only a slight edge of the stair­case was actu­al­ly on the video and it was pos­si­ble for some­one to ascend the stair­case with­out being caught on video at all. How do we know this is the case? Because Epstein shows up on the video in the first 10 min­utes (at approx­i­mate­ly 7:50 pm), when he is seen walk­ing towards that stair­case to return to his cell. Epstein isn’t actu­al­ly seen ascend­ing the stair­case on the video. So when we ask why on earth they might have been tempt­ed to cov­er up the fact that the Mate­ri­als Man­ag­er left dur­ing that ‘miss­ing minute’, keep in mind it’s pos­si­ble that the footage unmis­tak­ably reveals just how easy it would be for some­one to use that stair­case with­out being seen. In oth­er words, imag­ine if the footage just bare­ly shows a glimpse of the Mate­ri­als Man­ag­er for a frame or two. That would have made it unam­bigu­ous­ly clear to the pub­lic that the video was­n’t actu­al­ly com­plete­ly cap­tur­ing who was using that stair­case.

    The rea­son Epstein was away from his cell that day before return­ing is also rather inter­est­ing. Recall how, as we’ve seen, Epstein had just returned after spend­ing the day meet­ing with his legal team. August 9, 2019, was also the day a fed­er­al appeals court unsealed 2000 pages of tes­ti­mo­ny with graph­ic tes­ti­mo­ny from the vic­tims of both Epstein and Ghis­laine Maxwell. August 9 was also the day Epstein’s cell­mate, Efrain Reyes, was released. A replace­ment cell­mate was sup­posed to be assigned due to the appar­ent sui­cide attempt two weeks ear­li­er, but no replace­ment was giv­en. After return­ing from meet­ing with his lawyers at approx­i­mate­ly 7:49 pm, Epstein asks to call his moth­er (who was long dead at that point) and actu­al­ly called his Belaruss­ian girl­friend, who is one of the main ben­e­fi­cia­ries in a trust he set up the day before that con­tained $577 mil­lion in assets at the time. And as we’ve also seen, the execu­tors of that estate have been left with hun­dreds of mil­lions of dol­lars in assets to be used at their dis­cre­tion in keep­ing with a will Epstein craft­ed just days before his death. And the only rea­son so much mon­ey is left to the estate is the deci­sion of fed­er­al pros­e­cu­tors to NOT fur­ther pur­sue those assets on behalf of Epstein’s vic­tims. We are now told it was the senior offi­cer in charge of the unit who facil­i­tat­ed that unmon­i­tored phone call to Epstein’s girl­friend. The Bureau of Pris­ons’ (BOP) North­east region­al direc­tor lat­er told inves­ti­ga­tors that the unmon­i­tored call was extreme­ly con­cern­ing, adding: “We don’t know what hap­pened on that phone. It could have poten­tial­ly led to the inci­dent [Epstein’s death], but we don’t — we will nev­er know.”

    And as this CBS analy­sis found, the OIG report appears to have made a mis­take that con­cealed a direct con­tra­dic­tion by one of the two secu­ri­ty guards in charge of watch­ing over Epstein. Recall how those two guards, Tova Noel and Michael Thomas, were found to have slept or browsed online through­out the evening of Epstein’s death, fal­si­fy­ing the records indi­cat­ing that were con­duct­ing wel­fare checks every 30 min­utes. While Noel and Thomas were charged over their actions that evening, the charges were even­tu­al­ly dropped. No oth­er prison offi­cials faced any pun­ish­ment over Epstein’s death.

    And accord­ing to the OIG report, Noel stat­ed that she left Epstein alone in the show­er area where he made his unmon­i­tored phone call. She then left the area to use the restroom and when she returned, Epstein had already been escort­ed to his cell by some­one else. But the video appears to show Noel per­son­al­ly escort­ing Epstein to the stair­case. Why Noel would have mis­led inves­ti­ga­tors about a detail like that remains very unclear.

    Anoth­er dis­crep­an­cy involv­ing what Noel told inves­ti­ga­tors relat­ed to the secu­ri­ty for enter­ing and exit­ing the SHU from the rest of the prison. Two doors — one oper­at­ed remote­ly and one that requires a phys­i­cal key — con­trolled access to the SHU. The doors were con­ve­nient­ly not cap­tured on cam­era. But Noel told inves­ti­ga­tors that only she and Thomas pos­sessed that key. And yet, video evi­dence shows sev­er­al peo­ple enter­ing and exist­ing while Thomas and Noel was seen nowhere near the door. Impor­tant­ly, that entrance to the SHU is in an area NOT cap­tured in the ‘raw footage’ sur­veil­lance video and a path­way from that entrance to the stair­case lead­ing up to Epstein’s wing is also off cam­era. So peo­ple inside the SHU could have not only ascend the stair­case to Epstein’s tier with­out being caught on cam­era, but it’s pos­si­ble peo­ple entered the SHU, ascend­ed that stair­case, and exit­ed with­out being caught on cam­era. Accord­ing to Jim Stafford, a video foren­sics expert, “To say that there’s no way that some­one could get to that — the stair up to his room — with­out being seen is false.” That was an opin­ion shared by four oth­er lead­ing video foren­sics experts CBS News spoke with.

    Anoth­er dis­crep­an­cy observed by the foren­sic experts involves a image of some­thing ascend­ing the stair­case to Epstein’s tier at 10:40 pm that evening. This is the last time any motion is cap­tured on that stair­way lead­ing to Epstein’s tier before Epstein’s body is found the next day. It’s described as an orange shape mov­ing up the stairs. The OIG report con­clud­ed that a cor­rec­tions offi­cer, who was believed to be Noel, car­ried linen or inmate cloth­ing up to the tier where Epstein was housed. But the video foren­sics experts sug­gest­ed that the shape could be a per­son dressed in an orange prison jump­suit. Recall how Epstein’s broth­er, Mark Epstein, has long ques­tioned whether or not anoth­er pris­on­er could have killed his broth­er and asked for clar­i­ty on whether or not pris­on­ers had free­dom of move­ment inside the SHU and access to oth­er pris­on­ers. The OIG report assert­ed that the cell doors were locked in the SHU and pris­on­ers did not have free­dom of move­ment, although Mark Epstein remained uncon­vinced. And now we learn that some­one wear­ing an orange jump­suit may have ascend­ed the stair­case at 10:40 pm.

    And there’s an addi­tion­al dis­crep­an­cy regard­ing who was inside the SHU that evening: accord­ing to the OIG report, only two staff mem­bers entered the SHU after mid­night: a cor­rec­tions offi­cer, iden­ti­fied as “CO3,” and the Morn­ing Watch Oper­a­tions Lieu­tenant. But a third uniden­ti­fied indi­vid­ual pass­es through the SHU at 12:05 am. Was this the Mate­ri­als Man­ag­er, leav­ing 5 min­utes late? We aren’t told. Adding to the ques­tions regard­ing who had access to the area where Epstein was held that evening is the fact that only 3 inmates vol­un­tar­i­ly spoke with inves­ti­ga­tors despite the fact that the tier can house as many as 14 pris­on­ers.

    yes, accord­ing to this CBS report, the ‘miss­ing minute’ isn’t just a gross lie. It also may have cov­ered up the fact that Mate­ri­als Man­ag­er appar­ent­ly left right at that time. But even if we had that ‘minute miss­ing’ footage, it’s very pos­si­ble we would­n’t have cap­tured footage of the Mate­ri­als Man­ager’s exit because the footage does­n’t actu­al­ly cov­er the stair­case lead­ing up to Epstein’s tier, nor does it cap­ture an exit/entrance to the SHU. And then there’s the mys­te­ri­ous orange shape at 10:40 pm that may have been a pris­on­er, along with the mys­tery employ­ee at 12:05 am. So while we can’t con­clude what exact­ly hap­pened that evening, we have more than enough evi­dence at this point to con­fi­dent­ly con­clude we’re look­ing at a coverup. A rather low qual­i­ty coverup, all things con­sid­ered:

    CBS News

    CBS News inves­ti­ga­tion of Jef­frey Epstein jail video reveals new dis­crep­an­cies

    By Dan Ruetenik
    July 29, 2025 / 3:25 PM EDT

    In the weeks after Jef­frey Epstein died at the Met­ro­pol­i­tan Cor­rec­tion­al Cen­ter in low­er Man­hat­tan, in August 2019, then-Attor­ney Gen­er­al William Barr said his “per­son­al review” of sur­veil­lance footage clear­ly showed that no one entered the area where Epstein was housed, lead­ing him to agree with the con­clu­sion of the med­ical exam­in­er that Epstein had died by sui­cide.

    It’s a claim that’s been repeat­ed by oth­er top fed­er­al offi­cials, includ­ing FBI Deputy Direc­tor Dan Bongi­no, who said on Fox News’ “Fox and Friends” in May, “There’s video clear as day — he’s the only per­son in there and the only per­son com­ing out.”

    But a CBS News analy­sis of the video the FBI made pub­lic ear­li­er this month reveals that the record­ing does­n’t pro­vide a clear view of the entrance to Epstein’s cell block — one of sev­er­al con­tra­dic­tions between offi­cials’ descrip­tions of the video and the video itself.

    CBS News also dig­i­tal­ly recon­struct­ed the Spe­cial Hous­ing Unit, or SHU, where Epstein was held, using dia­grams and descrip­tions from the 2023 report on Epstein released by the Jus­tice Depart­ment inspec­tor gen­er­al. The CBS News review found the video does lit­tle to pro­vide evi­dence to sup­port claims that were lat­er made by fed­er­al offi­cials. Addi­tion­al­ly, CBS News has iden­ti­fied mul­ti­ple incon­sis­ten­cies between that report and the video that raise seri­ous ques­tions about the accu­ra­cy of wit­ness state­ments and the thor­ough­ness of the gov­ern­men­t’s inves­ti­ga­tion.

    ...

    The Epstein jail video

    The silent sur­veil­lance video, which runs for near­ly 11 hours, pro­vides a nar­row win­dow into Epstein’s world dur­ing his last hours on earth. Staffers on duty that night in the Met­ro­pol­i­tan Cor­rec­tion­al Cen­ter car­ry blan­kets, fill out paper­work and occa­sion­al­ly appear to doze off.

    The grainy, pix­e­lat­ed footage shows two doors, a non­de­script blue trash can and a stair land­ing. Beyond the ban­is­ter, a third of the frame is filled with a bright, flu­o­res­cent-lit open area. A stair­case is vis­i­ble on the left, and in the back, a dark, blur­ry patch marks the cor­rec­tion­al offi­cer’s desk. To the right of the desk is the faint out­line of part of the stair­case lead­ing up to Epstein’s cell.

    Sev­er­al cam­eras in the Spe­cial Hous­ing Unit were func­tion­ing but unmon­i­tored, the report said, and the gov­ern­ment has stat­ed that a fail­ure of the dig­i­tal video record­ing sys­tem result­ed in the loss of most of the footage from the night of Aug. 9–10, 2019, that would have pro­vid­ed a fuller view.

    The video that was released begins at 7:40 p.m. Nine min­utes lat­er, accord­ing to the report of the Jus­tice Depart­ment inspec­tor gen­er­al, Epstein appears for the first and last time on cam­era. He emerges from the left side of the screen and walks down a stair­well accom­pa­nied by a cor­rec­tions offi­cer. Employ­ees told inves­ti­ga­tors that Epstein had just fin­ished an unmon­i­tored call, lat­er report­ed to have been with his girl­friend in Belarus.

    The video rolls, almost unin­ter­rupt­ed, for the next 11 hours. At 6:30 a.m., cor­rec­tions offi­cers can be seen rush­ing across the frame. The Jus­tice Depart­ment lat­er dis­closed that that’s when Epstein’s body was dis­cov­ered.

    Over the course of the night, the staff on duty failed to con­duct the required 30-minute check-ins on Epstein while he spent the night alone in his cell.

    Prison offi­cials had already deter­mined that he was a sui­cide risk — he had alleged­ly tried to kill him­self weeks ear­li­er, in mid-July. Because of this, under prison pro­to­col, he was assigned a room­mate. But that room­mate had been trans­ferred ear­li­er in the day and prison staff had not assigned him a new one.

    Two staff mem­bers, Tova Noel and Michael Thomas, were ulti­mate­ly charged with fal­si­fy­ing records, but the charges were lat­er dropped. There were no super­vi­sors or Bureau of Pris­ons offi­cials pun­ished for these alleged over­sights that pre­ced­ed the death of the high­est-pro­file pris­on­er in the facil­i­ty — per­haps in the entire fed­er­al prison sys­tem.

    ...

    Here are the incon­sis­ten­cies iden­ti­fied by CBS News:

    The FBI claimed “any­one enter­ing or attempt­ing to enter the tier where Epstein’s cell was locat­ed from the SHU com­mon area would have been cap­tured by this footage.”

    The video, cross-ref­er­enced with dia­grams of the Epstein hold­ing area, does not appear to sup­port that find­ing. That becomes obvi­ous in the first 10 min­utes of the video. Epstein’s cell was in the L Block, acces­si­ble via a stair­case from the Spe­cial Hous­ing Unit’s com­mon area. When Epstein appears on cam­era, he is seen walk­ing toward the stairs lead­ing to his cell, but since the stair­case is almost entire­ly out of view from the cam­era, he is nev­er seen ascend­ing.

    The entrance to Epstein’s cell, as well as the pri­ma­ry entrance to the SHU, are off cam­era in the same direc­tion, mean­ing there’s no way to tell from the video if he went to his cell or exit­ed the SHU.

    While brief move­ment is occa­sion­al­ly vis­i­ble on the stairs when some­one is walk­ing up the left side, the area remains most­ly obscured through­out the record­ing, mak­ing it impos­si­ble to deter­mine if some­one may have entered the SHU through the pri­ma­ry entrance and accessed the stair­case with­out ever being cap­tured on the record­ing.

    This appears to direct­ly con­tra­dict the FBI and the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s asser­tion and allows for the pos­si­bil­i­ty of unrecord­ed move­ment between those areas. With­out visu­al evi­dence, the case relies on the word of staff mem­bers Noel and Thomas that no one entered. At one point the Jus­tice Depart­ment not­ed both of them appeared to have fall­en asleep, although Noel denies this.

    Jim Stafford, a video foren­sics expert, reviewed the footage and the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report and told CBS News, “To say that there’s no way that some­one could get to that — the stair up to his room — with­out being seen is false.” Four oth­er lead­ing video foren­sics experts inter­viewed by CBS News con­curred.

    Experts ques­tion inves­ti­ga­tors’ inter­pre­ta­tion of orange shape mov­ing up the stairs.

    Just before 10:40 p.m., an orange shape is seen mov­ing up the stairs lead­ing to Epstein’s tier. The report says. “Through review and analy­sis of the SHU video footage, wit­ness state­ments, and BOP records, the OIG deter­mined that at approx­i­mate­ly 10:40 p.m. a CO [cor­rec­tions offi­cer], believed to be Noel, car­ried linen or inmate cloth­ing up to the L Tier, which was the last time any CO approached the only entrance to the SHU tier in which Epstein was housed.”

    Video foren­sic experts who reviewed that footage at the request of CBS News were skep­ti­cal about that inter­pre­ta­tion and sug­gest­ed that the shape could be a per­son dressed in an orange prison jump­suit climb­ing the stairs.

    Conor McCourt, a retired NYPD sergeant and foren­sic video expert, told CBS News, “Based on the lim­it­ed video, it’s more like­ly it’s a per­son in an [orange] uni­form.”

    A cur­sor and a menu appear on screen and the video is sped up.

    The Jus­tice Depart­ment said the FBI seized the pris­on’s dig­i­tal video recorder sys­tem, or DVR, con­tain­ing the raw footage five days after Epstein’s death. When fed­er­al offi­cials released the jail video, they attest­ed that it was “raw footage,” but the pres­ence of a cur­sor and onscreen menu raise ques­tions about that. Experts told CBS News those images indi­cate the video was like­ly a screen record­ing rather than an export direct­ly from a DVR sys­tem.

    Sev­er­al foren­sic experts CBS News spoke with, includ­ing Jim Stafford of Eclipse Foren­sic Ser­vices and Conor McCourt of McCourt Video Analy­sis, said they had not viewed sur­veil­lance footage in this for­mat. They said it was unlike­ly to have been an export of the raw footage and that instead, it appears to be two sep­a­rate video seg­ments that were stitched togeth­er.

    Stafford, who looked at the video using spe­cial­ized soft­ware to extract the under­ly­ing cod­ing, known as meta­da­ta, said the meta­da­ta showed that the file was first cre­at­ed on May 23 of this year and that it was like­ly a “screen cap­ture, not an actu­al export” of the raw file.

    ...

    Gov­ern­ment sources famil­iar with the inves­ti­ga­tion tell CBS News that the actu­al raw video is in pos­ses­sion of the FBI, but that it was not what the depart­ment released.

    A report by the web­site Wired had pre­vi­ous­ly alleged near­ly three min­utes of footage appeared to be miss­ing, based on the meta­da­ta. CBS News’ analy­sis found that because the video was run­ning at a slight­ly high­er speed, and with one minute miss­ing when the clock jumped ahead to mid­night, the video was actu­al­ly only 10 hours and 52 min­utes in length, as opposed to the full 11 hours.

    The “miss­ing minute.”

    The time counter burned into the video moves with­out inter­rup­tion until short­ly before mid­night. Then the time leaps for­ward by one minute with­out expla­na­tion. When the feed returns at 12 a.m., the video’s aspect ratio changes slight­ly, a bare­ly per­cep­ti­ble shift in view that experts said is anoth­er indi­ca­tion that the footage was edit­ed or reprocessed and is not raw.

    Dur­ing this minute, an unnamed staffer with the title Mate­ri­als Han­dler — on duty from 4 p.m. to mid­night — would have fin­ished his shift and, and is assumed to have left the unit.

    While there is noth­ing to sug­gest this action has any rel­e­vance to the events of that evening, the miss­ing stretch of time rais­es ques­tions about the val­ue of the video to con­clu­sive­ly deter­mine what occurred. There is no men­tion of a miss­ing minute in the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report.

    A gov­ern­ment source famil­iar with the inves­ti­ga­tion tells CBS News that Attor­ney Gen­er­al Pam Bon­di was incor­rect in her state­ment that the secu­ri­ty sys­tem had a night­ly reset result­ing in a lost minute every night.

    “There was a minute that was off that counter, and what we learned from Bureau of Pris­ons was every year, every night, they redo that video,” Bon­di said July 8, not­ing that the sys­tem was old. “Every night is reset, so every night should have that same miss­ing minute. So we’re look­ing for that video as well, to show it’s miss­ing every night.”

    But a high-lev­el gov­ern­ment source famil­iar with the inves­ti­ga­tion told CBS News that the FBI, the Bureau of Pris­ons and the Depart­ment of Jus­tice’s Office of Inspec­tor Gen­er­al are in pos­ses­sion of full unedit­ed copies of the video, and those copies do not have a miss­ing minute. Why Bon­di said that the video resets is not clear.

    In a state­ment to CBS News, the Bureau of Pris­ons said, “We can con­firm Attor­ney Gen­er­al Bondi’s state­ment.”

    At 12:05:48 a.m., an uniden­ti­fied indi­vid­ual pass­es through the SHU.

    The inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report says only two staff mem­bers entered the unit after mid­night: one is a cor­rec­tions offi­cer, iden­ti­fied only as “CO3,” and the oth­er is described as the Morn­ing Watch Oper­a­tions Lieu­tenant. The pres­ence of a third uniden­ti­fied indi­vid­ual seen on the video is not addressed by the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report.

    In one instance, the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report appears to con­flate the actions of Tova Noel with anoth­er female staff mem­ber.

    The report says Noel stat­ed she left Epstein alone in the show­er area, where he had made his unmon­i­tored phone call. She told offi­cials she left the area to use the restroom in an adjoin­ing area, and when she returned, Epstein had already been escort­ed to his cell by some­one else.

    But the video shows what appears to be Noel remain­ing in the unit and per­son­al­ly escort­ing Epstein to the stair­case lead­ing to his cell. There is anoth­er female staffer present, who is seen on cam­era exit­ing the unit just before Epstein is escort­ed. She returns short­ly after­ward.

    This dis­crep­an­cy occurs dur­ing a cru­cial time peri­od. Epstein had been allowed to make an unmon­i­tored call from a show­er area using a phone line intend­ed only for attor­ney com­mu­ni­ca­tions. Accord­ing to the report, this was facil­i­tat­ed by the unit man­ag­er, who was the senior offi­cer in charge. Epstein alleged­ly said he want­ed to call his moth­er — even though his moth­er died in 2003. The unit man­ag­er dialed a 646 num­ber (a New York City area code), a man answered, and he hand­ed the phone to Epstein. The unit man­ag­er then left the area but lat­er called and asked Noel to retrieve the phone.

    The Bureau of Pris­ons’ North­east region­al direc­tor lat­er told inves­ti­ga­tors that the unmon­i­tored call was extreme­ly con­cern­ing, stat­ing: “We don’t know what hap­pened on that phone. It could have poten­tial­ly led to the inci­dent [Epstein’s death], but we don’t — we will nev­er know.”

    Mul­ti­ple staff mem­bers are seen enter­ing the Epstein unit while Noel and Thomas remain vis­i­ble in the com­mon area.

    In assess­ing the video, Jus­tice Depart­ment offi­cials have said no one could have entered Epstein’s tier with­out being seen because (1) the stair­case was vis­i­ble on the tape, and (2) access to the SHU was only pos­si­ble by pass­ing through two locked doors, which are both off cam­era.

    One door is remote­ly oper­at­ed and one requires a phys­i­cal key, which Noel told inves­ti­ga­tors only she and Thomas pos­sessed. How­ev­er, the video shows sev­er­al indi­vid­u­als enter­ing and exit­ing while Thomas and Noel are seen nowhere near the door, or not present at all, con­tra­dict­ing her state­ment. As a result, there is no way to know from the video if it indeed was pos­si­ble for some­one to enter the unit and climb the stairs to Epstein’s cell with­out being seen.

    Were there oth­er cam­eras record­ing?

    In addi­tion to the cam­eras that failed to record oth­er angles of the SHU com­mon area, the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report states there were two addi­tion­al cam­eras record­ing events in the vicin­i­ty of the Epstein unit — one cov­er­ing an ele­va­tor bank used to trans­port inmates and anoth­er focused on a near­by guard desk.

    Nei­ther of those videos has been released, but a screen grab from one was includ­ed in the report.

    While fed­er­al offi­cials have dis­missed those record­ings as unhelp­ful in doc­u­ment­ing what occurred that night, experts told CBS News that those videos could add val­ue to the analy­sis. They could, for instance, help deter­mine whether the DVR sys­tem did in fact reset night­ly and con­sis­tent­ly lose one minute, as Attor­ney Gen­er­al Pam Bon­di has said — or pro­vide evi­dence to con­tra­dict her claim.

    ...

    Robert Hood, a for­mer Bureau of Pris­ons chief of inter­nal affairs and war­den of the Super­max facil­i­ty in Col­orado, said he has reviewed the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report, and in an email told CBS News: “In my opin­ion, the sum­ma­ry inves­tiga­tive reports don’t pro­vide ade­quate details con­cern­ing Epstein’s death. … The BOP’s new direc­tor (William Mar­shall) should pro­vide inter­nal inves­tiga­tive reports con­cern­ing the MCC involv­ing Epstein’s death and relat­ed his­tor­i­cal data at the jail.”

    Mark Epstein, Jef­frey Epstein’s younger broth­er, has long voiced his belief that his broth­er did not die by sui­cide, but was mur­dered. He spoke with CBS News and said with­out a record­ing of the cam­era in the actu­al tier where Epstein was housed, it is unclear if the door to his broth­er’s prison cell had been prop­er­ly locked or if oth­er pris­on­ers could have had access. That tier housed as many as 14 inmates and only three vol­un­tar­i­ly spoke to inves­ti­ga­tors, accord­ing to the IG report. Only one has been iden­ti­fied pub­licly by name.

    ————-

    “CBS News inves­ti­ga­tion of Jef­frey Epstein jail video reveals new dis­crep­an­cies” By Dan Ruetenik; CBS News; 07/29/2025

    “CBS News also dig­i­tal­ly recon­struct­ed the Spe­cial Hous­ing Unit, or SHU, where Epstein was held, using dia­grams and descrip­tions from the 2023 report on Epstein released by the Jus­tice Depart­ment inspec­tor gen­er­al. The CBS News review found the video does lit­tle to pro­vide evi­dence to sup­port claims that were lat­er made by fed­er­al offi­cials. Addi­tion­al­ly, CBS News has iden­ti­fied mul­ti­ple incon­sis­ten­cies between that report and the video that raise seri­ous ques­tions about the accu­ra­cy of wit­ness state­ments and the thor­ough­ness of the gov­ern­men­t’s inves­ti­ga­tion.

    The evi­dence just keeps pil­ing up: not only is the offi­cial inves­ti­ga­tion into the Epstein ‘sui­cide’ wild­ly flawed in terms of inad­e­qua­cies. It’s filled with so direct con­tra­dic­tions that we have to ques­tion the under­ly­ing accu­ra­cy of the wit­ness state­ments and evi­dence the inves­ti­ga­tion is based on. In oth­er words, we’re look­ing at a cov­er up. CBS News does­n’t explic­it­ly put it in those terms, but that’s clear­ly what we are look­ing at with this lat­est report. Start­ing with the fact that the video footage that we were repeat­ed­ly told cov­ers the entrances to the tier where Epstein was being hous­es does­n’t actu­al­ly cov­er all of the entrances. Instead, we find that one of the stair­cas­es lead­ing up to Epstein’s cell block only has a faint out­line of part of the stair­case vis­i­ble in the video. And we don’t have to spec­u­late whether or not some­one could ascend that stair­case with­out being seen on video. Jef­frey Epstein lit­er­al­ly does exact­ly that in the first 10 min­utes of the video, when he is seen walk­ing towards the stair­way but nev­er ascend­ing. And as the report also not­ed, the pri­ma­ry entrance to the SHU is also off cam­era which means some­one could have entered from that pri­ma­ry entrance, ascend­ing the stair­case, and then exit­ed with­out ever being caught on cam­era. As one foren­sics expert put it, “To say that there’s no way that some­one could get to that — the stair up to his room — with­out being seen is false.” And that’s just one of the glar­ing lies we’ve been told about this inves­ti­ga­tion:

    ...
    But a CBS News analy­sis of the video the FBI made pub­lic ear­li­er this month reveals that the record­ing does­n’t pro­vide a clear view of the entrance to Epstein’s cell block — one of sev­er­al con­tra­dic­tions between offi­cials’ descrip­tions of the video and the video itself.

    ...

    The silent sur­veil­lance video, which runs for near­ly 11 hours, pro­vides a nar­row win­dow into Epstein’s world dur­ing his last hours on earth. Staffers on duty that night in the Met­ro­pol­i­tan Cor­rec­tion­al Cen­ter car­ry blan­kets, fill out paper­work and occa­sion­al­ly appear to doze off.

    The grainy, pix­e­lat­ed footage shows two doors, a non­de­script blue trash can and a stair land­ing. Beyond the ban­is­ter, a third of the frame is filled with a bright, flu­o­res­cent-lit open area. A stair­case is vis­i­ble on the left, and in the back, a dark, blur­ry patch marks the cor­rec­tion­al offi­cer’s desk. To the right of the desk is the faint out­line of part of the stair­case lead­ing up to Epstein’s cell.

    ...

    The FBI claimed “any­one enter­ing or attempt­ing to enter the tier where Epstein’s cell was locat­ed from the SHU com­mon area would have been cap­tured by this footage.”

    The video, cross-ref­er­enced with dia­grams of the Epstein hold­ing area, does not appear to sup­port that find­ing. That becomes obvi­ous in the first 10 min­utes of the video. Epstein’s cell was in the L Block, acces­si­ble via a stair­case from the Spe­cial Hous­ing Unit’s com­mon area. When Epstein appears on cam­era, he is seen walk­ing toward the stairs lead­ing to his cell, but since the stair­case is almost entire­ly out of view from the cam­era, he is nev­er seen ascend­ing.

    The entrance to Epstein’s cell, as well as the pri­ma­ry entrance to the SHU, are off cam­era in the same direc­tion, mean­ing there’s no way to tell from the video if he went to his cell or exit­ed the SHU.

    While brief move­ment is occa­sion­al­ly vis­i­ble on the stairs when some­one is walk­ing up the left side, the area remains most­ly obscured through­out the record­ing, mak­ing it impos­si­ble to deter­mine if some­one may have entered the SHU through the pri­ma­ry entrance and accessed the stair­case with­out ever being cap­tured on the record­ing.

    This appears to direct­ly con­tra­dict the FBI and the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s asser­tion and allows for the pos­si­bil­i­ty of unrecord­ed move­ment between those areas. With­out visu­al evi­dence, the case relies on the word of staff mem­bers Noel and Thomas that no one entered. At one point the Jus­tice Depart­ment not­ed both of them appeared to have fall­en asleep, although Noel denies this.

    Jim Stafford, a video foren­sics expert, reviewed the footage and the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report and told CBS News, “To say that there’s no way that some­one could get to that — the stair up to his room — with­out being seen is false.” Four oth­er lead­ing video foren­sics experts inter­viewed by CBS News con­curred.
    ...

    Adding to the mys­tery is the fact that the SHU entrance had two doors. One remote­ly oper­at­ed and one that requires a phys­i­cal key. Tova Noel told inves­ti­ga­tors she and Michael Thomas were the only ones in pos­ses­sion of a phys­i­cal key. And yet mul­ti­ple peo­ple are seen enter­ing and exit­ing that door with­out Noel or Thomas being present at all. As a result, we have rea­son to sus­pect that it’s pos­si­ble peo­ple could have sur­rep­ti­tious­ly entered the SHU. Con­ve­nient­ly, these doors were not being cap­tured by any func­tion­ing cam­eras so we’re forced to spec­u­late:

    ...
    Mul­ti­ple staff mem­bers are seen enter­ing the Epstein unit while Noel and Thomas remain vis­i­ble in the com­mon area.

    In assess­ing the video, Jus­tice Depart­ment offi­cials have said no one could have entered Epstein’s tier with­out being seen because (1) the stair­case was vis­i­ble on the tape, and (2) access to the SHU was only pos­si­ble by pass­ing through two locked doors, which are both off cam­era.

    One door is remote­ly oper­at­ed and one requires a phys­i­cal key, which Noel told inves­ti­ga­tors only she and Thomas pos­sessed. How­ev­er, the video shows sev­er­al indi­vid­u­als enter­ing and exit­ing while Thomas and Noel are seen nowhere near the door, or not present at all, con­tra­dict­ing her state­ment. As a result, there is no way to know from the video if it indeed was pos­si­ble for some­one to enter the unit and climb the stairs to Epstein’s cell with­out being seen.
    ...

    And then we get to the dis­crep­an­cies in the tes­ti­monies of the guards and the ambi­gu­i­ty around the footage of peo­ple ascend­ing that obscured stair­case. In one case, an orange shape is seen mov­ing up the stairs at approx­i­mate­ly 10:40 pm. The OIG deter­mined that the orange shape was linen or inmate cloth­ing being car­ried up the stairs by one of the guards, Tova Noel. And yet the video foren­sic experts appeared to con­clude that the orange blob was like­ly a per­son dressed in an orange prison jump­suit. So it’s pos­si­ble a pris­on­er entered Epstein’s wing at 10:40 pm and the offi­cial inves­ti­ga­tion has some­how waved it away. Which makes this a good time to recall how Mark Epstein has long ques­tioned whether or not his broth­er may have been killed by anoth­er pris­on­er. As we saw, when the OIG released its report in June of 2023, that report assert­ed that the door to Epstein’s cell was locked and the oth­er pris­on­ers did­n’t have free­dom of move­ment. And yet, with all of these found dis­crep­an­cies in this inves­ti­ga­tion, it’s get­ting increas­ing­ly hard to even take those asser­tions about locked cell doors at face val­ue. And, of course, we have to engage in this spec­u­la­tion because the cam­eras direct­ly cov­er­ing Epstein’s cell just hap­pened to be non-func­tion­al and the footage was lost. What a coin­ci­dence:

    ...
    Sev­er­al cam­eras in the Spe­cial Hous­ing Unit were func­tion­ing but unmon­i­tored, the report said, and the gov­ern­ment has stat­ed that a fail­ure of the dig­i­tal video record­ing sys­tem result­ed in the loss of most of the footage from the night of Aug. 9–10, 2019, that would have pro­vid­ed a fuller view.

    ...

    Experts ques­tion inves­ti­ga­tors’ inter­pre­ta­tion of orange shape mov­ing up the stairs.

    Just before 10:40 p.m., an orange shape is seen mov­ing up the stairs lead­ing to Epstein’s tier. The report says. “Through review and analy­sis of the SHU video footage, wit­ness state­ments, and BOP records, the OIG deter­mined that at approx­i­mate­ly 10:40 p.m. a CO [cor­rec­tions offi­cer], believed to be Noel, car­ried linen or inmate cloth­ing up to the L Tier, which was the last time any CO approached the only entrance to the SHU tier in which Epstein was housed.”

    Video foren­sic experts who reviewed that footage at the request of CBS News were skep­ti­cal about that inter­pre­ta­tion and sug­gest­ed that the shape could be a per­son dressed in an orange prison jump­suit climb­ing the stairs.

    Conor McCourt, a retired NYPD sergeant and foren­sic video expert, told CBS News, “Based on the lim­it­ed video, it’s more like­ly it’s a per­son in an [orange] uni­form.”

    ...

    At 12:05:48 a.m., an uniden­ti­fied indi­vid­ual pass­es through the SHU.

    The inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report says only two staff mem­bers entered the unit after mid­night: one is a cor­rec­tions offi­cer, iden­ti­fied only as “CO3,” and the oth­er is described as the Morn­ing Watch Oper­a­tions Lieu­tenant. The pres­ence of a third uniden­ti­fied indi­vid­ual seen on the video is not addressed by the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report.

    ...

    Mark Epstein, Jef­frey Epstein’s younger broth­er, has long voiced his belief that his broth­er did not die by sui­cide, but was mur­dered. He spoke with CBS News and said with­out a record­ing of the cam­era in the actu­al tier where Epstein was housed, it is unclear if the door to his broth­er’s prison cell had been prop­er­ly locked or if oth­er pris­on­ers could have had access. That tier housed as many as 14 inmates and only three vol­un­tar­i­ly spoke to inves­ti­ga­tors, accord­ing to the IG report. Only one has been iden­ti­fied pub­licly by name.
    ...

    Then there’s the incred­i­ble unmon­i­tored phone call Epstein was allowed to make right before his one and only appear­ance in the video at 7:40 PM when he is escort­ed back to his cell. Amaz­ing­ly, it sounds like Epstein was allowed to call his girl­friend in Belarus using a phone line intend­ed only for attor­ney com­mu­ni­ca­tions. Recall how Epstein report­ed­ly had been meet­ing with his lawyers before he made the request to ‘call his moth­er’, mak­ing the use of a phone for attor­ney com­mu­ni­ca­tions all the more bizarre. Epstein was­n’t sup­posed to be allowed to make a call like that. And yet it hap­pened, just hours before his death. And as we can see, while Tova Noel told offi­cials that some­one else escort­ed Epstein back to his cell, the video shows Noel doing the escort­ing. It’s a strange detail to lie about, but keep in mind that this is the last time Epstein is spot­ted on video:

    ...
    The video that was released begins at 7:40 p.m. Nine min­utes lat­er, accord­ing to the report of the Jus­tice Depart­ment inspec­tor gen­er­al, Epstein appears for the first and last time on cam­era. He emerges from the left side of the screen and walks down a stair­well accom­pa­nied by a cor­rec­tions offi­cer. Employ­ees told inves­ti­ga­tors that Epstein had just fin­ished an unmon­i­tored call, lat­er report­ed to have been with his girl­friend in Belarus.

    ...

    In one instance, the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report appears to con­flate the actions of Tova Noel with anoth­er female staff mem­ber.

    The report says Noel stat­ed she left Epstein alone in the show­er area, where he had made his unmon­i­tored phone call. She told offi­cials she left the area to use the restroom in an adjoin­ing area, and when she returned, Epstein had already been escort­ed to his cell by some­one else.

    But the video shows what appears to be Noel remain­ing in the unit and per­son­al­ly escort­ing Epstein to the stair­case lead­ing to his cell. There is anoth­er female staffer present, who is seen on cam­era exit­ing the unit just before Epstein is escort­ed. She returns short­ly after­ward.

    This dis­crep­an­cy occurs dur­ing a cru­cial time peri­od. Epstein had been allowed to make an unmon­i­tored call from a show­er area using a phone line intend­ed only for attor­ney com­mu­ni­ca­tions. Accord­ing to the report, this was facil­i­tat­ed by the unit man­ag­er, who was the senior offi­cer in charge. Epstein alleged­ly said he want­ed to call his moth­er — even though his moth­er died in 2003. The unit man­ag­er dialed a 646 num­ber (a New York City area code), a man answered, and he hand­ed the phone to Epstein. The unit man­ag­er then left the area but lat­er called and asked Noel to retrieve the phone.

    The Bureau of Pris­ons’ North­east region­al direc­tor lat­er told inves­ti­ga­tors that the unmon­i­tored call was extreme­ly con­cern­ing, stat­ing: “We don’t know what hap­pened on that phone. It could have poten­tial­ly led to the inci­dent [Epstein’s death], but we don’t — we will nev­er know.”
    ...

    And when we see how charges were ulti­mate­ly dropped and Noel and Thomas while no oth­er prison offi­cials were pun­ished at all, recall how Tova and Noel fal­si­fied the records of their required check-ins exten­sive­ly. Also recall how they had to do those 30-minute check-ins because of a pri­or appar­ent sui­cide attempt which also result­ed in Epstein get­ting a new cell­mate, Efrain Reyes. But Reyes was released on the morn­ing of August 9. A new cell­mate was expect­ed but none was ever pro­vid­ed. It was a cas­cade of ‘mis­takes’ and out­right fraud that led up to Epstein’s death. And no one was pun­ished:

    ...
    The video rolls, almost unin­ter­rupt­ed, for the next 11 hours. At 6:30 a.m., cor­rec­tions offi­cers can be seen rush­ing across the frame. The Jus­tice Depart­ment lat­er dis­closed that that’s when Epstein’s body was dis­cov­ered.

    Over the course of the night, the staff on duty failed to con­duct the required 30-minute check-ins on Epstein while he spent the night alone in his cell.

    Prison offi­cials had already deter­mined that he was a sui­cide risk — he had alleged­ly tried to kill him­self weeks ear­li­er, in mid-July. Because of this, under prison pro­to­col, he was assigned a room­mate. But that room­mate had been trans­ferred ear­li­er in the day and prison staff had not assigned him a new one.

    Two staff mem­bers, Tova Noel and Michael Thomas, were ulti­mate­ly charged with fal­si­fy­ing records, but the charges were lat­er dropped. There were no super­vi­sors or Bureau of Pris­ons offi­cials pun­ished for these alleged over­sights that pre­ced­ed the death of the high­est-pro­file pris­on­er in the facil­i­ty — per­haps in the entire fed­er­al prison sys­tem.
    ...

    And then we get to the grow­ing num­ber of dis­crep­an­cies around the ‘raw footage’ released by the DOJ. As we’ve learned, it was­n’t raw footage and was­n’t com­plete. Instead, the released ‘raw footage’ was com­prised of two video files seem­ing­ly stitched togeth­er at the mid­night hour, with a miss­ing minute right before mid­night. Attor­ney Gen­er­al Pam Bon­di assured the world that this was all a nor­mal part of how the video sys­tem worked and a minute was miss­ing every night before mid­night for all of the cam­eras. Then we learned that the first part of that ‘raw footage’ lead­ing up to mid­night was actu­al­ly miss­ing almost three min­utes, which strong­ly indi­cat­ed that the ‘miss­ing minute’ actu­al­ly exists. And now we’re learn­ing that an unnamed staffer with the title Mate­ri­als Han­dler was on duty from 4 pm to mid­night and it is assumed he left the unit dur­ing that miss­ing minute. Beyond that, sources close to the inves­ti­ga­tion are now acknowl­edg­ing that Bon­di basi­cal­ly lied when she claimed this miss­ing minute is just a nor­mal thing. Instead, it sounds like inves­ti­ga­tors are in pos­ses­sion of full raw footage with­out the miss­ing minute. So that was a bla­tant lie, seem­ing­ly intend­ed to cov­er up footage of the Mate­ri­als Han­dler leav­ing Epstein’s cell­block right before mid­night. Why try to hide this? Well, keep in mind what we already saw: the path­way from the entrance of the SHU to that most­ly obscured stair­case was off-cam­era and some­one could have entered and left the SHU with­out being seen. So if this Mate­ri­als Han­dler exit­ed dur­ing that minute and head­ed straight for that exit, it’s pos­si­ble that it’s a very obscured exit but still notice­able, which, in turn, would have made the poten­tial for a com­plete­ly obscured entrance/exit much more clear to the pub­lic. In oth­er words, the sus­pi­cious part would­n’t nec­es­sary be that this employ­ee was leav­ing right before mid­night. Instead, the sus­pi­cious part would be the fact that we might bare­ly be able to see that it hap­pened, rais­ing all sorts of ques­tions about what we could­n’t see:

    ...
    The “miss­ing minute.”

    The time counter burned into the video moves with­out inter­rup­tion until short­ly before mid­night. Then the time leaps for­ward by one minute with­out expla­na­tion. When the feed returns at 12 a.m., the video’s aspect ratio changes slight­ly, a bare­ly per­cep­ti­ble shift in view that experts said is anoth­er indi­ca­tion that the footage was edit­ed or reprocessed and is not raw.

    Dur­ing this minute, an unnamed staffer with the title Mate­ri­als Han­dler — on duty from 4 p.m. to mid­night — would have fin­ished his shift and, and is assumed to have left the unit.

    While there is noth­ing to sug­gest this action has any rel­e­vance to the events of that evening, the miss­ing stretch of time rais­es ques­tions about the val­ue of the video to con­clu­sive­ly deter­mine what occurred. There is no men­tion of a miss­ing minute in the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report.

    A gov­ern­ment source famil­iar with the inves­ti­ga­tion tells CBS News that Attor­ney Gen­er­al Pam Bon­di was incor­rect in her state­ment that the secu­ri­ty sys­tem had a night­ly reset result­ing in a lost minute every night.

    “There was a minute that was off that counter, and what we learned from Bureau of Pris­ons was every year, every night, they redo that video,” Bon­di said July 8, not­ing that the sys­tem was old. “Every night is reset, so every night should have that same miss­ing minute. So we’re look­ing for that video as well, to show it’s miss­ing every night.”

    But a high-lev­el gov­ern­ment source famil­iar with the inves­ti­ga­tion told CBS News that the FBI, the Bureau of Pris­ons and the Depart­ment of Jus­tice’s Office of Inspec­tor Gen­er­al are in pos­ses­sion of full unedit­ed copies of the video, and those copies do not have a miss­ing minute. Why Bon­di said that the video resets is not clear.

    In a state­ment to CBS News, the Bureau of Pris­ons said, “We can con­firm Attor­ney Gen­er­al Bondi’s state­ment.”
    ...

    And then we learn about two oth­er cam­eras in the vicin­i­ty that were work­ing. We are told that the cam­eras pro­vide no use­ful infor­ma­tion. And yet, as experts observe, there’s one very use­ful piece of infor­ma­tion they could have revealed: whether or not there real­ly is a ‘miss­ing minute’ built into the secu­ri­ty cam­era sys­tem. Now, at this point we’ve basi­cal­ly been told by anony­mous insid­ers that, yes, the miss­ing minute exists. But also keep in mind that with a “Mate­ri­als Man­ag­er” appar­ent­ly leav­ing at mid­night it’s pos­si­ble that would have been cap­tured too. But it’s going to be inter­est­ing to see if the DOJ ever releas­es that addi­tion­al footage. At this point it would be sus­pi­cious if they did­n’t:

    ...
    Were there oth­er cam­eras record­ing?

    In addi­tion to the cam­eras that failed to record oth­er angles of the SHU com­mon area, the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report states there were two addi­tion­al cam­eras record­ing events in the vicin­i­ty of the Epstein unit — one cov­er­ing an ele­va­tor bank used to trans­port inmates and anoth­er focused on a near­by guard desk.

    Nei­ther of those videos has been released, but a screen grab from one was includ­ed in the report.

    While fed­er­al offi­cials have dis­missed those record­ings as unhelp­ful in doc­u­ment­ing what occurred that night, experts told CBS News that those videos could add val­ue to the analy­sis. They could, for instance, help deter­mine whether the DVR sys­tem did in fact reset night­ly and con­sis­tent­ly lose one minute, as Attor­ney Gen­er­al Pam Bon­di has said — or pro­vide evi­dence to con­tra­dict her claim.
    ...

    Final­ly, note how Robert Hood, a for­mer Bureau of Pris­ons chief of inter­nal affairs and war­den of the Super­max facil­i­ty in Col­orado, review the OIG report and basi­cal­ly called for the new Bureau of Pris­on’s direc­tor to con­duct a new inves­ti­ga­tion:

    ...
    Robert Hood, a for­mer Bureau of Pris­ons chief of inter­nal affairs and war­den of the Super­max facil­i­ty in Col­orado, said he has reviewed the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report, and in an email told CBS News: “In my opin­ion, the sum­ma­ry inves­tiga­tive reports don’t pro­vide ade­quate details con­cern­ing Epstein’s death. … The BOP’s new direc­tor (William Mar­shall) should pro­vide inter­nal inves­tiga­tive reports con­cern­ing the MCC involv­ing Epstein’s death and relat­ed his­tor­i­cal data at the jail.”
    ...

    Don’t hold your breath wait­ing for that new inves­ti­ga­tion. At the same time, it’s pret­ty clear that this sto­ry isn’t going away. Espe­cial­ly since, the more we learn, the worse it gets. A fes­ter­ing in-your-face coverup, taunt­ing the world with the bla­tant awful­ness we can all see. And the even worse stuff we aren’t allowed see, no mat­ter how absurd the coverup gets.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | July 31, 2025, 5:26 pm
  8. They found the miss­ing minute. Mys­tery solved. Well, not real­ly. We still have zero idea why the footage of the Spe­cial Hous­ing Unit (SHU) on the night Jef­frey Epstein died had a miss­ing minute right before mid­night in the first place. Nor do we know why Attor­ney Gen­er­al Pam Bon­di decid­ed to com­plete­ly lie and insist that this was just a nor­mal part of the secu­ri­ty sys­tem that hap­pens every night. But we now have that miss­ing minute, thanks to Con­gress.

    So what does the miss­ing minute con­tain? Not much, although it does give us an answer regard­ing one mys­tery: the miss­ing mate­ri­als han­dler. Recall how it was pre­vi­ous­ly spec­u­lat­ed that the miss­ing minute might con­tain the exit of the mate­ri­als han­dler, who was just fin­ish­ing up his 8 hour shift that end­ed at mid­night. But also recall how we learned that it was very pos­si­ble for some­one to have used the stairs lead­ing up to Epstein’s tier with­out being caught on cam­era at all, rais­ing the ques­tion of whether or not the mate­ri­als man­ager’s exit was going to get cap­tured by the video cam­eras. It was even pos­si­ble for some­one to have used the main entrance to the SHU and the stair­way up to the tier where Epstein was held with­out being caught on cam­era at all, rais­ing the pos­si­bil­i­ty that some­one could have entered the SHU, went up to Epstein’s tier, and then left with­out being cap­tured on cam­era at all. That glar­ing hole in the sur­veil­lance footage is part of the con­text of that miss­ing minute because if the mate­ri­als man­ag­er was nev­er caught on cam­era leav­ing at all it would be evi­dence of the abil­i­ty for some­one to leave the SHU out­side of the cam­er­a’s view.

    Well, it turns out the mate­ri­als han­dler can be seen walk­ing away from the guard desk dur­ing this miss­ing minute, walk­ing off screen head­ing in the direc­tion of the SHU’s main entrance. No expla­na­tion has been pro­vid­ed for why the minute was miss­ing in the first place. Notably, while we are told the mate­ri­als man­ag­er does pass in front of the stairs lead­ing to Epstein’s tier, we are also told he does not appear to be approach­ing the cells where Epstein resided, but instead seemed to be head­ing out of the SHU. But the fact that we have to infer where he was head­ing is part of this over­all scan­dal. Because for all we know, maybe this employ­ee head­ed up to Epstein’s tier, com­mit­ted a mur­der, and then left, all with­out being cap­tured on cam­era. Or maybe some­one else entered and left. We have no idea but this should­n’t be an area of spec­u­la­tion and the fact that we have to spec­u­late at all — thanks to the abun­dance of bro­ken cam­eras — is implic­it­ly sus­pi­cious. So while the footage of the mate­ri­als han­dler does answer the ques­tion of where was that footage of this employ­ee leav­ing, it also under­scores the major holes in the cam­er­a’s abil­i­ty to cap­ture who was com­ing and going from that facil­i­ty.

    So it would appear the ongo­ing alle­ga­tions of foul play by Jef­frey Epstein’s broth­er, Mark Epstein, keep gath­er­ing strength. The more we learn the worse it gets. So it’s worth not­ing anoth­er very inter­est­ing angle to this sto­ry involv­ing Mark Epstein: it turns out Mark was much more involved in his broth­er’s ‘busi­ness’ than gen­er­al­ly rec­og­nized. It’s an involve­ment that becomes appar­ent when we look at the very inter­est­ing and mys­te­ri­ous his­to­ry sur­round­ing the Man­hat­tan prop­er­ty that served as Epstein’s New York res­i­dence from 1996 until the time of his 2018 arrest. Recall how Busi­ness Insid­er had a piece in 2009 sug­gest­ing Epstein may have been run­ning a Bernie Mad­off-style ponzi scheme. In fact, one of his ear­ly employ­ers in the finance sec­tor, Steve Hof­fen­berg, was con­vict­ed of run­ning one of the largest ponzi schemes in US his­to­ry. Then there’s weird­ness sur­round­ing his Man­hat­tan Town­house. Epstein some­how pur­chased, or received, his Man­hat­tan town­house from Wexn­er in the mid-90s, but there were no prop­er­ty records on the trans­fer until 2011 when the com­pa­ny Wexn­er used to the buy the place trans­ferred it to an Epstein-owned com­pa­ny for $0. Epstein signed the doc­u­ment for both sides. Epstein was basi­cal­ly giv­en his Man­hat­tan man­sion by Les Wexn­er. Why?

    Well, while we don’t have answers to that ‘why’, a 2019 inves­ti­ga­tion by Crain’s New York found a very intrigu­ing trail of real estate trans­ac­tions involv­ing that estate, along with the adja­cent prop­er­ty. It start­ed in 1988, when an enti­ty called SAM Con­ver­sion Corp pur­chased the adja­cent estate, 11 East 71st Street. Bob Knakal, the real estate agent for the sell­ers, revealed the who sold that prop­er­ty in a short Youtube post in Jan­u­ary of this year: the Rolling Stones. It was the Rollings Stones’ crash pad for when they were in the NYC area, filled with foos­ball tables, pool tables, and lots of alco­hol. So in 1988, the Rolling Stones’ crash pad was sold to SAM Con­ver­sion Corp. The next year, a Nine East 71st Street Corp. pur­chased the adja­cent 9 East 71st Street prop­er­ty. Both SAM Con­ver­sion and Nine East 71st Street Corps used the same Colum­bus, Ohio, address asso­ci­at­ed with Leslie Wexn­er’s Lim­it­ed Brands. Then, in 1992, SAM Con­ver­sion Corp ‘sold’ the 11 E. 71st Street prop­er­ty to 11 East 71st Street Trust. Sale doc­u­ments show Jef­frey Epstein list­ed as both the vice pres­i­dent of Sam Con­ver­sion Corp. and a trustee of the 11 East 71st Street Trust, which also uses the same Colum­bus, Ohio, address.

    So Wexn­er and Epstein joint­ly pur­chase both the Rolling Stones’ for­mer crash pad and also the much adja­cent larg­er estate. But it does­n’t appear that any­one is actu­al­ly using the estates until Epstein moves into the 9 E. 71st St prop­er­ty in 1996. That same year, 11 East 71st Street Trust sells the 11 E. 71st St prop­er­ty to Comet Trust. This turns out to be a very inter­est­ing enti­ty. Comet Trust is one of the fam­i­ly trusts set up for the Bronf­man fam­i­ly for­tune which is par­tic­u­lar­ly notable in part because Edgar Bronf­man Jr.‘s name shows up in Epstein’s “black book”.

    The trustee man­ag­ing Comet Trust is also rather notable: Gui­do Gold­man, founder of the Ger­man Mar­shall Fund. As we’ve seen, the Ger­man Mar­shall Fund has been char­ac­ter­ized by Paul Man­ning as a pub­lic rela­tions front for Ger­man indus­tri­al inter­ests under the guise of a think-tank. In oth­er words, the guy han­dling the Bronf­man fam­i­ly’s trust fund helped estab­lish an Under­ground Reich pub­lic rela­tions enti­ty. And that’s who got to pur­chase the estate imme­di­ate­ly adja­cent to Epstein’s black­mail man­sion. While the exact price isn’t known, the tax­es paid sug­gest a $6.2 mil­lion price tag.

    Then, in 1998, Comet Trust sells the prop­er­ty to none oth­er than Howard Lut­nick, Pres­i­dent Trump’s cur­rent Sec­re­tary of Com­merce, for an esti­mat­ed $7.6 mil­lion. So Lut­nick and Epstein were imme­di­ate neigh­bors for rough­ly two decades before Epstein’s 2018. As we should expect, Lut­nick now insists he had no per­son­al rela­tion­ship or even con­tact with Epstein at all.

    While Epstein used the 9 E. 71st St as his per­son­al res­i­dence up until his 2018 arrest, the prop­er­ty has its own­er­ship again trans­ferred in 2011 to a Maple Inc enti­ty. The sig­na­ture for the buy­er and sell­er in that trans­ac­tion are iden­ti­cal. The Nine East 71st Street Corp. became inac­tive in 2015 and records show Jef­frey Epstein was the CEO at the time.

    Now here’s where Mark Epstein fig­ures into the sto­ry: the list­ed address for Nine East 71st Street Corp. was unit 10F at 301 E. 66th St. That unit and build­ing belong to 301/66 Own­ers Corp, an affil­i­ate of Ossa Prop­er­ties, Mark Epstein’s real estate com­pa­ny. Yes, Mark Epstein’s real estate com­pa­ny owned the prop­er­ty list­ed as the head­quar­ters for the enti­ty that owned Jef­frey’s 9 E. 71st St res­i­dence. But beyond that, lawyers for some of Epstein’s vic­tims claim that Epstein even rent­ed out apart­ments at the 301 E. 66th St. build­ing for some of his vic­tims. So it would appear Mark Epstein’s prop­er­ty was at least indi­rect­ly involved with his broth­er’s sex traf­fick­ing activ­i­ties. Which could at least in part explain Mark’s keen inter­est in expos­ing the appar­ent mur­der of his broth­er. Don’t for­get that it was Mark who hired foren­sic pathol­o­gist Michael Baden to attend his broth­er’s autop­sy, with Baden con­clud­ing that it looked like a homi­cide.

    But there’s anoth­er mys­tery in this sequence of events: The 11 E. 71st and 11 E. 71st Street build­ings were pur­chased in 1988 and 1989, but Jef­frey did­n’t move into his 9 E 71st St res­i­dence until 1996, the same year the 11 E. 71st res­i­dence was sold to Comet Trust. But there’s no pub­lic record of Epstein, or Wexn­er, or any­one using the 11 E. 71st res­i­dence at all dur­ing this peri­od despite the 11 E. 71st build­ing hav­ing pre­vi­ous­ly served as crash pad for the Rolling Stones. What was that 11 E. 71st build­ing even used for dur­ing that 8 year peri­od? And what about the 9 E. 71st prop­er­ty next door? The build­ing had been a pri­vate school when Wexn­er pur­chased it in 1989, so it’s not hard to imag­ine there was exten­sive work done on the prop­er­ty. Includ­ing all of the spe­cial­ized work that would have been includ­ed in the process of turn­ing the estate into a black­mail hub. Hid­den cam­eras and asso­ci­at­ed tech­nol­o­gy. But was it just get­ting refur­bished dur­ing that entire 89–96 peri­od? Were any par­ties thrown there? Spe­cial events? We have no idea. But, again, the 11 E. 71st build­ing had just been the Rolling Stones’ NYC crash pad when they pur­chased it. That seems like a great place to throw an elite par­ty. And don’t for­get that Epstein’s par­ty days with Don­ald Trump over­lapped with the late 80s and ear­ly 90s. If there were par­ties being thrown at these prop­er­ties, there’s a good chance Pres­i­dent Trump was there.

    That’s all part of the con­text of the ongo­ing scan­dal involv­ing the impris­on­ment and sub­se­quent appar­ent mur­der of Jef­frey Epstein in a fed­er­al prison. We now have the ‘miss­ing minute’. And yet that miss­ing minute only serves to under­score the fact that peo­ple were capa­ble of enter­ing and leav­ing Epstein’s tier of the prison with­out being caught on cam­era. The kind of sce­nario Mark Epstein has been warn­ing about. But then there’s the ongo­ing mys­tery around the Man­hat­tan real estate deals. A mys­tery that includes what these two prop­er­ties were even being used for before Jef­frey moved into the 9 E 71st St res­i­dence in 1996, the same year the 11 E 71st prop­er­ty was sold to Comet Trust, a Bronf­man fam­i­ly trust man­aged by Gui­do Gold­man, the founder of the Ger­man Mar­shall Fund. Two years lat­er, Comet Trust sells the prop­er­ty to Howard Lut­nick who would spend the next two decades as Epstein’s New York neigh­bor. And it turns out one of the trusts used by Epstein and Wexn­er to pur­chase the 9 E 71st St res­i­dent was locat­ed in a build­ing owned by Mark Epstein’s Ossa Prop­er­ties. A build­ing where Jef­frey would rent apart­ments for use by his vic­tims. The more we learn, the more mys­te­ri­ous it gets:

    CBS News

    What the “miss­ing minute” in the Jef­frey Epstein jail video shows

    By Dan Ruetenik
    Sep­tem­ber 3, 2025 / 7:39 PM EDT / CBS News

    The so-called “miss­ing minute” from the secu­ri­ty cam­era video of the jail tier where the infa­mous sex­u­al preda­tor Jef­frey Epstein died is no longer miss­ing.

    ...

    But a more com­plete ver­sion of the video made pub­lic by Con­gress Tues­day includes that miss­ing minute of footage, con­tra­dict­ing Bondi’s expla­na­tion and pour­ing cold water on wild the­o­ries about what occurred dur­ing that short stretch inside the Met­ro­pol­i­tan Cor­rec­tion­al Cen­ter, where Epstein was held. CBS News has reached out to the Jus­tice Depart­ment for com­ment.

    What is clear now from the new­ly released ver­sion of footage is that noth­ing appar­ent­ly unusu­al occurs dur­ing that inter­val.

    The Depart­ment of Jus­tice’s Office of Inspec­tor Gen­er­al report­ed in 2023 that between 4 p.m. and mid­night the night of Aug. 9, 2019, respon­si­bil­i­ty for rounds and inmate counts in the Spe­cial Hous­ing Unit most­ly fell to two staff mem­bers: Tova Noel, a cor­rec­tions offi­cer, and anoth­er employ­ee iden­ti­fied only by the title “Mate­r­i­al Han­dler.”

    The mate­r­i­al han­dler was work­ing his third con­sec­u­tive 8‑hour shift. Just after 11:59 p.m., a man, believed to be that mate­r­i­al han­dler, walks away from the guard desk and walks off screen in the direc­tion of the main entrance to the Spe­cial Hous­ing Unit or SHU. That fig­ure is like­ly fin­ish­ing his shift and head­ing home. While he does pass in front of the stairs lead­ing to Epstein’s tier, he does not appear to be approach­ing the cells where Epstein resided, but instead seemed to be head­ing out of the SHU.

    ...

    ———-

    “What the “miss­ing minute” in the Jef­frey Epstein jail video shows” By Dan Ruetenik; CBS News; 09/03/2025

    Well, that’s our answer. Or as close to an answer as we’re going to get. The mate­r­i­al han­dler did indeed leave dur­ing that miss­ing minute. We have no idea why exact­ly this was cut out from the begin­ning but it’s notable for the fact that the dis­ap­pear­ance of the employ­ee demon­strates the real­i­ty that the exit to the SHU was off cam­era and, there­fore, some­one could have entered and exit­ed the SHU — and even accessed the stairs to Epstein’s tier — with­out ever being caught on cam­era. It’s a seem­ing con­fir­ma­tion of the kind of mur­der sce­nario Mark Epstein has been warn­ing about.

    Next, here’s a look at one of chap­ters of this sto­ry that also ties back to Mark Epstein: the mys­te­ri­ous Man­hat­tan prop­er­ty pur­chas­es that result­ed in Epstein being effec­tive­ly giv­en the man­sion at 9 E 71st Street in 1996 to make into his per­son­al res­i­dence and end­ed with Howard Lut­nick as his long-time neigh­bor:

    Newsweek

    Howard Lut­nick­’s Ties to Jef­frey Epstein Come Under Scruti­ny

    Don­ald Trump Attacks His Own Sup­port­ers Over Jef­frey Epstein Inter­est

    By Hugh Cameron
    Pub­lished Jul 16, 2025 at 12:14 PM EDT

    Howard Lut­nick­’s real estate ties to financier and child sex offend­er Jef­frey Epstein are once again draw­ing scruti­ny, giv­en the com­merce sec­re­tary’s appar­ent sup­port for Pres­i­dent Don­ald Trump’s dis­missal of what he described as “the Epstein case.”

    A 2019 inves­ti­ga­tion by Crain’s found that Epstein—in addi­tion to his infa­mous town­house at 9 East 71st Street in Man­hat­tan, also known as the Her­bert N. Straus House—had sig­nif­i­cant links to the adja­cent prop­er­ty, which real estate records show is still owned by Lut­nick.

    When approached for com­ment on the prop­er­ty and Lut­nick­’s rela­tion­ship with his for­mer neigh­bor, the Com­merce Depart­ment told Newsweek that the pair “had no per­son­al rela­tion­ship, con­tact, or direct deal­ings.”

    ...

    Lut­nick­’s own links to Epstein stem from over­lap­ping prop­er­ty inter­ests, and do not indi­cate any inter­ac­tions or past rela­tion­ship between the pair. How­ev­er, the details have nonethe­less gar­nered sig­nif­i­cant inter­est on social media, with promi­nent accounts shar­ing the infor­ma­tion and their posts amass­ing mil­lions of views. Many are point­ing to the find­ings as fur­ther rea­son to scru­ti­nize the admin­is­tra­tion’s reluc­tance to pro­vide full trans­paren­cy over the financier’s past con­nec­tions and the cir­cum­stances sur­round­ing his death.

    What To Know

    The prop­er­ty at 11 E. 71st St. is sit­u­at­ed east of Fifth Avenue, on the Upper East Side of Man­hat­tan. In 2015, Lut­nick, then CEO of finan­cial ser­vices firm Can­tor Fitzger­ald, host­ed a fundrais­er for Demo­c­ra­t­ic Pri­ma­ry can­di­date Hillary Clin­ton at the 10,000-square-foot home, and real estate records still list him as the prop­er­ty’s own­er.

    In addi­tion to being his neigh­bor, real estate records show that Epstein was also list­ed as an own­er of the prop­er­ty pri­or to Lut­nick pur­chas­ing it in 1998.

    As first revealed in Crain’s 2019 inves­ti­ga­tion, a now-dis­solved enti­ty with links to Epstein called SAM Con­ver­sion Corp. bought 11 E. 71st St. in 1988. It was lat­er sold for an unknown con­sid­er­a­tion to a spe­cial­ized trust, then to anoth­er, the Comet Trust, in 1996. The lat­ter, Crain’s found, had finan­cial and famil­ial ties to an indi­vid­ual whose name appeared in Epstein’s “black book” of con­tacts, obtained by the FBI dur­ing its inves­ti­ga­tion.

    In addi­tion, prop­er­ty records seen by Newsweek show that Epstein was list­ed as the trustee of the build­ing dur­ing these trans­ac­tions and trans­fers, while play­ing a direct role in them. Epstein grant­ed his lawyer Jef­frey Schantz pow­er of attor­ney over the prop­er­ty in 1996, sell­ing it to the Comet Trust a few weeks lat­er.

    In 1998, the Comet Trust sold the prop­er­ty to Lut­nick, who took out a $4 mil­lion mort­gage for the pur­chase, which was paid off in 2018.

    ...

    ———-

    “Howard Lut­nick­’s Ties to Jef­frey Epstein Come Under Scruti­ny” By Hugh Cameron; Newsweek; 07/16/2025

    “When approached for com­ment on the prop­er­ty and Lut­nick­’s rela­tion­ship with his for­mer neigh­bor, the Com­merce Depart­ment told Newsweek that the pair “had no per­son­al rela­tion­ship, con­tact, or direct deal­ings.”

    No per­son­al rela­tion­ship, con­tact, or direct deal­ings. That’s the line Howard Lut­nick is going with in describ­ing his rela­tion­ship with some­one who had been his imme­di­ate neigh­bor for two decades before Epstein’s 2018 arrest. Is that a plau­si­ble answer? It’s not like any­one thinks Lut­nick and Epstein were close per­son­al par­ty bud­dies as was the case with Trump and Epstein. But it pret­ty hard to believe the two had no per­son­al con­tact. They had to cross paths every once in a while. But Lut­nick­’s rela­tion­ship with Epstein is just one of the many ques­tions swirling around the 11 E. 71st St. that has been Lut­nick­’s home since his 1998 pur­chase. Because as we’re going to see, it’s very unclear what that prop­er­ty was used for at all after its 1988 pur­chase and even­tu­al 1998 sale to Lut­nick. One of the primest pieces of Man­hat­tan real estate — the Rolling Stones’ for­mer crash pad — went on to have a mys­tery decade. Part of that mys­tery involves the fact that Epstein was list­ed as an own­er of both 11 E. 71st St. and the adja­cent 9 E. 71st St. before the 11 E. 71st St. prop­er­ty was sold to Comet Trust in 1996. So Epstein had some sort of mys­te­ri­ous own­er­ship to the Rolling Stones’s for­mer NYC crash pad from 1988–1996. Then Comet Trust holds onto the prop­er­ty for a cou­ple of years before sell­ing it to Lut­nick in 1998. What was the for­mer Rolling Stone crash pad get­ting used for dur­ing this peri­od?

    ...
    In addi­tion to being his neigh­bor, real estate records show that Epstein was also list­ed as an own­er of the prop­er­ty pri­or to Lut­nick pur­chas­ing it in 1998.

    As first revealed in Crain’s 2019 inves­ti­ga­tion, a now-dis­solved enti­ty with links to Epstein called SAM Con­ver­sion Corp. bought 11 E. 71st St. in 1988. It was lat­er sold for an unknown con­sid­er­a­tion to a spe­cial­ized trust, then to anoth­er, the Comet Trust, in 1996. The lat­ter, Crain’s found, had finan­cial and famil­ial ties to an indi­vid­ual whose name appeared in Epstein’s “black book” of con­tacts, obtained by the FBI dur­ing its inves­ti­ga­tion.

    In addi­tion, prop­er­ty records seen by Newsweek show that Epstein was list­ed as the trustee of the build­ing dur­ing these trans­ac­tions and trans­fers, while play­ing a direct role in them. Epstein grant­ed his lawyer Jef­frey Schantz pow­er of attor­ney over the prop­er­ty in 1996, sell­ing it to the Comet Trust a few weeks lat­er.

    In 1998, the Comet Trust sold the prop­er­ty to Lut­nick, who took out a $4 mil­lion mort­gage for the pur­chase, which was paid off in 2018.
    ...

    Next, here’s a look at that 2019 Crain’s report on those mys­te­ri­ous Man­hat­tan real estate deals. Part of the mys­tery involves Mark Epstein’s Ossa Prop­er­ties. But there’s also the mys­tery of whether or not Comet Trust, and then Howard Lut­nick, were select­ed to be neigh­bors for what was ulti­mate­ly a high­ly sen­si­tive oper­a­tion:

    Crain’s New York

    Unrav­el­ing the web of Epstein’s Man­hat­tan real estate

    Will Bred­der­man
    July 11, 2019 01:35 PM

    The epi­cen­ter of the scan­dal engulf­ing wealthy pedophile Jef­frey Epstein is his man­sion on East 71st Street, but real estate records show he also has been involved in his bil­lion­aire neigh­bor’s house and anoth­er East Side prop­er­ty belong­ing to his broth­er.

    Fed­er­al agents raid­ed the financier’s home at 9 E. 71st St. this week after the enig­mat­ic for­mer invest­ment banker was indict­ed for sex­u­al­ly traf­fick­ing minors in New York and Flori­da. News reports have not­ed the hazi­ness sur­round­ing Epstein’s wealth and his acqui­si­tion of the 18,814-square-foot res­i­dence, which is among the largest in Man­hat­tan.

    But a Crain’s inves­ti­ga­tion found that Epstein’s his­to­ry at the address is entan­gled with the adja­cent prop­er­ty, 11 E. 71st St., now home to bil­lion­aire Howard Lutnick—as well as with 301 E. 66th St., a build­ing belong­ing to Epstein’s broth­er.

    An enti­ty called the SAM Con­ver­sion Corp. pur­chased 11 E. 71st St. in 1988, more than a year before the Nine East 71st Street Corp. bought the for­mer school that would become Epstein’s domi­cile. At the time, both com­pa­nies used a Colum­bus, Ohio, address asso­ci­at­ed with Lim­it­ed Brands founder Leslie Wexn­er, Epstein’s men­tor and client.

    In 1992 SAM Con­ver­sion Corp. sold 11 E. 71st St. to the 11 East 71st Street Trust for “ten dol­lars and oth­er valu­able con­sid­er­a­tion paid by the par­ty of the sec­ond part,” records show. Martha Stark, for­mer com­mis­sion­er of the city Depart­ment of Finance, told Crain’s that the $10 fig­ure is a place­hold­er used in many real estate sales—a holdover from a peri­od when the val­ue of prop­er­ty trans­ac­tions was not pub­licly dis­closed.

    The avail­able mate­ri­als do not show whether the two cor­po­ra­tions exchanged any larg­er sum. But the sale doc­u­ments iden­ti­fy Epstein as the vice pres­i­dent of Sam Con­ver­sion Corp. and a trustee of the 11 East 71st Street Trust, and both enti­ties used the same Colum­bus address linked to Wexn­er. Wexn­er did not respond to a Crain’s query about his stake in either the cor­po­ra­tion or the trust.

    Four years lat­er the 11 East 71st Street Trust—still with Epstein list­ed as trustee—sold the prop­er­ty to the Comet Trust, again for “10 dol­lars and oth­er valu­able con­sid­er­a­tion.” Unlike the pre­vi­ous deed trans­fers, this one makes note of the real estate trans­fer tax paid on the sale: $86,800. From this, Stark extrap­o­lat­ed the true sale price was $6.2 mil­lion.

    Sub­se­quent doc­u­ments from the sale reveal the trustee of Comet Trust to be Gui­do Gold­man, the own­er of small invest­ment-man­age­ment com­pa­ny First Spring Corp. and founder of the Ger­man Mar­shall Fund, a think tank ded­i­cat­ed to inter­na­tion­al affairs, and of Har­vard Uni­ver­si­ty’s Cen­ter for Euro­pean Stud­ies.

    Secu­ri­ties and Exchange Com­mis­sion fil­ings show that the Comet Trust holds a por­tion of the de Gunzburg/Bronfman fam­i­ly for­tune, which derives in large part from the dis­tillery com­pa­ny Sea­gram. The Wash­ing­ton Post pre­vi­ous­ly report­ed that scion Edgar Bronf­man Jr.‘s name was among those in Epstein’s “black book” of con­tacts, which fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors obtained. Gold­man did not respond to requests for com­ment.

    In 1998 Comet Trust sold 11 E. 71st St. to Lut­nick, again for “10 dol­lars and oth­er valu­able con­sid­er­a­tion.” The real estate trans­fer tax pay­ment came to $106,400, from which Stark esti­mat­ed the actu­al price to have been $7.6 mil­lion.

    ...

    Broth­er’s keep­er

    Mean­while, the Nine East 71st Street Corp. retained own­er­ship of its epony­mous prop­er­ty until 2011, when it trans­ferred the Epstein res­i­dence to Maple Inc. The buy­er’s and sell­er’s sig­na­tures on the deed are iden­ti­cal, and the records iden­ti­fy Epstein as the pres­i­dent of Nine East 71st Street Corp. State Divi­sion of Cor­po­ra­tions records show him to have been the enti­ty’s CEO at the time that it became inac­tive in 2015.

    On the deed, the Nine East 71st Street Corp. list­ed as its address unit 10F at 301 E. 66th St. Both the unit and the build­ing, records show, belong to 301/66 Own­ers Corp, an affil­i­ate of Ossa Prop­er­ties—the real estate com­pa­ny belong­ing to Mark Epstein, for­mer­ly the board chair­man at Coop­er Union. Numer­ous news reports have iden­ti­fied Mark as Jef­frey Epstein’s broth­er, includ­ing a 2009 New York Post arti­cle that quot­ed an attor­ney for sev­er­al of the under­age girls who accused the financier of sex­u­al assault. The lawyer, Brad Edwards, assert­ed at the time that Jef­frey Epstein had rent­ed apart­ments at 301 E. 66th St. for the accusers.

    (In its request to deny Epstein bail, the Depart­ment of Jus­tice said that “the defen­dant has no known imme­di­ate fam­i­ly.” The press office of the U.S. attor­ney for the South­ern Dis­trict of New York, which brought the case and made the claim, said pros­e­cu­tors use dif­fer­ent phras­ing in court, say­ing that Epstein “has no mean­ing­ful fam­i­ly ties.” But Epstein’s broth­er Mark has now offered to put up his Flori­da home to guar­an­tee his sib­ling’s bail bond.)

    Doc­u­ments filed with the State Uni­ver­si­ty of New York by a Harlem char­ter school refer to Ossa Prop­er­ties as “affil­i­at­ed” with Jef­frey Epstein’s invest­ment man­age­ment firm, J Epstein & Co. The for­mer Ossa Prop­er­ties vice pres­i­dent and CFO involved with the school, Jonathan Bar­rett of invest­ment firm Lumi­nus Man­age­ment, did not com­ment but a spokesman for Bar­rett said he left Ossa in 1996, eight years before he became involved with the char­ter school. Edwards, Mark Epstein and oth­er fig­ures from Ossa Prop­er­ties did not com­ment.

    ...

    In Jan­u­ary a city inspec­tor vis­it­ed the build­ing in response to a 311 com­plaint that it was vio­lat­ing the tran­sient occu­pan­cy law and ille­gal­ly oper­at­ing as a hotel. The May­or’s Office of Spe­cial Enforce­ment shared the result­ing report with Crain’s. It describes how con­ver­sa­tions with the prop­er­ty man­ag­er and the door­man per­suad­ed the inspec­tor that there was no unlaw­ful occu­pan­cy at the address.

    ———-

    “Unrav­el­ing the web of Epstein’s Man­hat­tan real estate” by Will Bred­der­man; Crain’s New York; 07/11/2019

    “But a Crain’s inves­ti­ga­tion found that Epstein’s his­to­ry at the address is entan­gled with the adja­cent prop­er­ty, 11 E. 71st St., now home to bil­lion­aire Howard Lutnick—as well as with 301 E. 66th St., a build­ing belong­ing to Epstein’s broth­er.”

    Yep, the Epstein Man­hat­tan real estate mys­tery his­to­ry is real­ly about three address: 9 and 11 E. 71st Street, but also 301 E. 66th St., a build­ing owned by his broth­er Mark. And as this Crain’s report describes, much of that mys­tery has to do with Epstein’s ambigu­ous role in the enti­ties that han­dled the ini­tial pur­chas­es of the 9 and 11 E. 71st Street estates. It start­ed in 1988, when SAM Con­ver­sion Corp. pur­chased 11 E. 71st St., pre­sum­ably from the Rolling Stones. That was fol­lowed by the 1989 pur­chase of the nextdoor 9 E. 71st St. prop­er­ty by the Nine East 71st Street Corp. Both of these cor­po­rate enti­ties had the same address asso­ci­at­ed with Leslie Wexn­er’s Lim­it­ed Brands. Then, in 1992, SAM Con­ver­sion Corp sells the 11 E. 71st St. prop­er­ty to 11 East 71st Street Trust for an undis­closed price (with $10 as the pub­lic place­hold­er). Records for that trans­ac­tion list Epstein as both the vice pres­i­dent of SAM Con­ver­sion Corp and a trustee of 11 East 71st Street Trust, with the same Lim­it­ed Brand address again list­ed for both. It’s unclear why the 11 E. 71st St. prop­er­ty was trans­ferred between two enti­ties run by Wexn­er and Epstein, but the fact that it hap­pened solid­i­fies the the fact that it was Wexn­er who was serv­ing as Epstein’s backer and guide dur­ing these ear­li­er years as a play­er in this net­work:

    ...
    An enti­ty called the SAM Con­ver­sion Corp. pur­chased 11 E. 71st St. in 1988, more than a year before the Nine East 71st Street Corp. bought the for­mer school that would become Epstein’s domi­cile. At the time, both com­pa­nies used a Colum­bus, Ohio, address asso­ci­at­ed with Lim­it­ed Brands founder Leslie Wexn­er, Epstein’s men­tor and client.

    In 1992 SAM Con­ver­sion Corp. sold 11 E. 71st St. to the 11 East 71st Street Trust for “ten dol­lars and oth­er valu­able con­sid­er­a­tion paid by the par­ty of the sec­ond part,” records show. Martha Stark, for­mer com­mis­sion­er of the city Depart­ment of Finance, told Crain’s that the $10 fig­ure is a place­hold­er used in many real estate sales—a holdover from a peri­od when the val­ue of prop­er­ty trans­ac­tions was not pub­licly dis­closed.

    The avail­able mate­ri­als do not show whether the two cor­po­ra­tions exchanged any larg­er sum. But the sale doc­u­ments iden­ti­fy Epstein as the vice pres­i­dent of Sam Con­ver­sion Corp. and a trustee of the 11 East 71st Street Trust, and both enti­ties used the same Colum­bus address linked to Wexn­er. Wexn­er did not respond to a Crain’s query about his stake in either the cor­po­ra­tion or the trust.
    ...

    And then we get to the 1996 trans­ac­tion, where that 11 E. 71st St. prop­er­ty was sold to Comet Trust. But unlike the pri­or trans­ac­tions, this one appear to involve an actu­al sale to new own­ers for around $6.2 mil­lion. So who are the peo­ple behind Comet Trust? Well, the trustee of Comet Trust list­ed on the sale doc­u­ments list Gui­do Gold­man, the founder of the Ger­man Mar­shall Fund, an enti­ty Paul Man­ning char­ac­ter­ized as a pub­lic rela­tions front for Ger­man indus­tri­al inter­ests under the guise of a think-tank. But that’s not the only inter­est­ing fig­ure tied to Comet Trust. It also turns out Comet Trust owns a por­tion of the de Gunzburg/Bronfman fam­i­ly for­tune. As we’ve seen, the Bronf­man fam­i­ly has an inter­est­ing rela­tion­ship to the Epstein saga. In addi­tion to Edgar Bronf­man Jr.‘s name show­ing up in the ‘black book’, there’s also fact that his uncle, Charles Bronf­man, was a co-founder of the pro-Israel think-tank Mega Group, along with Les Wexn­er. And as we’ve seen, Charles Bronf­man and Robert Mawxwell were busi­ness part­ners. So when we see that a trust that holds of por­tion of the Bronf­man fam­i­ly for­tune was the buy­er of that that 11 E. 71st St. prop­er­ty, this should prob­a­bly be seen as a trans­ac­tion between busi­ness part­ners and close asso­ciates. And don’t for­get what else hap­pened in 1996: Epstein final­ly moved into the 9 E. 71st prop­er­ty next door. After years of pre­sum­ably prepar­ing that prop­er­ty into a spy haven. So when they made that sale to Comet Trust, they were in the posi­tion to deter­mine who their neigh­bor was going to be for the super black­mail estate they were open­ing that year as Epstein’s new Man­hat­tan res­i­dence:

    ...
    Four years lat­er the 11 East 71st Street Trust—still with Epstein list­ed as trustee—sold the prop­er­ty to the Comet Trust, again for “10 dol­lars and oth­er valu­able con­sid­er­a­tion.” Unlike the pre­vi­ous deed trans­fers, this one makes note of the real estate trans­fer tax paid on the sale: $86,800. From this, Stark extrap­o­lat­ed the true sale price was $6.2 mil­lion.

    Sub­se­quent doc­u­ments from the sale reveal the trustee of Comet Trust to be Gui­do Gold­man, the own­er of small invest­ment-man­age­ment com­pa­ny First Spring Corp. and founder of the Ger­man Mar­shall Fund, a think tank ded­i­cat­ed to inter­na­tion­al affairs, and of Har­vard Uni­ver­si­ty’s Cen­ter for Euro­pean Stud­ies.

    Secu­ri­ties and Exchange Com­mis­sion fil­ings show that the Comet Trust holds a por­tion of the de Gunzburg/Bronfman fam­i­ly for­tune, which derives in large part from the dis­tillery com­pa­ny Sea­gram. The Wash­ing­ton Post pre­vi­ous­ly report­ed that scion Edgar Bronf­man Jr.‘s name was among those in Epstein’s “black book” of con­tacts, which fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors obtained. Gold­man did not respond to requests for com­ment.
    ...

    Two years lat­er, in 1998, this 11 E. 71st St. prop­er­ty is sold again. This time to Howard Lut­nick, Trump’s cur­rent Com­merce Sec­re­tary, for an esti­mate $7.6 mil­lion. Which rais­es the ques­tion: did the sale by Comet Trust to Lut­nick include con­sid­er­a­tions of the black­mail intel­li­gence oper­a­tion tak­ing place next door? How aware was the Bronf­man-fam­i­ly trust of Epstein’s affairs next door. And what about Lut­nick? What did he know about Epstein

    ...
    In 1998 Comet Trust sold 11 E. 71st St. to Lut­nick, again for “10 dol­lars and oth­er valu­able con­sid­er­a­tion.” The real estate trans­fer tax pay­ment came to $106,400, from which Stark esti­mat­ed the actu­al price to have been $7.6 mil­lion.
    ...

    And then we get to the inter­est­ing role Mark Epstein played in this sto­ry. It turns out the list­ed address for Nine East 71st Street Corp. was unit 10F at 301 E. 66th St., which, in turn, was owned by 301/66 Own­ers Corp, an affil­i­ate of Mark Epstein’s Ossa Prop­er­ties. But beyond being the list­ed loca­tion of Nine East 71st Street Corp., it appears that 301 E. 66th St. prop­er­ty was at times rent­ed out by Jef­frey Epstein to pro­vide hous­ing for the girls he was abus­ing. And it would appear so many girls were stay­ing there a city inspec­tor vis­it­ed the build­ing in response to a com­plaint that the prop­er­ty was being used as a hotel. So when we see Mark Epstein tak­ing a keen inter­est in his broth­er’s ‘sui­cide’, keep in mind he was like­ly direct­ly involved with his broth­er’s illic­it activ­i­ties on some lev­el or at least aware:

    ...
    Mean­while, the Nine East 71st Street Corp. retained own­er­ship of its epony­mous prop­er­ty until 2011, when it trans­ferred the Epstein res­i­dence to Maple Inc. The buy­er’s and sell­er’s sig­na­tures on the deed are iden­ti­cal, and the records iden­ti­fy Epstein as the pres­i­dent of Nine East 71st Street Corp. State Divi­sion of Cor­po­ra­tions records show him to have been the enti­ty’s CEO at the time that it became inac­tive in 2015.

    On the deed, the Nine East 71st Street Corp. list­ed as its address unit 10F at 301 E. 66th St. Both the unit and the build­ing, records show, belong to 301/66 Own­ers Corp, an affil­i­ate of Ossa Prop­er­tiesthe real estate com­pa­ny belong­ing to Mark Epstein, for­mer­ly the board chair­man at Coop­er Union. Numer­ous news reports have iden­ti­fied Mark as Jef­frey Epstein’s broth­er, includ­ing a 2009 New York Post arti­cle that quot­ed an attor­ney for sev­er­al of the under­age girls who accused the financier of sex­u­al assault. The lawyer, Brad Edwards, assert­ed at the time that Jef­frey Epstein had rent­ed apart­ments at 301 E. 66th St. for the accusers.

    (In its request to deny Epstein bail, the Depart­ment of Jus­tice said that “the defen­dant has no known imme­di­ate fam­i­ly.” The press office of the U.S. attor­ney for the South­ern Dis­trict of New York, which brought the case and made the claim, said pros­e­cu­tors use dif­fer­ent phras­ing in court, say­ing that Epstein “has no mean­ing­ful fam­i­ly ties.” But Epstein’s broth­er Mark has now offered to put up his Flori­da home to guar­an­tee his sib­ling’s bail bond.)

    Doc­u­ments filed with the State Uni­ver­si­ty of New York by a Harlem char­ter school refer to Ossa Prop­er­ties as “affil­i­at­ed” with Jef­frey Epstein’s invest­ment man­age­ment firm, J Epstein & Co. The for­mer Ossa Prop­er­ties vice pres­i­dent and CFO involved with the school, Jonathan Bar­rett of invest­ment firm Lumi­nus Man­age­ment, did not com­ment but a spokesman for Bar­rett said he left Ossa in 1996, eight years before he became involved with the char­ter school. Edwards, Mark Epstein and oth­er fig­ures from Ossa Prop­er­ties did not com­ment.

    ...

    In Jan­u­ary a city inspec­tor vis­it­ed the build­ing in response to a 311 com­plaint that it was vio­lat­ing the tran­sient occu­pan­cy law and ille­gal­ly oper­at­ing as a hotel. The May­or’s Office of Spe­cial Enforce­ment shared the result­ing report with Crain’s. It describes how con­ver­sa­tions with the prop­er­ty man­ag­er and the door­man per­suad­ed the inspec­tor that there was no unlaw­ful occu­pan­cy at the address.
    ...

    Now, here’s a quick look at a 2003 piece in Van­i­ty Fair all about the Jef­frey Epstein’s ris­ing pro­file as a mys­te­ri­ous socialite. Where a big part of the mys­tery is sim­ply the real nature of rela­tion­ship with Leslie Wexn­er, the man who has seem­ing­ly giv­en Epstein every­thing. Includ­ing one of the fan­ci­est homes in Man­hat­tan:

    Van­i­ty Fair
    March 2003 Issue

    The Tal­ent­ed Mr. Epstein

    Late­ly, Jef­frey Epstein’s high-fly­ing style has been draw­ing oohs and aahs: the bach­e­lor financier lives in New York’s largest pri­vate res­i­dence, claims to take only bil­lion­aires as clients, and flies celebri­ties includ­ing Bill Clin­ton and Kevin Spacey on his Boe­ing 727. But pierce his air of mys­tery and the pic­ture changes. Vicky Ward explores Epstein’s invest­ment career, his ties to retail mag­nate Leslie Wexn­er, and his com­pli­cat­ed past.

    By Vicky Ward
    March 1, 2003

    On Manhattan’s Upper East Side, home to some of the most expen­sive real estate on earth, exists the crown jew­el of the city’s res­i­den­tial town hous­es. With its 15-foot-high oak door, huge arched win­dows, and nine floors, it sits on—or, rather, commands—the block of 71st Street between Fifth and Madi­son Avenues. Almost ludi­crous­ly out of pro­por­tion with its four- and five-sto­ry neigh­bors, it seems more like an insti­tu­tion than a house. This is per­haps not surprising—until 1989 it was the Birch Wathen pri­vate school. Now it is said to be Manhattan’s largest pri­vate res­i­dence.

    Inside, amid the flur­ry of menser­vants attired in sober black suits and pris­tine white gloves, you feel you have stum­bled into someone’s pri­vate Xanadu. This is no mere rich person’s home, but a high-walled, eclec­tic, impe­ri­ous fan­ta­sy that seems to have no bound­aries.

    The entrance hall is dec­o­rat­ed not with paint­ings but with row upon row of indi­vid­u­al­ly framed eye­balls; these, the own­er tells peo­ple with rel­ish, were import­ed from Eng­land, where they were made for injured sol­diers. Next comes a mar­ble foy­er, which does have a paint­ing, in the man­ner of Jean Dubuf­fet … but the host coy­ly refus­es to tell vis­i­tors who paint­ed it. In any case, guests are like pyg­mies next to the near­by twice-life-size sculp­ture of a naked African war­rior.

    ...

    In addi­tion to the town house, Epstein lives in what is reput­ed to be the largest pri­vate dwelling in New Mex­i­co, on an $18 mil­lion, 7,500-acre ranch which he named “Zor­ro.” “It makes the town house look like a shack,” Epstein has said. He also owns Lit­tle St. James, a 70-acre island in the U.S. Vir­gin Islands, where the main house is cur­rent­ly being ren­o­vat­ed by Edward Tut­tle, a design­er of the Aman­re­sorts. There is also a $6.8 mil­lion house in Palm Beach, Flori­da, and a fleet of air­craft: a Gulf­stream IV, a heli­copter, and a Boe­ing 727, replete with trad­ing room, on which Epstein recent­ly flew Pres­i­dent Clin­ton, actors Chris Tuck­er and Kevin Spacey, super­mar­ket mag­nate Ron Burkle, Lew Wasserman’s grand­son, Casey Wasser­man, and a few oth­ers, on a mis­sion to explore the prob­lems of AIDS and eco­nom­ic devel­op­ment in Africa.

    ...

    Even acquain­tances sense a curi­ous dichoto­my: Yes, he lives like a “mod­ern mahara­ja,” as Leah Kle­man, one of his art deal­ers, puts it. Yet he is fas­tid­i­ous­ly, almost obses­sive­ly private—he lists him­self in the phone book under a pseu­do­nym. He rarely attends soci­ety gath­er­ings or wed­dings or funer­als; he con­sid­ers eat­ing in restau­rants like “eat­ing on the subway”—i.e., some­thing he’d nev­er do. There are many women in his life, most­ly young, but there is no one of them to whom he has been able to com­mit. He describes his most pub­lic com­pan­ion of the last decade, Ghis­laine Maxwell, 41, the daugh­ter of the late, dis­graced media baron Robert Maxwell, as sim­ply his “best friend.” He says she is not on his pay­roll, but she seems to orga­nize much of his life—recently she was mak­ing tele­phone inquiries to find a Cal­i­for­nia-based yoga instruc­tor for him. (Epstein is still close to his two oth­er long-term girl­friends, Paula Heil Fish­er, a for­mer asso­ciate of his at the bro­ker­age firm Bear Stearns and now an opera pro­duc­er, and Eva Ander­s­son Dubin, a doc­tor and one­time mod­el. He tells peo­ple that when a rela­tion­ship is over the girl­friend “moves up, not down,” to friend­ship sta­tus.)

    Some of the busi­ness­men who dine with him at his home—they include news­pa­per pub­lish­er Mort Zuck­er­man, banker Louis Ranieri, Revlon chair­man Ronald Perel­man, real-estate tycoon Leon Black, for­mer Microsoft exec­u­tive Nathan Myhrvold, Tom Pritzk­er (of Hyatt Hotels), and real-estate per­son­al­i­ty Don­ald Trump—some­times seem not all that clear as to what he actu­al­ly does to earn his mil­lions. Cer­tain­ly, you won’t find Epstein’s trans­ac­tions writ­ten about on Bloomberg or talked about in the trad­ing rooms. “The trad­ing desks don’t seem to know him. It’s unusu­al for ani­mals that big not to leave any foot­prints in the snow,” says a high-lev­el invest­ment man­ag­er.

    Unlike such fund man­agers as George Soros and Stan­ley Druck­en­miller, whose client lists and stock maneu­ver­ings act as their call­ing cards, Epstein keeps all his deals and clients secret, bar one client: bil­lion­aire Leslie Wexn­er, the respect­ed chair­man of Lim­it­ed Brands. Epstein insists that ever since he left Bear Stearns in 1981 he has man­aged mon­ey only for billionaires—who depend on him for dis­cre­tion. “I was the only per­son crazy enough, or arro­gant enough, or mis­placed enough, to make my lim­it a bil­lion dol­lars or more,” he tells peo­ple freely. Accord­ing to him, the flat fees he receives from his clients, com­bined with his skill at play­ing the cur­ren­cy mar­kets “with very large sums of mon­ey,” have afford­ed him the lifestyle he enjoys today.

    Why do bil­lion­aires choose him as their trustee? Because the prob­lems of the mega-rich, he tells peo­ple, are dif­fer­ent from yours and mine, and his unique phi­los­o­phy is cen­tral to under­stand­ing those prob­lems: “Very few peo­ple need any more mon­ey when they have a bil­lion dol­lars. The key is not to have it do harm more than any­thing else…. You don’t want to lose your mon­ey.”

    ...

    Since Leslie Wexn­er appeared in his life—Epstein has said this was in 1986; oth­ers say it was in 1989, at the ear­li­est—he has grad­u­al­ly, in a way that has not gen­er­al­ly made head­lines, come to be accept­ed by the Estab­lish­ment. He’s a mem­ber of var­i­ous com­mis­sions and coun­cils: he is on the Tri­lat­er­al Com­mis­sion, the Coun­cil on For­eign Rela­tions, and the Insti­tute of Inter­na­tion­al Edu­ca­tion.

    ...

    Epstein gets annoyed when any­one sug­gests that Wexn­er “made him.” “I had real­ly rich clients before,” he has said. Yet he does not deny that he and Wexn­er have a spe­cial rela­tion­ship. Epstein sees it as a part­ner­ship of equals. “Peo­ple have said it’s like we have one brain between two of us: each has a side.”

    “I think we both pos­sess the skill of see­ing pat­terns,” says Wexn­er. “But Jef­frey sees pat­terns in pol­i­tics and finan­cial mar­kets, and I see pat­terns in lifestyle and fash­ion trends. My skills are not in invest­ment strat­e­gy, and, as every­one who knows Jef­frey knows, his are not in fash­ion and design. We fre­quent­ly dis­cuss world trends as each of us sees them.”

    By the time Epstein met Wexn­er, the lat­ter was a retail leg­end who had built a $3 bil­lion empire—one that now includes Victoria’s Secret, Express, and Bath & Body Works—from $5,000 lent him by his aunt. “Wexn­er saw in Jef­frey the type of per­son who had the poten­tial to real­ize his [Jeffrey’s] dreams,” says some­one who has worked close­ly with both men. “He gave Jef­frey the ball, and Jef­frey hit it out of the park.”

    Wexn­er, through a trust, bought the town house in which Epstein now lives for a report­ed $13.2 mil­lion in 1989. In 1993, Wexn­er mar­ried Abi­gail Kop­pel, a 31-year-old lawyer, and the new­ly­weds relo­cat­ed to Ohio; in 1996, Epstein moved into the town house. Pub­lic doc­u­ments sug­gest that the house is still owned by the trust that bought it, but Epstein has said that he now owns the house.

    Wexn­er trusts Epstein so com­plete­ly that he has assigned him the pow­er of fidu­cia­ry over all of his pri­vate trusts and foun­da­tions, says a source close to Wexn­er. In 1992, Epstein even per­suad­ed Wexn­er to put him on the board of the Wexn­er Foun­da­tion in place of Wexner’s ail­ing moth­er. Bel­la Wexn­er recov­ered and demand­ed to be rein­stat­ed. Epstein has said they set­tled by split­ting the foun­da­tion in two.

    ...

    ———–

    “The Tal­ent­ed Mr. Epstein” By Vicky Ward; Van­i­ty Fair; 03/01/2003

    The entrance hall is dec­o­rat­ed not with paint­ings but with row upon row of indi­vid­u­al­ly framed eye­balls; these, the own­er tells peo­ple with rel­ish, were import­ed from Eng­land, where they were made for injured sol­diers. Next comes a mar­ble foy­er, which does have a paint­ing, in the man­ner of Jean Dubuf­fet … but the host coy­ly refus­es to tell vis­i­tors who paint­ed it. In any case, guests are like pyg­mies next to the near­by twice-life-size sculp­ture of a naked African war­rior.”

    A dis­play of indi­vid­u­al­ly framed eye­balls in the entrance hall. How sub­tle. You almost have to won­der if guests knew they were about to have com­pro­mis­ing evi­dence col­lect­ed against them. A price of admis­sion to the club. And as we can see in this 2003 report, he was already quite a mys­te­ri­ous fig­ure, even among the high soci­ety fig­ures he was rub­bing elbows with. Fig­ures like Don­ald Trump. And part of that mys­tery had to do with the fact that he was clear­ly quite wealthy and yet it was unclear what exact­ly he does or who he works for, with Leslie Wexn­er being his only ‘client’. Of course, Wexn­er was much more than Epstein’s client, which is a reflec­tion of the fact that we don’t actu­al­ly know who Epstein worked for when acquir­ing all of his wealth:

    ...
    Even acquain­tances sense a curi­ous dichoto­my: Yes, he lives like a “mod­ern mahara­ja,” as Leah Kle­man, one of his art deal­ers, puts it. Yet he is fas­tid­i­ous­ly, almost obses­sive­ly private—he lists him­self in the phone book under a pseu­do­nym. He rarely attends soci­ety gath­er­ings or wed­dings or funer­als; he con­sid­ers eat­ing in restau­rants like “eat­ing on the subway”—i.e., some­thing he’d nev­er do. There are many women in his life, most­ly young, but there is no one of them to whom he has been able to com­mit. He describes his most pub­lic com­pan­ion of the last decade, Ghis­laine Maxwell, 41, the daugh­ter of the late, dis­graced media baron Robert Maxwell, as sim­ply his “best friend.” He says she is not on his pay­roll, but she seems to orga­nize much of his life—recently she was mak­ing tele­phone inquiries to find a Cal­i­for­nia-based yoga instruc­tor for him. (Epstein is still close to his two oth­er long-term girl­friends, Paula Heil Fish­er, a for­mer asso­ciate of his at the bro­ker­age firm Bear Stearns and now an opera pro­duc­er, and Eva Ander­s­son Dubin, a doc­tor and one­time mod­el. He tells peo­ple that when a rela­tion­ship is over the girl­friend “moves up, not down,” to friend­ship sta­tus.)

    Some of the busi­ness­men who dine with him at his home—they include news­pa­per pub­lish­er Mort Zuck­er­man, banker Louis Ranieri, Revlon chair­man Ronald Perel­man, real-estate tycoon Leon Black, for­mer Microsoft exec­u­tive Nathan Myhrvold, Tom Pritzk­er (of Hyatt Hotels), and real-estate per­son­al­i­ty Don­ald Trump—some­times seem not all that clear as to what he actu­al­ly does to earn his mil­lions. Cer­tain­ly, you won’t find Epstein’s trans­ac­tions writ­ten about on Bloomberg or talked about in the trad­ing rooms. “The trad­ing desks don’t seem to know him. It’s unusu­al for ani­mals that big not to leave any foot­prints in the snow,” says a high-lev­el invest­ment man­ag­er.

    Unlike such fund man­agers as George Soros and Stan­ley Druck­en­miller, whose client lists and stock maneu­ver­ings act as their call­ing cards, Epstein keeps all his deals and clients secret, bar one client: bil­lion­aire Leslie Wexn­er, the respect­ed chair­man of Lim­it­ed Brands. Epstein insists that ever since he left Bear Stearns in 1981 he has man­aged mon­ey only for billionaires—who depend on him for dis­cre­tion. “I was the only per­son crazy enough, or arro­gant enough, or mis­placed enough, to make my lim­it a bil­lion dol­lars or more,” he tells peo­ple freely. Accord­ing to him, the flat fees he receives from his clients, com­bined with his skill at play­ing the cur­ren­cy mar­kets “with very large sums of mon­ey,” have afford­ed him the lifestyle he enjoys today.

    ...

    Since Leslie Wexn­er appeared in his life—Epstein has said this was in 1986; oth­ers say it was in 1989, at the ear­li­est—he has grad­u­al­ly, in a way that has not gen­er­al­ly made head­lines, come to be accept­ed by the Estab­lish­ment. He’s a mem­ber of var­i­ous com­mis­sions and coun­cils: he is on the Tri­lat­er­al Com­mis­sion, the Coun­cil on For­eign Rela­tions, and the Insti­tute of Inter­na­tion­al Edu­ca­tion.
    ...

    And we when see how Epstein appar­ent­ly would get annoyed with the idea that Wexn­er “made him”, while insist­ing that it’s more of a “part­ner­ship of equals”, there’s remains to this day no expla­na­tion for why Wexn­er seemed to just gift that 9 E 71st Street man­sion to Epstein, with Epstein mak­ing it his per­son­al res­i­dence in 1996. Part of the expla­na­tion pre­sum­ably has to do with the fact that Wexn­er signed the pow­er of fidu­cia­ry over all of his pri­vate trusts and foun­da­tions over to Epstein. But, again, why? Why hand over con­trol of your for­tune to Epstein? We’ve nev­er received any­thing remote­ly close to a sen­si­ble answer on that:

    ...
    In addi­tion to the town house, Epstein lives in what is reput­ed to be the largest pri­vate dwelling in New Mex­i­co, on an $18 mil­lion, 7,500-acre ranch which he named “Zor­ro.” “It makes the town house look like a shack,” Epstein has said. He also owns Lit­tle St. James, a 70-acre island in the U.S. Vir­gin Islands, where the main house is cur­rent­ly being ren­o­vat­ed by Edward Tut­tle, a design­er of the Aman­re­sorts. There is also a $6.8 mil­lion house in Palm Beach, Flori­da, and a fleet of air­craft: a Gulf­stream IV, a heli­copter, and a Boe­ing 727, replete with trad­ing room, on which Epstein recent­ly flew Pres­i­dent Clin­ton, actors Chris Tuck­er and Kevin Spacey, super­mar­ket mag­nate Ron Burkle, Lew Wasserman’s grand­son, Casey Wasser­man, and a few oth­ers, on a mis­sion to explore the prob­lems of AIDS and eco­nom­ic devel­op­ment in Africa.

    ...

    Epstein gets annoyed when any­one sug­gests that Wexn­er “made him.” “I had real­ly rich clients before,” he has said. Yet he does not deny that he and Wexn­er have a spe­cial rela­tion­ship. Epstein sees it as a part­ner­ship of equals. “Peo­ple have said it’s like we have one brain between two of us: each has a side.”

    ...

    Wexn­er, through a trust, bought the town house in which Epstein now lives for a report­ed $13.2 mil­lion in 1989. In 1993, Wexn­er mar­ried Abi­gail Kop­pel, a 31-year-old lawyer, and the new­ly­weds relo­cat­ed to Ohio; in 1996, Epstein moved into the town house. Pub­lic doc­u­ments sug­gest that the house is still owned by the trust that bought it, but Epstein has said that he now owns the house.

    Wexn­er trusts Epstein so com­plete­ly that he has assigned him the pow­er of fidu­cia­ry over all of his pri­vate trusts and foun­da­tions, says a source close to Wexn­er. In 1992, Epstein even per­suad­ed Wexn­er to put him on the board of the Wexn­er Foun­da­tion in place of Wexner’s ail­ing moth­er. Bel­la Wexn­er recov­ered and demand­ed to be rein­stat­ed. Epstein has said they set­tled by split­ting the foun­da­tion in two.
    ...

    Again, the more we learn, the more mys­te­ri­ous it gets. Well, not the jail death part. The more we learn about that, the more it looks like mur­der. Mur­der and a shod­dy cov­er up. It’s every­thing else that keeps get­ting more mys­te­ri­ous.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | September 8, 2025, 8:58 pm
  9. The more we learn, the worse it gets. It’s a now endur­ing theme for the Jef­frey Epstein sto­ry. It just keeps get­ting worse, with the fol­low­ing recent pair of updates being no excep­tion.

    For starters, CBS News recent­ly pub­lished a report that was basi­cal­ly an expert review of job inves­ti­ga­tors did into Jef­frey Epstein’s alleged sui­cide. The report was­n’t based on any new­ly released infor­ma­tion. Instead, it appears to be based on evi­dence that was already pub­licly released and that CBS decid­ed to review fol­low­ing the released of the offi­cial finds that are filled with so many con­tra­dic­tions. Yep, the offi­cial Epstein find­ings, which con­clud­ed it was a sui­cide, were so bla­tant­ly flawed that CBS decid­ed to do a deep dive into that pre­vi­ous­ly evi­dence, find­ing an inves­ti­ga­tion that was so flawed that, at this point, the ques­tion isn’t what inves­ti­ga­tors did incor­rect­ly but rather what they got right.

    First, there were the mis­takes made by the prison staff in the sev­en hour gap between when Epstein’s body was first dis­cov­ered at 6:34 AM and the arrival of the FBI agents at 1:35 PM, where they found the cell to be clut­tered, with items moved around and the body already removed, mak­ing it impos­si­ble to deter­mine how and when he died. Pho­tos were lack­ing in evi­dence mark­ers. None of that is stan­dard pro­ce­dure. Beyond that, there are incon­sis­ten­cies with what is shown in these pho­to vs the offi­cial report. For exam­ple, items like med­ica­tions, a sleep apnea mask, and at least one piece of fab­ric tied into a noose appeared in dif­fer­ent placed over the course of 90 min­utes while a pho­tog­ra­ph­er from the med­ical exam­in­er’s office was doc­u­ment­ing the scene. It’s also rather notable that the first of the 90 pho­tos reviewed by CBS was tak­en at 9:34 am, three hours after Epstein’s body was found. “In those pho­tographs, it was obvi­ous that things were moved around,” accord­ing to New York Police Depart­ment detec­tive Her­man Weis­berg. “It def­i­nite­ly appeared to me that the scene was, for lack of a bet­ter term, staged a bit.”

    Not that things got bet­ter once the FBI arrived. Instead, “the FBI lit­er­al­ly has all of the best tools. I mean, spared no expense. They have every tool you can imag­ine. And they used none of it as far as we can tell,” accord­ing to Nick Bar­reiro, a for­mer police detec­tive and an FBI-trained mem­ber of the Dig­i­tal Imag­ing and Video Recov­ery Team. “How are there not way more peo­ple point­ing out the absur­di­ty of this?” Bar­reiro went on to describe “evi­dence pho­tog­ra­phy 101” mis­takes by the FBI that include pho­tograph­ing scenes in a pro­gres­sion that goes from a wide shot to close-ups, with mark­ers iden­ti­fy­ing evi­dence. There’s also no indi­ca­tion in the offi­cial reports that the FBI con­duct­ed any sort of DNA or fin­ger­print sweeps.

    Oh, but it gets so much worse. Because it appears inves­ti­ga­tors screwed up the crime scene so bad­ly that were nev­er able to deter­mine which strip of fab­ric would actu­al­ly found around his neck. Beyond that, some of the pho­tos are lit­er­al­ly tak­en from a com­plete­ly dif­fer­ent cell. At least that’s what these ana­lysts inferred from the pho­tos where the floor seemed to have dif­fer­ent tiles. These pic­tures show a defib­ril­la­tor and anoth­er strip of orange cloth tied into a noose-like shape, which is vis­i­bly dif­fer­ent from the noose hang­ing from Epstein’s bed frame. Why they would have want­ed to take pho­tos from a dif­fer­ent cell remains unclear but it appears there were two sets of fab­ric noos­es ulti­mate­ly pho­tographed. One from Epstein’s cell and anoth­er from a dif­fer­ent cell.

    And then there’s the dis­crep­an­cy with what is shown in the pho­tos vs what we were told about the posi­tions Epstein’s body was in when he was found. We are told he was found with the noose around his neck and his rear ele­vat­ed up above the floor. But based on the noose shown in the pho­to, Epstein’s rear would have been sit­ting on the edge of the bed instead of hov­er­ing about the floor. In oth­er words, the visu­al evi­dence con­tra­dicts the offi­cial report. The evi­dence is so lack­ing that the offi­cial report give no indi­ca­tion of where the noose was found and only gives a ren­der­ing of a noose but notes in the report that “the noose depict­ed is not the lig­a­ture Epstein used to kill him­self.” Notably, emer­gency med­ical tech­ni­cians wrote in their report that the staff they inter­act­ed with could not say when Epstein was last seen alive or describe how he “was found in [the] jail cell oth­er than to say ‘we found him on the ground.’ ”

    It also sounds like bare­ly any eye­wit­ness­es were even inter­viewed. 54 peo­ple where ques­tions before the final report was issued, but that only includ­ed three inmates from Epstein’s tier of the jail despite oth­er inmates being present their on the night of his death. At least one staffer who arrived short­ly after his body was found was nev­er inter­viewed at all and almost none of the vis­i­tors he had in the days lead­ing up to his death were ever inter­viewed, includ­ing one of his lawyers who met with him just 9 days ear­li­er. This lawyer expressed skep­ti­cism that Epstein killed him­self based on his pro­fessed desire to con­test his case dur­ing their meet­ing.

    The two guards direct­ly respon­si­ble for over­see­ing that tier of the jail, Michael Thomas and Tova Noel, weren’t inter­viewed by inves­ti­ga­tors for near­ly two years, and that only hap­pened after pros­e­cu­tors dropped charges of fal­si­fy­ing records relat­ed to manda­to­ry checks on Epstein and after falling asleep on the job. Recall how Thomas and Noel were fac­ing pros­e­cu­tion in the months after Epstein’s death and offered a plea deal but ulti­mate­ly reject­ed that deal. It looks like that was the right move for them, with the charges ulti­mate­ly being dropped in exchange for their tes­ti­monies.

    Adding to the odd­ness of who was ulti­mate­ly inter­viewed is that two of the three inter­view inmates were in the cells direct­ly across Epstein’s cell. They describe see­ing Michael Thomas, the guard who first found Epstein, enter­ing Epstein’s cell and per­form­ing CPR. Except pho­tos of the jail tier show cell win­dows cov­ered by paper that would have obscured any view out­side their cells. It’s unclear if those cell win­dows were papered over before or after Epstein’s death.

    That’s the wild­ly unpro­fes­sion­al pic­ture that emerged from CBS’s ret­ro­spec­tive com­par­i­son of the pub­licly released evi­dence with the offi­cial find­ings. It’s not just that the offi­cial find­ings are con­tra­dict­ed by the released evi­dence. The inves­ti­ga­tion was fun­da­men­tal­ly cor­rupt.

    And that evi­dence of high lev­el inves­tiga­tive cor­rup­tion brings us to a sec­ond very inter­est­ing update we just got on the ongo­ing efforts by the Trump admin­is­tra­tion to some­how turn Ghis­laine Maxwell into a wit­ness who can pro­vide Pres­i­dent Trump with the ali­bi he’s clear­ly seek­ing: the min­i­mal secu­ri­ty prison where Maxwell was just trans­ferred is now oper­at­ing under a high­ly unusu­al regime of enforced silence. Inmates and staff are under strict orders to not say any­thing to any­one regard­ing any­thing at all about Maxwell. And it’s not just an idle threat. We are told that one inmate, who was just there for a short stay at the min­i­mum secu­ri­ty prison, made the mis­take of men­tion­ing Maxwell to jour­nal­ist and was soon sent to a max­i­mum secu­ri­ty prison in Hous­ton.

    Accord­ing to Sam Man­gel, a for­mer inmate turned prison con­sul­tant for high-pro­file names like Steve Ban­non and Peter Navar­ro, he’s nev­er seen any­thing like this before. Although Man­gel notes that, if Maxwell is coop­er­at­ing with inves­ti­ga­tors, they may have had no choice but to trans­fer he to a min­i­mum secu­ri­ty facil­i­ty because even the low secu­ri­ty prison she was being held at posed an ele­vat­ed risk to her safe­ty once she became a coop­er­at­ing wit­ness in this case. It’s an inter­est­ing inter­pre­ta­tion of the sit­u­a­tion since it implies that Maxwell’s life is at an ele­vat­ed risk because of her coop­er­a­tion. It’s not a par­tic­u­lar­ly sur­pris­ing assess­ment, but it is rather iron­ic giv­en the wide­spread sus­pi­cion that Maxwell may have been moved to a min­i­mum secu­ri­ty facil­i­ty pre­cise­ly to cre­ate the con­di­tions that might lead to anoth­er ‘sui­cide’. Man­gel now pre­dict Maxwell will receive a par­don or some sort of clemen­cy even­tu­al­ly.

    It’s also rather notable that Maxwell is on record stat­ing that she does­n’t think Epstein killed him­self. On the one hand, that’s prob­a­bly not the answer the Trump admin­is­tra­tion wants to hear from her. On the oth­er hand, that might be the answer she feels she needs to give in order to min­i­mize the chances she ‘decides to kill her­self’ too.

    Those are the sad updates we’ve recent­ly received. Not par­tic­u­lar­ly shock­ing updates at this point. On the con­trary, it would almost be a shock if this sto­ry did­n’t some­how get worse and some­how more cor­rupt. It’s that kind of sto­ry:

    Dai­ly Beast

    Prison Is Run­ning Mas­sive Ghis­laine Maxwell Coverup for Trump: Insid­er

    Prison con­sul­tant Sam Man­gel reveals on the Dai­ly Beast Pod­cast that a unique black­out is hush­ing up every detail about Ghis­laine Maxwell.

    Julia Orne­do
    Reporter
    The Dai­ly Beast Pod­cast
    Updat­ed Oct. 20 2025 2:17PM EDT /
    Pub­lished Oct. 19 2025 10:08PM EDT

    Offi­cials at the Bureau of Pris­ons have insti­tut­ed a unique sys­tem for keep­ing absolute­ly every detail about Ghis­laine Maxwell secret, a fed­er­al prison con­sul­tant revealed on the Dai­ly Beast Pod­cast.

    Maxwell was moved to a cushi­er jail after an order came from “well above their heads,” foll­wing a vis­it from Trump’s for­mer per­son­al lawyer Todd Blanche, who is now the No. 2 at the Depart­ment of Jus­tice.

    ...

    Sam Man­gel, a for­mer inmate turned prison con­sul­tant for high-pro­file names like Steve Ban­non and Peter Navar­ro, explained that the BOP is now work­ing over­time to keep every detail about Maxwell out of the news.

    Man­gel, whose job is to work with high-pro­file inmates, said he had nev­er seen a coverup oper­a­tion like this before.

    “When they go into a prison. any­body of that type of stature or fame, inmates tend to be very curi­ous. They want to almost live vic­ar­i­ous­ly through them. And many of the staff tend to be very def­er­en­tial to them because they under­stand who they are and who their friends might be. In this case with Ms. Maxwell, it is com­plete­ly dif­fer­ent. They were warned, the inmates and the staff were warned pri­or to her com­ing in that under no cir­cum­stances are they to dis­close any­thing that hap­pens with her or to her or sur­round­ing her dur­ing her time at at Bryan.

    And Man­gel says that was no idle threat. “In one case, there was one inmate that told somebody—a journalist—something about her. And this young lady was a friend of one of my clients and she had a very short sen­tence. Keep­ing in mind, prison phones and email are sub­ject to being mon­i­tored. So you know for sure they have an AI sys­tem that is just look­ing for the name Maxwell. And as soon as this oth­er inmate made the state­ment, she was whisked off that night to Hous­ton Fed­er­al Deten­tion Cen­ter, which is a max­i­mum secu­ri­ty facil­i­ty. the sen­ti­ment is one of walk­ing on ice. They’re afraid, as the staff is afraid, to do any­thing wrong because they know that in order for her to have got­ten there, the strings at the high­est pos­si­ble lev­el.”

    In the case of Maxwell, who is serv­ing a 20-year sen­tence for sex traf­fick­ing, the BOP also took the rare step of waiv­ing the pub­lic safe­ty fac­tor relat­ed to her sex crime con­vic­tion to over­come “a very severe restric­tion” that would have pre­vent­ed her trans­fer to a min­i­mum-secu­ri­ty prison in Texas from a fed­er­al prison in Flori­da.

    “Any­thing involv­ing a sex­u­al act is the most serious—or one of the most serious—public safe­ty fac­tors some­one can have on them, and that specif­i­cal­ly pre­cludes an indi­vid­ual from serv­ing their time in a camp,” Man­gel told host Joan­na Coles.

    “I’ve helped thou­sands of peo­ple… They will not waive that pub­lic safe­ty fac­tor,” he said of the BOP. “So get­ting your trans­fer to a camp is crazy.”

    ...

    The trans­fer came after Maxwell sat down for an hours-long inter­view with Trump-appoint­ed Deputy Attor­ney Gen­er­al Todd Blanche, send­ing the rumor mill into over­drive about a pos­si­ble deal struck with the admin­is­tra­tion.

    Man­gel said BOP Direc­tor William Mar­shall and Deputy Direc­tor Joshua Smith, who were appoint­ed by Trump ear­li­er this year, “real­ly tried to clean every­thing up, get things mov­ing in the prop­er direc­tion.”

    “So it’s my under­stand­ing that the direc­tive to move her to a min­i­mum secu­ri­ty camp, Bryan, came from well above their heads,” he said.

    Man­gel also believed safe­ty con­cerns played a role in Maxwell’s trans­fer, cit­ing vio­lent offend­ers jailed at the low-secu­ri­ty prison in Tal­la­has­see.

    “I tru­ly believe that once she start­ed coop­er­at­ing, the Bureau of Pris­ons had to move her,” he said. “It was the only solu­tion for the Bureau of Pris­ons if their goal was to keep her safe and alive. If they moved her to anoth­er low-secu­ri­ty [facil­i­ty], they would have had the same chal­lenges.”

    ...

    Pres­i­dent Don­ald Trump left the door open to a pos­si­ble Maxwell pardon—while pre­tend­ing not to know her—ear­li­er this month.

    As for the ques­tion of a pos­si­ble deal struck behind the scenes by Maxwell and the Trump admin­is­tra­tion, Man­gel said he can only spec­u­late.

    “I have to imag­ine that get­ting her to Bryan was the start­ing point to get­ting her out of cus­tody, whether through com­mu­ta­tion or par­don. It just seems to me that you don’t move some­one to that type of facil­i­ty with this kind of pro­tec­tion and pre­cau­tions if you’re not over­ly con­cerned about her safe­ty and what she has to say and offer,” Man­gel said.

    So my guess, and pure­ly spec­u­la­tion, is that at some point she will receive some form of clemen­cy.”

    ———–

    “Prison Is Run­ning Mas­sive Ghis­laine Maxwell Coverup for Trump: Insid­er” by Julia Orne­do; Dai­ly Beast; 10/19/2025

    ““When they go into a prison. any­body of that type of stature or fame, inmates tend to be very curi­ous. They want to almost live vic­ar­i­ous­ly through them. And many of the staff tend to be very def­er­en­tial to them because they under­stand who they are and who their friends might be. In this case with Ms. Maxwell, it is com­plete­ly dif­fer­ent. They were warned, the inmates and the staff were warned pri­or to her com­ing in that under no cir­cum­stances are they to dis­close any­thing that hap­pens with her or to her or sur­round­ing her dur­ing her time at at Bryan.””

    They were warned. Keep you mouth shut. Don’t talk to any­one about any­thing. That was the warn­ing deliv­ered to both staff and inmates at Bryan Fed­er­al Prison Camp, the min­i­mal secu­ri­ty prison in Texas where Ghis­laine Maxwell was recent­ly mys­te­ri­ous­ly trans­ferred. Accord­ing to prison con­sul­tant Sam Man­gel, these weren’t idle threats. One inmate appar­ent­ly said some­thing about Maxwell to a jour­nal­ist and was prompt­ly whisked off to the Hous­ton Fed­er­al Deten­tion Cen­ter, a max­i­mum secu­ri­ty facil­i­ty. Every­one is report­ed­ly afraid, and for good rea­son it appears:

    ...
    Sam Man­gel, a for­mer inmate turned prison con­sul­tant for high-pro­file names like Steve Ban­non and Peter Navar­ro, explained that the BOP is now work­ing over­time to keep every detail about Maxwell out of the news.

    Man­gel, whose job is to work with high-pro­file inmates, said he had nev­er seen a coverup oper­a­tion like this before.

    ...

    And Man­gel says that was no idle threat. “In one case, there was one inmate that told somebody—a journalist—something about her. And this young lady was a friend of one of my clients and she had a very short sen­tence. Keep­ing in mind, prison phones and email are sub­ject to being mon­i­tored. So you know for sure they have an AI sys­tem that is just look­ing for the name Maxwell. And as soon as this oth­er inmate made the state­ment, she was whisked off that night to Hous­ton Fed­er­al Deten­tion Cen­ter, which is a max­i­mum secu­ri­ty facil­i­ty. the sen­ti­ment is one of walk­ing on ice. They’re afraid, as the staff is afraid, to do any­thing wrong because they know that in order for her to have got­ten there, the strings at the high­est pos­si­ble lev­el.”
    ...

    And when it comes to the high­ly unusu­al deci­sion to allow some­one with a sex crime con­vic­tion to be trans­ferred to a min­i­mum secu­ri­ty prison, as Man­gel notes, it would appear that deci­sion by prison offi­cials to make that move was man­dat­ed from some­one “well above their heads”. Beyond that, Man­gel sees the move as effec­tive­ly nec­es­sary once Maxwell start­ed coop­er­at­ing if she was going to be kept safe and alive. That’s also part of the con­text to keep in mind in this trans­fer should Maxwell expe­ri­ence some sort of untime­ly fate. If there’s a legit­i­mate case to be made for this trans­fer, it’s pred­i­cat­ed on keep­ing Maxwell safe:

    ...
    In the case of Maxwell, who is serv­ing a 20-year sen­tence for sex traf­fick­ing, the BOP also took the rare step of waiv­ing the pub­lic safe­ty fac­tor relat­ed to her sex crime con­vic­tion to over­come “a very severe restric­tion” that would have pre­vent­ed her trans­fer to a min­i­mum-secu­ri­ty prison in Texas from a fed­er­al prison in Flori­da.

    ...

    “I’ve helped thou­sands of peo­ple… They will not waive that pub­lic safe­ty fac­tor,” he said of the BOP. “So get­ting your trans­fer to a camp is crazy.”

    ...

    Man­gel said BOP Direc­tor William Mar­shall and Deputy Direc­tor Joshua Smith, who were appoint­ed by Trump ear­li­er this year, “real­ly tried to clean every­thing up, get things mov­ing in the prop­er direc­tion.”

    “So it’s my under­stand­ing that the direc­tive to move her to a min­i­mum secu­ri­ty camp, Bryan, came from well above their heads,” he said.

    Man­gel also believed safe­ty con­cerns played a role in Maxwell’s trans­fer, cit­ing vio­lent offend­ers jailed at the low-secu­ri­ty prison in Tal­la­has­see.

    “I tru­ly believe that once she start­ed coop­er­at­ing, the Bureau of Pris­ons had to move her,” he said. “It was the only solu­tion for the Bureau of Pris­ons if their goal was to keep her safe and alive. If they moved her to anoth­er low-secu­ri­ty [facil­i­ty], they would have had the same chal­lenges.”
    ...

    And that appar­ent deci­sion to trans­fer Maxwell, osten­si­bly to keep her safe as she coop­er­ates with inves­ti­ga­tors, is why Man­gel is among those who sus­pect a par­don or some form of clemen­cy is a real pos­si­bil­i­ty:

    ...
    Maxwell was moved to a cushi­er jail after an order came from “well above their heads,” foll­wing a vis­it from Trump’s for­mer per­son­al lawyer Todd Blanche, who is now the No. 2 at the Depart­ment of Jus­tice.

    ...

    The trans­fer came after Maxwell sat down for an hours-long inter­view with Trump-appoint­ed Deputy Attor­ney Gen­er­al Todd Blanche, send­ing the rumor mill into over­drive about a pos­si­ble deal struck with the admin­is­tra­tion.

    ...

    Pres­i­dent Don­ald Trump left the door open to a pos­si­ble Maxwell pardon—while pre­tend­ing not to know her—ear­li­er this month.

    As for the ques­tion of a pos­si­ble deal struck behind the scenes by Maxwell and the Trump admin­is­tra­tion, Man­gel said he can only spec­u­late.

    “I have to imag­ine that get­ting her to Bryan was the start­ing point to get­ting her out of cus­tody, whether through com­mu­ta­tion or par­don. It just seems to me that you don’t move some­one to that type of facil­i­ty with this kind of pro­tec­tion and pre­cau­tions if you’re not over­ly con­cerned about her safe­ty and what she has to say and offer,” Man­gel said.

    So my guess, and pure­ly spec­u­la­tion, is that at some point she will receive some form of clemen­cy.”
    ...

    And that report about both the unprece­dent­ed intim­i­da­tion of both staff and inmates brings us to the lat­est update on the inves­ti­ga­tion into Epstein’s death. An update from that was appar­ent­ly prompt­ed after the release of the offi­cial inves­tiga­tive find­ings were filled with so many con­tra­dic­tions that CBS decid­ed to take anoth­er look the evi­dence already pub­licly released. And, lo and behold, they found one major inves­tiga­tive ‘mis­take’ after anoth­er after anoth­er. An avalanche of ‘mis­takes’ that effec­tive­ly made it impos­si­ble for inves­ti­ga­tors to deter­mine what actu­al­ly hap­pened:

    CBS News

    In cell where Jef­frey Epstein died, a scene of dis­ar­ray that nev­er under­went thor­ough inspec­tion, experts said

    By Daniel Ruetenik, Graa­ham Kates, Cara Tabach­nick
    Updat­ed on: Octo­ber 9, 2025 / 2:40 PM EDT /

    The fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tion into the death of con­vict­ed sex-traf­fick­er Jef­frey Epstein was marred by sig­nif­i­cant laps­es, experts told CBS News, includ­ing the fail­ure by inves­ti­ga­tors to inter­view poten­tial wit­ness­es, prop­er­ly pre­serve cer­tain evi­dence and run basic foren­sic tests.

    Near­ly two years passed before inves­ti­ga­tors inter­viewed the two key cor­rec­tions offi­cers on duty the night Epstein died in his cell in the Met­ro­pol­i­tan Cor­rec­tion­al Cen­ter in down­town New York City, in what was lat­er ruled a sui­cide, accord­ing to court doc­u­ments. One of those offi­cers was the only per­son to attest to see­ing Epstein hang­ing by a bed­sheet from his bunk.

    And details pulled from 90 pho­tos of the cell and oth­er evi­dence col­lect­ed in the hours after Epstein’s death — but before FBI agents arrived to process the scene — appear to show a suc­ces­sion of basic over­sights, rang­ing from an absence of evi­dence mark­ers to items being moved, experts told CBS News.

    “The FBI lit­er­al­ly has all of the best tools. I mean, spared no expense. They have every tool you can imag­ine. And they used none of it as far as we can tell,” foren­sic ana­lyst Nick Bar­reiro said after review­ing the pho­tos, many of which have nev­er been pub­lished. “How are there not way more peo­ple point­ing out the absur­di­ty of this?”

    The images were pre­vi­ous­ly obtained by 60 Min­utes. After the recent release of sur­veil­lance video from the night Epstein died, which appeared to show details that con­tra­dict­ed offi­cial reports, CBS News reviewed them and oth­er doc­u­ments with sev­er­al foren­sic experts.

    The results of the fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tion were made pub­lic in 2023, four years after Epstein’s death, in a report by the Depart­ment of Jus­tice Office of Inspec­tor Gen­er­al. It con­clud­ed that the financier, who entered a guilty plea in 2008 on state-lev­el charges of procur­ing a child for pros­ti­tu­tion, died by sui­cide. That matched the find­ings shared by Attor­ney Gen­er­al William Barr, who told Con­gress in August he had no doubts that Epstein had tak­en his own life. But lin­ger­ing ques­tions, raised by indi­vid­u­als includ­ing Epstein’s lawyers and broth­er, have fueled con­tin­ued spec­u­la­tion and sus­pi­cion.

    “I do not believe he died by sui­cide, no,” Epstein’s co-defen­dant, Ghis­laine Maxwell, said this sum­mer dur­ing her inter­view in August with the Deputy U.S. Attor­ney Gen­er­al Todd Blanche.

    ...

    Noth­ing about the CBS News review into the inves­ti­ga­tion of Epstein’s death sug­gests foul play. But the review found that the fed­er­al probe did not fol­low typ­i­cal inves­tiga­tive pro­ce­dures into a sus­pi­cious death.

    “Evi­dence pho­tog­ra­phy 101”

    Epstein’s body was dis­cov­ered at 6:30 a.m. on Aug. 10, 2019 by cor­rec­tions offi­cer Michael Thomas when he arrived at his cell to deliv­er break­fast. Thomas said he found the accused felon in a near-seat­ed posi­tion, sus­pend­ed from the top of the bunk by a home­made noose, with his legs straight out and his but­tocks approx­i­mate­ly 1 inch to 1 and a half inch­es off the floor, accord­ing to the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report. Inter­nal cor­rec­tions depart­ment mem­os obtained exclu­sive­ly by CBS News described him as “cold,” with “no pal­pa­ble puls­es.”

    The first FBI agents arrived at the cell more than sev­en hours lat­er, at 1:35 p.m., accord­ing to the 2023 report. But when they arrived, pho­tos show they found a dis­or­ga­nized, rifled-through clut­ter. Cru­cial­ly, Epstein’s life­less body had already been removed from the cell, elim­i­nat­ing a crit­i­cal source of infor­ma­tion inves­ti­ga­tors would need to deter­mine how and when he died, foren­sic pathol­o­gist Michael Baden said.

    “The fact that he was moved dimin­ish­es the abil­i­ty to deter­mine how long he was dead before he was found,” Baden said.

    Emer­gency med­ical tech­ni­cians wrote in their report on the inci­dent, which was obtained by CBS News, that the staff they inter­act­ed with could not say when Epstein was last seen alive or describe how he “was found in [the] jail cell oth­er than to say ‘we found him on the ground.’ ”

    Inside the cell, piles of linens had been strewn about, mat­tress­es were squeezed into a cor­ner on the floor near his bunk bed and Epstein’s per­son­al items were rearranged or moved, pho­tos from the scene show. Experts who reviewed pho­tos of the scene for CBS News said there were also incon­sis­ten­cies between the inves­ti­ga­tors’ offi­cial reports and what the images show.

    “In those pho­tographs, it was obvi­ous that things were moved around,” said for­mer New York Police Depart­ment detec­tive Her­man Weis­berg, who is now man­ag­ing direc­tor of Sage Intel­li­gence. “It def­i­nite­ly appeared to me that the scene was, for lack of a bet­ter term, staged a bit.”

    Epstein’s med­ica­tions, a spe­cial mask for treat­ing sleep apnea, and at least one piece of fab­ric tied into a noose appeared in dif­fer­ent places over the course of 90 min­utes, when a pho­tog­ra­ph­er from the med­ical exam­in­er’s office was doc­u­ment­ing the scene.

    ...

    “It almost appears to me that who­ev­er was inves­ti­gat­ing this just took it at face val­ue that it was a sui­cide with no foul play what­so­ev­er, sus­pect­ed,” Weis­berg said. “But in a sit­u­a­tion as high-pro­file as this, I would always, as an inves­ti­ga­tor, con­sid­er that there might be foul play.”

    While some experts ques­tioned fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors’ treat­ment of the scene, foren­sic pathol­o­gist Judy Melinek, who used to work at the New York City Med­ical Exam­in­er’s office, said her for­mer employ­er appears to have han­dled the case by the book.

    “It’s just peo­ple doing what they nor­mal­ly do for any oth­er case,” Melinek said. “The major­i­ty of [cas­es] if you weren’t such a high pro­file dece­dent, the scruti­ny would not apply. This is how they treat every oth­er jail death of some­body who is not high pro­file.”

    The sequence of evi­dence pho­tos starts with a pic­ture of the stairs lead­ing up to Epstein’s cell­block, Tier L. Under­ly­ing data from the pho­to shows it was tak­en at 9:34 a.m. — three hours after Epstein’s body was found, and four hours before fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors arrived.

    Time went by even as the nation’s top law enforce­ment offi­cer sought a rapid inves­ti­ga­tion.

    “I was obvi­ous­ly cov­er­ing it very quick­ly and want­ed to rule out any­thing oth­er than sui­cide,” Barr told Con­gress in August, adding that “with­in an hour, or min­utes of find­ing out about it, I direct­ed the [inspec­tor gen­er­al] to have peo­ple in New York go to the scene and con­duct an inves­ti­ga­tion.”

    On the back wall, a sur­veil­lance cam­era is vis­i­ble. It was stream­ing, but was not record­ing. This was due to a hard-dri­ve mal­func­tion that had pre­vi­ous­ly been iden­ti­fied but not fixed, accord­ing to a Jus­tice Depart­ment report.

    Next is a blur­ry image of the door to Epstein’s cell, num­ber 220. Run­ning under­neath the door was a cable that pro­vid­ed pow­er to a CPAP machine. Epstein had ini­tial­ly been assigned to a cell in a dif­fer­ent tier, but he was moved to cell 220 for eas­i­er access to an out­let, accord­ing to Bureau of Pris­ons records.

    The jail’s com­put­er sys­tems were nev­er updat­ed to note that move, accord­ing to inves­ti­ga­tors. A source close to the inves­ti­ga­tion told CBS News that cor­rec­tions staff rarely updat­ed inter­nal inmate moves, instead pre­fer­ring to call out their names while in the tiers.

    Two doc­u­ments on the door are shown in images after Epstein’s death. One was a print­out with Epstein’s per­son­al details and a book­ing pho­to. Above that was the ID card for Epstein’s for­mer room­mate, Efrain Reyes.

    Cells typ­i­cal­ly hold two inmates, and fol­low­ing a sus­pect­ed sui­cide attempt two weeks ear­li­er, Epstein was man­dat­ed by cor­rec­tion offi­cials to have a cell­mate. The day before Epstein’s death, how­ev­er, Reyes was trans­ferred out of the deten­tion cen­ter. Inves­ti­ga­tors even­tu­al­ly con­clud­ed that Reyes’ move allowed Epstein the soli­tude need­ed to kill him­self.

    From the first pho­to to the last, it is clear the scene in the cell was chaot­ic — so much so that inves­ti­ga­tors nev­er con­clu­sive­ly deter­mined which strip of bed­sheet was around Epstein’s neck when he died.

    Pho­tos of the bed also raise ques­tions. One shows an orange string hang­ing from a bar. This pic­ture was includ­ed in a 2023 report by the Depart­ment of Jus­tice’s Inspec­tor Gen­er­al, along­side a descrip­tion of how Epstein was found, sug­gest­ing inves­ti­ga­tors believed that was what he had used to hang him­self.

    If that was the case, and the room had­n’t been dis­turbed before the pho­tog­ra­ph­er arrived, Epstein’s rear would have come to rest on a mat­tress, instead of hov­er­ing over the floor — com­pli­cat­ing inves­ti­ga­tors’ expla­na­tion of how he hanged him­self.

    Some of the evi­dence was not pho­tographed in Epstein’s cell, but instead appeared to be in an entire­ly dif­fer­ent room — one with floor tiles dis­tinct from the bare con­crete of Epstein’s cell. These pic­tures show a defib­ril­la­tor and anoth­er strip of orange cloth tied into a noose-like shape. It is vis­i­bly dif­fer­ent from the one shown hang­ing from Epstein’s bed frame.

    There is no indi­ca­tion in offi­cial reports where this noose was found, or which of sev­er­al knot­ted strips of bed linen may have been removed from around Epstein’s neck. A ren­der­ing of this noose was includ­ed in Epstein’s offi­cial autop­sy. But the Jus­tice Depart­ment lat­er revealed in its 2023 report that “the noose depict­ed is not the lig­a­ture Epstein used to kill him­self.”

    By the time FBI agents arrived, it was clear their work would be scru­ti­nized by the top brass inside the Jus­tice Depart­ment.

    ...

    There is no indi­ca­tion in any offi­cial report that an FBI crime scene inves­ti­ga­tors, offi­cial­ly known as an Evi­dence Response Team, ever ran fin­ger­prints or DNA tests on any­thing found in the cell.

    Epstein’s autop­sy report indi­cates med­ical exam­in­ers col­lect­ed fin­ger­nail clip­pings, and swabs from his neck and hands. Epstein’s broth­er Mark told CBS News that he still has­n’t received any infor­ma­tion about the results of DNA tests, if they were car­ried out, and Barr said in his depo­si­tion that he could­n’t remem­ber if they had been done.

    A 2024 report by Depart­ment of Jus­tice researchers warned that inves­ti­ga­tors risk miss­ing an impor­tant “oppor­tu­ni­ty” to gath­er evi­dence “if DNA is not col­lect­ed at the scene as need­ed or at the time of exam­i­na­tion.” They advised that “body swabs should be con­sid­ered both at the scene and dur­ing autop­sy.”

    Weis­berg said inves­ti­ga­tors left too many stones unturned, miss­ing the oppor­tu­ni­ty to close the case in a way that would feel con­clu­sive to the pub­lic.

    ...

    The FBI “inspect­ed the cell and retrieved what [they] believed to be rel­e­vant to its inves­ti­ga­tion into the cause of Epstein’s death, which includ­ed one torn sheet, mis­cel­la­neous papers, and an MP3 play­er,” inspec­tor gen­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors wrote in the 2023 report.

    Foren­sic ana­lyst Bar­reiro said he con­sid­ered the agen­cy’s treat­ment of the scene to be strik­ing.

    “Some real­ly shod­dy work here, if you can even call it that,” Bar­reiro said. “I mean there’s an absence of work here.”

    One basic pro­ce­dure, which Bar­reiro referred to as “evi­dence pho­tog­ra­phy 101,” is pho­tograph­ing scenes in a pro­gres­sion that goes from a wide shot to close-ups, with mark­ers iden­ti­fy­ing evi­dence.

    “There’s no evi­dence mark­ers in any of these pho­tographs. Like, how do you keep track once you get the stuff back to the crime lab? This is essen­tial­ly use­less,” said Bar­reiro, a for­mer police detec­tive and an FBI-trained mem­ber of the Dig­i­tal Imag­ing and Video Recov­ery Team.

    Richard Espos­i­to, a for­mer New York Police Depart­ment deputy com­mis­sion­er said, “it appears there may have been sev­er­al pro­ce­dur­al, oper­a­tional, and inves­tiga­tive mis­steps at this crime scene.”

    ...

    Inter­views

    Fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors ques­tioned 54 peo­ple before issu­ing their final report, includ­ing three inmates who had been housed on Epstein’s tier, as well as jail staff, admin­is­tra­tors, con­trac­tors and his broth­er. How­ev­er, sev­er­al oth­er wit­ness­es or their rep­re­sen­ta­tives told CBS News they were not inter­viewed. That includ­ed many oth­er inmates housed in Epstein’s tier the night of his death, at least one staffer who arrived at Epstein’s cell short­ly after his body was found and near­ly all of the vis­i­tors he saw in the days lead­ing up to his death.

    Two wit­ness­es who did pro­vide eye­wit­ness accounts, with their lawyers present, were in the cell direct­ly across from Epstein’s the night he died. One described see­ing Thomas, the first cor­rec­tions offi­cer on scene, enter Epstein’s cell and begin per­form­ing CPR, only to emerge hold­ing a rope and a defib­ril­la­tor. The oth­er said he saw Thomas enter and shake Epstein. He said Thomas tried to pick Epstein up, but fell over. He then began giv­ing chest com­pres­sions, the inmate said.

    The accounts, which appear in the offi­cial report, do not explain what is seen in pho­tos of the jail tier — their cell win­dows cov­ered by papers that could have obscured any view out­side.

    It’s not clear if the cell win­dow was papered over in the time after Epstein’s death but before the first pho­tos were snapped. The Bureau of Pris­ons declined to com­ment.

    Attempts to reach Thomas were unsuc­cess­ful. A lawyer for his for­mer cowork­er, Tova Noel, said she would not com­ment. The for­mer offi­cers agreed to be inter­viewed by inves­ti­ga­tors in 2021, as part of a deal that saw pros­e­cu­tors drop charges of fal­si­fy­ing records relat­ed to manda­to­ry checks on Epstein and oth­er inmates, after falling asleep on the job.

    Oth­er staffers with first-hand knowl­edge of the scene and oth­er events were nev­er con­tact­ed by fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors, accord­ing to inter­views with CBS News.

    Inves­ti­ga­tors also decid­ed not to inter­view some of Epstein’s vis­i­tors, sev­er­al sources told CBS News. The inmate spent the bulk of his day­light hours with a large, rotat­ing cast of attor­neys — includ­ing on the day before his death. The younger lawyers were there not only to pro­vide coun­sel, but also “to basi­cal­ly hold his hand” and “babysit,” accord­ing to one source. They kept Epstein com­pa­ny, chat­ting with him about life, pol­i­tics, lit­er­a­ture and any oth­er top­ic that came to his mind.

    “You’d think if the inves­ti­ga­tion was a pri­or­i­ty, they’d want to take a run at the younger peo­ple who were work­ing for him,” one source told CBS News. “Noth­ing.”

    One lawyer who vis­it­ed Epstein nine days before his death was David Schoen. He said Epstein told him he was active­ly plan­ning to fight the crim­i­nal charges levied against him.

    “And this is why I’ve said, that in my view — I don’t have any­thing to base it on oth­er than anec­do­tal — I don’t think he com­mit­ted sui­cide, because he was very engaged in the idea of fight­ing the case,” Schoen said. “He hired me. And to kill him­self nine days lat­er would­n’t have made a lot of sense.”

    While many who were close to Epstein have pub­licly ques­tioned that he died by sui­cide, Barr has said it was — and remains — the most log­i­cal con­clu­sion. The alter­na­tive would’ve been too com­pli­cat­ed, Barr said in his August depo­si­tion.

    “This would’ve required coor­di­na­tion from prob­a­bly two dozen peo­ple, maybe, with­in the prison. And all these peo­ple were in dif­fer­ent groups,” Barr said. “You know, the peo­ple who were repair­ing the cam­eras, the peo­ple who, you know, were respon­si­ble for open­ing and clos­ing the door, the peo­ple who were respon­si­ble for putting in a new cell­mate, things like that. ”

    ———–

    “In cell where Jef­frey Epstein died, a scene of dis­ar­ray that nev­er under­went thor­ough inspec­tion, experts said” By Daniel Ruetenik, Graa­ham Kates, Cara Tabach­nick; CBS News; 10/09/2025

    ““The FBI lit­er­al­ly has all of the best tools. I mean, spared no expense. They have every tool you can imag­ine. And they used none of it as far as we can tell,” foren­sic ana­lyst Nick Bar­reiro said after review­ing the pho­tos, many of which have nev­er been pub­lished. “How are there not way more peo­ple point­ing out the absur­di­ty of this?””

    How are there not more peo­ple point­ing out the absur­di­ties of the inves­ti­ga­tion. That was foren­sic ana­lyst Nick Bar­reiro’s assess­ment, which was based, in part, on pho­tos that have nev­er been pub­lished. Which might explain, in part, the rel­a­tive lack of out­cry over the absurdities...some of the most absurd infor­ma­tion was nev­er pub­licly released. In oth­er words, it’s worse than it looks. And it looks real­ly bad, espe­cial­ly after the release of sur­veil­lance video the night Epstein died. So bad that CBS News appar­ent­ly decid­ed to take anoth­er look at this col­lec­tion of pho­tos that were pre­vi­ous­ly obtained by 60 Min­utes, and dis­cov­er­ing one inves­tiga­tive ‘lapse in pro­ce­dure’ after anoth­er by fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors:

    ...
    The images were pre­vi­ous­ly obtained by 60 Min­utes. After the recent release of sur­veil­lance video from the night Epstein died, which appeared to show details that con­tra­dict­ed offi­cial reports, CBS News reviewed them and oth­er doc­u­ments with sev­er­al foren­sic experts.

    The results of the fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tion were made pub­lic in 2023, four years after Epstein’s death, in a report by the Depart­ment of Jus­tice Office of Inspec­tor Gen­er­al. It con­clud­ed that the financier, who entered a guilty plea in 2008 on state-lev­el charges of procur­ing a child for pros­ti­tu­tion, died by sui­cide. That matched the find­ings shared by Attor­ney Gen­er­al William Barr, who told Con­gress in August he had no doubts that Epstein had tak­en his own life. But lin­ger­ing ques­tions, raised by indi­vid­u­als includ­ing Epstein’s lawyers and broth­er, have fueled con­tin­ued spec­u­la­tion and sus­pi­cion.

    ...

    Noth­ing about the CBS News review into the inves­ti­ga­tion of Epstein’s death sug­gests foul play. But the review found that the fed­er­al probe did not fol­low typ­i­cal inves­tiga­tive pro­ce­dures into a sus­pi­cious death.
    ...

    But it’s not just the FBI who was mak­ing all these mis­takes. Pho­to­graph­ic evi­dence shows a crime scene in dis­ar­ray in the sev­en hour gap between when Epstein’s body was first dis­cov­ered and the arrival of FBI agents. Recall how the han­dling of Epstein’s body includ­ed remov­ing the body from the cell and tak­ing it to the jail infir­mary before trans­fer­ring it to the hos­pi­tal. Plen­ty of oppor­tu­ni­ties for crit­i­cal evi­dence to be lost. But it’s not just that evi­dence was lost or mis­han­dled at the crime scene. The staff appar­ent­ly could not say how he was found in the jail cell oth­er than to say ‘we found him on the ground’. Items were moved around the cell and incon­sis­tent with how it was described in the offi­cial report. And note how the first pho­to was­n’t tak­en until 9:34 am, three hours after his body was found. As for­mer New York Police Depart­ment detec­tive Her­man Weis­berg put it, “It def­i­nite­ly appeared to me that the scene was, for lack of a bet­ter term, staged a bit”:

    ...
    And details pulled from 90 pho­tos of the cell and oth­er evi­dence col­lect­ed in the hours after Epstein’s death — but before FBI agents arrived to process the scene — appear to show a suc­ces­sion of basic over­sights, rang­ing from an absence of evi­dence mark­ers to items being moved, experts told CBS News.

    ...

    Epstein’s body was dis­cov­ered at 6:30 a.m. on Aug. 10, 2019 by cor­rec­tions offi­cer Michael Thomas when he arrived at his cell to deliv­er break­fast. Thomas said he found the accused felon in a near-seat­ed posi­tion, sus­pend­ed from the top of the bunk by a home­made noose, with his legs straight out and his but­tocks approx­i­mate­ly 1 inch to 1 and a half inch­es off the floor, accord­ing to the inspec­tor gen­er­al’s report. Inter­nal cor­rec­tions depart­ment mem­os obtained exclu­sive­ly by CBS News described him as “cold,” with “no pal­pa­ble puls­es.”

    The first FBI agents arrived at the cell more than sev­en hours lat­er, at 1:35 p.m., accord­ing to the 2023 report. But when they arrived, pho­tos show they found a dis­or­ga­nized, rifled-through clut­ter. Cru­cial­ly, Epstein’s life­less body had already been removed from the cell, elim­i­nat­ing a crit­i­cal source of infor­ma­tion inves­ti­ga­tors would need to deter­mine how and when he died, foren­sic pathol­o­gist Michael Baden said.

    “The fact that he was moved dimin­ish­es the abil­i­ty to deter­mine how long he was dead before he was found,” Baden said.

    Emer­gency med­ical tech­ni­cians wrote in their report on the inci­dent, which was obtained by CBS News, that the staff they inter­act­ed with could not say when Epstein was last seen alive or describe how he “was found in [the] jail cell oth­er than to say ‘we found him on the ground.’ ”

    Inside the cell, piles of linens had been strewn about, mat­tress­es were squeezed into a cor­ner on the floor near his bunk bed and Epstein’s per­son­al items were rearranged or moved, pho­tos from the scene show. Experts who reviewed pho­tos of the scene for CBS News said there were also incon­sis­ten­cies between the inves­ti­ga­tors’ offi­cial reports and what the images show.

    “In those pho­tographs, it was obvi­ous that things were moved around,” said for­mer New York Police Depart­ment detec­tive Her­man Weis­berg, who is now man­ag­ing direc­tor of Sage Intel­li­gence. “It def­i­nite­ly appeared to me that the scene was, for lack of a bet­ter term, staged a bit.”

    Epstein’s med­ica­tions, a spe­cial mask for treat­ing sleep apnea, and at least one piece of fab­ric tied into a noose appeared in dif­fer­ent places over the course of 90 min­utes, when a pho­tog­ra­ph­er from the med­ical exam­in­er’s office was doc­u­ment­ing the scene.

    ...

    “It almost appears to me that who­ev­er was inves­ti­gat­ing this just took it at face val­ue that it was a sui­cide with no foul play what­so­ev­er, sus­pect­ed,” Weis­berg said. “But in a sit­u­a­tion as high-pro­file as this, I would always, as an inves­ti­ga­tor, con­sid­er that there might be foul play.”

    ...

    The sequence of evi­dence pho­tos starts with a pic­ture of the stairs lead­ing up to Epstein’s cell­block, Tier L. Under­ly­ing data from the pho­to shows it was tak­en at 9:34 a.m. — three hours after Epstein’s body was found, and four hours before fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors arrived.

    Time went by even as the nation’s top law enforce­ment offi­cer sought a rapid inves­ti­ga­tion.

    “I was obvi­ous­ly cov­er­ing it very quick­ly and want­ed to rule out any­thing oth­er than sui­cide,” Barr told Con­gress in August, adding that “with­in an hour, or min­utes of find­ing out about it, I direct­ed the [inspec­tor gen­er­al] to have peo­ple in New York go to the scene and con­duct an inves­ti­ga­tion.”
    ...

    But things did­n’t get bet­ter after the FBI arrived. It was just more ‘mis­takes’. Like pho­tograph­ing scenes in a pro­gres­sion that goes from a wide shot to close-ups. Or evi­dence mark­ers. That did­n’t hap­pen. The FBI col­lect­ed unus­able evi­dence:

    ...
    The FBI “inspect­ed the cell and retrieved what [they] believed to be rel­e­vant to its inves­ti­ga­tion into the cause of Epstein’s death, which includ­ed one torn sheet, mis­cel­la­neous papers, and an MP3 play­er,” inspec­tor gen­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors wrote in the 2023 report.

    Foren­sic ana­lyst Bar­reiro said he con­sid­ered the agen­cy’s treat­ment of the scene to be strik­ing.

    “Some real­ly shod­dy work here, if you can even call it that,” Bar­reiro said. “I mean there’s an absence of work here.”

    One basic pro­ce­dure, which Bar­reiro referred to as “evi­dence pho­tog­ra­phy 101,” is pho­tograph­ing scenes in a pro­gres­sion that goes from a wide shot to close-ups, with mark­ers iden­ti­fy­ing evi­dence.

    “There’s no evi­dence mark­ers in any of these pho­tographs. Like, how do you keep track once you get the stuff back to the crime lab? This is essen­tial­ly use­less,” said Bar­reiro, a for­mer police detec­tive and an FBI-trained mem­ber of the Dig­i­tal Imag­ing and Video Recov­ery Team.

    Richard Espos­i­to, a for­mer New York Police Depart­ment deputy com­mis­sion­er said, “it appears there may have been sev­er­al pro­ce­dur­al, oper­a­tional, and inves­tiga­tive mis­steps at this crime scene.”
    ...

    The crime scene was so tam­pered with that inves­ti­ga­tors were nev­er able to deter­mine which strip of bed­sheet was around his neck when he died. But it gets worse. Because the strip of bed­sheet that inves­ti­ga­tors appar­ent­ly ini­tial­ly believed was used to hang him­self would­n’t have been long enough to phys­i­cal­ly allow Epstein to hang him­self in the posi­tion he was report­ed­ly found. Beyond that, some of the pho­tos of the crime scene appear to be a com­plete­ly dif­fer­ent cell. But a dif­fer­ent cell with a defib­ril­la­tor and anoth­er strip of orange cloth tied into a noose-like shape. A com­plete­ly sep­a­rate cell was used to stage some of these pho­tos! How is that not evi­dence of a cov­er up?

    ...
    From the first pho­to to the last, it is clear the scene in the cell was chaot­ic — so much so that inves­ti­ga­tors nev­er con­clu­sive­ly deter­mined which strip of bed­sheet was around Epstein’s neck when he died.

    Pho­tos of the bed also raise ques­tions. One shows an orange string hang­ing from a bar. This pic­ture was includ­ed in a 2023 report by the Depart­ment of Jus­tice’s Inspec­tor Gen­er­al, along­side a descrip­tion of how Epstein was found, sug­gest­ing inves­ti­ga­tors believed that was what he had used to hang him­self.

    If that was the case, and the room had­n’t been dis­turbed before the pho­tog­ra­ph­er arrived, Epstein’s rear would have come to rest on a mat­tress, instead of hov­er­ing over the floor — com­pli­cat­ing inves­ti­ga­tors’ expla­na­tion of how he hanged him­self.

    Some of the evi­dence was not pho­tographed in Epstein’s cell, but instead appeared to be in an entire­ly dif­fer­ent room — one with floor tiles dis­tinct from the bare con­crete of Epstein’s cell. These pic­tures show a defib­ril­la­tor and anoth­er strip of orange cloth tied into a noose-like shape. It is vis­i­bly dif­fer­ent from the one shown hang­ing from Epstein’s bed frame.

    There is no indi­ca­tion in offi­cial reports where this noose was found, or which of sev­er­al knot­ted strips of bed linen may have been removed from around Epstein’s neck. A ren­der­ing of this noose was includ­ed in Epstein’s offi­cial autop­sy. But the Jus­tice Depart­ment lat­er revealed in its 2023 report that “the noose depict­ed is not the lig­a­ture Epstein used to kill him­self.”
    ...

    And then we get to the lack of any DNA or fin­ger­print tests. One more inex­plic­a­ble ‘mis­take’. The kind of ‘mis­take’ that might be char­ac­ter­ized as an incon­ve­nient rea­son for pub­lic skep­ti­cism. Of course, if Epstein was mur­dered, not check­ing for DNA or fin­ger­prints would be an exceed­ing­ly con­ve­nient ‘mis­take’ for those who exe­cut­ed the mur­der and don’t want it revealed:

    ...
    By the time FBI agents arrived, it was clear their work would be scru­ti­nized by the top brass inside the Jus­tice Depart­ment.

    ...

    There is no indi­ca­tion in any offi­cial report that an FBI crime scene inves­ti­ga­tors, offi­cial­ly known as an Evi­dence Response Team, ever ran fin­ger­prints or DNA tests on any­thing found in the cell.

    Epstein’s autop­sy report indi­cates med­ical exam­in­ers col­lect­ed fin­ger­nail clip­pings, and swabs from his neck and hands. Epstein’s broth­er Mark told CBS News that he still has­n’t received any infor­ma­tion about the results of DNA tests, if they were car­ried out, and Barr said in his depo­si­tion that he could­n’t remem­ber if they had been done.

    A 2024 report by Depart­ment of Jus­tice researchers warned that inves­ti­ga­tors risk miss­ing an impor­tant “oppor­tu­ni­ty” to gath­er evi­dence “if DNA is not col­lect­ed at the scene as need­ed or at the time of exam­i­na­tion.” They advised that “body swabs should be con­sid­ered both at the scene and dur­ing autop­sy.”

    Weis­berg said inves­ti­ga­tors left too many stones unturned, miss­ing the oppor­tu­ni­ty to close the case in a way that would feel con­clu­sive to the pub­lic.
    ...

    And then we get to the ‘mis­takes’ involv­ing the wit­ness inter­views. Or lack of inter­views. Why were only three oth­er pris­on­ers in Epstein’s tier inter­viewed, but not the rest? Or what about the staffer who arrived at Epstein’s cell short­ly after his body was found? Or near­ly ALL of the vis­i­tors in the days lead­ing up to his death? And pho­tos of the cells of the pris­on­ers who were inter­viewed had papers obscur­ing their win­dows, mak­ing it unclear if they even could have seen what they claimed to have wit­nessed. So almost all the wit­ness­es aren’t ever inter­viewed at all, and the hand­ful of wit­ness­es who were inter­viewed poten­tial­ly had their views obscured on the night of Epstein’s death:

    ...
    Fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors ques­tioned 54 peo­ple before issu­ing their final report, includ­ing three inmates who had been housed on Epstein’s tier, as well as jail staff, admin­is­tra­tors, con­trac­tors and his broth­er. How­ev­er, sev­er­al oth­er wit­ness­es or their rep­re­sen­ta­tives told CBS News they were not inter­viewed. That includ­ed many oth­er inmates housed in Epstein’s tier the night of his death, at least one staffer who arrived at Epstein’s cell short­ly after his body was found and near­ly all of the vis­i­tors he saw in the days lead­ing up to his death.

    Two wit­ness­es who did pro­vide eye­wit­ness accounts, with their lawyers present, were in the cell direct­ly across from Epstein’s the night he died. One described see­ing Thomas, the first cor­rec­tions offi­cer on scene, enter Epstein’s cell and begin per­form­ing CPR, only to emerge hold­ing a rope and a defib­ril­la­tor. The oth­er said he saw Thomas enter and shake Epstein. He said Thomas tried to pick Epstein up, but fell over. He then began giv­ing chest com­pres­sions, the inmate said.

    The accounts, which appear in the offi­cial report, do not explain what is seen in pho­tos of the jail tier — their cell win­dows cov­ered by papers that could have obscured any view out­side.

    It’s not clear if the cell win­dow was papered over in the time after Epstein’s death but before the first pho­tos were snapped. The Bureau of Pris­ons declined to com­ment.
    ...

    And then we get to the hap­less han­dling of the staff inter­views, with near­ly two years pass­ing before Tover Noel and Michael Thomas were even inter­viewed at all. And those inter­views only hap­pened as part of a deal that saw pros­e­cu­tors drop all charges against them over fal­si­fy­ing the records of their wel­fare checks that evening. Oth­er staffers with first-hand knowl­edge were nev­er inter­viewed at all. So the eye-wit­ness tes­ti­mo­ny from the staff was appar­ent­ly lim­it­ed to the two guards who were fac­ing pos­si­ble pros­e­cu­tions but some­how got those charges dropped:

    ...
    Near­ly two years passed before inves­ti­ga­tors inter­viewed the two key cor­rec­tions offi­cers on duty the night Epstein died in his cell in the Met­ro­pol­i­tan Cor­rec­tion­al Cen­ter in down­town New York City, in what was lat­er ruled a sui­cide, accord­ing to court doc­u­ments. One of those offi­cers was the only per­son to attest to see­ing Epstein hang­ing by a bed­sheet from his bunk.

    ...

    Attempts to reach Thomas were unsuc­cess­ful. A lawyer for his for­mer cowork­er, Tova Noel, said she would not com­ment. The for­mer offi­cers agreed to be inter­viewed by inves­ti­ga­tors in 2021, as part of a deal that saw pros­e­cu­tors drop charges of fal­si­fy­ing records relat­ed to manda­to­ry checks on Epstein and oth­er inmates, after falling asleep on the job.

    Oth­er staffers with first-hand knowl­edge of the scene and oth­er events were nev­er con­tact­ed by fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors, accord­ing to inter­views with CBS News.
    ...

    Even Epstein’s lawyer who vis­it­ed him just nine days before his death was­n’t inter­viewed. And it hap­pens to be the case that this lawyer does­n’t think Epstein killed him­self based on his inter­ac­tions with Epstein and the fact that Epstein was eager to fight his case. Which is anoth­er detail to keep in mind when it comes to a motive for killing Epstein: he was plan­ning on fight­ing his case, which is the kind legal strat­e­gy that could have been a poten­tial com­pli­ca­tion for var­i­ous inter­est­ed parties...including the fed­er­al gov­ern­ment. After all, any defense of Epstein would like­ly include all sorts of new details involv­ing the sweet­heart deal he orig­i­nal­ly worked out with fed­er­al pros­e­cu­tors and all of the cir­cum­stan­tial evi­dence that Epstein was oper­at­ing in coor­di­na­tion with intel­li­gence agen­cies. Just issu­ing a guilty plea may have been bet­ter for Epstein’s health:

    ...
    Inves­ti­ga­tors also decid­ed not to inter­view some of Epstein’s vis­i­tors, sev­er­al sources told CBS News. The inmate spent the bulk of his day­light hours with a large, rotat­ing cast of attor­neys — includ­ing on the day before his death. The younger lawyers were there not only to pro­vide coun­sel, but also “to basi­cal­ly hold his hand” and “babysit,” accord­ing to one source. They kept Epstein com­pa­ny, chat­ting with him about life, pol­i­tics, lit­er­a­ture and any oth­er top­ic that came to his mind.

    “You’d think if the inves­ti­ga­tion was a pri­or­i­ty, they’d want to take a run at the younger peo­ple who were work­ing for him,” one source told CBS News. “Noth­ing.”

    One lawyer who vis­it­ed Epstein nine days before his death was David Schoen. He said Epstein told him he was active­ly plan­ning to fight the crim­i­nal charges levied against him.

    “And this is why I’ve said, that in my view — I don’t have any­thing to base it on oth­er than anec­do­tal — I don’t think he com­mit­ted sui­cide, because he was very engaged in the idea of fight­ing the case,” Schoen said. “He hired me. And to kill him­self nine days lat­er would­n’t have made a lot of sense.”
    ...

    Despite all of these glar­ing inves­tiga­tive laps­es, there are still those defend­ing the inves­ti­ga­tion, includ­ing for­mer Attor­ney Gen­er­al Bill Barr, who makes the very inter­est­ing obser­va­tion that a con­spir­a­cy to kill Epstein would have been extreme­ly com­pli­cat­ed and involved a large num­ber of peo­ple. Which would have been a decent defense if this inves­ti­ga­tion did­n’t look like it was staged and inten­tion­al­ly botched in a man­ner that ensured hard­ly any­one was inter­viewed and most of the evi­dence seem­ing­ly staged or nev­er col­lect­ed in the first place:

    ...
    While some experts ques­tioned fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors’ treat­ment of the scene, foren­sic pathol­o­gist Judy Melinek, who used to work at the New York City Med­ical Exam­in­er’s office, said her for­mer employ­er appears to have han­dled the case by the book.

    “It’s just peo­ple doing what they nor­mal­ly do for any oth­er case,” Melinek said. “The major­i­ty of [cas­es] if you weren’t such a high pro­file dece­dent, the scruti­ny would not apply. This is how they treat every oth­er jail death of some­body who is not high pro­file.”

    ...

    While many who were close to Epstein have pub­licly ques­tioned that he died by sui­cide, Barr has said it was — and remains — the most log­i­cal con­clu­sion. The alter­na­tive would’ve been too com­pli­cat­ed, Barr said in his August depo­si­tion.

    “This would’ve required coor­di­na­tion from prob­a­bly two dozen peo­ple, maybe, with­in the prison. And all these peo­ple were in dif­fer­ent groups,” Barr said. “You know, the peo­ple who were repair­ing the cam­eras, the peo­ple who, you know, were respon­si­ble for open­ing and clos­ing the door, the peo­ple who were respon­si­ble for putting in a new cell­mate, things like that. ”
    ...

    Final­ly, it’s worth not­ing this very inter­est­ing detail when it comes to the still-devel­op­ing sweet­heart deal that is seem­ing­ly being worked out with Ghis­laine Maxwell: She does­n’t believe it was a sui­cide. On the one hand, if Maxwell is try­ing to please the Trump admin­is­tra­tion in the hopes of get­ting some sort of par­don, refut­ing the idea that Epstein killed him­self is prob­a­bly a com­pli­ca­tion. But on the oth­er hand, it’s hard to think of some­one more at risk of ‘acci­den­tal­ly com­mit­ting sui­cide’ than Ghis­laine Maxwell at this point:

    ...
    “I do not believe he died by sui­cide, no,” Epstein’s co-defen­dant, Ghis­laine Maxwell, said this sum­mer dur­ing her inter­view in August with the Deputy U.S. Attor­ney Gen­er­al Todd Blanche.
    ...

    Will Ghis­laine end up chang­ing her mind about the sui­cide ques­tion before this is all over? We’ll see, but it may not be nec­es­sary for a par­don. In the end, if Maxwell gets a pres­i­den­tial par­don, it will pre­sum­ably be in exchange for some sort of tes­ti­mo­ny that exon­er­ates Pres­i­dent Trump from his involve­ment over Epstein’s crimes. The crime of bump­ing off Epstein and cov­er­ing it up as a ‘sui­cide’ is more or less already tak­en care of at this point.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | October 22, 2025, 11:14 pm
  10. It’s been an update avalanche for the Epstein sto­ry in recent days. Trove upon trove. Hor­ri­ble new detail upon hor­ri­ble new detail. The already cor­rupt and sor­did pic­ture left even more cor­rupt and sor­did. New details rais­ing more ques­tions. The kind of ques­tions that add a dis­turb­ing new lev­el of clar­i­ty to sick sit­u­a­tion just by virtue of us hav­ing to ask them. Ques­tions that are increas­ing­ly focused on the nature of Pres­i­dent Trump’s his­to­ry with not only the ini­tial inves­ti­ga­tion into Epstein that led up to the fed­er­al gov­ern­men­t’s 2008 sweet­heart deal, but also ques­tions about Trump’s his­to­ry with one of the cen­tral fig­ures in this sto­ry: Vir­ginia Giuf­fre. And that’s on top of all the oth­er ques­tions raised by the email troves.

    The update del­uge actu­al­ly start­ed weeks before the release of the email troves, includ­ing a num­ber of updates obtained through the Giuf­fre’s posthu­mous­ly pub­lished mem­oir that came out this year fol­low­ing her mys­te­ri­ous death back in April. The oth­er mys­te­ri­ous ‘sui­cide’ in this sto­ry. Recall how Giuf­fre wasn’t just the star wit­ness in the case against Epstein. She was recruit­ed by Epstein while she was work­ing at Mar-a-Lago. And just months into Trump’s sec­ond term, Giuf­fre ends up dead after a car crash with a bus in Aus­tralia that sends her to the hos­pi­tal with injuries that include her kid­neys. Giuffe posts on social media pho­tos of her bruised face and shares that she was told she has renal fail­ure and just days to live, although her fam­i­ly lat­er clar­i­fied that the mes­sage from the doc­tors was that she would have just days to live if she left the hos­pi­tal. Author­i­ties con­tra­dict all this and claim she had just minor injuries. Sev­er­al weeks lat­er, first respon­ders are called to her res­i­dence for an unre­spon­sive adult. Her death is declared a sui­cide and that’s how it’s been report­ed ever since. No infor­ma­tion on how she died has been released and the coro­ner’s reports was poten­tial­ly embar­goed for two years. It was a ‘sui­cide’ that was, at a min­i­mum, high­ly on brand for the Epstein saga.

    A high­ly trag­ic sui­cide, but on brand. And also poten­tial­ly high­ly con­ve­nient to Pres­i­dent Trump, as the lat­est email trove makes clear. Because amid the 23,000+ emails sent and received by Jef­frey Epstein was a num­ber of high­ly inter­est­ing exchanges that raise all sorts of ques­tions about the well known falling out between Trump and Epstein over Epstein ‘tak­ing’ Giuf­fre from Mar-a-Lago. Start­ing with an email between Epstein and Maxwell in 2011 where Epstein writes, “I want you to real­ize that that dog that hasn’t barked is Trump. Vir­ginia spent hours at my house with him „ he has nev­er once been men­tioned. police chief. etc. im 75 % there.” Maxwell replies “I have been think­ing about that.”

    There’s a lot packed in that exchange. Epstein used the phrase “the dog that did­n’t bark” in ref­er­ence Trump not com­ing up once with the “police chief, etc” despite spend­ing hours with Vir­ginia [Giuf­fre] at Epstein’s house. The “dog that did­n’t bark” phrase is a ref­er­ence to a Sher­lock Holmes sto­ry — where the silence of a guard dog dur­ing a mur­der leads to the log­i­cal con­clu­sion that the dog knew the mur­der­er — used by Epstein 2011, a cou­ple of years after he was released from jail as part of his sweet­heart deal fol­low­ing an inves­ti­ga­tion that includ­ed infor­ma­tion pro­vid­ed by Giuf­fre. It’s not hard to inter­pret that an obser­va­tion by Epstein that it was odd how Trump did­n’t come up in the inves­ti­ga­tion and pros­e­cu­tion he went through, espe­cial­ly in light of Trump spend­ing hours with Vir­ginia at Epstein’s house. Epstein sus­pect­ed Trump was some­how being left out of the inves­ti­ga­tion for a rea­son: Trump was secret­ly a coop­er­at­ing wit­ness and left out of the inves­ti­ga­tion as a result. Read­ing between the lines, that appears to be what Epstein was com­mu­ni­cat­ing, with Maxwell con­cur­ring.

    And it would­n’t have been a stretch for Epstein to spec­u­late along those lines. Trump and Epstein had a famous falling out, after all. It’s at the heart of Trump’s defense over all things Epstein. Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago for ‘tak­ing’ Vir­ginia Giuf­fre who was then work­ing there at the age of 16. That’s Trump’s sto­ry and it’s not in dis­pute. Trump spend­ing hours of time with Vir­ginia at Epstein’s house, how­ev­er, was nev­er part of that sto­ry. That’s new and very sig­nif­i­cant.

    For starters, Vir­ginia Giuf­fre her­self has stat­ed that she bare­ly knew Trump, hard­ly spent any time with him, and nev­er saw him engaged in illic­it behav­ior. The claim that she spent hours with Trump at Epstein’s place is kind of the oppo­site of all that. How do we explain this con­tra­dic­tion in fact? Well, that brings us to anoth­er trag­ic update to this sto­ry: Giuf­fre pub­lished a mem­oir that was just released, posthu­mous­ly. And in the mem­oir we learn that Giuf­fre accus­es her father, Sky Roberts, of sex­u­al­ly abus­ing her start­ing at the age of 7. She was abused by oth­er men before meet­ing Epstein. But then she goes on to accuse her father of tak­ing hush mon­ey pay­ments from Jef­frey Epstein to keep his silence over Epstein’s abuse of Vir­ginia. Her broth­er Sky Roberts Jr. backs up her claims, recount­ing how her father seemed to sud­den­ly come into mon­ey and even bought a boat at one point.

    But part of what makes that abuse and hush mon­ey alle­ga­tion against her father so sig­nif­i­cant in light of this new infor­ma­tion is the fact that Trump employed her father at Mar-a-Lago and and it was her father who got her the job there at the age of 16. She also claimed it was her father who intro­duced her to Trump once and he was very nice. That was the extent of their con­tact, accord­ing to Vir­ginia. Now, per­haps that’s the case. Or per­haps the truth is much more sor­did and involves hush mon­ey. The point being that claims of Trump’s involve­ment with Epstein could have jeop­ar­dized her father, espe­cial­ly if hush mon­ey pay­ments from Trump to her father were involved. Vir­gini­a’s death means we’re forced to spec­u­late about this, but a sce­nario involv­ing Trump hush mon­ey that includes Vir­ginia drop­ping him from her claims would be in line with the rev­e­la­tion in the 2011 email that Trump spent hours with Vir­ginia at Epstein’s home. Espe­cial­ly with inves­ti­ga­tors seem­ing­ly entire­ly unin­ter­est­ed in pur­su­ing any­thing against Trump.

    Anoth­er detail to keep in mind that was revealed back in 2022 is that Giuf­fre signed a $500,000 agree­ment with Epstein in 2009, the year he was released from prison, to drop her case with­out any admis­sion of lia­bil­i­ty or fault. It’s not hard to see why Vir­ginia accept­ed the deal. She was a traf­ficked young woman try­ing to pick up the pieces of her life and her abuser gets out of prison on a fed­er­al sweet­heart deal.

    But what about the whole role Trump seem­ing played in that ini­tial inves­ti­ga­tion of Epstein? Is this some sort of excul­pa­to­ry rev­e­la­tion? That was how House Speak­er Mike John­son spun it back in Sep­tem­ber when he sug­gest­ed to reporters that Trump was the hero of this sto­ry and key gov­ern­ment wit­ness. Well, as Josh Mar­shall observed back in Sep­tem­ber, while a sce­nario involv­ing Trump play­ing a role in that inves­ti­ga­tion, per­haps even pro­vid­ing the infor­ma­tion need­ed to start the inves­ti­ga­tion in the first place, does appear to fit the known facts, the broad­er pic­ture that emerges from those known facts paint Trump as any­thing but a con­cerned cit­i­zen. On the con­trary, the pic­ture that emerges is one where Trump and Epstein found them­selves in a dis­pute over a real estate deal that became such a big source of poi­son for their bro-mance that the two were look­ing at mutu­al­ly tak­ing each oth­er down. In par­tic­u­lar, after Epstein shared with Trump how he was bid­ding on a prop­er­ty and Trump sud­den­ly swooped in a put a much high­er bid, it was Epstein who was con­sid­er­ing tak­ing Trump to court over the deal, which he knew could threat­en to reveal a mon­ey-laun­der­ing oper­a­tion with a Russ­ian oli­garch who he sus­pect­ed was ulti­mate­ly the source of the mon­ey Trump used to put in a much high­er bid. And it was right around this time that fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors got a tip about Epstein’s sex traf­fick­ing. In oth­er words, the rea­son Trump was ‘the dog that did­n’t bark’ and nev­er came up in con­ver­sa­tion with inves­ti­ga­tors is that he was one of the key coop­er­at­ing wit­ness­es, albeit a secret one. And while Mike John­son might have tried to spin that as a hero­ic act, the avail­able evi­dence sug­gests it was two scum­bag friends who had a falling out.

    It’s that scum­bag-friend­ship-gone-sour real­i­ty that brings us to anoth­er very intrigu­ing string of state­ments made by Epstein start­ing in Trump’s first term in office. Emails where Epstein shares how he views Trump as the most deranged and evil per­son he’s ever met. And dan­ger­ous. In fact, in one exchange from Decem­ber 2018, after the 2018 mid-terms when the Democ­rats retook con­trol of the House, Epstein warns his cor­re­spon­dent to con­vey a warn­ing to his Demo­c­ra­t­ic friends that , “tight­en­ing the noose too slow­ly, risks a very bad sit­u­a­tion. . Gam­bi­no was nev­er the com­man­der in chief there was lit­tle gam­bi­no could do as the walls closed in. not so with this mani­ac.

    Decem­ber 2018 also hap­pened to be a month after the Mia­mi Her­ald’s block­buster report­ing on the Epstein sto­ry that ulti­mate­ly result­ed in fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors reopen­ing the case. “It will all blow over! They’re real­ly just try­ing to take down Trump and doing what­ev­er they can to do that...!” one uniden­ti­fied per­son wrote to Epstein that month. “yes thx,” Epstein replied. “its wild. because i am the one able to take him down.” That ‘take down’ obvi­ous­ly nev­er hap­pened. On July 6, 2019, sev­en months after that ‘take down’ com­ment, Epstein is arrest­ed and sent to prison, only to end up dead in a ‘sui­cide’ a lit­tle over a month lat­er. A ‘sui­cide’ that, at this point, has all the hall­marks of a mur­der and coverup. A rather shod­dy coverup.

    That’s all part of the sor­did con­text of the new troves of doc­u­ments and the damn­ing state­ments found with­in. State­ments that don’t just con­firm what we already knew — that Trump was well aware of Epstein’s illic­it lifestyle — but now raise major ques­tions about the nature of Trump’s rela­tion­ship with the Giuf­fres, both Vir­ginia and her father. Along with new ques­tion regard­ing the pre­pos­ter­ous ‘sui­cide’ sto­ry we’ve been giv­en from fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tors. Was Pres­i­dent Trump made aware of Epstein’s com­ments in Decem­ber 2018 about how he would be the one to ‘take down’ is for­mer friend? And what about the still mys­te­ri­ous death of Vir­ginia Giuf­fre months into Trump’s sec­ond term? We don’t have those answers. But we have a lot more cir­cum­stan­tial evi­dence point­ing in some very dark direc­tions.

    Ok, first, here’s a quick look at a report from 2022 with some back­ground info that is now extra rel­e­vant in the con­text of the 2011 email where Epstein and Maxwell agree that Trump of course ‘knew about the girls’ despite mys­te­ri­ous­ly not ‘bark­ing’. Along with ques­tions of whether or not the Giuf­fre fam­i­ly ever took hush mon­ey from Trump in addi­tion to Epstein. As we learned in 2022, it turns out Vir­ginia Giuf­fre end­ed up tak­ing a $500,000 in 2009 to drop her case with­out any admis­sion of guilt, which would be right around the time Epstein was released from prison as part of his fed­er­al sweet­heart deal:

    CNN

    Prince Andrew accuser Vir­ginia Roberts Giuffre’s 2009 set­tle­ment with Jef­frey Epstein released

    By Sonia Moghe, CNN
    Updat­ed 10:02 AM EST, Tue Jan­u­ary 4, 2022

    CNN — A 2009 set­tle­ment agree­ment between sex offend­er Jef­frey Epstein and Vir­ginia Roberts Giuf­fre – the woman who accused him of sex­u­al abuse and of traf­fick­ing her to Prince Andrew and oth­er men – was unsealed Mon­day.

    It shows that Epstein paid Giuf­fre $500,000 to drop the case with­out any admis­sion of lia­bil­i­ty or fault.

    The doc­u­ment was unsealed as part of Giuffre’s sep­a­rate law­suit against Prince Andrew. She alleges that Epstein traf­ficked her and forced her to have sex with his friends – includ­ing the prince – and that Andrew was aware she was under­age (17) in the US. Prince Andrew has denied the alle­ga­tions.

    ...

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    “Prince Andrew accuser Vir­ginia Roberts Giuffre’s 2009 set­tle­ment with Jef­frey Epstein released” By Sonia Moghe; CNN; 01/04/2022

    A secret 2009 set­tle­ment between Epstein and Giuf­fre. It’s the kind of detail that gives us a strong indi­ca­tion of the role Giuf­fre played in that ini­tial inves­ti­ga­tion of Epstein. And as we can see in the fol­low­ing sto­ry about some of the details that have come out in Giuf­fre’s posthu­mous­ly pub­lished mem­oir, that was­n’t the only pay­offs Epstein was mak­ing to secure silence. Not only did her own father start sex­u­al­ly abus­ing her at a young age, _but she sus­pects he too took play­offs from Epstein. And her broth­er backs her up on both accounts:

    NBC News

    In mem­oir, Vir­ginia Giuf­fre accus­es father of abus­ing her, sug­gests he took mon­ey from Epstein

    Giuf­fre, 41, had been work­ing on the book with a co-author before she died by sui­cide in April.

    Oct. 20, 2025, 6:35 PM CDT
    By Doha Madani and Jen­nifer O’Neil

    Vir­ginia Roberts Giuf­fre, an out­spo­ken accuser of Jef­frey Epstein, alleged that her own father had abused her and sug­gest­ed that he took hush mon­ey from Epstein in a posthu­mous mem­oir releas­ing Tues­day.

    Giuf­fre, 41, had been work­ing on the book with a co-author before she died by sui­cide in April. In the mem­oir, she alleges that oth­er men had abused her before she was groomed by Epstein at age 16.

    She alleges that her expe­ri­ence with abuse began as ear­ly as 7 by her father. Her father denied the alle­ga­tion, insist­ing that he nev­er abused his daugh­ter. And in a state­ment in the mem­oir, her father said he “nev­er knew what was going on with Epstein” until he saw the news online.

    Giuffre’s broth­er Sky Roberts Jr. told NBC News’ Hal­lie Jack­son that he con­front­ed his father over the abuse alle­ga­tion.

    “I just, I said — we know,” he recalled, chok­ing up. “I mean, you were Dad. You sex­u­al­ly abused your daugh­ter. It’s absolute­ly heinous what he did.”

    Giuf­fre recounts in the mem­oir, “Nobody’s Girl: A Mem­oir of Sur­viv­ing Abuse and Fight­ing for Jus­tice,” that Epstein showed her a pho­to of her younger broth­er, then in mid­dle school, and told her to keep qui­et about “what goes on in this house.” She also sug­gest­ed in her book that her father may have tak­en mon­ey from Epstein after he began abus­ing her.

    Her broth­er recalled that their father would buy “decent­ly nice things” at points in their life, includ­ing a boat.

    “If there was a pay­ment wired to him, like it would, would be dis­gust­ing, be dis­gust­ing that he accept­ed mon­ey,” Roberts said.

    ...

    Giuf­fre pro­vid­ed fed­er­al author­i­ties with infor­ma­tion that led to the arrest and con­vic­tion of his asso­ciate Ghis­laine Maxwell. Giuf­fre said she was get­ting her life back on track after a trou­bled child­hood when she met Maxwell, who steered her into Epstein’s path.

    She alleged that the two groomed her into becom­ing a sex slave for Epstein and that Epstein traf­ficked her to oth­er promi­nent men in his cir­cle. Maxwell, a for­mer British socialite, was con­vict­ed on five counts of sex traf­fick­ing in 2021 for her role in recruit­ing young girls to be abused by Epstein.

    ...

    ———–

    “In mem­oir, Vir­ginia Giuf­fre accus­es father of abus­ing her, sug­gests he took mon­ey from Epstein” By Doha Madani and Jen­nifer O’Neil; NBC News; 10/20/2025

    “Giuf­fre recounts in the mem­oir, “Nobody’s Girl: A Mem­oir of Sur­viv­ing Abuse and Fight­ing for Jus­tice,” that Epstein showed her a pho­to of her younger broth­er, then in mid­dle school, and told her to keep qui­et about “what goes on in this house.” She also sug­gest­ed in her book that her father may have tak­en mon­ey from Epstein after he began abus­ing her.

    A sec­ond secret pay­off to buy silence. This time with her own father being the one tak­ing the mon­ey. And also being the one first start abus­ing her at the age of 7. And while Vir­ginia may have had direct evi­dence of this alleged pay­off, her broth­er agrees that their father seemed to sud­den­ly expe­ri­ence finan­cial wind­falls while they were grow­ing up:

    ...
    Giuffre’s broth­er Sky Roberts Jr. told NBC News’ Hal­lie Jack­son that he con­front­ed his father over the abuse alle­ga­tion.

    “I just, I said — we know,” he recalled, chok­ing up. “I mean, you were Dad. You sex­u­al­ly abused your daugh­ter. It’s absolute­ly heinous what he did.”

    ...

    Her broth­er recalled that their father would buy “decent­ly nice things” at points in their life, includ­ing a boat.

    “If there was a pay­ment wired to him, like it would, would be dis­gust­ing, be dis­gust­ing that he accept­ed mon­ey,” Roberts said.
    ...

    And that depress­ing and some­what shock­ing update to this hor­ri­ble sto­ry brings us to the polit­i­cal­ly dev­as­tat­ing slew of updates we got in the Epstein case fol­low­ing the release of 23,000 emails writ­ten by Epstein that was hand­ed over to the Democ­rats on the House Over­sight Com­mit­tee by the Epstein estate. Includ­ing the update in a 2011 email between Epstein and Maxwell about how Don­ald Trump was the ‘dog that did­n’t bark’ despite the ‘hours’ Trump spent at Epstein’s house with Vir­ginia Giuf­fre:

    Asso­ci­at­ed Press

    Epstein email says Trump ‘knew about the girls’ as White House calls its release a Demo­c­ra­t­ic smear

    By MICHAEL R. SISAK and ERIC TUCKER
    Updat­ed 9:31 PM CST, Novem­ber 12, 2025

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Jef­frey Epstein wrote in a 2019 email to a jour­nal­ist that Don­ald Trump “knew about the girls,” accord­ing to doc­u­ments made pub­lic Wednes­day, but what he knew — and whether it per­tained to the sex offender’s crimes — is unclear. The White House quick­ly accused Democ­rats of selec­tive­ly leak­ing the emails to smear the pres­i­dent.

    Democ­rats on the House Over­sight Com­mit­tee released three emails ref­er­enc­ing Trump, includ­ing one Epstein wrote in 2011 in which he told con­fi­dant Ghis­laine Maxwell that Trump had “spent hours” at Epstein’s house with a sex traf­fick­ing vic­tim.

    The dis­clo­sures seemed designed to raise new ques­tions about Trump’s friend­ship with Epstein and about what knowl­edge he may have had regard­ing what pros­e­cu­tors call a years­long effort by Epstein to exploit under­age girls. The Repub­li­can busi­ness­man-turned-politi­cian has con­sis­tent­ly denied any knowl­edge of Epstein’s crimes and has said he end­ed their rela­tion­ship years ago.

    ...

    The ver­sion of the 2011 email released by the Democ­rats redact­ed the name of the vic­tim, but Repub­li­cans on the com­mit­tee lat­er said it was Vir­ginia Giuf­fre, who accused Epstein of arrang­ing for her to have sex­u­al encoun­ters with a num­ber of his rich and pow­er­ful friends. Epstein took his own life in a New York jail in 2019 while await­ing tri­al on fed­er­al charges.

    The emails made pub­lic Wednes­day are part of a batch of 23,000 doc­u­ments pro­vid­ed by Epstein’s estate to the Over­sight Com­mit­tee.

    Giuf­fre said Trump ‘couldn’t have been friend­lier’

    Giuf­fre, who died ear­li­er this year, long insist­ed that Trump was not among the men who had vic­tim­ized her.

    In a court depo­si­tion, she said under oath that she didn’t believe Trump had any knowl­edge of Epstein’s mis­con­duct with under­age girls. And in her recent­ly released mem­oir, she described meet­ing Trump only once, when she worked as a spa atten­dant at his Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Flori­da, and did not accuse him of wrong­do­ing.

    Giuf­fre wrote that she was intro­duced to Trump by her father, who also worked at the club. She described Trump as friend­ly and said he offered to help her get babysit­ting jobs with par­ents at the club.

    Trump “couldn’t have been friend­lier,” Giuf­fre wrote.

    Oth­er mem­bers of Epstein’s house­hold staff also said in sworn depo­si­tions that, while Trump did stop by Epstein’s house, they didn’t see him engage in any inap­pro­pri­ate con­duct.

    Repub­li­cans says emails released to tar­nish Trump

    White House spokes­woman Karo­line Leav­itt said Democ­rats “selec­tive­ly leaked emails” to “cre­ate a fake nar­ra­tive to smear Pres­i­dent Trump.”

    ...

    In July, Trump said he had banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago because his one-time friend was “tak­ing peo­ple who worked for me,” includ­ing Giuf­fre. The women, he said, were “tak­en out of the spa, hired by him — in oth­er words, gone.”

    “I said, ‘Lis­ten, we don’t want you tak­ing our peo­ple,’” Trump told reporters. Asked if Giuf­fre was one of the employ­ees poached by Epstein, the pres­i­dent demurred but then said Epstein “stole her.”

    Short­ly after Democ­rats released the Trump-relat­ed emails, com­mit­tee Repub­li­cans coun­tered by dis­clos­ing what they said was an addi­tion­al 20,000 pages of doc­u­ments from Epstein’s estate. Among them were a trove of emails writ­ten over sev­er­al years by Epstein, includ­ing many where he com­ment­ed — often unfa­vor­ably — on Trump’s rise in pol­i­tics and cor­re­spond­ed with jour­nal­ists.

    Emails revive ques­tions about Trump’s rela­tion­ship with Epstein

    The release resur­faces a sto­ry­line that had shad­owed Trump’s pres­i­den­cy dur­ing the sum­mer when the FBI and the Jus­tice Depart­ment abrupt­ly announced that they would not be releas­ing addi­tion­al doc­u­ments that inves­ti­ga­tors had spent weeks exam­in­ing, dis­ap­point­ing con­spir­a­cy the­o­rists and online sleuths who had expect­ed to see new rev­e­la­tions.

    In one 2019 email to jour­nal­ist Michael Wolff, who has writ­ten exten­sive­ly about Trump, Epstein wrote of Trump, “of course he knew about the girls as he asked ghis­laine to stop.”

    In an April 2, 2011, email to Maxwell, a for­mer Epstein girl­friend now impris­oned for con­spir­ing to engage in sex traf­fick­ing, Epstein wrote, “I want you to real­ize that that dog that hasn’t barked is Trump. Vir­ginia spent hours at my house with him „ he has nev­er once been men­tioned. police chief. etc. im 75 % there.”

    Maxwell replied the same day: “I have been think­ing about that.”

    Leav­itt said the per­son ref­er­enced in the emails is Giuf­fre, who had accused Britain’s then-Prince Andrew and oth­er influ­en­tial men of sex­u­al­ly exploit­ing her as a teenag­er and who died by sui­cide in April. Andrew, who recent­ly was stripped of his titles and evict­ed from his roy­al res­i­dence by King Charles III after weeks of pres­sure to act over his rela­tion­ship with Epstein, has reject­ed Giuffre’s alle­ga­tions and said he didn’t recall meet­ing her.

    It wasn’t clear what Epstein meant by say­ing that Trump was a dog that “hadn’t barked,” but both he and Maxwell in oth­er cor­re­spon­dence accused Giuf­fre of fab­ri­cat­ing sto­ries about her sup­posed sex­u­al inter­ac­tions with famous men.

    Leav­itt said in a state­ment that Giuf­fre had “repeat­ed­ly said Pres­i­dent Trump was not involved in any wrong­do­ing what­so­ev­er and ‘couldn’t have been friend­lier’ to her in their lim­it­ed inter­ac­tions.”

    “The fact remains that Pres­i­dent Trump kicked Jef­frey Epstein out of his club decades ago for being a creep to his female employ­ees, includ­ing Giuf­fre,” the state­ment said. “These sto­ries are noth­ing more than bad-faith efforts to dis­tract from Pres­i­dent Trump’s his­toric accom­plish­ments, and any Amer­i­can with com­mon sense sees right through this hoax and clear dis­trac­tion from the gov­ern­ment open­ing back up again.”

    ...

    Maxwell’s inter­view with the Jus­tice Depart­ment

    Maxwell, inter­viewed in July by the Jus­tice Department’s sec­ond-in-com­mand, repeat­ed­ly denied wit­ness­ing any sex­u­al­ly inap­pro­pri­ate inter­ac­tions involv­ing Trump.

    “I actu­al­ly nev­er saw the Pres­i­dent in any type of mas­sage set­ting,” Maxwell told Deputy Attor­ney Gen­er­al Todd Blanche, accord­ing to a tran­script of the inter­view. “I nev­er wit­nessed the Pres­i­dent in any inap­pro­pri­ate set­ting in any way. The Pres­i­dent was nev­er inap­pro­pri­ate with any­body. In the times that I was with him, he was a gen­tle­man in all respects.”

    Giuf­fre came for­ward pub­licly after an ini­tial inves­ti­ga­tion end­ed in an 18-month Flori­da jail term for Epstein, who made a secret deal to avoid fed­er­al pros­e­cu­tion by plead­ing guilty instead to rel­a­tive­ly minor state-lev­el charges of solic­it­ing pros­ti­tu­tion. He was released in 2009.

    In sub­se­quent law­suits, Giuf­fre said she was a teenage spa atten­dant at Mar-a-Lago when she was approached in 2000 by Maxwell.

    ...

    ———-

    “Epstein email says Trump ‘knew about the girls’ as White House calls its release a Demo­c­ra­t­ic smear” By MICHAEL R. SISAK and ERIC TUCKER; Asso­ci­at­ed Press; 11/12/2025

    “The dis­clo­sures seemed designed to raise new ques­tions about Trump’s friend­ship with Epstein and about what knowl­edge he may have had regard­ing what pros­e­cu­tors call a years­long effort by Epstein to exploit under­age girls. The Repub­li­can busi­ness­man-turned-politi­cian has con­sis­tent­ly denied any knowl­edge of Epstein’s crimes and has said he end­ed their rela­tion­ship years ago.

    Not only is Pres­i­dent Trump com­plete­ly inno­cent of any Epstein-relat­ed crimes but he had no idea it was hap­pen­ing. That’s long been the nar­ra­tive com­ing from the Trump’s team of spin doc­tors when­ev­er this top­ic comes up. A nar­ra­tive direct­ly con­tra­dict­ed by the 23,000 doc­u­ments just released by the Democ­rats on the House Over­sight Com­mit­tee. Along with addi­tion­al 20,000 pages sub­se­quent­ly released by the House Repub­li­cans. The world just got two new troves of Epstein-relat­ed mate­r­i­al. Fas­ci­nat­ing­ly, both troves came from the Epstein estate. As we’ve seen, fed­er­al pros­e­cu­tors have been extra­or­di­nar­i­ly lenient when it comes to the han­dling of estate in the wake of Epstein’s death, leav­ing the execu­tors hun­dreds of mil­lions of dol­lars in assets to be used at their dis­cre­tion in keep­ing with Epstein’s will. A will craft­ed just days before his ‘sui­cide’. In addi­tion, while Mark Epstein want­ed to file a wrong­ful death law­suit in response to his broth­er’s death, which he saw as a “slam dunk” case, that suit nev­er hap­pened thanks to the deci­sion of the estate not to pur­sue it. The nature of the Epstein estate’s rela­tion­ship with the fed­er­al gov­ern­ment is one of the big remain­ing mys­ter­ies in this sto­ry and it’s that same estate that pro­vid­ed both of these email batch­es:

    ...
    The emails made pub­lic Wednes­day are part of a batch of 23,000 doc­u­ments pro­vid­ed by Epstein’s estate to the Over­sight Com­mit­tee.

    ...

    Short­ly after Democ­rats released the Trump-relat­ed emails, com­mit­tee Repub­li­cans coun­tered by dis­clos­ing what they said was an addi­tion­al 20,000 pages of doc­u­ments from Epstein’s estate. Among them were a trove of emails writ­ten over sev­er­al years by Epstein, includ­ing many where he com­ment­ed — often unfa­vor­ably — on Trump’s rise in pol­i­tics and cor­re­spond­ed with jour­nal­ists.
    ...

    As we’ve seen, part of what makes the idea that Pres­i­dent Trump had no idea about Epstein’s under-age sex-traf­fick­ing life-style is the fact that he has simul­ta­ne­ous­ly attempt­ed to deflate this sto­ry by empha­siz­ing how he kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago because Epstein was “tak­ing peo­ple who worked for me,” most notably Vir­ginia Giuf­fre. As many have observed, it’s rather dif­fi­cult to get angry about Epstein “tak­ing” Trump’s employ­ees like Vir­ginia Giuf­fre while simul­ta­ne­ous­ly not know­ing any­thing about Epstein’s sex crimes. What did he think Epstein was hir­ing her for? And those con­tra­dict­ing claims from Trump bring us to the damn­ing state­ment found in a 2019 email from Epstein to Michael Wolff about how “of course he knew about the girls as he asked ghis­laine to stop.” It’s hard to argue with Epstein’s log­ic. Of course Trump knew:

    ...
    In July, Trump said he had banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago because his one-time friend was “tak­ing peo­ple who worked for me,” includ­ing Giuf­fre. The women, he said, were “tak­en out of the spa, hired by him — in oth­er words, gone.”

    “I said, ‘Lis­ten, we don’t want you tak­ing our peo­ple,’” Trump told reporters. Asked if Giuf­fre was one of the employ­ees poached by Epstein, the pres­i­dent demurred but then said Epstein “stole her.”

    ...

    In one 2019 email to jour­nal­ist Michael Wolff, who has writ­ten exten­sive­ly about Trump, Epstein wrote of Trump, “of course he knew about the girls as he asked ghis­laine to stop.”
    ...

    But then we get to the April 2011 email between Epstein and Maxwell where Epstein writes, “I want you to real­ize that that dog that hasn’t barked is Trump. Vir­ginia spent hours at my house with him „ he has nev­er once been men­tioned. police chief. etc. im 75 % there.” That sure looks like Epstein is observ­ing how Trump’s name nev­er came up dur­ing the inves­ti­ga­tion that start­ed back in 2006 and result­ed in that 2008 sweet­heart deal, which is all the more notable giv­en the hours Trump spent with Giuf­fre at Epstein’s house. Giuf­fre, of course, set­tled with Epstein in 2009, which is a reminder that her state­ments would have very much been part of the ini­tial inves­ti­ga­tion into Epstein. So Epstein and Maxwell know Trump spent hours with Giuf­fre and that her state­ments were going to be inte­gral to the inves­ti­ga­tion he just went through, and yet some­how Trump’s name nev­er came up. Yeah, it’s sus­pi­cious:

    ...
    In an April 2, 2011, email to Maxwell, a for­mer Epstein girl­friend now impris­oned for con­spir­ing to engage in sex traf­fick­ing, Epstein wrote, “I want you to real­ize that that dog that hasn’t barked is Trump. Vir­ginia spent hours at my house with him „ he has nev­er once been men­tioned. police chief. etc. im 75 % there.”

    Maxwell replied the same day: “I have been think­ing about that.”

    Leav­itt said the per­son ref­er­enced in the emails is Giuf­fre, who had accused Britain’s then-Prince Andrew and oth­er influ­en­tial men of sex­u­al­ly exploit­ing her as a teenag­er and who died by sui­cide in April. Andrew, who recent­ly was stripped of his titles and evict­ed from his roy­al res­i­dence by King Charles III after weeks of pres­sure to act over his rela­tion­ship with Epstein, has reject­ed Giuffre’s alle­ga­tions and said he didn’t recall meet­ing her.

    It wasn’t clear what Epstein meant by say­ing that Trump was a dog that “hadn’t barked,” but both he and Maxwell in oth­er cor­re­spon­dence accused Giuf­fre of fab­ri­cat­ing sto­ries about her sup­posed sex­u­al inter­ac­tions with famous men.

    Leav­itt said in a state­ment that Giuf­fre had “repeat­ed­ly said Pres­i­dent Trump was not involved in any wrong­do­ing what­so­ev­er and ‘couldn’t have been friend­lier’ to her in their lim­it­ed inter­ac­tions.”

    “The fact remains that Pres­i­dent Trump kicked Jef­frey Epstein out of his club decades ago for being a creep to his female employ­ees, includ­ing Giuf­fre,” the state­ment said. “These sto­ries are noth­ing more than bad-faith efforts to dis­tract from Pres­i­dent Trump’s his­toric accom­plish­ments, and any Amer­i­can with com­mon sense sees right through this hoax and clear dis­trac­tion from the gov­ern­ment open­ing back up again.”
    ...

    But what about Giuf­fre’s long insis­tence that she had­n’t been vic­tim­ized by Trump and, in fact, only met him once. It’s a claim she made in her mem­oir, after all. It’s cer­tain­ly a con­tra­dic­to­ry set of facts. But the real­i­ty is that, at this point, the pri­vate com­mu­ni­ca­tions between Epstein and Maxwell where they con­firm Trump spent hours with Giuf­fre are prob­a­bly a lot more cred­i­ble than the pub­lic state­ments made by some­one in Giuf­fre’s high­ly vul­ner­a­ble posi­tion. But then there’s the fact that it was her father who first got her the job at Mar-a-Lago and who intro­duced her to Trump. The same father she posthu­mous­ly accused in her mem­oir of molest­ing her and accept­ing hush mon­ey from Epstein. So giv­en the mul­ti­ple pay­offs for silence in to the Giuf­fre fam­i­ly from Epstein, we have to ask if there was some kind of pay­off from Trump too. Or per­haps a threat of some sort. Might that explain her lauda­to­ry state­ments about Trump?

    ...
    Giuf­fre, who died ear­li­er this year, long insist­ed that Trump was not among the men who had vic­tim­ized her.

    In a court depo­si­tion, she said under oath that she didn’t believe Trump had any knowl­edge of Epstein’s mis­con­duct with under­age girls. -And in her recent­ly released mem­oir, she described meet­ing Trump only once, when she worked as a spa atten­dant at his Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Flori­da, and did not accuse him of wrong­do­ing.

    Giuf­fre wrote that she was intro­duced to Trump by her father, who also worked at the club. She described Trump as friend­ly and said he offered to help her get babysit­ting jobs with par­ents at the club.

    Trump “couldn’t have been friend­lier,” Giuf­fre wrote.

    Oth­er mem­bers of Epstein’s house­hold staff also said in sworn depo­si­tions that, while Trump did stop by Epstein’s house, they didn’t see him engage in any inap­pro­pri­ate con­duct.

    ...

    Giuf­fre came for­ward pub­licly after an ini­tial inves­ti­ga­tion end­ed in an 18-month Flori­da jail term for Epstein, who made a secret deal to avoid fed­er­al pros­e­cu­tion by plead­ing guilty instead to rel­a­tive­ly minor state-lev­el charges of solic­it­ing pros­ti­tu­tion. He was released in 2009.

    In sub­se­quent law­suits, Giuf­fre said she was a teenage spa atten­dant at Mar-a-Lago when she was approached in 2000 by Maxwell.
    ...

    It’s those ques­tions swirling around the breakup of the Trump/Epstein ‘bro­ship’ over Epstein’s ‘steal­ing’ of Giuf­fre from Mar-a-Lago, the nature Trump’s rela­tion­ship with both Vir­ginia and her father, and the ‘dog that did­n’t bark’ make this a good time to take a look at a post by Josh Mar­shall from just over two months ago, writ­ten after House Speak­er Mike John­son made a very inter­est­ing asser­tion to jour­nal­ists: accord­ing to John­son, Pres­i­dent Trump was actu­al­ly the secret hero in the sto­ry. The guy who tipped off the FBI about Epstein’s crimes. And as Mar­shall notes, while the facts of the case point towards some very non-hero­ic actions on Trump’s part, there is a grain of truth to this nar­ra­tive. That grain being the real­i­ty that a dis­pute between Trump and Epstein over a real estate deal real­ly did poi­son their rela­tion­ship to the point where Epstein was threat­en­ing to tip off inves­ti­ga­tors about the mon­ey-laun­der­ing he sus­pect­ed Trump was involved with and Trump got ahead of him by tip­ping off the FBI. Which would be the kind of sce­nario that might lead to a ‘dog’ (the inves­ti­ga­tion) not ‘bark­ing’ about Don­ald Trump’s exten­sive his­to­ry with Epstein’s sex traf­fick­ing empire:

    Talk­ing Points Memo
    Edi­tor’s Blog

    Is This The Hid­den Part of the Trump-Epstein Dra­ma?

    by Josh Mar­shall
    09.06.25 | 11:25 am

    Let me con­nect a few dots for you that may be a key part of the Trump-Epstein dra­ma and may even be what Trump has been try­ing to keep hid­den in those files. I’m not sure quite what we’re deal­ing with here. But I think this is sig­nif­i­cant.

    Yes­ter­day Speak­er Mike John­son was on the Hill talk­ing to reporters run­ning Trump defense on the Epstein files. It sounds like pret­ty stan­dard stuff — and then he says this: “When he first heard the rumor he kicked [Epstein] out of Mar-a-Lago. He was an FBI infor­mant who tried to take this stuff down.” It’s an odd moment. Because John­son says it in this kind of off-hand­ed way and with­out expla­na­tion like it’s just one in a litany of talk­ing points. But he clear­ly sug­gests that Trump played some role bring­ing about Epstein’s down­fall, that he was an FBI infor­mant who pre­sum­ably told the author­i­ties about Epstein’s sex crimes. The clip got a lot of atten­tion on social media, unsur­pris­ing­ly. One of Trump’s top sur­ro­gates is sug­gest­ing that far from being impli­cat­ed in Epstein’s crimes, Trump is some secret good guy in the shad­ows, the guy who out of the lime­light helped the author­i­ties bring Epstein to jus­tice.

    ...

    Well, this remind­ed me of some­thing I saw in one of those recent inter­views with jour­nal­ist Michael Wolff, who has been out in the media let­ting every­one know that he has some large quan­ti­ty of taped inter­views with Epstein from dur­ing Trump’s first pres­i­den­cy but before his rear­rest and even­tu­al sui­cide.

    Wolff said that Epstein sus­pect­ed that Trump was the guy who rat­ted him out to the author­i­ties. So maybe some ver­sion of Johnson’s claim isn’t that far-fetched. But of course this isn’t actu­al­ly exon­er­at­ing at all. In fact, it impli­cates Trump about as bad­ly as any­thing we’ve heard to date. You can’t tell what you don’t know. Trump was in a posi­tion to rat out Epstein because he knew all about his oper­a­tion and had for years. They were close carous­ing bud­dies for years, par­ty­ing and try­ing to one-up each oth­er, com­pet­ing to bed young women. Whether that also includ­ed girls under 18 for Trump we don’t know for cer­tain. But we have abun­dant evi­dence about their carous­ing and bro-one-ups­man­ship with women just over 18. Even if he nev­er touched a girl under 18, Trump clear­ly knew Epstein was. If he’s the one who rat­ted Epstein out to the author­i­ties lead­ing to his 2008 plea deal, that only con­firms his knowl­edge more clear­ly.

    ...

    Epstein was try­ing to buy a South Flori­da estate. He brought Trump along to see it one time. A short time lat­er Epstein found out that Trump had gone behind his back and placed a high­er and ulti­mate­ly suc­cess­ful bid on the prop­er­ty. He’d snatched it out from under him with a much high­er bid. The prob­lem was that Trump’s entire empire in 2004 was tee­ter­ing on the edge of bank­rupt­cy. It made no sense that Trump was com­ing up with $41 mil­lion to buy this prop­er­ty. Epstein sus­pect­ed that Trump was act­ing as a front for a Russ­ian oli­garch as a mon­ey-laun­der­ing scheme. And in fact Trump did pur­chase and flip the estate two years lat­er to a Russ­ian oli­garch named Dmit­ry Rybolovlev for $95 mil­lion, or a prof­it of over $50 mil­lion dol­lars.

    Epstein was pissed for his own rea­sons (he want­ed the estate). But he also sus­pect­ed the mon­ey laun­der­ing scheme. So he threat­ened Trump that he would bring the whole thing out into the open through a series of law­suits. Right about this same time author­i­ties got a tip about Epstein’s activ­i­ties which start­ed the inves­ti­ga­tion that led to his even­tu­al 2008 plea deal.

    Two of these points are well-known. The trans­ac­tion with the Russ­ian oli­garch has been writ­ten about exten­sive­ly and was the sub­ject of crim­i­nal probes. Of course, Trump denies it was mon­ey-laun­der­ing. But that part of this sto­ry is well-known. It’s also well-known that Trump and Epstein fell out over this real estate trans­ac­tion. Those two parts of what I’m explain­ing are estab­lished parts of the Trump sto­ry. What’s new is the idea that Trump was either the key source who start­ed the Epstein inves­ti­ga­tion or one of them and that he did this to retal­i­ate against Epstein’s threats and pro­tect him­self from being exposed in a mon­ey laun­der­ing scheme.

    ...

    So why did John­son say this?

    It’s con­ceiv­able, I guess, that he was just riff­ing and that there’s noth­ing to it. But that’s a hel­lu­va riff. I don’t think you’re just spit­balling and land on the idea that the pres­i­dent of the Unit­ed States was a con­fi­den­tial source who had inside knowl­edge and start­ed the Epstein inves­ti­ga­tion. My best guess is that John­son said this because Epstein was right and Trump did rat him out to the author­i­ties. But as we said, this is not a good sto­ry for Trump, so why say it? Again, the best expla­na­tion is that it’s in those files the DOJ is sit­ting on. The White House fears it’s going to come out and so they’re putting the best spin on it they can. Trump was a real life Bruce Wayne type richie, wheel­ing and deal­ing by day, help­ing the author­i­ties take down bad guys in the shad­ows. With Trump’s most ardent sup­port­ers, they might get some trac­tion with that. But again, as not­ed above, it’s actu­al­ly super damn­ing. Yeah I knew he was a big time pedophile and we were big pals and par­tied togeth­er all the time and I was fine with it. But then he tried to expose my mon­ey laun­der­ing scheme so I called my friends at the FBI. I don’t think that’s a great sto­ry.

    ...

    ———–

    “Is This The Hid­den Part of the Trump-Epstein Dra­ma?” by Josh Mar­shall; Talk­ing Points Memo; 09/06/2025

    Wolff said that Epstein sus­pect­ed that Trump was the guy who rat­ted him out to the author­i­ties. So maybe some ver­sion of Johnson’s claim isn’t that far-fetched. But of course this isn’t actu­al­ly exon­er­at­ing at all. In fact, it impli­cates Trump about as bad­ly as any­thing we’ve heard to date. You can’t tell what you don’t know. Trump was in a posi­tion to rat out Epstein because he knew all about his oper­a­tion and had for years. They were close carous­ing bud­dies for years, par­ty­ing and try­ing to one-up each oth­er, com­pet­ing to bed young women. Whether that also includ­ed girls under 18 for Trump we don’t know for cer­tain. But we have abun­dant evi­dence about their carous­ing and bro-one-ups­man­ship with women just over 18. Even if he nev­er touched a girl under 18, Trump clear­ly knew Epstein was. If he’s the one who rat­ted Epstein out to the author­i­ties lead­ing to his 2008 plea deal, that only con­firms his knowl­edge more clear­ly.

    Is that the under­ly­ing expla­na­tion for Epstein’s ‘dog that did­n’t bark’ obser­va­tion? Was Don­ald Trump the per­son who tipped off fed­er­al author­i­ties about Epstein’s sex traf­fick­ing? We’re forced to spec­u­late, but the cir­cum­stan­tial evi­dence is com­pelling. Except, as Josh Mar­shall points out, this is hard­ly excul­pa­to­ry. Quite the oppo­site. The cir­cum­stan­tial evi­dence strong­ly points in the direc­tion of Trump tip­ping off inves­ti­ga­tors as the final act in an esca­lat­ing feud between Trump and Epstein over a 2004 real estate deal that led to Epstein threat­en­ing to expose Trump’s involve­ment in a mon­ey-laun­der­ing scheme:

    ...
    Epstein was try­ing to buy a South Flori­da estate. He brought Trump along to see it one time. A short time lat­er Epstein found out that Trump had gone behind his back and placed a high­er and ulti­mate­ly suc­cess­ful bid on the prop­er­ty. He’d snatched it out from under him with a much high­er bid. The prob­lem was that Trump’s entire empire in 2004 was tee­ter­ing on the edge of bank­rupt­cy. It made no sense that Trump was com­ing up with $41 mil­lion to buy this prop­er­ty. Epstein sus­pect­ed that Trump was act­ing as a front for a Russ­ian oli­garch as a mon­ey-laun­der­ing scheme. And in fact Trump did pur­chase and flip the estate two years lat­er to a Russ­ian oli­garch named Dmit­ry Rybolovlev for $95 mil­lion, or a prof­it of over $50 mil­lion dol­lars.

    Epstein was pissed for his own rea­sons (he want­ed the estate). But he also sus­pect­ed the mon­ey laun­der­ing scheme. So he threat­ened Trump that he would bring the whole thing out into the open through a series of law­suits. Right about this same time author­i­ties got a tip about Epstein’s activ­i­ties which start­ed the inves­ti­ga­tion that led to his even­tu­al 2008 plea deal.

    Two of these points are well-known. The trans­ac­tion with the Russ­ian oli­garch has been writ­ten about exten­sive­ly and was the sub­ject of crim­i­nal probes. Of course, Trump denies it was mon­ey-laun­der­ing. But that part of this sto­ry is well-known. It’s also well-known that Trump and Epstein fell out over this real estate trans­ac­tion. Those two parts of what I’m explain­ing are estab­lished parts of the Trump sto­ry. What’s new is the idea that Trump was either the key source who start­ed the Epstein inves­ti­ga­tion or one of them and that he did this to retal­i­ate against Epstein’s threats and pro­tect him­self from being exposed in a mon­ey laun­der­ing scheme.
    ...

    It’s hard to ignore the align­ment of facts with the sce­nario Josh Mar­shall is describ­ing. And align­ment of fact that now includes the “dog that did­n’t bark” com­ment. The more we learn, the more it real­ly does appear that Trump and Epstein were so close they were in a posi­tion to mutu­al­ly take each oth­er down. Trump just got there first. Which only makes the “I am the one able to take him down” com­ments also found in these emails all the more inter­est­ing:

    USA TODAY

    ‘I am the one able to take him down.’ What Jef­frey Epstein said about Don­ald Trump.

    A USA TODAY review of a trove of Epstein emails shows the con­vict­ed sex offend­er had sig­nif­i­cant con­cerns about his long­time friend and con­fi­dant.

    By Josh Mey­er
    Updat­ed Nov 13, 2025, 4:49 p.m. ET

    WASHINGTON – “Dirty.” “F–king crazy.” “Bor­der­line insane.” A Mafia don but with the “great dan­ger­ous pow­er” of being America’s pres­i­dent and com­man­der in chief.

    ...

    But per­haps the most intrigu­ing thing Epstein said about Trump in the 20,000-plus pages of emails pro­vid­ed by his estate was this: “I am the one able to take him down.”

    House Democ­rats released emails Nov. 12 from Epstein say­ingTrump“spent hours at my house“with one of the dis­graced financier’s vic­timsand that he “knew about the girls.” Democ­rats said the emails raise ques­tions about what Trump knew about Epstein’s crimes, which includ­ed alleged­ly sex­u­al­ly abus­ing poten­tial­ly hun­dreds of women and girls and traf­fick­ing them to oth­er wealthy men.

    ...

    ‘you see, i know how dirty don­ald is’

    On Feb. 8, 2017, three weeks after Trump first took office, for­mer Trea­sury Sec­re­tary Lawrence Sum­mers told Epstein that, “It’s ok.”

    So far, Sum­mers said of the new pres­i­dent, “He didn’t wreck (the) world and avoid­ed scan­dal.”

    Epstein, in a short­hand and typo-rid­den response, said, “recall ive told you „ I have met some very bad peo­ple „ none as bad as trump. not one decent cell in his body.. so yes- dan­ger­ous.”

    On Aug. 23, 2018, Epstein was email­ing back and forth with a friend, Kathryn Ruemm­ler, about Trump’s legal and crim­i­nal expo­sure, appar­ent­ly in con­nec­tion with an ongo­ing “hush-mon­ey” inves­ti­ga­tion in New York.

    “It makes no dif­fer­ence whether it was his mon­ey. Issue is fail­ure to dis­close,” said Ruemm­ler, the for­mer Oba­ma admin­is­tra­tion White House coun­sel. “Plus, fact that he has lied his ass off about it makes clear that he knew it was ille­gal.”

    “you see, i know how dirty don­ald is,” Epstein replied. “my guess is that non lawyers ny biz peo­ple have no idea. what it means to have your fix­er flip.”

    Days ear­li­er, Trump’s long­time fix­er and per­son­al lawyer Michael Cohen plead­ed guilty to fraud and cam­paign finance vio­la­tions, impli­cat­ing Trump in his pay­ments to two women for their silence over alleged affairs with the then-pres­i­den­tial can­di­date just before the 2016 elec­tion. Trump would even­tu­al­ly be con­vict­ed of fal­si­fy­ing busi­ness records to cov­er up they pay­ments to porn star Stormy Daniels.

    ‘Gam­bi­no was nev­er the com­man­der in chief’

    In Decem­ber of 2018, Epstein was dish­ing with Reid Wein­garten, a promi­nent white-col­lar defense attor­ney who rep­re­sent­ed him dur­ing Epstein’s fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tion into alleged sex traf­fick­ing.

    “you might want to tell your dem friends that treat­ing trump like a mafia don, ignores the fact that he has great dan­ger­ous pow­er,” Epstein wrote Wein­garten on Dec. 20, 2018. “Tight­en­ing the noose too slow­ly, risks a very bad sit­u­a­tion. . Gam­bi­no was nev­er the com­man­der in chief there was lit­tle gam­bi­no could do as the walls closed in. not so with this mani­ac.”

    ...

    Wein­garten replied that Epstein was mak­ing “Not a stu­pid point” and that Trump “is start­ing to behave very errat­i­cal­ly.”

    Epstein’s response?

    “bor­der­line insane, and cor­rober­at­ed by some that are close.”

    Epstein, who’d had a falling-out with Trump more than a decade ear­li­er, was not believed to be close to Trump dur­ing his pres­i­den­cy.

    Two weeks before Trump’s first-term inau­gu­ra­tion in Jan­u­ary 2017, Epstein con­fid­ed to a New York Times reporter that Trump’s unpre­dictabil­i­ty would be a fac­tor when deal­ing with nuclear-armed despots like Russia’s Vladimir Putin and North Korea’s Kim Jong Un.

    “Don­ald is f–cking crazy,” Epstein wrote Jan. 2, 2017, ful­ly spelling out the curse word. “I told you that.”

    On March 24, 2018, New York Times reporter Lan­don Thomas Jr., texted Epstein to say Trump “is scar­ing the sh‑t out of me now. He could well tank glob­al econ­o­my. … Maybe it’s time for you to jump in now.”

    Epstein respond­ed: “he feels alone, and is nuts !!! , I told every­one from day one. evil beyond belief mad, and most thought i was speak­ing metaphor­i­cal­ly, its obvi­ous he could crack. stormy daniels. ? lies after lies aflter lies.”

    ‘i am the one able to take him down’

    In Decem­ber 2018, the FBI and Jus­tice Depart­ment were inves­ti­gat­ing Epstein on sex traf­fick­ing charges after bomb­shell rev­e­la­tions in the Mia­mi Her­ald about his sweet­heart plea deal a decade ear­li­er. That plea agree­ment was over­seen by the top fed­er­al pros­e­cu­tor in Mia­mi, Alex Acos­ta, whom Trump had lat­er appoint­ed sec­re­tary of labor.

    “It will all blow over! They’re real­ly just try­ing to take down Trump and doing what­ev­er they can to do that...!” an uniden­ti­fied per­son wrote to Epstein on Dec. 3, 2018.

    “yes thx,” Epstein replied. “its wild. because i am the one able to take him down.”

    ...

    On July 6, 2019, sev­en months after claim­ing he was the one who could take down Trump, Epstein was arrest­ed on fed­er­al sex traf­fick­ing charges after his pri­vate plane touched down in New Jer­sey.

    Fed­er­al pros­e­cu­tors in New York had con­clud­ed they weren’t bound by the terms of his ear­li­er non-pros­e­cu­tion deal. Six days lat­er, amid pub­lic out­rage over the Epstein plea deal, Acos­ta resigned as labor sec­re­tary.

    A month after that, on Aug. 10, guards found Epstein dead in his cell at a fed­er­al jail in New York City where he was await­ing tri­al on sex traf­fick­ing charges. Inves­ti­ga­tors con­clud­ed he killed him­self.

    ...

    ———–

    “ ‘I am the one able to take him down.’ What Jef­frey Epstein said about Don­ald Trump.” By Josh Mey­er; USA TODAY; 11/13/2025

    “Epstein, in a short­hand and typo-rid­den response, said, “recall ive told you „ I have met some very bad peo­ple „ none as bad as trump. not one decent cell in his body.. so yes- dan­ger­ous.””

    Epstein was­n’t hold­ing back in his cor­re­spon­dences. Even after Don­ald Trump took office. Here he was telling Lar­ry Sum­mers how Trump was the worst per­son he ever met. But not just bad. Dirty too, as Epstein share with his friend Kathryn Ruemm­ler and for­mer Oba­ma admin­is­tra­tion White House coun­sel in 2018. Epstein was say­ing some pret­ty remark­able stuff in the years lead­ing up to his arrest and ‘sui­cide’:

    ...
    On Feb. 8, 2017, three weeks after Trump first took office, for­mer Trea­sury Sec­re­tary Lawrence Sum­mers told Epstein that, “It’s ok.”

    So far, Sum­mers said of the new pres­i­dent, “He didn’t wreck (the) world and avoid­ed scan­dal.”

    ...

    On Aug. 23, 2018, Epstein was email­ing back and forth with a friend, Kathryn Ruemm­ler, about Trump’s legal and crim­i­nal expo­sure, appar­ent­ly in con­nec­tion with an ongo­ing “hush-mon­ey” inves­ti­ga­tion in New York.

    “It makes no dif­fer­ence whether it was his mon­ey. Issue is fail­ure to dis­close,” said Ruemm­ler, the for­mer Oba­ma admin­is­tra­tion White House coun­sel. “Plus, fact that he has lied his ass off about it makes clear that he knew it was ille­gal.”

    “you see, i know how dirty don­ald is,” Epstein replied. “my guess is that non lawyers ny biz peo­ple have no idea. what it means to have your fix­er flip.”
    ...

    In fact, Epstein was even telling a New York Times reporter in ear­ly Jan­u­ary of 2017, weeks before Trump took office, that “Don­ald is f–cking crazy.” Not only was Epstein talk­ing to peo­ple, but plen­ty were appar­ent­ly inter­est­ed in what he had to say. And why not? Epstein prob­a­bly knew the real Trump bet­ter than almost any­one else on the plan­et at that point:

    ...
    Epstein, who’d had a falling-out with Trump more than a decade ear­li­er, was not believed to be close to Trump dur­ing his pres­i­den­cy.

    Two weeks before Trump’s first-term inau­gu­ra­tion in Jan­u­ary 2017, Epstein con­fid­ed to a New York Times reporter that Trump’s unpre­dictabil­i­ty would be a fac­tor when deal­ing with nuclear-armed despots like Russia’s Vladimir Putin and North Korea’s Kim Jong Un.

    “Don­ald is f–cking crazy,” Epstein wrote Jan. 2, 2017, ful­ly spelling out the curse word. “I told you that.”

    On March 24, 2018, New York Times reporter Lan­don Thomas Jr., texted Epstein to say Trump “is scar­ing the sh‑t out of me now. He could well tank glob­al econ­o­my. … Maybe it’s time for you to jump in now.”

    Epstein respond­ed: “he feels alone, and is nuts !!! , I told every­one from day one. evil beyond belief mad, and most thought i was speak­ing metaphor­i­cal­ly, its obvi­ous he could crack. stormy daniels. ? lies after lies aflter lies.”
    ...

    Then there’s the “bor­der­line insane” com­ment Epstein made in Decem­ber 2018 fol­low­ing the reopen­ing of the fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tion in the wake of new Mia­mi Her­ald report­ing that sud­den­ly rekin­dle pub­lic inter­est in the sto­ry. Epstein was basi­cal­ly warn­ing that Trump might do some­thing “dan­ger­ous” if the Democ­rats take a “Tight­en­ing the noose too slow­ly” approach to Trump. Keep in mind that the Democ­rats had just retak­en con­trol of the House in the 2018 mid-terms a month ear­li­er, which is pre­sum­ably the con­text of the com­ments. And, of course, as we saw with Trump’s insur­rec­tionary attempts to over­turn the 2020 elec­tion, Epstein was entire­ly cor­rect. Trump real­ly did do some­thing incred­i­bly dan­ger­ous when backed into a cor­ner:

    ...
    In Decem­ber of 2018, Epstein was dish­ing with Reid Wein­garten, a promi­nent white-col­lar defense attor­ney who rep­re­sent­ed him dur­ing Epstein’s fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tion into alleged sex traf­fick­ing.

    you might want to tell your dem friends that treat­ing trump like a mafia don, ignores the fact that he has great dan­ger­ous pow­er,” Epstein wrote Wein­garten on Dec. 20, 2018. “Tight­en­ing the noose too slow­ly, risks a very bad sit­u­a­tion. . Gam­bi­no was nev­er the com­man­der in chief there was lit­tle gam­bi­no could do as the walls closed in. not so with this mani­ac.”

    ...

    Wein­garten replied that Epstein was mak­ing “Not a stu­pid point” and that Trump “is start­ing to behave very errat­i­cal­ly.”

    Epstein’s response?

    “bor­der­line insane, and cor­rober­at­ed by some that are close.”
    ...

    Final­ly, there’s the “I am the one able to take him down” com­ment made in Decem­ber of 2018 fol­low­ing that Mia­mi Her­ald report­ing. Inter­est­ing­ly, the unnamed per­son Epstein was cor­re­spond­ing with when he made those com­ments sug­gest­ed “It will all blow over! They’re real­ly just try­ing to take down Trump and doing what­ev­er they can to do that...!” Which rais­es an obvi­ous ques­tion: did Pres­i­dent Trump agree with that? Did he agree the reopen­ing of the Epstein inves­ti­ga­tion (by his own DOJ) was part of some sort of attempt to ‘take down Trump’? And did he also agree that Epstein was the one who could ‘take him down’? Because if so, that’s some pret­ty com­pelling cir­cum­stan­tial evi­dence to throw onto the giant pile of sus­pi­cious facts sur­round­ing the ‘sui­cide’ and ‘inves­ti­ga­tion’ that fol­lowed:

    ...
    But per­haps the most intrigu­ing thing Epstein said about Trump in the 20,000-plus pages of emails pro­vid­ed by his estate was this: “I am the one able to take him down.”

    ...

    In Decem­ber 2018, the FBI and Jus­tice Depart­ment were inves­ti­gat­ing Epstein on sex traf­fick­ing charges after bomb­shell rev­e­la­tions in the Mia­mi Her­ald about his sweet­heart plea deal a decade ear­li­er. That plea agree­ment was over­seen by the top fed­er­al pros­e­cu­tor in Mia­mi, Alex Acos­ta, whom Trump had lat­er appoint­ed sec­re­tary of labor.

    “It will all blow over! They’re real­ly just try­ing to take down Trump and doing what­ev­er they can to do that...!” an uniden­ti­fied per­son wrote to Epstein on Dec. 3, 2018.

    “yes thx,” Epstein replied. “its wild. because i am the one able to take him down.”

    ...

    On July 6, 2019, sev­en months after claim­ing he was the one who could take down Trump, Epstein was arrest­ed on fed­er­al sex traf­fick­ing charges after his pri­vate plane touched down in New Jer­sey.

    Fed­er­al pros­e­cu­tors in New York had con­clud­ed they weren’t bound by the terms of his ear­li­er non-pros­e­cu­tion deal. Six days lat­er, amid pub­lic out­rage over the Epstein plea deal, Acos­ta resigned as labor sec­re­tary.

    A month after that, on Aug. 10, guards found Epstein dead in his cell at a fed­er­al jail in New York City where he was await­ing tri­al on sex traf­fick­ing charges. Inves­ti­ga­tors con­clud­ed he killed him­self.
    ...

    And as we’ve seen, a ‘take down’ did indeed tran­spire not long after Epstein made those com­ments. A pret­ty epic take down at that. At least, if a bla­tant mur­der and shod­dy in-your-face cov­er up can be inter­pret­ed as epic. It’s epi­cal­ly in-our-faces at a min­i­mum. All the more so with each wave of rev­e­la­tions.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | November 15, 2025, 7:27 pm
  11. It’s Epstein update time again. We got updates. A slew of them. But they aren’t exact­ly con­firmable updates. It’s more claims. But wow are they wild. Almost ‘Lyn­don LaRouche’-style wild. And almost all of them came from the same source: His­to­ri­an and biog­ra­ph­er Andrew Lown­ie, the author of a recent­ly pub­lished “Enti­tled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York” about Prince Andrew and his ex-wife Sarah Fer­gu­son.

    As we’re going to see, Lown­ie has no short­age of pre­dic­tions to make about the fate of Andrew and Fer­gie now that Andrew’s role in the Epstein sto­ry has once again blown up. Start­ing with Lown­ie’s pub­lic spec­u­la­tion sev­er­al weeks ago that both Andrew and Fer­gie were like­ly to be charged with crimes in the UK. Not sex-traf­fick­ing crimes. Pub­lic mis­con­duct, cor­rup­tion, and finan­cial crimes. In Andrew’s case, Lown­ie was pre­dict­ing a range of charges relat­ed to his time as a trade envoy for the U.K. from 2001 – 2011, when Andrew would take lav­ish trips paid for by the pub­lic that includ­ed alleged meet­ing with pros­ti­tutes and ques­tion­able per­son­al deal­ings. Beyond the ques­tion­able per­son­al deal­ings with Jef­frey Epstein. Oth­er offi­cial poten­tial crimes com­mit­ted by Andrew includ­ed ask­ing a close-pro­tec­tion offi­cer to dig up per­son­al infor­ma­tion on Vir­ginia Giuf­fre in in 2011.

    Lown­ie was pre­dict­ing jail for Andrew, call­ing him “toast”. Fer­gie, sim­i­lar­ly, faces all sorts of poten­tial­ly inves­ti­ga­tions relat­ed to her char­i­ta­ble work. Or, as Lown­ie might char­ac­ter­ize it, ‘char­i­ta­ble’ work. It sounds like Fer­gie has a his­to­ry of spe­cious­ly rais­ing mon­ey for char­i­ta­ble caus­es. Lown­ie went on to pre­dict that Andrew will ulti­mate­ly attempt to find refuse in place like Abu Dhabi. Fer­gie sim­i­lar­ly has an offer from a Boli­vian bil­lion­aire to live for free there accord­ing to Lown­ie.

    Then, a week lat­er, Anoth­er report shows up with new rev­e­la­tions from Lown­ie: Prince Andrew is in so much trou­ble he’s become a flight risk. Lown­ie went on to argue that Andrew should have his pass­port revoked to pre­vent such a sce­nario. We then learn that sources told the UK tabloid the Sun that Andrew has already been offered haven by UAE crown prince Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan (MBZ). We have no con­fir­ma­tion that such an offer was made, but it’s worth recall­ing the role MBZ played in offer­ing assis­tance to the Trump cam­paign in 2016 as part of an appar­ent joint offer of assis­tance by the crown princes of the UAE and Sau­di Ara­bia. Assis­tance that involved offered the ser­vices of the Israeli pri­vate intel­li­gence firm Psy­Group. MBZ is some­one who knows how to engage in Machi­avel­lian polit­i­cal maneu­vers. He would­n’t have tried to help Trump win in 2016 if he did­n’t feel like he was get­ting some­thing worth while in return. Which rais­es the ques­tion of what MBZ might be get­ting in return for giv­ing Andrew a place to hide from the world and who would the par­ty be that’s com­pen­sat­ing him for the effort. It’s not hard to imag­ine the British roy­al fam­i­ly would pre­fer Andrew just goes away some­where. Is MBZ offer­ing to do Andrew a favor? Or the rest of his fam­i­ly a favor?

    But that report also gave us some rather inter­est­ing details revealed in emails from Epstein: around the same time Andrew was try­ing to arrange for dirt to be dug up on Giuf­fre back in 2011, Epstein him­self was brag­ging to a pub­li­cist about how Buck­ing­ham Palace would “love it” if they could some­how dis­cred­it Giuf­fre and if they man­aged to suc­ceed they would get access to roy­al events “for the rest of our lives”. Epstein goes on to sug­gest to this pub­li­cist that they should “task some­one to inves­ti­gate the girl Vir­ginia Roberts, that has caused the Queen’s son all this agro (sic). I promise you she is a fraud. You and I will be able to go to ascot (sic) for the rest of our lives.” So around the same time Epstein is sug­gest­ing peo­ple dig up dirt on Giuf­fre, Prince Andrew tasks a close-pro­tec­tion offi­cer to do exact­ly that. This is also a good time to recall how 2011 was also the year Epstein and Maxwell exchanged the damn­ing emails about how Don­ald Trump was the ‘dog that did­n’t bark’ in rela­tion to Epstein inves­ti­ga­tion despite Trump appar­ent­ly spend­ing hours with Giuf­fre at Epstein’s house. A lot of peo­ple want­ed to do some­thing about their ‘Vir­ginia prob­lem’ that year.

    And that appar­ent desired on the part of Epstein to please the British roy­als brings us to the wildest of Lown­ie’s updates: Lown­ie made a post to his Sub­stack account that made two incred­i­ble claims. First, Lown­ie states that a retired FBI agent has come to him with infor­ma­tion about the true sta­tus of the FBI’s inves­ti­ga­tion into Epstein’s death. Accord­ing to this source, inter­nal FBI com­mu­ni­ca­tions show how the FBI takes it as a fact that Epstein was mur­dered by a “fel­low con­vict who was brought in to do this.” It’s not spec­u­la­tion. It’s a fact, accord­ing to this source. And this source even gave Lown­ie the name of this inmate and the inter­nal com­mu­ni­ca­tions, although he has yet to release it over lia­bil­i­ty rea­sons. So, if true, Lown­ie pos­sess­es at least some evi­dence for this claim.

    Then we get to the sec­ond, even wilder set of asser­tions by Lown­ie: not only was Epstein very wor­ried that Andrew and Fer­gie were going to leak infor­ma­tion about his sex traf­fick­ing oper­a­tion to save them­selves, but he was increas­ing­ly wor­ried the pair were plan­ning on hav­ing him killed in jail. Lown­ie adds that Epstein appar­ent­ly devel­oped his para­noia of roy­al assas­sins based on his years of friend­ship with Andrew who told Epstein the British roy­al fam­i­ly has a long his­to­ry of car­ry­ing out extra­ju­di­cial killings. Again, this sounds like it could have come from a LaRouche pub­li­ca­tion.

    But it gets wilder: We are then told Epstein was so wor­ried about a hit com­ing from Andrew and Fer­gie that he was in the process of try­ing to get ahead of their plot by arrang­ing for his own hit against them. Yep. That’s the claim. Duel assas­si­na­tion plots. Andrew and Fer­gie knew too much about his sex-traf­fick­ing. It was either Epstein or Andrew and Fer­gie. Some­one had to die and the roy­al ex-cou­ple got him first, accord­ing to Lown­ie.

    We are also told that Epstein went beyond just think­ing about a mur­der plot of his own. He had con­crete plans and had even estab­lished con­tact with a noto­ri­ous sniper in the UK. And then he died. Andrew and Fer­gie got him first.

    So how seri­ous­ly should we take these claims? Well, for starters, there’s a bit of a mys­tery around the sourc­ing for the claims of the assas­si­na­tion plots. When Lown­ie first made these claims on his Sub­stack account he referred to a sin­gle source, described as a for­mer friend of Epstein. But days lat­er, when the Dai­ly Beast reports on the claims, Lown­ie tells the Dai­ly Beast the claims are based on two sources close to Epstein, one in Paris and one in Palm Beach. Both sources con­firm that Epstein was increas­ing­ly para­noid about being killed by the roy­als, but it sounds like only one of the sources was behind the claims that Epstein was arrang­ing for his own hit and even made con­tact with a UK sniper. It’s not clear why Lown­ie went from one to two sources although it’s not the kind of dis­crep­an­cy that nec­es­sar­i­ly under­mines the claims.

    But then there’s the ques­tion of just how plau­si­ble these claims are giv­en the rest of the infor­ma­tion we already have about Epstein’s ‘sui­cide’ and sub­se­quent ‘inves­ti­ga­tion’. And while it would be nice to assume that these are all just fan­ci­ful claims that could­n’t have real­is­ti­cal­ly hap­pened, the sad real­i­ty is that NONE of these claims are con­tra­dict­ed by the avail­able evi­dence. Even the claims about Epstein arrang­ing a hit while being jailed in the Secu­ri­ty Hous­ing Unit (SHU) of a fed­er­al prison. Even that sce­nario could have hap­pened based on what we already know. It’s already that absurd.

    Take the claim that an inmate was brought in to kill Epstein. It’s not like that has­n’t been one of the most obvi­ous sce­nar­ios the whole time, with one of the things that makes it feel like an obvi­ous sce­nario is the fact that inves­ti­ga­tors appar­ent­ly refused to con­sid­er it. Recall how Mark Epstein claimed that inves­ti­ga­tors appar­ent­ly have only con­sid­ered the pos­si­bil­i­ty that some­one entered Epstein’s cell block to kill him, exclud­ing the pos­si­bil­i­ty of a fel­low pris­on­er car­ry­ing out the attack.

    And the more we’ve learned about the absurd con­di­tions of Epstein’s incar­cer­a­tion and the myr­i­ad of ‘mis­takes’ that led up to his death, the more plau­si­ble the inmate mur­der sce­nario gets. Start­ing with the fact that an attack by his cell­mate was ini­tial­ly sus­pect­ed fol­low­ing Epstein’s ‘sui­cide attempt’ just a cou­ple of weeks before his death. Although, as we also saw, it was­n’t exact­ly clear if the cell­mate was at fault giv­en that the cam­eras were com­plete­ly bro­ken and author­i­ties kept com­ing up with weird expla­na­tions for why they could­n’t pro­vide the footage after the cell­mate request­ed the video as part of their defense. Recall how the July 23, 2019, inci­dent where Epstein was found semi-con­scious in a fetal posi­tion on the floor of his cell, led to spec­u­la­tion of an attack by his cell­mate, Nicholas Tartaglione, a for­mer cop. Tartaglione’s defense team tried to get access to the secu­ri­ty cam­era footage and even request­ed on July 25, 2019, that the footage be pre­served, but the cam­eras were appar­ent­ly mal­func­tion­ing. On Decem­ber 19, 2019, US Attor­neys told the judge in the case inves­ti­gat­ing Tartaglione that the video footage didn’t exist. Then, the next day, jail offi­cials report­ed they found the video, but it turned out to be a video from a dif­fer­ent wing of the prison. We then learn that the FBI deter­mined that “the request­ed video no longer exists on the back­up sys­tem and has not since at least August 2019 as a result of tech­ni­cal errors.”

    But anoth­er part of what makes the inmate sce­nario an intrigu­ing one is pre­cise­ly because Epstein was left with­out a cell­mate for very strange rea­sons on the day of his death. Recall how, fol­low­ing that ini­tial ‘sui­cide attempt’, Epstein was required to have a cell­mate because it was a sus­pect­ed sui­cide attempt and so a new cell­mate, Efrain Reyes, was trans­ferred to his cell. Reyes was trans­ferred out of the deten­tion cen­ter the day before Epstein’s death and no new cell­mate was pro­vid­ed. Oh, and then it turns out the bro­ken cam­era sys­tem was also sched­uled to be repaired the day before Epstein’s death, but the guard who was going to escort the repair per­son was about to end their shift so repair per­son was forced to come back lat­er to fix it. He los­es his cell­mate AND the cam­era repairs get delayed hours before he’s found dead. Con­ve­nient coin­ci­dence upon con­ve­nient coin­ci­dence.

    And then there’s the fact that the two func­tion­ing cam­eras in the SHU did­n’t actu­al­ly cov­er who was enter­ing and exit­ing the Epstein’s tier of the SHU. And we only learned this fact from a media inves­ti­ga­tion which con­tra­dict­ed the offi­cial nar­ra­tive. It is also unclear if the door Epstein’s tier was locked because peo­ple are seen enter­ing and exit­ing while Tova and Thomas are seen nowhere near the door. And only three inmates were inter­viewed despite the tier hous­ing as many as 14 inmates. Or the ‘miss­ing minute’ right before mid­night. And the over­all inves­ti­ga­tion was found to be so cor­rupt that some of the evi­dence was lit­er­al­ly staged by inves­ti­ga­tors from a dif­fer­ent cell.

    And let’s not for­get how the two prison guards tasked with over­see­ing the SHU that evening, Tova Noel and Michael Thomas, neglect­ed to con­duct the reg­u­lar wel­fare checks and fal­si­fied the records and had charges ini­tial­ly filed against them in Novem­ber 2019 but the charges were dropped in 2021. Pret­ty much no one is get­ting pun­ished for what was, at best, a cas­cade of fail­ure.

    At the same time, it’s worth keep­ing in mind that throw­ing blame for Epstein’s death on an inmate does­n’t nec­es­sar­i­ly remove blame from the prison staff. Recall how there’s a still unex­plained mys­tery sur­round­ing that ‘miss­ing minute’ of sur­veil­lance footage and what it might tell us about who was com­ing and going from the SHU on the night of Epstein’s death. And as we saw, pri­or to the recov­ery of the ‘miss­ing minute’, there was spec­u­la­tion that a Mate­ri­als Man­ag­er who start­ed their shift at 4 PM and nor­mal­ly left right at mid­night may have left dur­ing that miss­ing minute. And, sure enough, that’s what we dis­cov­ered after the miss­ing minute was recov­ered. But that dis­cov­ery in turn raised ques­tions about who the per­son was seen also leav­ing the SHU at 12:05 am, five min­utes lat­er. That per­son has nev­er been explained. There’s no offi­cial account­ing of this per­son. Did they per­haps unlock a Epstein’s cell door and maybe anoth­er inmate’s cell? We have no idea. But the notion that anoth­er inmate was brought in to kill Epstein is sim­ply one of the most plau­si­ble sce­nar­ios based on the avail­able facts. It’s real­ly a ques­tion of whether or not Lown­ie’s source is feed­ing real infor­ma­tion. The claims are total­ly plau­si­ble.

    But what about all of the claims about mutu­al hit­man plots? And, in par­tic­u­lar, the claim that Epstein was already in con­tact with a sniper in the UK? Is that remote­ly plau­si­ble for some­one in the SHU of a fed­er­al pen­i­ten­tiary? Well, once again, we can’t actu­al­ly rule that out. The avail­able facts are just too absurd. Recall how Epstein had a meet­ing with his legal team on August 9, 2019, the day before he was found dead. After return­ing to his cell from meet­ing with his lawyers at approx­i­mate­ly 7:49 pm, Epstein asks to call his moth­er (who was long dead at that point) and actu­al­ly called his Belaruss­ian girl­friend, who is one of the main ben­e­fi­cia­ries in a trust he set up the day before that con­tained $577 mil­lion in assets at the time. And then, as we also saw in that dev­as­tat­ing CBS report, it was an unmon­i­tored phone call from a show­er that phone that unmon­i­tored and intend­ed only for attor­ney com­mu­ni­ca­tions. And that unmon­i­tored call had been facil­i­tat­ed by the unit man­ag­er, the senior offi­cer in charge. It’s kind of hard to rule out the UK hit­man sce­nario when Epstein was allowed to make unmon­i­tored phone calls like that under the per­mis­sion of the senior offi­cer in charge. Again, it’s more a mat­ter of whether or not Andrew Lown­ie can back up these claims.

    That’s our utter­ly absurd string of Epstein updates from Andrew Lown­ie. On one lev­el, it’s hard to take the mutu­al hit­man sce­nar­ios seri­ous­ly. Espe­cial­ly because it’s a nar­ra­tive that seem­ing­ly puts the blame for Epstein’s assas­si­na­tion on Prince Andrew. Or rather, for­mer-Prince Andrew. He’s just Andrew now. Which brings us to the lat­est update we received in this sto­ry, although this update isn’t based on Andrew Lown­ie. It’s based on unnamed Buck­ing­ham Palace sources alleged­ly claim­ing that Andrew has told peo­ple he feels he has noth­ing to live for and is grow­ing con­cern Andrew might do some­thing dras­tic. In oth­er words, this nar­ra­tive about a roy­al hit­man tak­ing out Epstein con­ve­nient­ly pins the blame for that absurd death on some­one who is cur­rent­ly expect­ed to com­mit sui­cide him­self. Or ‘com­mit sui­cide’, per­haps. Who knows. It’s that kind of sto­ry.

    Ok, first, here’s a look at a News Nation­al piece for sev­er­al weeks ago about Andrew Lown­ie’s pre­dic­tions of crim­i­nal charges, and even jail time, for the ex-roy­al cou­ple:

    News­Na­tion

    Prince Andrew, Sarah Fer­gu­son like­ly to be charged with crimes, exiled: Biog­ra­ph­er

    Paula Froelich
    Updat­ed: Nov 6, 2025 / 02:30 PM CST

    (News­Na­tion) — Andrew Mount­bat­ten-Wind­sor is in a lot of trou­ble — and legal­ly it’s about to get worse for him and his ex-wife, Sarah Fer­gu­son.

    The Met­ro­pol­i­tan Police (London’s police force) has pub­licly said it is “active­ly look­ing into” claims that Andrew asked a close-pro­tec­tion offi­cer in 2011 to dig up per­son­al infor­ma­tion — includ­ing date of birth and social-secu­ri­ty num­ber — about his accuser, Vir­ginia Giuf­fre.

    Mean­while, the U.K. cam­paign group Repub­lic has instruct­ed lawyers to inves­ti­gate whether to bring a pri­vate pros­e­cu­tion against Andrew for alleged sex­u­al assault, cor­rup­tion or mis­con­duct in pub­lic office.

    ...

    His­to­ri­an and biog­ra­ph­er Andrew Lown­ie, whose lat­est tome, “Enti­tled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York” told me: “Andrew is going to be charged with var­i­ous pub­lic offences and mis­con­duct in pub­lic office… he’ll prob­a­bly go to jail. The case against him is pret­ty clear. He’s absolute­ly, he’s toast.”

    Prince Andrew’s busi­ness trips come into ques­tion

    Andrew was a trade envoy for the U.K. from 2001 – 2011. It is dur­ing those years that he would trav­el the world — and meet with sala­cious and dubi­ous char­ac­ters in coun­tries like Libya, Kaza­khstan and Laos.

    Dur­ing these trips, Andrew would refuse to stay in the U.K. embassies — pre­fer­ring to have accom­mo­da­tions in five star hotels where he could have pri­va­cy from pry­ing gov­ern­ment eyes and rack up hun­dreds of thou­sands of pounds in food, accom­mo­da­tion and trav­el expens­es. It is on these trips that alleged meet­ings with pros­ti­tutes took place — as well as dubi­ous per­son­al busi­ness deal­ings.

    For exam­ple, after a trip to Kaza­khstan in 2007, Andrew sold his then-home, Sun­ninghill Park, a 12-bed­room coun­try house near Wind­sor, Berk­shire, to Kaza­khstan oli­garch Timur Kulibayev for a whop­ping $18 mil­lion… $5 mil­lion over what it was worth at the time.

    “He won’t go down for sex traf­fick­ing,” Lown­ie said. “It will be for finan­cial impro­pri­ety.”

    Fergie’s char­i­ta­ble work scru­ti­nized

    As for Andrew’s ex, Fer­gie, Lown­ie pre­dicts she will be inves­ti­gat­ed for her char­i­ta­ble work.

    ...

    In the past, Fer­gu­son has been flagged by media and char­i­ty watch­dogs for sev­er­al issues, includ­ing poten­tial con­flict, self-inter­est or at least blurred lines between phil­an­thropic and personal/commercial inter­ests.

    Accord­ing to her Wikipedia entry (which itself cites media reports), her foun­da­tion (Sarah’s Trust) had income of about £250,000 over 18 months, dur­ing which only about £14,200 was spent on grants.

    She has also been accused of seek­ing access to the roy­als for cash, and in 2010, she was filmed by the news­pa­per News of the World offer­ing access to her ex-hus­band (the then-roy­al) for £500,000, in a sting. The trans­ac­tion alleged­ly involved a brief­case with £40,000.

    Fergie’s com­mer­cial ven­tures (book deals, endorse­ments, lifestyle brands) some­times ref­er­enced char­i­ta­ble aims or used her char­i­ty pro­file for cred­i­bil­i­ty — some­thing Lown­ie points out could land her in hot water.

    ...

    What’s next for Prince Andrew, Sarah Fer­gu­son?

    As for what will actu­al­ly hap­pen to the for­mer Prince and his wife?

    Lown­ie pre­dicts Andrew will fol­low the route tak­en by Spain’s for­mer king, Juan Car­los, who was inves­ti­gat­ed by mul­ti­ple coun­tries (includ­ing Spain, Switzer­land and the UK) for alleged finan­cial mis­con­duct, cor­rup­tion, and tax eva­sion. While he was nev­er con­vict­ed, the pub­lic out­cry was such that the King had to abdi­cate and now lives in exile in Abu Dhabi.

    ”Andrew will end up in the UAE like Juan Car­los and as for Fer­gie, she will like­ly go to live in Por­tu­gal and Switzer­land while main­tain­ing a small pres­ence in Lon­don with help from friends,” Lown­ie said.

    The biog­ra­ph­er added, “(Fer­gu­son) did get an offer from a bil­lion­aire in Bolivia to live for free there, but it’s unlike­ly she will do that.”

    Either way — the cou­ple is toast in their home­land.

    ————-

    “Prince Andrew, Sarah Fer­gu­son like­ly to be charged with crimes, exiled: Biog­ra­ph­er” by Paula Froelich; News­Na­tion; 11/06/2025

    “His­to­ri­an and biog­ra­ph­er Andrew Lown­ie, whose lat­est tome, “Enti­tled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York” told me: “Andrew is going to be charged with var­i­ous pub­lic offences and mis­con­duct in pub­lic office… he’ll prob­a­bly go to jail. The case against him is pret­ty clear. He’s absolute­ly, he’s toast.”

    Prince Andrews’s biog­ra­ph­er, Andrew Lown­ie, isn’t hold­ing back on his pre­dic­tions. Prince Andrew is “toast”, legal­ly speak­ing, and soon to be charged with a range of offens­es and pos­si­ble jail time. That was Lown­ie’s assess­ment fol­low­ing the release of troves of Epstein-relat­ed emails that elim­i­nat­ed any remain­ing uncer­tain­ty about whether or not Prince Andrew was one of Vir­ginia Giuf­fre’s abusers. Includ­ing the rev­e­la­tion that Andrew appar­ent­ly asked a close-pro­tec­tion offi­cer in 2011 to dig up per­son­al infor­ma­tion about Giuf­fre in the hopes of dis­cred­it­ing her. Recall how 2011 was the same year Epstein and Maxwell exchanged that email about how Don­ald Trump was the ‘dog that did­n’t bark’ in the inves­ti­ga­tion he went through despite the hours Trump spent with Giuf­fre at Epstein’s home. But it does­n’t sound like Prince Andrew’s crimes are lim­it­ed to his actions relat­ed to Giuf­fre. As a trade envoy for the U.K. from 2001 – 2011, the prince appar­ent­ly used his offi­cial busi­ness as an excuse to spend lav­ish­ly, even on pros­ti­tutes. Or as Lown­ie put it, “He won’t go down for sex trafficking...It will be for finan­cial impro­pri­ety.” And then Lown­ie goes on to pre­dict Andrew’s ulti­mate fate: he’ll flee to the Mid­dle East and live in exile:

    ...
    The Met­ro­pol­i­tan Police (London’s police force) has pub­licly said it is “active­ly look­ing intoclaims that Andrew asked a close-pro­tec­tion offi­cer in 2011 to dig up per­son­al infor­ma­tion — includ­ing date of birth and social-secu­ri­ty num­ber — about his accuser, Vir­ginia Giuf­fre.

    Mean­while, the U.K. cam­paign group Repub­lic has instruct­ed lawyers to inves­ti­gate whether to bring a pri­vate pros­e­cu­tion against Andrew for alleged sex­u­al assault, cor­rup­tion or mis­con­duct in pub­lic office.

    ...

    Andrew was a trade envoy for the U.K. from 2001 – 2011. It is dur­ing those years that he would trav­el the world — and meet with sala­cious and dubi­ous char­ac­ters in coun­tries like Libya, Kaza­khstan and Laos.

    Dur­ing these trips, Andrew would refuse to stay in the U.K. embassies — pre­fer­ring to have accom­mo­da­tions in five star hotels where he could have pri­va­cy from pry­ing gov­ern­ment eyes and rack up hun­dreds of thou­sands of pounds in food, accom­mo­da­tion and trav­el expens­es. It is on these trips that alleged meet­ings with pros­ti­tutes took place — as well as dubi­ous per­son­al busi­ness deal­ings.

    For exam­ple, after a trip to Kaza­khstan in 2007, Andrew sold his then-home, Sun­ninghill Park, a 12-bed­room coun­try house near Wind­sor, Berk­shire, to Kaza­khstan oli­garch Timur Kulibayev for a whop­ping $18 mil­lion… $5 mil­lion over what it was worth at the time.

    “He won’t go down for sex traf­fick­ing,” Lown­ie said. “It will be for finan­cial impro­pri­ety.”

    ...

    Lown­ie pre­dicts Andrew will fol­low the route tak­en by Spain’s for­mer king, Juan Car­los, who was inves­ti­gat­ed by mul­ti­ple coun­tries (includ­ing Spain, Switzer­land and the UK) for alleged finan­cial mis­con­duct, cor­rup­tion, and tax eva­sion. While he was nev­er con­vict­ed, the pub­lic out­cry was such that the King had to abdi­cate and now lives in exile in Abu Dhabi.
    ...

    And then there’s Andrew’s ex-wife Sarah Fer­gu­son. Like Andrew, it appears Fer­gie is high­ly vul­ner­a­ble to inves­ti­ga­tions of finan­cial impro­pri­ety. And with all of the hor­rid press swirly around her ex-hus­band, momen­tum for these kinds of inves­ti­ga­tions will only build:

    ...
    As for Andrew’s ex, Fer­gie, Lown­ie pre­dicts she will be inves­ti­gat­ed for her char­i­ta­ble work.

    ...

    In the past, Fer­gu­son has been flagged by media and char­i­ty watch­dogs for sev­er­al issues, includ­ing poten­tial con­flict, self-inter­est or at least blurred lines between phil­an­thropic and personal/commercial inter­ests.

    Accord­ing to her Wikipedia entry (which itself cites media reports), her foun­da­tion (Sarah’s Trust) had income of about £250,000 over 18 months, dur­ing which only about £14,200 was spent on grants.

    She has also been accused of seek­ing access to the roy­als for cash, and in 2010, she was filmed by the news­pa­per News of the World offer­ing access to her ex-hus­band (the then-roy­al) for £500,000, in a sting. The trans­ac­tion alleged­ly involved a brief­case with £40,000.

    Fergie’s com­mer­cial ven­tures (book deals, endorse­ments, lifestyle brands) some­times ref­er­enced char­i­ta­ble aims or used her char­i­ty pro­file for cred­i­bil­i­ty — some­thing Lown­ie points out could land her in hot water.
    ...

    And that warn­ing from Prince Andrew’s biog­ra­ph­er brings us to the next warn­ing Andrew Lown­ie deliv­ered a week lat­er: Prince Andrew is in so much trou­ble in the UK he’s now a flight risk:

    The Mir­ror

    EXCLUSIVE: Andrew’s week in scan­dal — pho­to ‘proof’, sin­is­ter plots and ‘flight risk’ fears

    Emails have emerged shed­ding new light on Andrew Mount­bat­ten Wind­sor’s ties to Epstein, and are the “final nail in his cof­fin,” accord­ing to an expert

    News Emma Macken­zie Lifestyle Writer
    11:14, 14 Nov 2025

    Andrew has long denied meet­ing accuser Vir­ginia Guiffre, let alone pos­ing for a pic­ture with her. But in a bomb­shell email release, con­vict­ed sex offend­er Jef­frey Epstein con­firmed that not only did he meet Ms Guiffre, but he also had his pho­to­graph tak­en with her.

    In one now infa­mous image from 2001, Andrew is seen with his arm wrapped around the waist of a smil­ing Vir­ginia as Epstein’s accom­plice, Ghis­laine Maxwell, looks on in the back­ground. The dis­graced for­mer prince has long argued that the image could have been doc­tored, and insist­ed he had no rec­ol­lec­tion of it being tak­en.

    How­ev­er, in a fresh­ly-released email between Epstein and a jour­nal­ist, the shamed financier says that Andrew had his pho­to tak­en with Guiffre. “Yes she (Vir­ginia) was on my plane, and yes she had her pic­ture tak­en with Andrew, as many of my employ­ees have,” he wrote in the cor­re­spon­dence from July 2011. The pho­to­graph was alleged­ly tak­en by Epstein him­self, on a dis­pos­able cam­era that belonged to Vir­ginia.

    ...

    Epstein also wrote to a pub­li­cist around the same time, boast­ing that if they were able to tar­nish the cred­i­bil­i­ty of Andrew’s accuser, Buck­ing­ham Palace would “love it” and it would ensure their access to roy­al events “for the rest of our lives”.

    “The girl who accused Prince Andrew can also eas­i­ly be proven to be a liar,” Epstein wrote. “I think Buck­ing­ham Palace would love it. You should task some­one to inves­ti­gate the girl Vir­ginia Roberts, that has caused the Queen’s son all this agro (sic). I promise you she is a fraud. You and I will be able to go to ascot (sic) for the rest of our lives.

    In March 2011, when the Mail on Sun­day con­tact­ed Maxwell about Vir­gini­a’s claims, offer­ing her the right to reply, the email chain was for­ward­ed to Andrew, who alleged­ly respond­ed, “What’s all this? I don’t know any­thing about this! You must SAY so please. This has NOTHING to do with me. I can’t take any more of this.”

    Lat­er that month, when the claims were pub­lished, Epstein emailed a recip­i­ent called “The Duke” believed to be Andrew, ask­ing, “You ok?” adding: “These sto­ries are com­plete and utter fan­ta­sy”.

    Andrew set­tled out of court when Vir­ginia Giuf­fre brought a civ­il case against him in the US back in 2022. The set­tle­ment, report­ed to be worth mil­lions, includ­ed no admis­sion of guilt.

    ...

    Andrew, too has claimed that he had cut off com­mu­ni­ca­tion in 2010 — some­thing the emails dis­prove. Now, stripped of his roy­al titles and hon­ours by his “weary” elder broth­er King Charles over the scan­dal, one roy­al expert believes the email could be the ‘final nail in the cof­fin’ for the for­mer prince.

    Andrew Lown­ie, author of the explo­sive biog­ra­phy of Andrew and Sarah — ‘Enti­tled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York’ — exclu­sive­ly told the Mir­ror that in his opin­ion, the new emails make Andrew a “flight risk” and that his pass­port should be “sur­ren­dered” so the for­mer Duke can­not leave the coun­try.

    In Lown­ie’s opin­ion, he believes the lat­est round of scan­dal could see dis­graced Andrew flee the coun­try for good. “This new infor­ma­tion dump is the nail in the cof­fin for Prince Andrew, high­light­ing the lies he has told about his asso­ci­a­tion with Jef­frey Epstein. There is still much more to emerge but there can be no doubt now about how deeply involved [he was] with the con­vict­ed pae­dophile. Andrew needs to be inves­ti­gat­ed and as a flight risk and his pass­port should be sur­ren­dered.”

    He added: “I think there is a good chance Andrew would avoid any pos­si­ble legal charges by going to Mid­dle East like King Juan Car­los. That would cer­tain­ly suit the Roy­al Fam­i­ly. If the author­i­ties are seri­ous about inves­ti­gat­ing him and hold­ing him to account then his pass­port needs to be con­fis­cat­ed.”

    Sources speak­ing to The Sun recent­ly claimed that Andrew had been offered a new home in Abu Dhabi, a poten­tial “escape route” pro­vid­ed by the wealthy ruler Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan. “The sheikh has offered free use of a vast roy­al palace next to an idyl­lic water­way in the desert king­dom,” the news­pa­per claimed, adding that the offer was made due to Andrew’s “kind­ness” towards the sheikh whilst he worked as a UK trade envoy. If Andrew were to move there, he would be fol­low­ing “in the foot­steps of anoth­er dis­graced roy­al, exiled King Juan Car­los I of Spain.”

    ...

    ———-

    “EXCLUSIVE: Andrew’s week in scan­dal — pho­to ‘proof’, sin­is­ter plots and ‘flight risk’ fears” by Emma Macken­zie; The Mir­ror; 11/14/2025

    “Andrew Lown­ie, author of the explo­sive biog­ra­phy of Andrew and Sarah — ‘Enti­tled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York’ — exclu­sive­ly told the Mir­ror that in his opin­ion, the new emails make Andrew a “flight risk” and that his pass­port should be “sur­ren­dered” so the for­mer Duke can­not leave the coun­try.”

    The walls are clos­ing in and the prince is get­ting ready to flee while he still can. That appears to be Andrew Lown­ie’s assess­ment. And then there’s the unnamed sources claim­ing Andrew has already been offered a home an Abu Dhabi by the wealthy ruler Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan (MBZ). It’s worth recall­ing the still wild­ly unex­plored role MBZ played in offer­ing assis­tance to the Trump cam­paign in 2016 as part of an appar­ent joint offer of assis­tance by the crown princes of the UAE and Sau­di Ara­bia. Assis­tance that involved offered the ser­vices of the Israeli pri­vate intel­li­gence firm Psy­Group. An offer MBZ pre­sum­ably did­n’t make out of the good­ness of his heart. He was expect­ing to get some­thing in return. Which rais­es the grim­ly inter­est­ing ques­tion of what MBZ might be get­ting in return for mak­ing Prince Andrew this offer, assum­ing the claims are true:

    ...
    How­ev­er, in a fresh­ly-released email between Epstein and a jour­nal­ist, the shamed financier says that Andrew had his pho­to tak­en with Guiffre. “Yes she (Vir­ginia) was on my plane, and yes she had her pic­ture tak­en with Andrew, as many of my employ­ees have,” he wrote in the cor­re­spon­dence from July 2011. The pho­to­graph was alleged­ly tak­en by Epstein him­self, on a dis­pos­able cam­era that belonged to Vir­ginia.

    ...

    Andrew set­tled out of court when Vir­ginia Giuf­fre brought a civ­il case against him in the US back in 2022. The set­tle­ment, report­ed to be worth mil­lions, includ­ed no admis­sion of guilt.

    ...

    In Lown­ie’s opin­ion, he believes the lat­est round of scan­dal could see dis­graced Andrew flee the coun­try for good. “This new infor­ma­tion dump is the nail in the cof­fin for Prince Andrew, high­light­ing the lies he has told about his asso­ci­a­tion with Jef­frey Epstein. There is still much more to emerge but there can be no doubt now about how deeply involved [he was] with the con­vict­ed pae­dophile. Andrew needs to be inves­ti­gat­ed and as a flight risk and his pass­port should be sur­ren­dered.”

    He added: “I think there is a good chance Andrew would avoid any pos­si­ble legal charges by going to Mid­dle East like King Juan Car­los. That would cer­tain­ly suit the Roy­al Fam­i­ly. If the author­i­ties are seri­ous about inves­ti­gat­ing him and hold­ing him to account then his pass­port needs to be con­fis­cat­ed.”

    Sources speak­ing to The Sun recent­ly claimed that Andrew had been offered a new home in Abu Dhabi, a poten­tial “escape route” pro­vid­ed by the wealthy ruler Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan. “The sheikh has offered free use of a vast roy­al palace next to an idyl­lic water­way in the desert king­dom,” the news­pa­per claimed, adding that the offer was made due to Andrew’s “kind­ness” towards the sheikh whilst he worked as a UK trade envoy. If Andrew were to move there, he would be fol­low­ing “in the foot­steps of anoth­er dis­graced roy­al, exiled King Juan Car­los I of Spain.”
    ...

    And then we get to these very inter­est­ing com­mu­ni­ca­tions from Epstein about his con­vic­tion that “Buck­ing­ham Palace” would “love it” if Vir­ginia Giuf­fre’s cred­i­bil­i­ty was destroyed. Then he appar­ent­ly sug­gests to this pub­li­cist that they should task some­one to inves­ti­gate Vir­ginia. Keep in mind, as we just saw, 2011 also would be around the same time Prince Andrew asked a close-pro­tec­tion offi­cer to dig up infor­ma­tion on Giuf­fre:

    ...
    Epstein also wrote to a pub­li­cist around the same time, boast­ing that if they were able to tar­nish the cred­i­bil­i­ty of Andrew’s accuser, Buck­ing­ham Palace would “love it” and it would ensure their access to roy­al events “for the rest of our lives”.

    “The girl who accused Prince Andrew can also eas­i­ly be proven to be a liar,” Epstein wrote. “I think Buck­ing­ham Palace would love it. You should task some­one to inves­ti­gate the girl Vir­ginia Roberts, that has caused the Queen’s son all this agro (sic). I promise you she is a fraud. You and I will be able to go to ascot (sic) for the rest of our lives.
    ...

    And that pre­dic­tion of Prince Andrew flee­ing the UK by his biog­ra­ph­er brings us to Andrew Lown­ie’s next appar­ent set of rev­e­la­tions: Not only does Lown­ie have a retired FBI agent as a source who claims the FBI is inter­nal­ly treat­ing the sce­nario of anoth­er inmate killing Epstein as fact, but this source even shared that inmate’s name with Lown­ie. But then Lown­ie goes on to make what is per­haps the wildest series of claims we’ve heard in the entire Epstein saga: not only did Prince Andrew and Fer­gie arranged for Epstein’s death, but Epstein him­self had been in the process of arrang­ing for his own hit against them first. But he was too late:

    The Dai­ly Beast

    I Read FBI’s Wild Epstein and Andrew Files: Author

    His­to­ri­an Andrew Lown­ie says he has seen “inter­nal FBI cor­re­spon­dence” that con­tra­dicts the offi­cial sto­ry of Jef­frey Epstein’s death.

    Erk­ki Forster
    Night News Reporter
    The Dai­ly Beast Pod­cast

    Updat­ed Nov. 18 2025 3:04AM EST /
    Pub­lished Nov. 17 2025 10:49PM EST

    The FBI’s files on Jef­frey Epstein’s 2019 death show that the con­vict­ed sex offend­er was killed, con­trary to the offi­cial account, accord­ing to his­to­ri­an Andrew Lown­ie.

    Lown­ie, a British his­to­ri­an and author, told The Dai­ly Beast Pod­cast that he has seen “inter­nal FBI cor­re­spon­dence” stat­ing that anoth­er inmate mur­dered Epstein.

    Epstein, 66, was await­ing tri­al on sex traf­fick­ing charges when he was found hanged in his cell at the Met­ro­pol­i­tan Cor­rec­tion­al Cen­ter in New York City on Aug. 10, 2019.

    ...

    Lown­ie told host Joan­na Coles that a for­mer FBI agent shared with him FBI cor­re­spon­dence assert­ing that Epstein was mur­dered by a “fel­low con­vict who was brought in to do this.”

    “It was treat­ed as fact,” Lown­ie said. “This wasn’t spec­u­la­tion.”

    Lown­ie said he was also giv­en the name of the pris­on­er who alleged­ly mur­dered Epstein, but hadn’t shared the name pub­licly due to “lia­bil­i­ty con­sid­er­a­tions.” He added that he is still con­duct­ing “research,” say­ing, “I’d like to be able to fol­low up on this as soon as I can.”

    On the night of Epstein’s death, cor­rec­tions offi­cers on duty failed to fol­low pro­to­col that required check-ins every 30 min­utes.

    A fail­ure of the dig­i­tal video record­ing sys­tem result­ed in the loss of CCTV footage from the night, accord­ing to CBS News, and laps­es marred the sub­se­quent fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tion into the con­vict­ed pedophile’s death.

    Spec­u­la­tion inten­si­fied when it was revealed that the 11 hours of CCTV footage from near Epstein’s cell, released by the Trump admin­is­tra­tion in July, was miss­ing a minute and had been edit­ed repeat­ed­ly.

    While the extra minute was even­tu­al­ly released, a CBS News analy­sis found that the government’s footage still fails to pro­vide a clear view of the entrance to Epstein’s cell block.

    ...

    In anoth­er explo­sive alle­ga­tion, Lownie—who recent­ly detailed Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor’s long friend­ship with Epstein in a new book, Enti­tled—said that sources told him Epstein had plot­ted to hire a hit­man to assas­si­nate the then-prince in the weeks before his death.

    Accord­ing to the his­to­ri­an, two peo­ple who were close to Epstein—“one in Paris and anoth­er one in Palm Beach”—said Epstein had grown para­noid that Andrew and his ex-wife Sarah Fer­gu­son would leak incrim­i­nat­ing infor­ma­tion about him.

    “I think he was get­ting very ner­vous,” Lown­ie told Coles. “He thought par­tic­u­lar­ly Sarah Fer­gu­son might spill the beans on him and this was a pre­cau­tion­ary mea­sure, I sup­pose.”

    Detail­ing the claim on his Sub­stack, Lown­ie wrote that one of the sources told him that Epstein “had been in talks with a noto­ri­ous U.K. sniper for hire.”

    “If Jef­frey hadn’t died, Andrew and Fer­gie would have been mur­dered,” the for­mer friend of Epstein told Lown­ie. “They knew too much about his sex traf­fick­ing ring.”

    Accord­ing to Lown­ie, the source also claimed Epstein had become con­vinced that the British roy­al fam­i­ly was plan­ning to assas­si­nate him.

    Just last month, King Charles III, 77, for­mal­ly stripped his younger broth­er, 65, of his rank and “Duke of York” title and ban­ished him from his roy­al lodg­ings, in part due to long-swirling accu­sa­tions relat­ed to Andrew’s long-doc­u­ment­ed rela­tion­ship with Epstein.

    ...

    ————-

    “I Read FBI’s Wild Epstein and Andrew Files: Author” by Erk­ki Forster; The Dai­ly Beast; 11/17/2025

    “Lown­ie, a British his­to­ri­an and author, told The Dai­ly Beast Pod­cast that he has seen “inter­nal FBI cor­re­spon­dence” stat­ing that anoth­er inmate mur­dered Epstein.”

    Andrew Lown­ie isn’t just claim­ing to have a source at the FBI mak­ing these remark­able claims. He claims to have seen inter­nal FBI cor­re­spon­dence where it’s stat­ing that Jef­frey Epstein was mur­dered by anoth­er inmate. They even know the inmate’s names. It’s a claim that is explo­sive in part because of how much infor­ma­tion we’ve already received that aligns with this nar­ra­tive. Avail­able evi­dence real­ly does point towards the idea that Epstein was mur­dered. Whether or not it was anoth­er inmate or some­one else is far from clear. What is clear is that Epstein almost cer­tain­ly did­n’t kill him­self and the inves­ti­ga­tion into his death is in real­i­ty a giant cov­er up. The kind of coverup that not only includ­ed an absurd sequence of ‘sud­den­ly bro­ken cam­eras’ and ‘miss­ing min­utes’, but even includ­ed the two cor­rec­tions offi­cers avoid­ing all charges despite their refusal to accept a plea agree­ment and the appar­ent stag­ing of evi­dence by inves­ti­ga­tors. An in-your-face coverup that con­tin­ues to crum­ble and get more absurd with each rev­e­la­tion. And now we have an appar­ent new rev­e­la­tion from a for­mer FBI agent who is talk­ing to Andrew Lown­ie. A for­mer agent who either recent­ly retired, and there was in a posi­tion to know these things, or them­selves has sources inside the FBI today. This source even shared with Lown­ie the name of the pris­on­er who did the mur­der. It cer­tain­ly would­n’t be a shock­ing twist to learn an inmate did it. Hard­ly a twist at all. But if a for­mer FBI agent real­ly is nam­ing names and this is cred­i­ble, that’s pret­ty incred­i­ble and sig­nif­i­cant:

    ...
    Lown­ie told host Joan­na Coles that a for­mer FBI agent shared with him FBI cor­re­spon­dence assert­ing that Epstein was mur­dered by a “fel­low con­vict who was brought in to do this.”

    “It was treat­ed as fact,” Lown­ie said. “This wasn’t spec­u­la­tion.”

    Lown­ie said he was also giv­en the name of the pris­on­er who alleged­ly mur­dered Epstein, but hadn’t shared the name pub­licly due to “lia­bil­i­ty con­sid­er­a­tions.” He added that he is still con­duct­ing “research,” say­ing, “I’d like to be able to fol­low up on this as soon as I can.”

    On the night of Epstein’s death, cor­rec­tions offi­cers on duty failed to fol­low pro­to­col that required check-ins every 30 min­utes.

    A fail­ure of the dig­i­tal video record­ing sys­tem result­ed in the loss of CCTV footage from the night, accord­ing to CBS News, and laps­es marred the sub­se­quent fed­er­al inves­ti­ga­tion into the con­vict­ed pedophile’s death.

    Spec­u­la­tion inten­si­fied when it was revealed that the 11 hours of CCTV footage from near Epstein’s cell, released by the Trump admin­is­tra­tion in July, was miss­ing a minute and had been edit­ed repeat­ed­ly.

    While the extra minute was even­tu­al­ly released, a CBS News analy­sis found that the government’s footage still fails to pro­vide a clear view of the entrance to Epstein’s cell block.
    ...

    And that incred­i­ble claim by Andrew Lown­ie’s alleged for­mer FBI source brings us to the oth­er incred­i­ble claim made by a pair of sources to Lown­ie, one in Paris and anoth­er one in Palm Beach. Both claim that not only had Epstein grown para­noid Prince Andrew and his ex-wife Sarah Fer­gu­son would leak incrim­i­nat­ing infor­ma­tion about him. They go on to claim that Epstein feared he would be assas­si­nat­ed by the roy­al ex-cou­ple, with one source claim­ing Epstein “had been in talks with a noto­ri­ous U.K. sniper for hire,” weeks before his own death. That’s anoth­er incred­i­ble claim. Espe­cial­ly because Epstein was in the Man­hat­tan fed­er­al pen­i­ten­tiary’s SHU in the five weeks lead­ing up to his ‘sui­cide’. That’s an incred­i­ble place to be in con­tact with an out-of-coun­try hit­man to arrange a hit on Prince Andrew. And yet, when we learn about how Epstein had a meet­ing with his legal team on August 9, 2019, the day before he was found dead. After return­ing to his cell from meet­ing with his lawyers at approx­i­mate­ly 7:49 pm, Epstein asks to call his moth­er (who was long dead at that point) and actu­al­ly called his Belaruss­ian girl­friend, who is one of the main ben­e­fi­cia­ries in a trust he set up the day before that con­tained $577 mil­lion in assets at the time. And then, as we also saw in that dev­as­tat­ing CBS report, it was an unmon­i­tored phone call from a show­er that is intend­ed only for attor­ney com­mu­ni­ca­tions. And that call had been facil­i­tat­ed by the unit man­ag­er, the senior offi­cer in charge. So Epstein was able to give his dead moth­er’s name as a cov­er to call his Belaruss­ian from a show­er phone used only for calls to attor­neys. That does actu­al­ly sound like an envi­ron­ment where he could have talked to a hit man. Kind of amaz­ing, but not impos­si­ble. That’s all part of the seem­ing­ly pre­pos­ter­ous nature of Lown­ie’s sources’ claims. Almost every­thing we’ve learned about the cir­cum­stances of his short impris­on­ment and ‘sui­cide’ and the ‘inves­ti­ga­tion’ that fol­lowed has been utter­ly pre­pos­ter­ous. A call to a UK hit­man or a call ask­ing some­one to hire a hit­man is total­ly plau­si­ble at this point. The ques­tion is whether or not these sources are telling the truth:

    ...
    In anoth­er explo­sive alle­ga­tion, Lownie—who recent­ly detailed Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor’s long friend­ship with Epstein in a new book, Enti­tled—said that sources told him Epstein had plot­ted to hire a hit­man to assas­si­nate the then-prince in the weeks before his death.

    Accord­ing to the his­to­ri­an, two peo­ple who were close to Epstein—“one in Paris and anoth­er one in Palm Beach”—said Epstein had grown para­noid that Andrew and his ex-wife Sarah Fer­gu­son would leak incrim­i­nat­ing infor­ma­tion about him.

    ...

    Detail­ing the claim on his Sub­stack, Lown­ie wrote that one of the sources told him that Epstein “had been in talks with a noto­ri­ous U.K. sniper for hire.”

    “If Jef­frey hadn’t died, Andrew and Fer­gie would have been mur­dered,” the for­mer friend of Epstein told Lown­ie. “They knew too much about his sex traf­fick­ing ring.”

    Accord­ing to Lown­ie, the source also claimed Epstein had become con­vinced that the British roy­al fam­i­ly was plan­ning to assas­si­nate him.
    ...

    Now let’s take a look at Andrew Lown­ie’s Sub­stack post where he makes these claims. It’s just three para­graphs, and describes a sit­u­a­tion where if Epstein would have soon had Andrew and Fer­gie killed had he not died first. They knew too much about his sex traf­fick­ing ring.

    But we also get the detail that it was appar­ent­ly Andrew who told Epstein over their many years of friend­ship how the roy­al fam­i­ly had a long his­to­ry of car­ry out extra­ju­di­cial killings. Which is a fas­ci­nat­ing detail that, if tak­en at face val­ue, sug­gests it was the British roy­al fam­i­ly that some­how arranged for Epstein to be killed, NOT the US gov­ern­ment. And while a wild claim, the notion that the British Roy­al Fam­i­ly has called in a few hits over the years isn’t exact­ly unthink­able. And Epstein real­ly did get Andrew and Fer­gie deeply impli­cat­ed in some vile busi­ness so it’s not implau­si­ble he was para­noid about roy­al wrath. While there’s noth­ing sub­stan­ti­at­ing any of the claims made by Lown­ie’s sources, the whole sit­u­a­tion around Epstein is already so stu­pid and absurd we can’t real­ly rule it out either:

    Andrew’s Sub­stack

    The Lown­ie Report World Exclu­sive: Sociopath Jef­frey Epstein Plot­ted To “Take Out” Ex-Prince Andrew and Fer­gie Weeks before He Was found Dead

    Feared The Monar­chy was plan­ning “extra­ju­di­cial killing”

    Andrew Lown­ie
    Nov 14, 2025

    A per­son deeply con­nect­ed to sociopath Jef­frey Epstein told The Lown­ie Report that Epstein har­bored homi­ci­dal thoughts weeks before he was found dead. “He devised a detailed plan to take out Prince Andrew and Fer­gie,” the source said. “He was wor­ried that they would foil and spill dam­ag­ing infor­ma­tion about him. He felt strong­ly that both Andrew and Fer­gie had breached his trust and were plan­ning to leak key infor­ma­tion about him in an attempt to save their own skins. Jef­frey devel­oped a con­crete plan to elim­i­nate both of them and had been in talks with a noto­ri­ous U.K. sniper for hire. If Jef­frey hadn’t died, Andrew and Fer­gie would have been mur­dered. They knew too much about his sex traf­fick­ing ring.”

    The source elab­o­rat­ed on what trig­gered Epstein’s homi­ci­dal thoughts. He said Epstein became con­vinced the British Monar­chy was plan­ning to take him out via extra­ju­di­cial killing. “Jef­frey was tipped off by a per­son con­nect­ed to Prince Andrew that Buck­ing­ham Palace was infu­ri­at­ed by Prince Andrew’s long­time con­nec­tion to him,” the source revealed. “Jef­frey became para­noid that the Palace would kill him. He always believed Prince Philip and the British Roy­al Fam­i­ly were behind Princess Diana’s death. He told peo­ple close to him weeks before he died that he would be the next to be mur­dered by the roy­als. He said dur­ing the many years he was close to Prince Andrew, he learned the Palace had a long his­to­ry of car­ry­ing out extra­ju­di­cial killings.

    The for­mer friend of Epstein said Epstein was more wor­ried about Fer­gie than Andrew. “Jef­frey said Fer­gie used to tell him about oth­er people’s secrets,” the source said. “He said most like­ly she would not hes­i­tate to tell his. He had lost com­plete trust in both Fer­gie and Andrew and want­ed them out of the pic­ture for­ev­er.”

    ————

    “The Lown­ie Report World Exclu­sive: Sociopath Jef­frey Epstein Plot­ted To “Take Out” Ex-Prince Andrew and Fer­gie Weeks before He Was found Dead”; Andrew’s Sub­stack; 11/14/2025

    “Jef­frey became para­noid that the Palace would kill him. He always believed Prince Philip and the British Roy­al Fam­i­ly were behind Princess Diana’s death. He told peo­ple close to him weeks before he died that he would be the next to be mur­dered by the roy­als. He said dur­ing the many years he was close to Prince Andrew, he learned the Palace had a long his­to­ry of car­ry­ing out extra­ju­di­cial killings.

    Again, while we don’t actu­al­ly have any real evi­dence point­ing towards a roy­al assas­si­na­tion plot against Epstein, we can’t real­ly rule it out entire­ly either. Which only add to the grim con­text of the fol­low­ing report about the appar­ent fears of a Prince Andrew ‘sui­cide’. On the one hand, it’s not incon­ceiv­able that Prince Andrew real­ly could take his life should he face a real prospect of prison time. On the oth­er hand, it’s becom­ing increas­ing­ly dif­fi­cult to just accept ‘sui­cide’ when we’re talk­ing about kind of world Andrew inhab­its:

    Radar Online

    EXCLUSIVE: Andrew Wind­sor Sui­cide Fears — Roy­als Pan­ick­ing Dis­graced Ex-Duke May Be on Verge of ‘End­ing it All’ Over His Title-Strip­ping

    Aaron Tin­ney
    Nov. 16 2025, Pub­lished 11:30 a.m. ET

    Andrew Wind­sor is in a “dark and frag­ile state”, with fears grow­ing among roy­al insid­ers the dis­graced for­mer prince may be con­tem­plat­ing tak­ing his own life after being stripped of his titles and ordered to leave his home.

    As RadarOnline.com report­ed, the shamed 65-year-old was for­mal­ly demot­ed last week when Buck­ing­ham Palace announced he would no longer be known as Prince Andrew and would be required to vacate Roy­al Lodge, his 30-room, $40million man­sion on the Wind­sor estate.

    King’s Ruth­less Move Sev­ers Final Roy­al Ties

    The move – part of King Charles’ bid to sev­er offi­cial ties with his broth­er – means Andrew must now live sim­ply as “com­mon­er” Andrew Mount­bat­ten Wind­sor in pri­vate accom­mo­da­tion on the King’s San­dring­ham estate.

    ...

    Pan­ic Behind Palace Walls Over Andrew’s Men­tal State

    Accord­ing to mul­ti­ple sources close to the roy­al house­hold, Andrew has bare­ly been seen or spo­ken to since the announce­ment, prompt­ing con­cern for his men­tal well­be­ing.

    One palace insid­er said: “There is real pan­ic behind the scenes. Andrew is now com­plete­ly iso­lat­ed and feels he’s lost every­thing – his title, his home, his dig­ni­ty. The fam­i­ly are ter­ri­fied he might do some­thing dras­tic. He’s told peo­ple he has noth­ing left to live for.”

    Anoth­er roy­al source described him as “bro­ken and with­drawn,” say­ing the humil­i­a­tion had pushed him to the brink.

    “This was his final life­line to any kind of pur­pose,” the source said. “The titles, the lodge, the sense of being part of some­thing big­ger – all gone overnight. He’s humil­i­at­ed, angry, and deeply depressed.”

    ...

    Once his evic­tion from Roy­al Lodge is com­plete, Andrew will move to a small­er res­i­dence on San­dring­ham. Options being con­sid­ered include Park House – Princess Diana’s child­hood home – or one of sev­er­al small­er cot­tages on the 20,000-acre estate.

    For­mer BBC roy­al cor­re­spon­dent Jen­nie Bond said the tran­si­tion could push him fur­ther into soli­tude.

    She explained: “It seems to me that Andrew’s life will entail him being even more of a her­mit than in recent years, and that’s say­ing some­thing. The San­dring­ham estate is vast, some 20,000 acres with about 150 prop­er­ties, includ­ing vil­lages and ham­lets. So I sup­pose Andrew could be part of a new com­mu­ni­ty, although it seems rather doubt­ful that many com­mu­ni­ties would wel­come him in their midst.

    “The King has extend­ed him a mod­icum of mer­cy, allow­ing him to live on his pri­vate estate where he will not even indi­rect­ly incur any expense to tax­pay­ers. Whether he will have any staff remains to be seen. Can he cook for him­self Has he ever had to sort out the shop­ping or do the clean­ing The answer is prob­a­bly no. Per­haps he will now have to learn.”

    A palace source said: “Peo­ple are gen­uine­ly afraid he’ll shut him­self off com­plete­ly once he’s at San­dring­ham. No one can say how he’ll man­age on his own – there’s real con­cern for his state of mind.”

    ———–

    “EXCLUSIVE: Andrew Wind­sor Sui­cide Fears — Roy­als Pan­ick­ing Dis­graced Ex-Duke May Be on Verge of ‘End­ing it All’ Over His Title-Strip­ping” by Aaron Tin­ney; Radar Online; 11/16/2025

    “One palace insid­er said: “There is real pan­ic behind the scenes. Andrew is now com­plete­ly iso­lat­ed and feels he’s lost every­thing – his title, his home, his dig­ni­ty. The fam­i­ly are ter­ri­fied he might do some­thing dras­tic. He’s told peo­ple he has noth­ing left to live for.” ”

    Prince Andrew has noth­ing left to live for, accord­ing to unnamed palace insid­ers. It’s not an unimag­in­able sce­nario. Although it did­n’t sound like these palace insid­ers were pre­dict­ing jail for Andrew. More like exile from the rest of soci­ety as he lives out the rest of his years a the fam­i­ly’s San­dring­ham estate. And while we’re also told that there are appar­ent­ly con­cerns that Andrew will “shut him­self off com­plete­ly once he’s at San­dring­ham”, keep in mind that cut­ting him­self off from the rest of soci­ety is kind of the point of the move. He’s some­one the roy­als would rather go away at this point:

    ...
    Once his evic­tion from Roy­al Lodge is com­plete, Andrew will move to a small­er res­i­dence on San­dring­ham. Options being con­sid­ered include Park House – Princess Diana’s child­hood home – or one of sev­er­al small­er cot­tages on the 20,000-acre estate.

    For­mer BBC roy­al cor­re­spon­dent Jen­nie Bond said the tran­si­tion could push him fur­ther into soli­tude.

    She explained: “It seems to me that Andrew’s life will entail him being even more of a her­mit than in recent years, and that’s say­ing some­thing. The San­dring­ham estate is vast, some 20,000 acres with about 150 prop­er­ties, includ­ing vil­lages and ham­lets. So I sup­pose Andrew could be part of a new com­mu­ni­ty, although it seems rather doubt­ful that many com­mu­ni­ties would wel­come him in their midst.

    “The King has extend­ed him a mod­icum of mer­cy, allow­ing him to live on his pri­vate estate where he will not even indi­rect­ly incur any expense to tax­pay­ers. Whether he will have any staff remains to be seen. Can he cook for him­self Has he ever had to sort out the shop­ping or do the clean­ing The answer is prob­a­bly no. Per­haps he will now have to learn.”

    A palace source said: “Peo­ple are gen­uine­ly afraid he’ll shut him­self off com­plete­ly once he’s at San­dring­ham. No one can say how he’ll man­age on his own – there’s real con­cern for his state of mind.”
    ...

    So is this report true? Are the gen­uine con­cerns inside Buck­ing­ham Palace that Prince Andrew feels he has noth­ing left to live for and will do some­thing “dras­tic”? Like so much in this sto­ry, it sounds plau­si­ble. Of course, the idea that a lot of peo­ple at Buck­ing­ham, and else­where, would LOVE for Prince Andrew to do some­thing “dras­tic” is pret­ty plau­si­ble too. Espe­cial­ly if this LaRoucheian nar­ra­tive takes hold.

    Time will tell if this ‘Roy­al hit’ nar­ra­tive takes hold. It’s not hard to imag­ine at least parts of MAGA world eager­ly embrac­ing an expla­na­tion that absolves Pres­i­dent Trump of sus­pi­cion. It’ was­n’t the US fed­er­al gov­ern­ment. No, no. It was Andrew and Fer­gie and the vast roy­al assas­si­na­tion team that arranged for this cas­cade of fail­ures and sub­se­quent coverup by the US fed­er­al jus­tice sys­tem. It’s a very MAGA-con­ve­nient nar­ra­tive. And con­ve­nient for pret­ty much every­one else involved, with the obvi­ous except of Andrew and Fer­gie. And there’s one thing that could thor­ough­ly pop­u­lar­ize this roy­al hit­man con­spir­a­cy the­o­ry: a mys­te­ri­ous untime­ly ‘end’ for Andrew. It’s the kind of sit­u­a­tion that prob­a­bly makes the prospect of life in exile in Dubai sound pret­ty tempt­ing.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | November 25, 2025, 5:25 pm

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