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Did the Ukrainian Military Shoot Down the Malaysian Airlines Plane?

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COMMENT: In the wake of the down­ing of a Malaysian Air­lines plane over Ukraine, few are ask­ing the nec­es­sary ques­tions and the impor­tant con­tex­tu­al ele­ments are all but absent. 

(We have cov­ered the ascen­sion of the OUN/B heirs in the Ukraine in a num­ber of pro­grams: FTR #‘s 777, 778, 779, 780, 781, 782, 783, 784, 794, 800.)

In sto­ries on suc­ces­sive days, Robert Par­ry has not­ed that a reli­able intel­li­gence infor­mant main­tains that U.S. sur­veil­lance satel­lite pho­tos appear to show the mis­sile being fired by a “Buk” mis­sile bat­tery being oper­at­ed by [pos­si­bly drunk] Ukrain­ian mil­i­tary per­son­nel.

Par­ry is also among the few to note the Swo­bo­da affil­i­a­tion of Andriy Paru­biy, in charge of defense mat­ters for Ukraine. U.S. pol­i­cy is behold­en unto an Under­ground Reich milieu cen­tered on the heirs to the OUN/B.

We will be explor­ing a num­ber of oth­er points in the upcom­ing FTR #803 pro­gram about the ongo­ing hor­ror show in Ukraine, includ­ing:

  • Just what in hell Ukrain­ian gov­ern­ment air con­trollers and pol­i­cy mak­er were doing allow­ing civil­ian air traf­fic through a war zone. The plane was trav­el­ing at 33,000 feet. Air traf­fic was being for­bid­den from 32,000 feet on down. The Malaysian plane was only 1,000 feet above the pro­scribed area.
  • Pres­i­dent Putin’s plane flew through rough­ly the same area less than an hour before. Amer­i­can main­stream media have been con­temp­tu­ous of Russ­ian media spec­u­la­tion that the mis­sile may have been intend­ed for Pres­i­dent Putin’s plane. In light of the state­ments of lethal intent against Putin by the OUN/B heirs now gov­ern­ing Ukraine, such a pos­si­bil­i­ty is not to be tak­en so light­ly, in our opin­ion.
  • Even if Ukrain­ian sep­a­ratist rebels had the “Buk” mis­sile sys­tem, prop­er use of the mis­sile would man­date an inde­pen­dent radar vehi­cle that can iden­ti­fy the transpon­ders that are pecu­liar to civil­ian air­lin­ers. There is no indi­ca­tion that such a vehi­cle was in the pos­ses­sion of the sep­a­ratist forces.

“Air­line Hor­rors Spur New Rush to Judge­ment” by Robert Par­ry; Con­sor­tium News; 7/19/2014.

. . . . Regard­ing the shoot-down of the Malaysian jet­lin­er on Thurs­day, I’m told that some CIA ana­lysts cite U.S. satel­lite recon­nais­sance pho­tos sug­gest­ing that the anti-air­craft mis­sile that brought down Flight 17 was fired by Ukrain­ian troops from a gov­ern­ment bat­tery, not by eth­nic Russ­ian rebels who have been resist­ing the regime in Kiev since elect­ed Pres­i­dent Vik­tor Yanukovych was over­thrown on Feb. 22.

Accord­ing to a source briefed on the ten­ta­tive find­ings, the sol­diers man­ning the bat­tery appeared to be wear­ing Ukrain­ian uni­forms and may have been drink­ing, since what looked like beer bot­tles were scat­tered around the site. But the source added that the infor­ma­tion was still incom­plete and the ana­lysts did not rule out the pos­si­bil­i­ty of rebel respon­si­bil­i­ty. . . .

 

“What Did U.S. Spy Satel­lites See in Ukraine?” by Robert Par­ry; Con­sor­tium News; 7/20/2019.

. . . . The dog-not-bark­ing ques­tion on the cat­a­stro­phe over Ukraine is: what did the U.S. sur­veil­lance satel­lite imagery show? It’s hard to believe that – with the atten­tion that U.S. intel­li­gence has con­cen­trat­ed on east­ern Ukraine for the past half year that the alleged truck­ing of sev­er­al large Buk anti-air­craft mis­sile sys­tems from Rus­sia to Ukraine and then back to Rus­sia didn’t show up some­where.

Yes, there are lim­i­ta­tions to what U.S. spy satel­lites can see. But the Buk mis­siles are about 16 feet long and they are usu­al­ly mount­ed on trucks or tanks. Malaysia Air­lines Flight 17 also went down dur­ing the after­noon, not at night, mean­ing the mis­sile bat­tery was not con­cealed by dark­ness.. . .

. . . . What I’ve been told by one source, who has pro­vid­ed accu­rate infor­ma­tion on sim­i­lar mat­ters in the past, is that U.S. intel­li­gence agen­cies do have detailed satel­lite images of the like­ly mis­sile bat­tery that launched the fate­ful mis­sile, but the bat­tery appears to have been under the con­trol of Ukrain­ian gov­ern­ment troops dressed in what look like Ukrain­ian uni­forms.

The source said CIA ana­lysts were still not rul­ing out the pos­si­bil­i­ty that the troops were actu­al­ly east­ern Ukrain­ian rebels in sim­i­lar uni­forms but the ini­tial assess­ment was that the troops were Ukrain­ian sol­diers. There also was the sug­ges­tion that the sol­diers involved were undis­ci­plined and pos­si­bly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bot­tles scat­tered around the site, the source said.

Instead of press­ing for these kinds of details, the U.S. main­stream press has sim­ply passed on the pro­pa­gan­da com­ing from the Ukrain­ian gov­ern­ment and the U.S. State Depart­ment, includ­ing hyp­ing the fact that the Buk sys­tem is “Russ­ian-made,” a rather mean­ing­less fact that gets end­less­ly repeat­ed.

How­ev­er, to use the “Russ­ian-made” point to sug­gest that the Rus­sians must have been involved in the shoot-down is mis­lead­ing at best and clear­ly designed to influ­ence ill-informed Amer­i­cans. As the Post and oth­er news out­lets sure­ly know, the Ukrain­ian mil­i­tary also oper­ates Russ­ian-made mil­i­tary sys­tems, includ­ing Buk anti-air­craft bat­ter­ies, so the man­u­fac­tur­ing ori­gin has no pro­ba­tive val­ue here.

. . . . In recog­ni­tion of the key role played by the neo-Nazis, who are ide­o­log­i­cal descen­dants of Ukrain­ian mili­tias that col­lab­o­rat­ed with the Nazi SS in World War II, the new regime gave these far-right nation­al­ists con­trol of sev­er­al min­istries, includ­ing the office of nation­al secu­ri­ty which is under the com­mand of long­time neo-Nazi activist Andriy Paru­biy.[See Consortiumnews.com’s “Ukraine, Through the US Look­ing Glass.”]

It was this same Paru­biy whom the Post writ­ers turned to seek­ing more infor­ma­tion con­demn­ing the east­ern Ukrain­ian rebels and the Rus­sians regard­ing the Malaysia Air­lines cat­a­stro­phe. Paru­biy accused the rebels in the vicin­i­ty of the crash site of destroy­ing evi­dence and con­duct­ing a cov­er-up, anoth­er theme that res­onat­ed through the MSM.

With­out both­er­ing to inform read­ers of Parubiy’s unsa­vory neo-Nazi back­ground, the Post quot­ed him as a reli­able wit­ness declar­ing: “It will be hard to con­duct a full inves­ti­ga­tion with some of the objects being tak­en away, but we will do our best.”

“With Jet Strike, War in Ukraine is Felt Glob­al­ly” by Peter Bak­er; The New York Times; 7/19/2014.

. . . . Mr. Putin was also in the air above East­ern Europe that after­noon, as he was return­ing from a six-day tour of Latin Amer­i­ca aboard his pres­i­den­tial Air­bus, referred to as Air­craft No. 1 by the media. The Russ­ian jet appar­ent­ly passed near the doomed Malaysian plane, both fly­ing in rough­ly the same air­space over War­saw at 33,000 feet some 37 min­utes apart, accord­ing to an Inter­fax report. He got on the tele­phone with Mr. Oba­ma short­ly after land­ing. . . . 

. . . . The coin­ci­den­tal prox­im­i­ty of Mr. Putin’s plane even led to con­spir­a­cy the­o­ries that who­ev­er destroyed the Malaysia jet was actu­al­ly try­ing to tar­get the Russ­ian pres­i­dent. Rossiya 24, the state-run cable net­work, played past clips of Ukrain­ian pub­lic fig­ures say­ing they wished Mr. Putin dead and then inter­viewed sup­posed experts about how the two planes might have been con­fused.

Mr. Putin released a state­ment 40 min­utes after mid­night, blam­ing Ukraine. “Cer­tain­ly,” he said, “the gov­ern­ment over whose ter­ri­to­ry it occurred is respon­si­ble for this ter­ri­ble tragedy.” . . . .

 

Discussion

3 comments for “Did the Ukrainian Military Shoot Down the Malaysian Airlines Plane?”

  1. Check out the video in the link below, it seems to indi­cate the involve­ment of a mil­i­tary air­craft.

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    http://www.pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2014/07/alert-777-shoot-down-video-shows-chaff.html

    Thurs­day, July 17, 2014
    ALERT! 777 Shoot Down Video Shows CHAFF Was Deployed, Points to Fight­er Jet Involve­ment

    The video below is pur­port­ed to be of the 777 shoot down in Ukraine. Note that @11 sec­onds into the video Chaff stream­ers are float­ing down on to the wreck­age site. Chaff is dis­pensed from mil­i­tary air­craft to obscure an air­craft from RADAR and RADAR guid­ed mis­siles. The pres­ence of the Chaff indi­cates some­thing is not right about the sto­ry being told.

    IF this is video of the 777 shoot down in Ukraine, it indi­cates that a mil­i­tary air­craft was involved in the shoot down. This could be any­thing from a fight­er actu­al­ly shoot­ing down the 777, to a fight­er shad­ow­ing the 777 and hav­ing to launch Chaff to avoid a mis­sile.

    What ever the case, the glit­ter­ing stream­ers and specs in the video show that the offi­cial sto­ry being told is not cor­rect.

    UPDATE:
    Based on video we’ve seen of bod­ies at the crash site, its clear that it was a low­er speed crash as the bod­ies have limbs intact. This means that when MH17 went down there were some con­trol­lable lift­ing sur­faces. The fact that there was a large fire­ball indi­cates fuel tanks were most­ly intact before impact.

    Posted by Vanfield | July 23, 2014, 9:14 am

  2. Two Ukrain­ian jets were downed today and, based on the state­ments from both sides, it’s a reminder that the fog of war can cloud your mind in ways you may not see:

    The Los Ange­les Times
    Ukraine believes mis­siles from Rus­sia downed 2 mil­i­tary jets

    By Steven Zeitchik
    July 23, 2014, 2:06 PM

    Ukrain­ian offi­cials said Wednes­day that two mil­i­tary jets have been shot down in the east­ern part of the coun­try, and the mis­siles that downed them may have been launched from Rus­sia.

    There was no imme­di­ate response from Russ­ian offi­cials. Rus­si­a’s state-run Itar-Tass news agency report­ed that the planes were shot down by a Ukrain­ian sep­a­ratist mili­tia.

    The pilots of the Su-25 fight­er air­craft eject­ed from the planes, the Ukrain­ian gov­ern­ment said, but their where­abouts are unknown. The inci­dents occurred near the Russ­ian bor­der, in a part of Ukraine where the gov­ern­ment is wag­ing a bat­tle against pro-Rus­sia sep­a­ratists.

    How­ev­er, at an after­noon secu­ri­ty brief­ing, a Ukrain­ian defense spokesman said the mil­i­tary believes that the mis­siles that brought down the planes came not from sep­a­ratists in Ukraine but from the Russ­ian side of the bor­der.

    “They were downed not by ter­ror­ists,” said Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for the Nation­al Secu­ri­ty and Defense Coun­cil, using the gov­ern­men­t’s term for the sep­a­ratists. “?Accord­ing to our pre­lim­i­nary infor­ma­tion it was done from across the bor­der.”

    Lysenko cit­ed the fact that the planes were fly­ing? at an alti­tude of more than 15,000 feet as part of the evi­dence that the mis­siles that brought the air­craft down could­n’t have come from sep­a­ratists.

    Asked whether this con­tra­dict­ed the gov­ern­men­t’s belief that sep­a­ratists had access to just such a capa­bil­i­ty last week in bring­ing down Malaysia Air­lines Flight 17, which was fly­ing at twice that alti­tude, Lysenko said, “This is just based on pre­lim­i­nary data” and did not elab­o­rate fur­ther, say­ing only that “an inves­ti­ga­tion is being arranged.”

    He said the mil­i­tary still did not know the where­abouts of the pilots.

    On Wednes­day evening sep­a­ratist lead­ers claimed respon­si­bil­i­ty for bring­ing down the two jets.

    Sergei Kav­taradze, an aide to Olek­san­dr Boro­day, one of the self-pro­claimed lead­ers of the so-called Donet­sk People’s Repub­lic, told CNN that sep­a­ratists struck the planes. Sep­a­ratist forces used shoul­der-fired mis­siles to bring them down, Kav­taradze said.

    But the sce­nario in Kavtaradze’s account would not be pos­si­ble, acord­ing to the con­di­tions described by the Ukrain­ian mil­i­tary. Lysenko said the planes were fly­ing as high as 17,000 feet, much high­er than a portable sys­tem can reach.

    The sep­a­ratists’ claims on the fight­er jets stand in sharp con­trast to their posi­tion on the downed Malaysian air­lin­er, in which they con­tin­ue to deny any involve­ment.

    The pro-Rus­sia para­mil­i­tary units have been fir­ing at jets in east­ern Ukraine’s air­space in recent months, bring­ing down two mil­i­tary trans­port planes in the days before the Malaysia Air­lines dis­as­ter. But, if con­firmed, the attack Wednes­day would be the first strike in the area since the down­ing of the com­mer­cial jet.

    ...

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | July 23, 2014, 1:48 pm

  3. With the down­ing of two Ukrain­ian mil­i­tary jets today, here’s an arti­cle from yes­ter­day pre­dict­ing that the down­ing of HM17 last week may not cre­ate a pause in the fight­ing and might actu­al­ly inten­si­fy it:

    Bloomberg
    Rebel Strong­hold Holds Breath as Shell­fire Esca­lates in Donet­sk
    By Ali­ak­san­dr Kudryt­s­ki Jul 22, 2014 7:00 PM CT

    The grass is being trimmed, the flow­ers tend­ed and the pot­holes on roads filled. Jazz plays out from a café, and a few peo­ple are out enjoy­ing the sun­shine.

    Yet punc­tur­ing the scene of a Euro­pean sum­mer is the dis­tant boom, boom, boom of artillery fire and empti­ness.

    This is Donet­sk, nick­named the Ukrain­ian city of a mil­lion ros­es and now the head­quar­ters of a pro-Rus­sia group want­i­ng to break up the coun­try. With sep­a­ratists blamed by the U.S. for shoot­ing down a Malaysia Air­lines plane last week and killing almost 300 peo­ple, the sem­blance of nor­mal­i­ty masks a fore­bod­ing among res­i­dents as to the fate of their city with Ukrain­ian forces fight­ing mil­i­tants in the sub­urbs.

    “All this is idio­cy,” said Olga, 25, keep­ing an eye on her tod­dler son Arty­om in a city play­ground. Like most locals, she spoke Russ­ian and declined to give her last name. “Each side is fight­ing for its own ben­e­fit, and these are com­mon peo­ple that suf­fer unnec­es­sar­i­ly.”

    The down­ing of flight MH17 60 kilo­me­ters (37 miles) from Donet­sk brought the region­al con­flict back into the glob­al spot­light with rebels at first ham­per­ing access to the crash site. Rather than prompt­ing a pause in the fight­ing, it risks esca­lat­ing while world lead­ers pres­sure Russ­ian Pres­i­dent Vladimir Putin to speed an inves­ti­ga­tion.

    About 40 per­cent of res­i­dents have already left Donet­sk, Alexan­der Boro­dai, prime min­is­ter of the self-pro­claimed Donet­sk People’s Repub­lic, or DPR, told reporters this week. Of those who remain, most who were asked yes­ter­day said they were brac­ing for a siege after shell­fire forced many into shel­ters.

    City Explodes

    Ele­na Ana­tolyev­na, 52, who sells the tra­di­tion­al soft drink “kvas” out­side Donetsk’s main rail­way sta­tion, was among those ush­ered to safe­ty by the DPR when a shell land­ed, she said.

    “The main thing is that the region has had enough of being ruled by the same oli­garchs from Kiev,” she said at her cart. “It has been seething for a while, and now it explod­ed.”

    Donet­sk had a pop­u­la­tion of about 1 mil­lion before Ukraine start­ed dis­in­te­grat­ing. While its down­town area is full of tree-line boule­vards, cafes and stores, the city is an indus­tri­al hub in the Don­bas region bor­der­ing Rus­sia, the cen­ter of the country’s coal min­ing and steel indus­try.

    It’s the domain of Ukraine’s rich­est busi­ness­man, Rinat Akhme­tov. DTEK, the largest pri­vate ener­gy co. in Ukraine, owned by Akhme­tov, was forced to shut down its office in Donet­sk this month because of the ten­sion in the city.

    ...

    And here’s an arti­cle about a trend that will almost sure­ly inten­si­fy the fight­ing: for­eign neo-Nazis are still head­ing to Ukraine:

    16 July 2014 Last updat­ed at 08:43 ET

    Ukraine con­flict: ‘White pow­er’ war­rior from Swe­den
    By Dina New­man BBC News

    The appear­ance of far-right activists, both for­eign and home-grown, among the Ukrain­ian vol­un­teers fight­ing in east Ukraine is caus­ing unease.

    Mikael Skillt is a Swedish sniper, with sev­en years’ expe­ri­ence in the Swedish Army and the Swedish Nation­al Guard. He is cur­rent­ly fight­ing with the Azov Bat­tal­ion, a pro-Ukrain­ian vol­un­teer armed group in east­ern Ukraine. He is known to be dan­ger­ous to the rebels: report­ed­ly there is a boun­ty of near­ly $7,000 (£4,090; 5,150 euros) on his head.

    In a tele­phone con­ver­sa­tion from an undis­closed loca­tion, Mr Skillt told me more about his duties: “I have at least three pur­pos­es in the Azov Bat­tal­ion: I am a com­man­der of a small recon­nais­sance unit, I am also a sniper, and some­times I work as a spe­cial coor­di­na­tor for clear­ing hous­es and going into civil­ian areas.”

    As to his polit­i­cal views, Mr Skillt prefers to call him­self a nation­al­ist, but in fact his views are typ­i­cal of a neo-Nazi.k/b

    “It’s all about how you see it,” he says. “I would be an idiot if I said I did not want to see sur­vival of white peo­ple. After World War Two, the vic­tors wrote their his­to­ry. They decid­ed that it’s always a bad thing to say I am white and I am proud.”

    ‘One stray lib­er­al’

    Mr Skillt believes races should not mix. He says the Jews are not white and should not mix with white peo­ple. His next project is to go fight for Syr­i­an Pres­i­dent Bashar al-Assad because he believes Mr Assad is stand­ing up to “inter­na­tion­al Zion­ism”.

    Not all of Mr Skillt’s views are wide­ly shared in the Azov Bat­tal­ion, which is about 300-strong in total.

    He says his com­rades do not dis­cuss pol­i­tics much, though some of them may be “nation­al social­ists” and may wear swastikas. On the oth­er hand, “there is even one lib­er­al, though I don’t know how he got there”, he adds, with a smile in his voice.

    Mr Skillt says there is only a hand­ful of for­eign fight­ers in the Azov Bat­tal­ion and they do not get paid. “They see it as a good thing, to come and fight,” he explains. How­ev­er, Mr Skillt is expect­ing more for­eign­ers to join soon: he says there is now a recruiter who is look­ing for “seri­ous fight­ers” from out­side Ukraine.

    The key fig­ures in the Azov Bat­tal­ion are its com­man­der, Andriy Bilet­sky, and his deputy, Ihor Mosiy­chuk.

    Andriy Bilet­sky is also the leader of a Ukrain­ian organ­i­sa­tion called the Social Nation­al Assem­bly. Its aims are stat­ed in one of their online pub­li­ca­tions:

    * “to pre­pare Ukraine for fur­ther expan­sion and to strug­gle for the lib­er­a­tion of the entire White Race from the dom­i­na­tion of the inter­na­tion­al­ist spec­u­la­tive cap­i­tal”

    * “to pun­ish severe­ly sex­u­al per­ver­sions and any inter­ra­cial con­tacts that lead to the extinc­tion of the white man”

    This, accord­ing to experts, is a typ­i­cal neo-Nazi nar­ra­tive.

    ‘For­eign jour­nal­ists’

    The Azov Bat­tal­ion was formed and armed by Ukraine’s inte­ri­or min­istry. A min­is­te­r­i­al advis­er, Anton Gerashchenko, got angry when I asked him if the bat­tal­ion had any neo-Nazi links through the Social Nation­al Assem­bly.

    “The Social Nation­al Assem­bly is not a neo-Nazi organ­i­sa­tion,” he said.

    “It is a par­ty of Ukrain­ian patri­ots who are giv­ing their lives while the rich Euro­peans are only talk­ing about sup­port­ing Ukraine. When, may I ask, will Eng­lish peo­ple come here and help us fight ter­ror­ists sent by Rus­si­a’s Pres­i­dent [Vladimir] Putin, instead of lec­tur­ing us on our moral val­ues or peo­ple’s polit­i­cal affil­i­a­tions?”

    Mr Gerashchenko was adamant, how­ev­er, that there were no for­eign cit­i­zens fight­ing in the Azov Bat­tal­ion.

    “There are for­eign jour­nal­ists, from Swe­den, Spain and Italy, who have come to report on the hero­ic achieve­ments of the fight­ers in their strug­gle against ter­ror­ism,” he said.

    He insist­ed he had nev­er heard of Mikael Skillt, the Swedish sniper.

    ...

    So the neo-Nazi Azov Bat­tal­ion was formed and armed by the inte­ri­or min­istry, and the bat­tal­ion leader is also the leader of the “Social Nation­al Assem­bly” which, we are informed from the min­istry, is total­ly not a neo-Nazi group, even though it pro­claims that it’s fight to “lib­er­ate the White Race” and wants to severe­ly pun­ish inter­ra­cial con­tacts. And, of course, the min­istry assured us that there are no for­eign fight­ers nor any neo-Nazis any­where to be seen.

    Posted by Pterrafractyl | July 23, 2014, 5:44 pm

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