Thanks Dave i was won­der­ing about Adbuster. Were you aware hack­ing group Anony­mous was involved? In light of their sup­port for Julian Assange i am seri­ous­ly ques­tion­ing the the valid­i­ty of this move­ment. As a typ­i­cal Fas­cist divide and con­quer ploy

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Well.........to be hon­est, Dave, I’ve looked into this stuff myself for a long time now, and:
AdBusters def­i­nite­ly DID NOT start this move­ment, as some of the far-right morons and crooked mem­bers of the lamestream media have claimed(including Canada’s Nation­al Post.), and this was, in fact an actu­al grass­roots move­ment, UNLIKE the Tea Par­ty. (HOWEVER, the pos­si­bil­i­ty that Kalle Lasn and oth­ers are hijack­ing the movement(including ‘Rocky Suhay­da’) for their own ends can­not be ignored.)

It also became imme­di­ate­ly clear to me that the media has con­nect­ed AdBusters to the O.W.S. move­ment to try to dis­cred­it it completely(and they prob­a­bly knew about the anti-Semi­tism before­hand, too!), and pos­si­bly to try to revive sup­port for groups that WERE actu­al­ly start­ed by fas­cists, the Tea Par­ty in par­tic­u­lar. And unfor­tu­nate­ly, there are already agents provo­ca­teur at work as well. Remem­ber Patrick How­ell, the guy who dis­rupt­ed the D.C. protests?

They are try­ing real hard to dis­cred­it the move­ment, Dave. How could you not see this?

@Leif: Here’s the prob­lem with that:.......Eric Can­tor said the EXACT same thing about O.W.S., while pro­mot­ing the Tea Par­ty SOBs in the same breath.

You know some­thing? All of these peo­ple mak­ing this kind of claim that I’ve seen so far it seems, have NEVER seri­ous­ly dis­cussed the ACTUAL anti-Semi­tism and fas­cist ori­gins of the Tea Par­ty move­ment. Ever. I have yet to see one who will even TOUCH the Teabag­gers. Or Ron Paul for that mat­ter. Why the hypocrisy?
Hell, BILL KRISTOL, of all peo­ple, claimed that ALL O.W.S.ers were anti-Semit­ic, and he HIMSELF is part of a crim­i­nal branch of the U.S. gov­ern­ment and which still has ACTUAL ene­mies of the Jew­ish peo­ple in it! But he’ll nev­er go after them, Leif. Nev­er.

I’m sor­ry, but this sto­ry smells like com­plete B.S. to me, and TBH, I am shocked, and dis­ap­point­ed that Dave could­n’t see that right away, because usu­al­ly, he’s right on tar­get.

Per­haps the Anoy­mous org is mor­ph­ing into what Dave has described as a “vir­tu­al state”. It seems like it is not at all dif­fi­cult to hook up and join in with their net­work. It could very well be that they are being infil­trat­ed by Under­ground Reich ele­ments. Or per­haps the whole idea has been part of the com­plex work­ings of a mas­sive intel op all along.

@Sandra: I betcha they prob­a­bly are being infiltrated........but TBH, what does this have to do with O.W.S.?

@Steven
Just look­ing at it in his­tor­i­cal per­spec­tive as per­haps its a divide and divide and con­quer ploy.

who knows maybe time will tell.
my per­son­al research is flat on adbusters.

Anon seems to be an anchro inter­net phe­nom­com­ing from all direc­tions
so you know how that goes
‘they say the third world war is a war of ide­ol­o­gy’

dont know Eric Can­tor but the tea par­ty smells like fas­cism lite to me from the word go, thanks for the men­tion

is there a forum or some­thing of the sort so we can hang out and com­pare notes?

@Leif: Well, there cer­tain­ly are those try­ing to manip­u­late & infil­trate the move­ment, even from within........thankfully, though, I have been on Demo­c­ra­t­ic
Under­ground & Dai­lyKos and at least in those place, the absolute vast major­i­ty of peo­ple are high­ly dis­gust­ed with the anti-Semi­tism that HAS occurred. So I do believe there is some hope.

Sad­ly, though, I don’t think we share any forum memberships......comparing notes would prob­a­bly have been inter­est­ing indeed. =)

Steven, you are express­ing an opin­ion, not cit­ing fact.

The Nation­al Post arti­cle says that the ini­tial call for the OWS move­ment start­ed with AdBusters.

I’ve also seen “Anony­mous” linked to the oper­a­tion as well. (THAT nails it down, does­n’t it?!)

In addi­tion to the rel­a­tive­ly young, cyber­ac­tivists report­ed to com­prise the Anony­mous milieu, I will guar­an­tee you that intel­li­gence ser­vices are pos­ing as Anony­mous as well.

They would­n’t miss such an oppor­tu­ni­ty.

Inter­na­tion­al Answer has also been linked to the movement–an orga­ni­za­tion led by Ram­sey Clark, who cov­ered up the killings of both Kennedy broth­ers and Mar­tin Luther King.

It remains to be seen what comes from OWS.

There have been calls for the estab­lish­ment of a third par­ty, echo­ing the Naderoids of 2000.

Per­haps they can put Rom­ney in in 2012.

So far, all OWS has actu­al­ly done is to add to munic­i­pal bud­get strain, with the police OT they have pre­cip­i­tat­ed.

This will exac­er­bate the incli­na­tion to lay peo­ple off in order to bal­ance already strained bud­gets.

I’ve got hunch that, in the end, it will be like most things the doc­tri­naire left man­ages to do.

It will have all the sub­stance and pro­duc­tiv­i­ty of light­ing a fart.

@Dave: Well, hel­lo, Dave, I’m sur­prised to see you on here.
Any­way, I do con­fess that I had made the error not doing much research when I made those ini­tial com­ments back on the 16th. As I did start addi­tion­al research, it does turn out that there were indeed a cou­ple of peo­ple from AdBusters who did spark the move­ment; name­ly one Bill Schmalz of Van­cou­ver, B.C. and senior edi­tor Mic­ah White: how­ev­er, though, as far as I know, they seem to be okay.
How­ev­er, though, I con­tin­ue to be sus­pi­cious of Lasn, and I still feel that, based on what I have observed, the MSM is like­ly prop­ping him up only to knock him down so they can make the pro­test­ers look real­ly bad.

How­ev­er, though, fur­ther research has also indi­cat­ed that manip­u­la­tion is def­i­nite­ly indeed occur­ring, and if what you are say­ing is accurate(and very well could be!) ANSWER Inter­na­tion­al did indeed have con­nec­tions to the mur­ders of the Kennedy Bros. AND MLK, than that is quite eerie indeed.

What­ev­er the case, hope­ful­ly, peo­ple will wake up and real­ize what’s going on.

BTW, Dave, I do hope you can come back soon with new F.T.R. shows.

‘Till then, best of luck to you. =)

BTW, Dave, I’d also like to let you know that I have done some think­ing, and real­ized that an apol­o­gy was in order, that is, from me to you.
Check your inbox.......(also includ­ed is a doc­u­men­tary I found on YT that explored fas­cism in the U.S.)

From the Lasn inter­view:

“His first job was at the Aus­tralian Defense Depart­ment where he played com­put­er-sim­u­lat­ed war games in the Pacif­ic Ocean.”

Noth­ing sus­pi­cious about that, right?

@David: If that’s true, then that’s anoth­er indi­ca­tion that this guy may be a plant of some sort. Truth is, the Estab­lish­ment has had a his­to­ry of build­ing up shady fig­ures with­in some move­ments for what­ev­er rea­son; this hap­pened with Glo­ria Steinem with the 2nd Wave fem­i­nist move­ment, and Julian Assange with WikiLeaks.(How do I know? Dave did pro­grams on BOTH)

All indi­ca­tions I’ve seen so far strong­ly sug­gest this nay very well be true for Lasn as well: noth­ing our Main­stream Media says seems to add up for the most part.

@David: I’d also like to ask again why the hell the M.S.M. has said hard­ly any­thing about the VOLUMES of anti-Semi­tism com­ing from the Tea Par­ty, and why it seems not many have made a fuss about Eric Can­tor’s com­plete­ly B.S. (and hyp­o­crit­i­cal!) state­ment con­cern­ing the ‘Occu­py Wall Street’ move­ment ‘divid­ing’ the Amer­i­can peo­ple. “If you read the news­pa­pers today, I, for one, am increas­ing­ly con­cerned about the grow­ing mobs occu­py­ing Wall Street and the oth­er cities across the coun­try. And believe it or not, some in this town, have actu­al­ly con­doned the pit­ting of Amer­i­cans against Amer­i­cans. But you sent us here to fight for you and all Amer­i­cans.” And yet, he pro­motes the Tea Par­ty, which was cre­at­ed to do the exact same thing that was claimed of O.W.S. by him and oth­ers.

If any­thing at all, from the research I’ve done, Occu­py Wall Street has only helped to uni­fy peo­ple, if it’s had any real effect at all.

To be sure, there are def­i­nite­ly some very sus­pi­cious, shady, and even mys­te­ri­ous, fig­ures and orga­ni­za­tions who seem to have grav­i­tat­ed to the move­ment, as Dave point­ed out, such as ANSWER, and Anonymous......But was the O.W.S. actu­al­ly start­ed by the Estab­lish­ment? All viable evi­dence I’ve come across so far says that this was indeed a true grass­roots move­ment at first so I’ll have to say no. But is there a dan­ger of it being co-opt­ed by extrem­ists and oth­er unwant­ed fig­ures? Yes, indeed; in fact, as I men­tioned ear­li­er, this hap­pened with Wik­ileaks too.

The Tea Par­ty, on the oth­er hand, was def­i­nite­ly, and all too obvi­ous­ly a fab­ri­ca­tion of the Estab­lish­ment from the very beginning....I know this all too well thanks to the dili­gent research of many peo­ple out there, includ­ing the qual­i­ty research done by Dave. And of all the Under­ground Reich/other Estab­lish­ment orga­ni­za­tions that could destroy O.W.S., the Teabag­gers are the scari­est of all because they have the most polit­i­cal pow­er & finan­cial back­ing at the moment.

Per­haps Occu­py Wall Street will be able to shake off these neg­a­tive influ­ences and become a spark for an even big­ger awak­en­ing. But if the Tea Par­ty, Neo-Nazi, etc. SOBs win the day, then this could set us back many years and could per­haps pave the way for more Repub­li­can criminality/DINO incom­pe­tence, and maybe even worse than that! And this is some­thing we can’t afford to have happen.....so let’s try to wake peo­ple up instead of shun­ning O.W.S. alto­geth­er, hmm? Because alien­at­ing the peo­ple will only hurt our cause in the long run........thank you all for tak­ing the time to read this. =)