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COMMENT: Among the many unanswered (and, perhaps, unasked) questions about Tyler Robinson concerns the absence of a rifle in pictures of him ascending to the roof.
Presumably, the rifle was disassembled and in the back-pack he is seen carrying.
Others have suggested the weapon was secreted in his jeans.
Do note that Robinson “is ‘not co-operating’ with authorities and has not confessed to carrying out the shooting,” according to the BBC.
Others have noted the contradictions and numerous dodgy aspects of the official story.
Who is the person seen descending the stairs as Robinson is apparently ascending the stairs? What have they had to say? What might they have had to say about Robinson’s gait?
How did Robinson escape? The alleged murder weapon was found wrapped in a towel in the woods. How did it get there?
Was there a body of water nearby? Why didn’t Robinson dispose of the alleged murder weapon in that body of water?
How did he get home?
This society is thoroughly surveilled. Where are photos of Robinson in an automobile? Where is the computer data from an automobile that may have been driven by him or by an accomplice?
How about the purchase of the gun allegedly used in the shooting? Were there any recoverable data from its purchase? It allegedly belonged to Robinson’s grandfather. How did Robinson get it to the scene of the assassination?
What about the private jet that left Provo Airport shortly after the killing and then dropped off radar?
All of this is beside the myriad political information about Robinson.
Simply put, we don’t think he had the military skills necessary to pull of a crime like this. A trained sniper would have no problem with a shot like the one Robinson is alleged to have executed, but Robinson was not a trained sniper.
He is already being categorized: ” . . . . In the aftermath of the killing, some liberals held on to the faulty hope that Robinson might be either a Groyper, the very online, infamously bigoted associates of hard-right Kirk critic Nick Fuentes, or a dissociative wingnut in the John Hinckley variety.
Hinckley wasn’t a “wing nut.” He was a Nazi.
Pictures of the alleged “sniper perch” and the late Charlie Kirk also raise questions. (Photos are not the best arbiters of information in this context.)
The sniper’s perch is slightly to the left of Robinson–Kirk was shot in the left side of his neck. Was the sniper positioned far enough to Kirk’s left to have inflicted such a wound?
The relative position of the alleged sniper and Kirk require additional clarification. (We doubt this will be forthcoming.)
Recall how Lee Harvey Oswald was framed. One of the propaganda props in that act concerned the cover phot of Life Magazine of February 21, 1964, showing “Oswald” with the weapons he allegedly used to kill JFK and officer J.D. Tippitt, as well as a copy of The Militant, the newspaper of the Socialist Workers Party.
Oswald himself claimed that his head had been superimposed on the picture, which was not of him.
The shadow under his nose goes straight down.
The shadow cast by his body, however, goes in a different direction.
The tilt of “Oswald“ ‘s body is ludicrous.
Among the elements “painting Oswald Red” is his interview with WDSU, broadcast all over the country in the wake of JFK’s assassination.
One can but wonder if Charlie Kirk is a latter-day Horst Wessel–a “Martyr-Designate?”
UPDATE: Do note that the vast bulk of what we “know” about “Lee Harvey” Robinson comes from his phone and (apparent) social media postings. The overlapping Com/764/MKY/Purgatory networks specialize in manifesting such things and faking them via phones, etc.
These networks include Edward “Big Balls” Coristine, who now has the personal data of the American public at his disposal. He has specialized in “SIM swapping.”
In this context, we should not lose sight of the Internet and its genesis as a vehicle for counter-insurgency. Counter insurgency was also the operational assignment for German military intelligence operative Adolf Hitler.
The online and gaming milieu to which Robinson belonged is very involved with cryptocurrency. Might Robinson have been promised a lot of cryptocurrency if he took credit for the killing, analogous to the manner in which James Earl Ray was maneuvered into admitting guilt for the killing of Martin Luther King in exchange for a portion of the profits from a book?
Look how what the Kirk assassination is precipitating:
September 16, 2025
On Free Speech Hypocrisy — by JD Vance
February 2025:
In Munich, Vance accuses European politicians of censoring free speech — Reuters
U.S. Vice President JD Vance on Friday took a swipe at European governments for what he described as their censorship of free speech and their political opponents, ...
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Vance adopted a confrontational tone, accusing European politicians of what he said was a fear of their own people and warned them that the real threat against their democracy was not from Russia or China.“The threat I worry the most about vis-à-vis Europe is not Russia, it’s not China, it’s not any other external actor. What I worry about is the threat from within, the retreat of Europe from some its most fundamental values, values shared with the United States of America,” Vance said.
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.. he said Brussels had shut down social media over hateful content, and criticized Germany for what he described as raids against its own citizens for posting anti-feminist comments, Sweden for convicting a Christian activist, and United Kingdom for backsliding on religious rights.—
September 2025:
Vance calls for action against those celebrating Kirk’s assassination — AP via The Christian Index
Vice President JD Vance on Monday joined those demanding consequences for those who have cheered Charlie Kirk’s assassination, calling on the public to turn in anyone who celebrate the assassination of his friend and political ally and encourage further violence.
“When you see someone celebrating Charlie’s murder, call them out,” Vance urged listeners on the slain activist’s podcast Monday. “And hell, call their employer.”
Vance’s call also included a vow to target some of the biggest funders of liberal causes, as conservatives stepped up their targeting of private individuals for their comments celebrating the killing and encouraging more violence.
Republican-controlled states such as Florida, Oklahoma, and Texas have launched investigations of teachers accused of inappropriate statements after last week’s assassination. The U.S. military has invited members of the public to report those who “celebrate or mock” the killing and said some troops have already been removed for their comments.
At the same time, the Trump administration has vowed to target what it contends is a vast liberal network that inspired the shooter.
UPDATE #2: In the current political climate, we should stress that we feel that Charlie Kirk was:
- A doctrinaire fascist. (Mussolini defined fascism as “corporatism” and called his system “the corporate state.”)
- The author of frequent political pronouncements that were overtly and explicitly racist.
- An advocate for the military occupation of American cities–a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.
- One who demonized lawful political opposition and people of other gender and sexual persuasions.
- A subscriber to the theory of Jewish control of: “not just the colleges — it’s the nonprofits, it’s the movies, it’s Hollywood, it’s all of it.”
That having been said, we strongly condemn his killing. He did not deserve to be killed. Indeed, we doubt the developing “official” version of the assassination and suspect it was a Reichstag Fire/False-flag/Provocation, performed with the explicit intent of creating a political martyr and justifying pre-ordained political repression against a demonized, scapegoated political opposition.
We doubt his true killers will ever be caught. Ideally, we would love to network with Kirk’s family and supporters, sharing our decades-old body of information about this country’s political assassinations.
Don’t hold your breath.
Excellent commentary especially given your deep cognizance of the history of fascist and far right movements.
Was Charlie intent on creating a cadre of an American contemporary “Hitler Youth” type movement?
As more and more details about the shooting of Charlie Kirk pour in, a picture is emerging. It happens to nonsense picture, but that’s what’s emerging. In addition to what appears to be strong admissions of guilt on the part of Tyler Robinson in the shooting of Kirk, we’re also being shown what is purportedly evidence of that much-hyped romantic relationship between Robinson and his transgendered roommate, Lance Twiggs. Really bizarre evidence that raises more questions than it answers, as we’re going to see.
For starters, authorities have released a series of text exchanges between Robinsons and Twiggs sent in the hours following the shooting. The texts were likely sent via Discord. The exchanges starts with Robinson asking Twiggs to drop everything they are doing and read a letter that was left under a keyboard, presumably at the condo where they lived. This physical note allegedly said “I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I’m going to take it.”
We don’t know if there was any other content in this note. But as we’re going to see, Robinson seemed to be confident he could pull off this assassination without getting caught. It was only after he was unable to retrieve the rifle that he started considering the possibility that he wasn’t going to get away with it. So for him to leave a letter under a keyboard, presumably a letter that would be found should he die during the act, it would be rather odd for him to leave no information about why he did it. It’s not like the identity of the shooter would need clarifying at that point. But that’s all we’re about the contents of this note. Just a statement admitting he did it.
Following that initial text asking Twiggs to read the note, Twiggs responds with expressions of shock over the revelation that his roommate committed the shooting, asking if this is a joke. Robinson’s reply is rather eyebrow raising: “I am still ok my love, but am stuck in orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn’t be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.”
So let’s unpack that text: Robinson refers to Twiggs as “my love”, and then seems to express a kind of confident that he’ll be back home soon. He just needs to grab his rifle. Then he expresses a sentiment about how he honestly hoped to keep the whole thing a secret until the day he dies of old age, a sentiment that points against a suicidal mindset. And then he expresses regret for having involved Twiggs. Think about the mess of contradictions in this text. He’s literally texting evidence of his role in this crime while stating how he wanted to keep it a secret until he dies of old age. And then he’s expressing regret for involving Twiggs..despite these messages to Twiggs being the things that got Twigg’s involved! Twiggs would have just been his unsuspecting roommate/lover without these texts. Now he’s potentially an accomplice after the fact unless he immediately went to the police. Robinson didn’t have to keep giving Twiggs updates on the rifle. But he did, utterly messing up his alleged lover’s life in the process.
Then we get to the text exchange where Twiggs asks why Robinson did it. Robinson simply replies “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” In addition to be oddly vague, that’s notably very similar language to the account we got from the unnamed family member that we publicly revealed by Utah Governor Spencer Cox. Recall how this unnamed family member recount to investigators hearing Robinson and a different family member discussing Charlie Kirk’s coming appearance at a recent family dinner. But according to Cox’s recounting, it was this other family member who described Kirk as being “full of hate”. It was an odd discrepancy in that anecdote. And now we have Robinson apparently using the same vague “full of hate” language when describing his motive.
The next text is Robinson describing how he’s still planning on retrieving the rifle, and a sense of confidence that he will have left no evidence. “If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it,” Robinson texted to Twiggs. Which, again, is a highly ironic message given that the message itself is a form of evidence left behind.
When asked by Twiggs how long Robinson had been planning the attack, he replies “a bit over a week I believe,” which is also a weirdly vague statement. Why add “I believe” to a statement like that? He presumably can remember pretty when he started planning something like this, especially if it as that recent.
Robinson then follows up with a further update on his attempts to retrieve the rifle. It’s at this point that he seems to be pondering leaving the rifle behind, concluding that it couldn’t be traced back to him. But he goes on to worry about what he would tell his father about the missing rifle. He goes on to worry about prints he may have left behind one the weapon. “I’m wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle.... I’m worried what my old man would do if I didn’t bring back grandpas rifle ... idek if it had a serial number, but it wouldn’t trace to me. I worry about prints I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. didn’t have the ability or time to bring it with.... I might have to abandon it and hope they don’t find prints. how the [expletive] will I explain losing it to my old man....” Keep in mind he could have simply worn gloves to avoid leaving prints on the weapons. But apparently this star student didn’t think that far ahead.
Robinson then sends Twiggs a text seemingly explaining the memes left on the bullet casings, specifically referencing the “notices bulge uwu” meme that is apparently a joke about furry culture, “remember how I was engraving bullets? The [expletive] messages are mostly a big meme, if I see ‘notices bulge uwu’ on fox new I might have a stroke alright im gonna have to leave it, that really [expletive] sucks....” The messages are mostly a big meme. That’s how he described his messaging to the world in this act. Just a big meme. And, importantly for Twigg’s criminal culpability, Robinson indicates that Twiggs was aware his roommate/lover had been engraving bullets. Again, why put all of this incriminating evidence in a series of texts?
The next message is from Robinson simply asking that Twiggs, “delete this exchange”. Keep in mind that deleting messages on a platform like Discord does, in theory, truly erase the digital evidence. Had Twiggs AND Robinson BOTH deleted these texts, this exchange really could have been entirely secret. That’s also part of what make Twiggs’s cooperation with authorities notable. He had the option to just delete everything and act as if he had no idea his roommate/lover was involved when investigators inevitably arrive. But he ended up showing the messages to investigators. Overall, it’s the kind of behavior that suggests Robinson did indeed have a deep level of trust with Twiggs. It was one incriminating text after another. But at the same time, the disregard to Twiggs’s well being is also hard to ignore. It’s just one legally jeopardizing text from Robinson after another.
Then we get to a text that was clearly sent after a description of the rifle was released by authorities, which apparent made Robinson’s parents worried enough that their son was the culprit that his father asked Tyler for a photo of that rifle, perhaps so Tyler could prove the recovered rifle was his. Robinson sends Twiggs a message explaining how his dad is asking for that photo and calling him but he’s not answers. That’s followed by a text where Robinson explains how “since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga”, and then a text where he announces his plans to turn himself in, adding “one of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.”
Robinson adds, “you are all I worry about love.” Twiggs responds with “I’m much more worried about you.” Note how at no point in this exchange did we see Twiggs use any terms of affection back towards Robinson. Granted, almost all of the exchange was Robinson’s messages to Twiggs, but it’s still notable.
The final text we are shown, Robinson asks Twiggs to not speak with the media or give any interviews. And also advises Twiggs to ask for a lawyer and stay silent with the police. Which is ironically prudent advice given how deeply Robinson implicated his ‘love’ in this crime with all of these texts.
All in all, the text serve as the next bizarre twist in a very strange story. Bizarre, in part, due to the language that many of observed don’t seem consistent with the kind of language someone his age typically uses. It will be very interesting to see if Robinson’s Discord posting history will be made available to language experts. Did Robinson typically refer to his dad as his “Old Man”? Or refer to “vehicles” instead of “cars” or “trucks”? And what about the use of phrases like “my love”...was that remotely in character? As we’re going to see, the release text messages have created so much suspicion that even Steven Bannon has come out and said he thinks they are are fabrication. In fact, Bannon called for Governor Cox to be investigated for lying about the facts of the case. So what does Bannon think is being covered up? Robinson’s ties to antifa...and maybe even ties to the Butler, PA, shooting. Yep, Bannon suspects Governor Cox is like some sort of secret antifa sympathizer. That’s the narrative he’s going with. The kind of narrative that is an implicit admission that Robinson’s ties to ‘the left’ at this point are overwhelmingly weak. Also note that President Trump declared antifa a terrorist organization in the days following Kirk’s shooting so directly tying Robinson to antifa will be important for that further domestic crackdown agenda.
We’ve also got more information on what led up to Robinson’s surrender. We are told his parents began fearing their son might be the killer when the images were first released. His mother called him the day after the shooting, asking what he was doing and he told her he was home sick and had been sick the previous day too. Then when authorities released a description of the rifle, Robinson’s dad asked him to send a photo of the rifle but didn’t get a response. Robinson and his father eventually spoke on the phone where he admitted and suggested he was going to take his life. His parents convinced him to meet at their home, and then convinced him to meet a family friend who is a retired deputy sheriff. We are told that family friend is the person who convinced him to give up peacefully.
Now we get to another rather interesting detail in this story: We are also told that Robinson was very scared of being shot by the police and agreed to surrender only under assurances that it would be peaceful and he wouldn’t be shot. “He was truly fearful about being shot by law enforcement,” according to a Washington County sheriff. Now, on the one hand, it’s not especially surprising that someone who conducted a high profile assassination might be concerned about being shot in the process of being apprehended. But this sounds like an exceptionally high fear on Robinson’s part. He needed this retired sheriff to work out an agreement. Why is he so concerned about getting bumped off by the police? Odd priorities for someone who was apparently threatening suicide hours earlier. But it’s a further indication that he wasn’t suicidal when he climbed up on that roof. The extreme fear of being shot to death by the police might also explain his earlier threats to kill himself. He seemed to think he could get away and take the secret to his grave based on the text he sent. And even after it all went awry, his primary concern was not getting shot by the police.
But then there’s the very interesting update we got from Ken Klippenstein, who has been given access to the Discord chats from Robinson’s friend group that he’s been socializing with online for years. As Klippenstein’s review makes clear, Robinson barely spoke of politics. He mentioned Biden and Trump once each. All of his friends described him as apolitical and mostly interested in video games and guns. The friend group is described maybe 30 people who have been keeping in touch on Discord, mostly just exchanging memes and talking about video games. Members has politics from across the political spectrum. It didn’t sound like Robinson would have felt a need to avoid politics with the group. He just didn’t brings it up.
Importantly, a childhood friend who spoke with Klippenstein did seem to confirm Robinson is bisexual and in a relationship with his trans roommate. The friend indicated Robinson’s parents weren’t fully aware of this relationship and described it as a low key relationship they kept between themselves. Recall the neighbor’s alleged account from roughly two weeks before the shooting where the neighbor rode his bike past them while Robinson and Twiggs were walking around outside, holding hand, kissing, and talking about going to the hospital to get the gender transition surgery. It wasn’t a very low key relationship according to that neighbor.
So the picture emerging is a kind of further confirmation of this trans roommate romance status paired with further confirmation that he was almost completely apolitical. He even described the messages on the bullet casings as ‘mostly a big meme’ according to those texts, which also provided further confirmation that Robinson’s claimed motive was Kirk’s hatred, which can’t be ‘negotiated out’. And we’ve gotten further confirmation that Robinson wasn’t suicidal. He seemed to think he could get away without being identified, if we take those texts at face value. And that near complete lack of any political motive is presumably why Klippenstein has predicted that federal investigators will inevitably conclude Robinson falls into the Nihilist Violent Extremist (NVE) category. In other words, Tyler Robinson may not fit the classic definition of an accelerationist domestic terrorist, but that’s the closest available fit:
“Trump and company portray the alleged Utah shooter as left-wing and liberals portray him as right-wing. The federal conclusion will inevitably be that he was a so-called Nihilist Violent Extremist (NVE); meanwhile, the crackdown has already begun, as I reported yesterday. The country is practically ready to go to war.’
The available evidence points towards Robinson falling into the Nihilist Violent Extremist (NVE), which is another term for an accelerationist. That was the conclusion Ken Klippenstein arrived at following a review of the leaked Discord messages he was given access to by at least one of the members of the Discord forum of what appears to a collection of young men who comprised Robinson’s online social group. On one level, Robinson doesn’t really fit that accelerationist profile since he didn’t appear to exhibit the kind fixation on mass shooters or gore that we find with so many spree killers inspired by accelerationist ideologies. Or at least we haven’t had reports yet of that kind of fixation with Robinson, which is consistent with the fact that he didn’t go on a killing spree. And yet, with no distinct political ideology, violent nihilism is arguably the closest fit. In that sense this is a lot like Thomas Matthew Crooks, who, while overall politically conservative, didn’t seem to have any outwardly visible strong ideological motivations and who also just selected one high profile conservative figure to target instead of going on a killing spree.
Also keep in mind these Discord chats with this friend group go back to at least 2019, so this review seems to cover the last 6+ years of his life, from high school up through these early adult years. This is the most meaningful peek inside Robinson’s head we’ve gotten so far and it reveals a distinct lack of political interest. There wasn’t much discussion of politics. The terms “Trump” and “Biden” only showed up once in Robinson’s posts. Robinson appeared to be apolitical by all accounts. Or at least by all of the accounts of this online group of friends, who appear to have mostly played video games and shared memes with each other. It appeared to be a fairly typical young online social group, with Robinson appearing to be an typical young adult. He spent a lot of time online, played video games, liked guns, and didn’t appear to care much for politics. The only alleged childhood friend who claimed that Robinson was vocally left-wing was that anonymous person who was the source for those now-retracted claims in the Guardian. That’s the picture that has emerged from those who seem to have been Robinson’s closest circle of friends. He was apolitical and mostly just into video games and guns:
Then then we have at least one friend who appears to confirmation Robinson’s relationship with his transgendered roommate Lance Twiggs. Robinson was bisexual and in a relationship with a trans person and, as a result, okay with gay and trans people. But that didn’t appear to be some defining aspect of his personality or politics. As the friend put it, “Obviously he’s okay with gay and trans people having a right to exist, but also believes in the Second Amendment”:
Also note how Robinson is described as being friendly but not overly expressive or emotional. He was super hard to read with a stone cold poker face:
As we’re going to see, that relatively placid demeanor wasn’t exactly on display in the text messages Robinson sent to his roommate following the shooting. Instead, Robinson repeatedly refers to Twiggs as “love”, stating at one point, “you are all I worry about love”. Those were the kinds of messages Robinson allegedly sent to Twiggs while Robinson was still in the town of Orem, Utah, waiting for an opportunity to retrieve the rifle he stashed. Starting with a message to Twiggs asking him to drop everything and read the letter Robinson left under a keyboard where Robinson confessed to the shooting he was planning on comitting. Robinson goes on to text all sorts of incriminating details, including the message, “To be honest I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.” Which was rather ironic given that it was these messages from Robinson that appear to have ‘involved’ in roommate in the whole situation in the first place:
“When the roommate looked under the keyboard, there was a note that allegedly read: “I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I’m going to take it.””
The roommate lover gets a text message alerting them to a note left under a keyboard with a confession about ‘taking out’ Charlie Kirk. That’s what we are told. It’s unclear of this was a handwritten note or a printed message. Nor is it clear if there was anything else written on the note. A motive perhaps? All we’ve heard about is this one sentence vague confession. It’s not hard to imagine what Robinson may have wanted to leave a note. He had to realize he might not survive that day. But why leave a ‘confession’ note that gives almost no details other than kind of ‘I did it’ confession? What’s the point?
And while it’s not inconceivable that Robinson could have left a note, it’s very unclear why exactly he decided to text his roommate lover about it while he was still in Orem, waiting for an opportunity to retrieve his rifle. He states in a text how “I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age” while he’s texting his alleged roommate lover who previously didn’t know about it. And he refers to the roommate as “my love” and talks about being able to come home soon after he grabs the rifle. Then adds “I am sorry to involve you.” He’s literally sharing this secret he hoped to take to the grave with someone who didn’t know about it and involving his roomate lover in doing so. Why? What was the purpose of alerting his roommate lover and ensnaring them in this crime? It’s kind of a horrible thing to do to someone one claims to love:
And as we can see from these earlier texts, Robinson had plans to drop the rifle off at a “drop point” and go back to pick it up later. He goes on to add how he just needs to pick up that rifle and no evidence will have been left behind, an utterly delusional statement given the range of cameras that picked up images of him that were broadcast across the world. Did he really think he could carry out that shooting without any sort of outfit to obscure his identity and he wouldn’t be caught on camera? This is a star student we’re talking about. He’s not stupid. And yet he seemed to be inexplicably stupid about his chances of pulling off this attack without getting caught. Or at least that’s the narrative put out with these texts:
And then we get to the texts were Robinson refers to changing outfits in a bush and worries about leaving prints and also explaining to his father the loss of the rifle. So he had the presences of mind to be worried about leaving prints but apparently didn’t have the presence of mind to wear gloves and not leave prints in the first place? Again, this star student seems inexplicably stupid:
Then we get to the texts where Robinson seems to be realizing he was caught. Specifically, authorities had released a photo of the rifle and now his dad, presumably very suspicious at this point, wants a photo of rifle to confirm that his son wasn’t the culprit. A photo that Robinson is not in a position to provide. He appears to have decided to turn himself in willingly at this point, referring to the fact that “one of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.” So he’s presumably making these texts after he’s spoken to his parents, although we can’t be sure since there were no timestamps provided. But the next text is the statement “you are all I worry about love”, followed by a plea to not talk to the media, make comments, or even talk to the police. That’s quite a list of requests from someone who just ruined his alleged lover’s life with these actions:
But the legal predicament he places his roommate in gets worse with a reference to “remember how I was engraving bullets?” So the roommate was apparently aware of of the bullet meme-engraving. AND THEN he asks his roommate lover to delete the exchange, something that would be a criminal act at that point. He just keeps ensnaring this alleged lover in a horrible legal predicament Twiggs seemingly had nothing to do with:
Next, we get to the remarkably vague alleged motive: “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” That was the apparent motivation for someone who, by all credible accounts, was almost entirely apolitical:
All in all, it’s quite a bizarre set of communications given the circumstances. So bizarre that even figures like Steve Bannon are decrying it all as hoax orchestrated by law enforcement. Bannon is even calling for an investigation of Governor Cox. So what does Bannon suspect Cox is covering up? Links to antifa. Yep, Bannon is suggesting the text messages are a hoax designed to OBSCURE Robinson’s alleged left-wing ties:
““I’m particularly not buying those text messages, it just seems too stilted, too much like a script—actually, like a bad script. So we gotta get to the bottom of it,” Bannon told his viewers on Tuesday.”
Steve Bannon has suspicions. But not suspicions of some sort of orchestrated psyop where a myth of a ‘trans shooter’ was concocted by the state to create a politically convenient narrative. No, no, Bannon suspects it’s a cover up, designed to obscure Robinson’s antifa ties. And maybe even ties to the Butler, PA, shooting:
Now, in fairness, Bannon does bring up a valid point: the texts really do demonstrate a shocking level of detachment from the gravity of what he just did. Robinson just assassinated a very high profile political figure but was worried about how upset his MAGA dad would be about a lost rifle. It really is a very bizarre thing for Robinson to be texting to his roommate at that point:
And then we get this remarkable suggestion: Bannon wants to see Governor Cox investigated for lying. So it appears Bannon thinks the Republican Utah Governor is making up a narrative to cover up Robinson’s ties to a broader violent antifa plot. That’s the narrative Bannon is going with at this point:
Now, let’s take a quick look at the following article that provides some additional details on Robinson’s interactions with his parents and the ultimate decision to turn himself in. Interestingly, it sounds like Robinson initially told his parents he would kill himself before turning himself in. But then his father convinced him to speak with a family friend who happened to be a retire deputy sheriff. We are told that it was that family friend who convinced Robinson to turn himself in:
“It was Robinson’s mother, after seeing the first images released by police of the suspect on television, who first expressed concern that her son might be the killer. When she raised it with her husband, they both agreed the images resembled their son. Robinson’s mother called him the day after the shooting and asked what he was doing, and Robinson told his mother that he was home, sick, and that he had also been home sick the day prior, on Sept. 10.”
As we can see, Robinson’s parents apparently recognized him immediately after authorities released the first photos. And then, after the release of a description of the rifle, his father asks for a photo of the rifle. Robinson doesn’t respond to the request but ends up talking to his parents and confessing. He suggests he’ll take his own life before turning himself. They then somehow convince Robinson to speak to the family friend who is a retired deputy sheriff, and we are told that is the person who convinced him to turn himself in:
Lastly, here’s a piece describing the arrangement police had to make to secure Robinson’s surrender. He was apparently very scared of being shot by the police and needed assurances the police would be peaceful:
““He didn’t want a big SWAT team at his parent’s house or his apartment,” Brooksby said. “He was truly fearful about being shot by law enforcement.””
It’s one more remarkable twist in this story: the guy was so terrified of being shot by the police he had his retired deputy sheriff family friend negotiate the surrender. It’s one more indication Robinson wasn’t committing an act of suicide. He apparently thought he could get away with it.
Or at least that’s the narrative we’ve been given. A narrative that leaves a vague rejection of Charlie Kirk’s ‘hatred’ as the sole motive driven a gunman who seemed to have no plausible political motive beyond his quasi-secret romantic relationship with a trans roommate. His “love” who Robinson happened to place in horrible legal jeopardy with one incriminating text after another.
And while Steve Bannon’s angst over the veracity of the investigation is a reflection of the tenuousness of the ‘left-wing motive’ narrative Governor Cox has been aggressively pushing, that clearly hasn’t stopped the Trump administration from turning this event into a pretext for a much broader domestic crackdown on his political enemies. In other words, Steve Bannon does indeed have plenty to worry about when it comes to the integrity of this investigation. But much less to worry about when it comes to the Trump administration’s predatory response. Which, of course, Steve Bannon knows well. Governor Cox isn’t the only one pushing politically convenient narratives. ‘It’s all a big meme’, as Robinson aptly put it to his roommate. Except he’s no longer the one crafting the big meme.
@Pterrafractyl–
This makes even less sense, the more one delves into it.
260 mile drive to get to the Charlie Kirk event? That drive should itself have produced a lot of data.
I have seen so many videos, many of which appear to be deepfakes and/or doctored, it is difficult to process them all.
I don’t think Tyler Robinson did this at all.
I think he is a “Digital Lee Harvey” Robinson.
Too many contradictions and too much weird-ass self incrimination.
What did the guy descending the stairs when Robinson was supposedly ascending say about his gait?
Now we are told he stashed the rifle in his pants.
Really? There is no rifle visible in the video allegedly of him jumping off the roof and proceeding off campus.
A guy is nonchalantly walking up a sidewalk nearby, this after a fatal shot has been fired and people are fleeing in panic.
Again, I have seen so many videos, adding up to Fresh Fertilizer.
I think the actual killer may very well have been on the jet that left Provo airport.
Now, BTW, we are hearing “It vas de Jews, Ja?”
We heard that after JFK was killed too.
And the Crooks shooting in Butler?
Pure B.S.
Keep up the great work!
Best,
Dave
It’s not the magic bullet. It’s the miracle bullet. Or, rather, the miracle body. That would be Charlie Kirk’s body, which was apparently so extra dense that it stopped the .30–06 bullet from even exiting Kirk’s body at all. That’s the remarkable anecdote that was recently shared by Andrew Kolvet, the producer of Kirk’s popular talk show. One of many remarkable details we are digesting with this case. Details that continue to confound, with one new wrinkle after another.
Yes, Miraculously stopped bullets are now part of this story. Kolvet described how surgeons at the hospital where Kirk was taken were surprised by the fact that this round didn’t exit Kirk, attributing it to the density of Kirk’s body. The bullet “should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too,” Kolvet claims he was told by a physician. Instead, it was found just beneath the skin. Kolvet says it should be seen as a miracle that the people behind Kirk weren’t killed too.
And then we get to the remarkable reason Kolvet gives for sharing this anecdote: to address the ‘online chatter’ about a lack of exit wound. Because it really is undeniably the case that round with that kind of firepower should have torn through Kirk’s body. The .30–06 round is used to hunt big game. It has devastating power up against a human body. How did it not slice through him? Either he was miraculously dense or the bullet kept ricocheting off bones in just the right way to expend all of that energy before coming to a stop. We don’t know what exactly caused the bullet to spare the people behind Kirk but there’s no arguing it was in improbable outcome given the circumstances. Tyler Robinson’s shot really should have been more lethal whether that was his intent or not.
We’ll see if Kolvet’s story silences the ‘online chatter’ about the lack of an exit wound but it’s hard to imagine an explanation that involves a miracle having the intended effect. And that growing online chatter brings us to another anomaly that has emerged as we’ve received more and more information about Robinson’s alleged actions and motive: it appears Robinson had ‘Plan A’ of ditching the rifle and then picking it up later but also a ‘Plan B’ of just leaving the rifle and hoping it wouldn’t be traced back to him. As we’re going to see, it would appear that ‘Plan A’ entailed getting away without leaving any evidence at all about the motive of the shooter. No meme-engraved bullet casings. Just shooting Kirk and disappearing. The meme-engraved casings were apparently only to be left behind in the event of the rifle being left behind. The memes were only involved with Plan B. How about that.
At least that’s what we sort of have to infer from the available information about what investigators have found. Because it turns out Robinson’s Mouser 98 — which was passed down to him from his grandfather — was old enough to pre-date the 1968 laws requiring rifles sold in the US to have serial numbers. Investigators suggest that it’s possible it never would have been traced back to him. As we saw in his alleged texts to his trans roommate lover Lance Twiggs, Robinson described the rifle as being unique and he fretted over explaining to his father how it was lost. But Robinson also seemed hopeful that the rifle wouldn’t be traced back to him if authorities found it. That appears to have been the case according to these reports.
So Robinson could have potentially gotten away with it even had that rifle been found. Which brings us to another detail we’ve learned: it turns out the bolt-action rifle hadn’t yet expelled the spent cartridge. It was still in the rifle when they found it. Meaning no meme-engraved cartridge was left at the alleged scene of the shooting. The memes were only found as a result of the rifle being left behind and found by authorities. That’s a remarkable detail in terms of the planning Robinson is supposed to have engaged in for this attack. Why use meme-engraved bullets but only accidentally leave them behind to be found. Because that’s what we are told happened. Robinson accidentally left the meme bullets. He wasn’t supposed to leave anything behind and we were supposed to be completely scratching our heads about the motive of the culprit. But then things didn’t go to plan and he accidentally leaves the meme bullets to be discovered. That’s the story we’ve gotten at this point. The kind of story that tends to generate plenty of ‘online chatter’.
Those were some of the updates we’ve received on the ongoing investigation. Updates guaranteed to inflame speculation. But it’s worth noting an update we haven’t received: an update on the outfit he allegedly wore during the attack. The black t‑shirt with the flag and pistol across the front and blue jeans that concealed the rifle as he made he limped his way towards the roof. There aren’t any reports on what happened to those. It’s notable in part because we are told DNA on the rifle matches that of Robinson. The clothes would have had plenty of his DNA too but those appear to have been successfully disposed of by Robinson.
It’s also rather notable that Robinson doesn’t appear to have taken the kind of measures that would prevent his DNA from showing up on a rifle that he otherwise assumed wouldn’t be traceable back to him. This isn’t the 1960s. DNA evidence in crimes is a very common and expected thing, with advances on that front to be expected too. For someone who claimed in the bizarre string of text to his alleged trans roommate lover that he had hopes of taking this crime to his death bed as an old man, leaving any DNA at all on that rifle was a massive oversight.
Also keep in mind that it’s probably extra risky for someone in a Mormon family to leave any DNA evidence behind at a crime scene they are planning on getting away with. Especially if they are hoping to take the secret to their death bed as an old man, decades from now. Because as stories like the unmasking of the Golden State Killer thanks to the help of GEDmatch, a personal genomics service that was used by a close enough relative of the killer to allow investigators to use the service to hone in on the killer, leaving DNA at a crime scene can lead to your identification even if you aren’t in any DNA databases thanks to all your cousins curious about the family tree. And Mormon families are known for a high interest in genealogy. So much so that Ancestry.com and the LDS Church worked out a deal that allows all LDS Church members to sign up for a free membership. When it comes to investigators using ancestry websites and genetics to triangulate and prune their suspect list, Tyler Robinson happens to hail from a highly triangulable demographic.
But investigators didn’t have to go down those kinds of investigative avenues thanks to the fact that Robinson did almost nothing to hide his face and was immediately recognized by his parents and friends when the photos were blasted out to world. It was a highly effective assassination from a lethality and social reaction standpoint. But it was weirdly hapless when it comes to being a plan that Robinson was going to get away with. He was almost guaranteed to get caught in this age of cameras everywhere. Nothing other than sunglasses to obscure his identity as he limped his way to the rooftop and then fired a shot and ran away. It’s remarkable how few camera angles we’ve seen at this point. His plan was madness from an operational security standpoint. But it sure got a reaction. A reaction that is being shaped and amplified by the increasingly bizarre narrative we are getting from an investigation being led/meddled with by an utterly discredited FBI in the midst of an institutional crisis of basic ethics and competence.
And let’s not forget one of the other major mysteries looming over this story: was it just a coincidence that a 16 year old high school student inspired by the same meme-driven nihilistic online communities that have been inspiring almost all of the school shooters of recent years began a school shooting attack on Evergreen High School in Denver at 12:24 pm, almost the exact same time as the 12:23 pm assassination of Kirk? Both attacks fueled by an online meme-driven zeitgeist. Was that just chance? More questions to add to all the ‘online chatter’ swirling around this story.
A story that makes less and less sense the more details we learn. Details like Robinson apparently trying to get away without leaving any evidence of a motive...unless he had to ditch the rifle in which case he wanted to leave all sorts of memes for investigators to focus on. The kind of details that make the most sense if Robinson left the memes as a form of misdirection:
“Cops found the weapon hours after the assassination — but it’s not clear whether they would have been able to trace it to Robinson had his family not pressured him into surrendering to cops.”
A potentially untraceable rifle from a time before serial numbers made mandatory after the Kennedy assassination. One of millions circulating in the US. That would ostensibly explain Robinson’s willingness to leave it behind:
And as we saw, Robinson’s texts to Twiggs indicated an assumption on his part that the rifle, while unique, was ultimately untraceable. An assumption that assumed Robinson’s DNA wasn’t in any DNA databases since DNA was apparently recovered from the rifle. Keep in mind that Mormon communities are notoriously big consumers of ancestry-related services including the new genetic-based services like Ancestry.com. In fact, members of the LDS Church can get a free account membership at Ancestry.com. And as we learned with the identification of the Golden State Killer thanks to the GEDmatch ancestry service, the more relatives you have on services like this, the more vulnerable you are to being found from DNA alone, whether you are personally in a DNA database or not. It would be interesting to know how many or Robinson’s relatives are on such services just to have a sense of how vulnerable he potentially was based on that evidence alone. But it’s also worth asking what happened to the ditched clothes. He apparently ditches the rifle AND changed closed in the woods. Where are the clothes? Because he would have presumably left ample DNA on clothes, wouldn’t he? How has there been no report on identified clothes? Did he ditch them somewhere else?
And that update on the details of whether or not the rifle could have been traced back to Robinson brings us to the following story that was published shortly after Kirk’s killing but contained a detail that has only grown more and more intriguing the more we’ve been told about Robinson’s alleged actions and motive: the shell case for the lone shot was left in the bolt-action rifle, mean no meme-engraved bullet was left at the scene of the shot. And that implies Robinson intended to leave no meme message for his ‘Plan A’ of getting away and picking up the rifle later. But he also had a Plan B of just leaving the rifle behind since he suspected it couldn’t be traced back to him. And he apparently decided to leave those four memes for authorities to find under Plan B. That’s quite the shift in public messaging for these two scenarios. Plan A was to leave the culprit a complete mystery, until he died an old man as Robinson allegedly told Twiggs in the texts. And then Plan B was to leave some sort of vague meme messages. Why go through the effort of engraving bullets with memes for your big assassination but only leave them to be found under a Plan B scenario? It’s a strange apparent contradiction for such a significant act. Were the memes intended to throw investigators off his trail? Or are we looking at a fabricated narrative that just wasn’t very well thought out:
“Three law-enforcement officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the recovered gun was an older-model Mauser rifle. Several cartridges, including a spent round in the rifle’s chamber, were also found, the officials said. World War II-era Mauser rifles, used by the German Army and imported to the United States in large numbers after the war, were chambered in 8 millimeter, a cartridge slightly larger that .30–06.”
A spent round was found in the rifle’s chamber, one of several found with the rifle. These are presumably the bullets with the meme-engraved casings. And since the spent round was found still in the chamber, that also presumably means there was no meme-engraved shell casing found at the location where Robinson allegedly fired the shot. So Robinson apparently decided to leave zero symbols at the scene of the crime, not even the casing for the one fired shot. But then he stashes the rifle in a wooded area, with plans of swinging back of picking it up later. Plans that went awry, resulting in the meme-covered bullets being discovered. It’s one more odd wrinkle in the narrative we’ve been getting about this story: we are being led to believe that Robinson’s Plan A didn’t involved leaving memes, but ditching the rifle for Plan B had four meme bullets he himself engraved:
And that self-contradictory bullet situation brings us to the following update on the forensic findings of the assassination: it turns out the reason no one sitting behind Kirk was hurt despite the .30–06 round being powerful enough to easily tear through a human body is because the bullet happened to be stopped. In fact, it was found just beneath Kirk’s skin, which is what there was no exit wound. That was the remarkable update we got from Andrew Kolvet, producer of Kirk’s talk show. The surgeons at the hospital expressed surprise the bullet didn’t go further but also noted the “density” of Kirk’s body. The bullet “should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too”, according to Kolvet. So Kirk was apparently so dense it stopped the kind of round that would normally slice through a person. Kolvet characterized it as a “miracle”, adding that he only shared the anecdote to address ‘online chatter’ about the lack of an exit wound. So attributing the bullet’s lack of an exit wound to a miracle is part of an effort to address skepticism over the story we’re getting:
“Kolvet said he had permission to share the information Saturday, the eve of Kirk’s memorial service in suburban Phoenix. He said he was responding to “online chatter” about the lack of an exit wound.”
The bullet miracle story is intended to address “online chatter” about the lack of an exit wound. Yes, Andrew Kolvet decided to share his bullet miracle story in order to quiet the skeptics. It probably wasn’t the best strategy:
We’ll see if this miracle story ends up quieting the critics of this narrative. Critics who have questions about a lot more than just the lack of an exit wound. It’s hard to imagine many will be persuaded. But who knows. Miracles happen, right?
@Pterrafractyl–
NO WAY re the bullet. A 30–06 round would have gone right through Kirk.
Whether it would have killed people behind him would depend on the angle from which the shot came.
I don’t buy any of this. All we know about “Lee Harvey” Robinson comes from texts and a letter, all of which could have been simulated.
Don’t lose sight of the fact that Dread Pirate Roberts was pardoned by Trump when he assumed power.
Roberts was offering online murder for hire, paid in cryptocurrency.
Big Balls has everybody’s data.
Com/MKY/764/Purgatory running amok.
Bomb threats, school shootings, other mass shootings–Yikes!
I think the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk was planned long ago, with the goal of precipitating what Alex Jones and others salivated over–starting a “war” against political opponents.
The casual behavior of pedestrians as “Lee Harvey” Robinson was allegedly running past (with a “rifle”?). People nearby were freaking out, a guy was mortally wounded by a loud gunshot and pedestrians seem uninterested in a black-clad guy with a “rifle,” climbing down off of a roof?!!
I would begin an investigation with Robinson’s family.
A second “Magic Bullet!”
Keep up the great work!
Best,
Dave