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“There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke . . . .” Zoom Discussion of Discordianism Featuring Recluse

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COMMENT: “There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke . . . .” Bob Dylan in his opus All Along the Watch­tow­er.

On Sun­day, 8/9, it was Dave’s plea­sure to host Recluse, set­ting forth Dis­cor­dian­ism, a rel­a­tivis­tic polit­i­cal phi­los­o­phy that over­laps the intel­li­gence com­mu­ni­ty, inter­na­tion­al fas­cism, an absur­dist aes­thet­ic and philo­soph­i­cal out­look.

Heav­i­ly over­lapped with the milieu sur­round­ing the assas­si­na­tion of Pres­i­dent Kennedy and cor­rupt­ing much of the research into that con­sum­mate­ly impor­tant event, Dis­cor­dian­ism might be seen as hav­ing spawned the rel­a­tivis­tic polit­i­cal and his­tor­i­cal per­spec­tive man­i­fest­ed in the Qanon meme.

Stem­ming from occult polit­i­cal and philo­soph­i­cal out­looks, Dis­cor­dian­ism was real­ized in con­sid­er­able mea­sure by Ker­ry Thorn­ley, a Marine Corps bud­dy of Lee Har­vey Oswald, an asso­ciate of the Guy Ban­is­ter milieu in New Orleans, net­worked with ele­ments of the Min­ute­men (a pow­er­ful mili­tia orga­ni­za­tion net­worked with ele­ments of the mil­i­tary and intel­li­gence com­mu­ni­ty), part of the milieu present at the Lake Pon­char­train train­ing camp out­side of New Orleans.

Among those help­ing to ele­vate Dis­cor­dian­ism was Robert Anton Wil­son, who ini­ti­at­ed Oper­a­tion Mind‑F***, which ele­vat­ed the mytho­log­i­cal Bavar­i­an Illu­mi­nati into pub­lic dis­course and con­scious­ness. Pur­pose­ful­ly pol­lut­ing the polit­i­cal milieu with dis­in­for­ma­tion he and his asso­ciates viewed as “amus­ing,” Wil­son, the late Paul Krass­ner and oth­ers in their orbit have left a lega­cy of dis­in­for­ma­tion, which has done much to cor­rupt and pol­lute the con­tem­po­rary polit­i­cal-intel­lec­tu­al land­scape.

Note that Mr. Emory misiden­ti­fied Jonathan Black­mer in the course of the talk.

NB: Recluse has writ­ten the first vol­ume of a forth­com­ing tril­o­gy about Dis­cor­dian­ism.

Key Points of Dis­cus­sion and Analy­sis Include: Robert Anton Wil­son, Thorn­ley and Paul Krassner’s delib­er­ate intel­lec­tu­al pos­tur­ing to pro­mote seri­ous ele­ments of research and analy­sis as rel­a­tivis­tic and/or ridicu­lous; The evi­dent suc­cess of Robert Anton Wilson’s ludi­crous pro­mo­tion of the Illu­mi­nati man­i­fest­ed on online mes­sage boards and chat groups; Discordianism’s intel­lec­tu­al soft-ped­al­ing of fas­cist ele­ments; Discordianism’s links to the intel­li­gence com­mu­ni­ty; Dis­cor­dian­ists’ intel­lec­tu­al clash­es with, and intel­lec­tu­al par­o­dy­ing of, Mr. Emory’s late, dear friend Mae Brus­sell; Discordianism’s net­work­ing with the Process Church; House Select Com­mit­tee on Assas­si­na­tions Assis­tant Coun­sel Jonathan Black­mer: “. . . . ‘We have rea­son to believe Shaw was heav­i­ly involved in the Anti-Cas­tro efforts in New Orleans in the 1960s and [was] pos­si­bly one of the high lev­el plan­ners or ‘cut out’ to the plan­ners of the assas­si­na­tion.’ . . . .”; ” . . . .  [CIA Direc­tor Richard] Helms want­ed the group to ‘con­sid­er the pos­si­ble impli­ca­tions for the Agency’ of what Gar­ri­son was doing in ‘New Orleans before, dur­ing, and after the tri­al of Clay Shaw.’. . . [CIA offi­cial Ray] Roc­ca then said some­thing quite omi­nous. He said that he felt ‘that Gar­ri­son would indeed obtain a con­vic­tion of Shaw for con­spir­ing to assas­si­nate Pres­i­dent Kennedy.’ This must have had some impact on the meet­ing. Since every­one must have known that Roc­ca had devel­oped, by far, the largest data­base on Gar­rison’s inquiry at CIA. . . .”; Thornley’s net­work­ing with Garrison’s polit­i­cal milieu; Robert Anton Wilson’s car­ry­ing of water for a Uni­fi­ca­tion Church pub­li­ca­tion; Discordianism’s obscur­ing of polit­i­cal truth, in all prob­a­bil­i­ty a spe­cif­ic goal of the ele­ments of the intel­li­gence com­mu­ni­ty who were net­worked with the milieu; Net­work­ing between Thorn­ley and a Mor­mon milieu; Net­work­ing between the Dis­cor­dian milieu and Michael Aquino.

 

Discussion

2 comments for ““There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke . . . .” Zoom Discussion of Discordianism Featuring Recluse”

  1. You might be inter­est­ed to know that acclaimed British doc­u­men­tary mak­er Adam Cur­tis made a film enti­tled ‘Can’t Get You Out Of My Head’ in 2017 where Thorn­ley fea­tures promi­nent­ly. Thorn­ley is pre­sent­ed as being an icon­o­clas­tic char­ac­ter who debunks con­spir­acists (like Jim Gar­ri­son of course) and Cur­tis seems to take the view that Oswald act­ed alone. Cur­tis had done good work ear­li­er in films like The Pow­er of Night­mares and The Cen­tu­ry of The Self but seems to real­ly ‘jump the shark’ here. One can only won­der if Cur­tis received encour­age­ment in this direc­tion by fun­ders and/or researchers. I found it dif­fi­cult to watch, but in light of the above it might be worth a look again.

    Posted by BRAD | August 11, 2026, 5:04 am
  2. Thanks so much for this com­ment!

    Nev­er heard of the film­mak­er, but Thorn­ley and his ilk were sacks of Fresh Fer­til­iz­er.

    Sounds like this bag got torn open and enriched some unfor­tu­nate seedlings.

    Best,

    Dave

    Posted by Dave Emory | August 11, 2026, 8:24 am

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