Lev­en­da’s lat­est work shows that Hitler is buried in Indone­sia, and that he became a con­vert to Islam. Eva Braun left Indone­sia to be present at her father’s death, per­ma­nent­ly leav­ing hitler with a new Indone­sian wife.

@Rick–

It would be inter­est­ing to see what Lev­en­da’s sources are. I’m not diss­ing what he wrote, but one must ALWAYS be aware of the delib­er­ate “badjacketting”/disinformation gam­bit I dis­cussed in con­nec­tion with the Cheryl Bor­mann post of sev­er­al days ago.

Does Lev­en­da cite sources?

I would not be sur­prised if the alle­ga­tions are true. Hitler can be cred­i­bly said to have endorsed Islam, express­ing the view that it would have been bet­ter if Charles Martel’s forces had been defeat­ed at the Bat­tle of Tours.

Hitler felt that after the Islamiza­tion of Europe, the Mus­lims would have died off because of the harsh cli­mate.

This then would have left Europe/Germany with the Mus­lim views of Jews and Chris­tians, women, gays, the insti­tu­tion­al­iza­tion of great wealth, a reli­gious com­mit­ment to war against the unworthy/unbelieving.

Again, I don’t diss what Lev­en­da is say­ing. There is rea­son to be intrigued.

But Caveat Emp­tor!

Best,

D

Greet­ings!

Just a note on sources: pret­ty much every­thing I write is based on pri­ma­ry and sol­id sec­ondary sources, which are always iden­ti­fied and foot­not­ed. That was as true of Unholy Alliance as it is of Rat­line. In Rat­line, my research took me to Indone­sia to do the field­work. Like most peo­ple, I was not pre­pared to believe for a moment that Hitler sur­vived the war. It was only when con­front­ed by tex­tu­al evi­dence did I have to read­just my think­ing (well, that and the fact that the skull the Rus­sians claimed was Hitler’s turned out not to be!). You may dis­agree about how I inter­pret the evi­dence, of course. What I do believe at this point is that (a) Hitler did not die as we were told he died, the foren­sics sim­ply don’t back it up, and (b) it is well-doc­u­ment­ed (but lit­tle known) that Indone­sia was the site of the only real Nazi Par­ty in all of Asia, formed in the years just after the Beer Hall Putsch by Hitler’s friend Wal­ter Hewel who lived in Indone­sia for ten years before his recall to the Reich. This laid the ground­work for a leg of the rat­lines no one knew exist­ed before: the Asian con­nec­tion.

As for Hitler in Indone­sia, I pro­vide data, pho­tographs, and eye­wit­ness tes­ti­mo­ny.

Many thanks for this oppor­tu­ni­ty to clar­i­fy my approach!

Peter Lev­en­da

@Peter Lev­en­da–

Wel­come to the web­site and thanks for all your efforts.

My obser­va­tions were not meant to cast asper­sions on your work. I’m ad admir­er and have done quite a bit of work on “Unholy Alliance.”

Rather, the post­war Nazi Under­ground excels at plant­i­ng dis­in­for­ma­tion in order to cov­er the tracks of sup­pos­ed­ly dead Nazi lumi­nar­ies who escaped.

In Mis­cel­la­neous Archve Show M57, “The Flight of the Wolf”, I dis­cussed Gestapo Chief Hein­rich Muller’s pre­sen­ta­tion while being debriefed by U.S. intel­li­gence agents.

(Mueller him­self sup­pos­ed­ly died at the end of the war, but when the grave was opened, it con­tained three skele­tons, none of which were Mueller’s.)

In that pre­sen­ta­tion, unearthed by “Lon­don Times” jour­nal­ist, Mueller dis­cussed how he engi­neered the escape of Hitler.

The descrip­tion of the show: “Doc­u­ments Adolf Hitler’s escape from Ger­many at the end of World War II, using infor­ma­tion con­tained in pre­vi­ously clas­si­fied U.S. intel­li­gence archives, accessed by a Lon­don Times jour­nal­ist and dis­cussed in a mil­i­tary his­tory quar­terly. The sto­ry was revealed to U.S. intel­li­gence oper­a­tives dur­ing their debrief­ing of for­mer Gestapo chief Hein­rich Mueller, pri­or to his going to work for U.S. intel­li­gence in an anti-com­mu­nist capac­ity.

Con­fi­dent that his sit­u­a­tion with his U.S. spon­sors was secure, Mueller dis­closed that Hitler escaped to Spain after the war and that his place in the bunker (and the grave) was tak­en by a dou­ble, a dis­tant blood rel­a­tive of the Fuehrer. Mueller’s alleged death at the war’s end has also been effec­tively debunked.”

Best,

Dave Emory

@Peter, Dave
While we have two author­i­ta­tive voic­es on the sub­ject here, does any­one have any insight on why the Sovi­ets would col­lude in the mas­sive dis­in­for­ma­tion effort regard­ing the sur­vival of high-lev­el Nazis and their pro­tec­tion by, or inclu­sion into, West­ern intel­li­gence agen­cies? Does that fact lend plau­si­bil­i­ty to some of the more bizarre the­o­ries that the Sovi­et lead­er­ship, at some lev­el, was con­scious­ly par­tic­i­pat­ing in a decades long planned dialec­tic with the West? I’d much pre­fer a more mun­dane expla­na­tion.

Greet­ings.

Dave: I am aware of the con­tro­ver­sy sur­round­ing the Mueller mate­r­i­al, and due to the fact that none of the doc­u­ments I pos­sess could indi­cate that he did, indeed, escape at war’s end, I decid­ed not to bring it up in Rat­line (my Hitler sto­ry being con­tro­ver­sial enough!). There have been accu­sa­tions of fraud in some of the Mueller doc­u­men­ta­tion as I recall, but that does not mean that they are, in fact, fraud­u­lent. It’s an open ques­tion as far as I am con­cerned.

Dwight: if the Sovi­ets did col­lude in the dis­in­for­ma­tion effort it would have been to place dou­ble agents with­in West­ern intel­li­gence ser­vices. As we know now, the Gehlen Org was noto­ri­ous­ly pen­e­trat­ed by the KGB. In addi­tion, the Paper­clip sci­en­tists were known to have been in con­tact with their for­mer col­leagues behind the Iron Cur­tain, in some cas­es send­ing clas­si­fied research their way through the mail.

The Sovi­ets could have screamed about Hitler’s sur­vival on the one hand, and then at the same time use the Nazis they had turned as fur­ther chan­nels of dis­in­for­ma­tion against the West.

It’s text­book trade­craft, I think. On the one hand, SMERSH was insist­ing to Stal­in that they had Hitler’s body. On the oth­er hand, Stal­in was telling the West that they had Hitler. MI6 was telling every­one that Hitler had died in the bunker, a sui­cide. Oper­a­tion Myth met Oper­a­tion Nurs­ery. These cyn­i­cal oper­a­tional names pret­ty much give the game away.

@Peter Lev­en­da–

Again, very glad to see you using this web­site.

The dis­in­for­ma­tion fac­tor was one of Mueller’s trade­marks. Cer­tain­ly, the “body­guard of lies” sur­round­ing any impor­tant truth did not orig­i­nate with Mueller, but he was a mas­ter.

I strong­ly encour­age you to avail your­self of some of the books avail­able for down­load for free in the “Books” cat­e­go­ry, in par­tic­u­lar “Mar­tin Bor­mann: Nazi in Exile,” by Paul Man­ning.

Also, FTR #305, is an encap­su­la­tion of “Mar­tin Bor­mann: Nazi in Exile.” “About Paul Man­ning” is a worth­while syn­op­sis of Man­ning’s career.

FTR #145 con­sists of some of Man­ning’s cor­re­spon­dence with col­leagues.

FTR #‘s 152, 155 high­light some of Man­ning’s research on the Bormann/Mueller milieu, devel­oped after the pub­li­ca­tion of his Bor­mann text.

FTR #604 dis­cuss­es Man­ning’s account of Mueller’s dis­in­for­ma­tion effort vis a vis Bor­mann.

FTR #134 recaps some of the Mueller dis­in­for­ma­tion suc­cess­ful­ly direct­ed at Ladis­las Fara­go, cou­pled with your infor­ma­tion from “Unholy Alliance” about the repug­nant Ger­ald Pos­ner’s res­o­nance of Mueller’s efforts against Fara­go.

I also rec­om­mend “The New Ger­many and the Old Nazis” by T.H. Tetens, as well as “The Nazis Go Under­ground” by Kurt Reiss, pub­lished before D‑Day.

“All Hon­or­able Men” places the Nazi recrude­s­cence at war’s end with­in the transna­tion­al cor­po­rate con­text.

Obvi­ous­ly, I think all of the books are worth­while, or I would­n’t have made them avail­able, but the above-men­tioned works are par­tic­u­lar­ly rel­e­vant to the daunt­ing task of sleuthing out the where­abouts of promi­nent Third Reich alum­ni.

I, too, have devel­oped some doubts about the Mueller/Hitler Escape mate­r­i­al I accessed in the ear­ly ’90’s via M57. I can’t say that it’s wrong, just that I’ve devel­oped some doubts.

In the end, I think one is left with rely­ing on cred­i­ble doc­u­men­ta­tion and sources one views as cred­i­ble.

Hav­ing got­ten to know the Man­ning fam­i­ly, I have a high regard for Paul’s research. He under­took it at the urg­ing of his col­league and men­tor Edward R. Mur­row. His work was under­writ­ten by CBS News, which would not go with the sto­ry in the end. No sur­prise there.

I view the Murrow/Manning jour­nal­is­tic engine as alto­geth­er cred­i­ble.

I have also been fas­ci­nat­ed by the late Frank Wis­ner’s obses­sion with Bor­mann in the after­math of JFK’s assas­si­na­tion and the run-up to Wis­ner’s own alleged sui­cide.

(Nat­u­ral­ly, Wis­ner’s Bor­mann fas­ci­na­tion was dis­missed as men­tal ill­ness. His shot­gun “sui­cide” may have been just that, but a well-known CIA assas­si­na­tion gam­bit involves dis­patch­ing a tar­get with a small-cal­iber weapon fired into the back of the head, after which a shot­gun is placed in the vic­tim’s mouth/face and fired, there­by oblit­er­at­ing the fatal wound. Wis­ner’s was a “shotgun/kiss” death.

After the JFK hit, Wis­ner was known to be obsessed with “the sin­is­ter and mys­te­ri­ous Mar­tin Bor­mann” and was call­ing for us to “pool our resources and get Bor­mann.”

What MAY have put him on to this was the col­laps­ing of the stock mar­ket and the com­modi­ties mar­ket on the morn­ing of 11/22/1963.

That was accom­plished by the Tino De Angelis/Bunge Cor­po­ra­tion gam­bit involv­ing Ger­man-con­nect­ed inter­ests in Argenti­na.

(See FTR #327 and the book “Were We Con­trolled?)

What I find most inter­est­ing and sig­nif­i­cant about this is that Wis­ner was a part­ner in Carter, Led­yard and Mill­burn, the gen­er­al coun­sel for the New York Stock Exchange, at the time and, per­haps still.

At one point two Deputy Direc­tors of Cen­tral Intel­li­gence were C,L,M partners–Wisner and Hard­ing Jack­son.

There are plen­ty of peo­ple like Frank Wis­ner who would not hes­i­tate to use Nazis in our intel­li­gence appa­ra­tus but who would be appalled at a vio­la­tion of the NYSE.

I don’t think the Wis­ners and the Dulle­ses ever fig­ured the Boys from Berlin could out­smart them. Talk about hubris!

Again, I’m very curi­ous about the Tino De Ange­lis gam­bit and Wis­ner’s obses­sion.

Thanks again for your inter­est,

Dave Emory

One quick com­ment: I am very famil­iar with the Man­ning mate­r­i­al and cit­ed it in my own Rat­line. I talk about Paul Man­ning on a few of the radio and pod­cast inter­views I have been on in the past few weeks. I respect his work a great deal.

And it is a plea­sure to be con­tribut­ing to this site!

Thanks,

Peter L.

@Peter Lev­en­da-

Let me extend Dav­e’s greet­ings and wel­come for join­ing our small group of thinkers. This com­mu­ni­ty is small in num­ber but very large and impor­tant for the qual­i­ty of the con­tri­bu­tions and sug­ges­tions listeners/readers input into it. Your work is obvi­ous­ly very impor­tant and of excel­lent qual­i­ty.

I have to say how­ev­er that I tend to agree with Dave on the abil­i­ty of the Bor­mann net­work to dis­sem­i­nate dis­in­for­ma­tion to throw peo­ple off. The log­i­cal thing for a flee­ing Hitler would have been to go to Argenti­na via Spain. Per­on’s regime had been friend­ly to nazism for years and Fran­co’s made it easy for peo­ple of that sort too. That would have been the most log­i­cal thing to do and the eas­i­est. Could Hitler have cho­sen anoth­er route and des­ti­na­tion? Pos­si­bly, but log­ic sug­gests he chose the sim­plest and most effec­tive ones in a time of war when his head had a high price, and in this case, Spain and Argenti­na were. But of course, as you sug­gest, your trail of enquiry could very well be the real stuff. Who knows.

Best.

Just an aside; I don’t ques­tion the idea that Hitler would have fled to Argenti­na first. My book makes that point. What I sug­gest is that Latin Amer­i­ca proved too hot. Hitler could not trust his gen­er­als. He could not trust some of those who had been around him since the ear­ly days, men who were mak­ing their over­tures to the West. I believe that Hitler would not have stayed in Argenti­na for very long but would have looked for a place from which extra­di­tion — legal or ille­gal — would have been next to impos­si­ble. Hence, the Asian sce­nario. His close friend, Wal­ter Hewel — “Surabaya Wal­ly” to his friends — had estab­lished a Nazi Par­ty orga­ni­za­tion through­out Indone­sia in the 1920s, after he had spent time with Hitler in Lands­berg Prison after the Beer Hall Putsch. He was then one of the last peo­ple to leave the bunker at the end. There is a lot more to this sto­ry, that I set out in detail in my book where you will find a lot of cor­rob­o­rat­ing evi­dence to show that the Nazis were very aware of Indone­sia and its impor­tance as a pos­si­ble escape route. (No, I am not plug­ging the book! Just point­ing out that my sug­ges­tion of an Indone­sia sce­nario is based on evi­dence I would have nev­er believed exist­ed only five years ago, but which I have reluc­tant­ly come to accept as a dis­tinct pos­si­bil­i­ty today.)_

Many thanks!

Some of this sol­id research must be threat­en­ing some­body. Two moron­ic movies have been released in the last year. Nazis In The Cen­ter Of The Earth and Iron Sky, both pos­si­bly as attempts at mar­gin­al­iz­ing this mate­r­i­al which is gain­ing ground. Next — a JFK assas­si­na­tion col­or­ing book? As Mae said — these are tacky peo­ple.

@Peter Lev­en­da:

Thank you for these pre­ci­sions. This line of enquiry makes your book some­thing not to miss and your research even more com­pelling. I will get it. It’s intrigu­ing. I will keep vis­it­ing your web­site too. It’s very nice of you to reach out to us with your research.

Keep on the good work!

[...] of Peter Lev­en­da. This researcher has explored a not-too-famil­iar line of enquiry, that is the occult foun­da­tions on which Nazism was based or dri­ven from, pre­sent­ed and explained in his book Unholy Alliance: [...]

Inter­est­ing stuff. I actu­al­ly found out about Man­ning through Ratlines....FTR #155 about the lat­er work of Paul Man­ning is very inter­est­ing, regard­ing nuclear pow­er in Argenti­na and Ger­many. Sur­pris­ing­ly, accord­ing to Wiki one of Argenti­na’s core nuclear research insti­tutes is in Bar­iloche, and Bar­iloche also coin­ci­den­tal­ly hosts “INVAP S.E.”, a com­pa­ny that Wikipedia says ” is the only com­pa­ny in Latin Amer­i­ca cer­ti­fied by NASA (the US (Nation­al) Aero­nau­tics and Space Admin­is­tra­tion) to sup­ply space tech­nolo­gies.” It makes satel­lites and oth­er space gear.

Also, it makes nuclear reac­tors, and is relat­ed to a com­pa­ny named “ENSI” or “NSIS”, which pro­duces heavy water for the world mar­ket, made in Argenti­na http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENSI

@Jean–

That sec­tion of Argenti­na is noto­ri­ous as a Nazi haven as well.

At your ear­li­est con­ve­nience, check out FTR #152, which has mate­r­i­al from Man­ning not includ­ed in the Mar­tin Bor­mann book.

While in Libya, he actu­al­ly ran into Hein­rich Muller, face-to-face and prompt­ly changed his air­plane tick­et reser­va­tions and left the coun­try!

Best,

Dave