FTR#‘s 1391, 1392, 1393: Interview with Tom O’Neill (Author of “Chaos”) and Hal Sanderson, Parts 1, 2 and 3

Intro­duc­tion: These pro­grams are excerpt­ed from an inter­view on Dav­e’s Patre­on plat­form on June 18, 2025. In addi­tion to Tom O’Neill, the bril­liant author of Chaos, the pro­grams fea­ture the inci­sive com­men­tary of Hal Sander­son, a bril­liant researcher in his own right. These pro­grams sup­ple­ment Dav­e’s pre­vi­ous pro­grams on Chaos. FTR#1085, FTR#1163, FTR# ‘s 1164 and 1165

FTR#‘s 1388, 1389 and 1390 The Future: Technology Theocracy and The Thousand-Year Reich, Parts 1, 2 and 3

First, the dis­cus­sion focus­es on the con­flict between cor­po­rate prof­its and both sub­stan­tial wages and ben­e­fits and strong envi­ron­men­tal pro­tec­tion pol­i­cy. This con­flict results in an ele­ment of cog­ni­tive dis­so­nance on the part of most peo­ple (who must work for a liv­ing.) In order to max­i­mize prof­it, dis­com­fort must be cor­re­spond­ing­ly max­i­mized as well.

Human behav­ior is dic­tat­ed large­ly by two prin­ci­ples that psy­chol­o­gists call the plea­sure prin­ci­ple and the real­i­ty prin­ci­ple. In a nut­shell: peo­ple do what makes them feel good. When they feel bad, they must alter their envi­ron­ment in such a way as to remove the dis­com­fort. They can either change their exter­nal envi­ron­ment or their inter­nal envi­ron­ment. Polit­i­cal action, labor and envi­ron­men­tal orga­niz­ing would cer­tain­ly bring change that would relieve social and envi­ron­men­tal dis­tress. That is not as prof­itable as hold­ing down wages and prof­its. Prof­its can be max­i­mized if peo­ple can be made to alter their inter­nal envi­ron­ment in such a way as to endure or even enjoy dis­com­fort (what Mr. Emory refers to as learn­ing “to enjoy sit­ting on a tack.”)

There are a vari­ety of ways of get­ting peo­ple to attempt this. If they are ine­bri­at­ed on drugs or alco­hol, their pain will be atten­u­at­ed (at least tem­porar­i­ly) and their will to resist blunt­ed. In this con­text, opi­um would be “the reli­gion of the peo­ple.” The real thing might be even bet­ter.

The analy­sis cen­ters on a soci­ety in which peo­ple would be made into “true believ­ers,” through a com­bi­na­tion of total­i­tar­i­an polit­i­cal con­trol and tech­no­log­i­cal­ly-rein­forced fun­da­men­tal­ist reli­gion. Denom­i­na­tion­al affil­i­a­tion of sub­ject nations and indi­vid­u­als may well remain diverse, but the foun­da­tion and source of polit­i­cal pow­er would be tremen­dous­ly pow­er­ful, tech­no­log­i­cal­ly sophis­ti­cat­ed mil­i­tary weapons of mass destruc­tion. Most impor­tant­ly, the very exis­tence of these weapons would be unknown to the vast major­i­ty of peo­ple. An admin­is­tra­tive elite would exer­cise polit­i­cal pow­er. This elite would be reli­gious, polit­i­cal and mil­i­tary in nature — Mr. Emory char­ac­ter­izes them as “priest-spies.” They would have at least lim­it­ed knowl­edge of the pre­vail­ing mil­i­tary tech­nol­o­gy, as well as advanced tac­ti­cal knowl­edge of its appli­ca­tion.

Their “parish­ioners,” on the oth­er hand, would see (and would be encour­aged and oblig­at­ed to see) the dev­as­tat­ing appli­ca­tion of the destruc­tive tech­nol­o­gy as “mir­a­cles.” Groups or indi­vid­u­als who devi­at­ed from the pre­scribed path would be pun­ished with the tech­nol­o­gy and this, again, would be seen by a naive pop­u­lace as ret­ri­bu­tion by some super­nat­ur­al enti­ty. (It should be not­ed that New Age reli­gions are by no means immune to this kind of exploita­tion and seduc­tion by fas­cist ele­ments.)

Weapons tech­nol­o­gy that might be involved would include genet­i­cal­ly-engi­neered micro-organ­isms (“the plagues of Egypt”), Tes­la tech­nol­o­gy to cause earth­quakes or alter the weath­er (“God’s pun­ish­ment on the wicked”), long dis­tance mind-con­trol tech­niques involv­ing elec­tro­mag­net­ic radi­a­tion (“the Voice of the Lord”). (Note: this lec­ture was giv­en before infor­ma­tion about Project HAARP became pub­lic.) In L‑1 evi­dence is pre­sent­ed that so-called “fly­ing saucers” are real and do not come from out­er space. They are advanced aero­nau­ti­cal devices, whose devel­op­ment began with pro­to­types flown by the Ger­mans dur­ing the clos­ing stages of World War II. They were fur­ther devel­oped by the West­ern Allies in the years after the war. There is also sub­stan­tial evi­dence of attempts by ele­ments of the intel­li­gence com­mu­ni­ty to cre­ate belief in space aliens. With this in mind, Mr. Emory dis­cuss­es the pos­si­ble uses of “UFOs” and “aliens” in the fas­cist tech­no-theoc­ra­cy described above.
From FTR#913:

JFK and the Unspeak­able: Why He Died and Why It Mat­ters by James W. Dou­glass; Touch­stone Books [SC]; Copy­right 2008 by James W. Dou­glas; ISBN 978–1‑4391–9388‑4; p. 301.

 . . . . On his new assign­ment, Vin­son would soon learn that the CIA’s projects out of Site 51 includ­ed exper­i­men­tal air­craft shaped like saucers. The same was true at the CIA’s oth­er base at Roswell, New Mex­i­co, where the C‑54 car­ry­ing the sec­ond Oswald had land­ed. Both Site 51 and Roswell were home to “fly­ing saucers” that peo­ple saw peri­od­i­cal­ly in the area. They in fact came not from out­er space but from the CIA, which encour­aged the fly­ing saucer reports

FTR#‘s 1385, 1386, 1387: The UFO Phenomenon and the “ET” Myth, Parts 1, 2 and 3

Intro­duc­tion: Sup­ple­ment­ing dis­cus­sion in the Joshua Halde­man Files, these pro­grams present a lec­ture record­ed on Octo­ber 30, 1992.
From FTR#913:

JFK and the Unspeak­able: Why He Died and Why It Mat­ters by James W. Dou­glass; Touch­stone Books [SC]; Copy­right 2008 by James W. Dou­glas; ISBN 978–1‑4391–9388‑4; p. 301.

 . . . . On his new assign­ment, Vin­son would soon learn that the CIA’s projects out of Site 51 includ­ed exper­i­men­tal air­craft shaped like saucers. The same was true at the CIA’s oth­er base at Roswell, New Mex­i­co, where the C‑54 car­ry­ing the sec­ond Oswald had land­ed. Both Site 51 and Roswell were home to “fly­ing saucers” that peo­ple saw peri­od­i­cal­ly in the area. They in fact came not from out­er space but from the CIA, which encour­aged the fly­ing saucer reports

FTR#1384 The Joshua Haldeman, Part 4

Intro­duc­tion: Although not about Josua Halde­man (Musk’s grand­fa­ther), per se, this pro­gram flesh­es out how main­stream media out­lets are sourc­ing some of the most out­landish b.s. about space aliens hav­ing vis­it­ed us, yad­da yad­da yad­da.

This mate­r­i­al is to be con­sid­ered against the back­ground of Halde­man, the search for “ancient civ­i­liza­tions,” Apartheid South Africa as a direct exten­sion of the NSDAP (the Nazi par­ty under Hitler) and the prep­ping of the pub­lic for “ET Con­tact” b.s.

Pro­gram High­lights Include: Review of “The Nine;” Review of Joshua Halde­man’s “Lost Civilization/White Suprema­cist” ide­ol­o­gy; The fact that all of this orig­i­nates with the tabloid The Week­ly World News!

Links: Spit­fire List | FTR-68 The Aliens Are STILL Not Among Us; Spit­fire List | FTR #167 No, the Aliens STILL Aren’t Among Us!; Spit­fire List | FTR #178 That’s Right, the Aliens Are STILL not Among Us; Spit­fire List | FTR #588 The Aliens Are Com­ing, The Aliens Are Coming—Not’; Spit­fire List | FTR #639 The Aliens Are Com­ing! The Aliens Are Com­ing: NOT! (Part II).

Important Discussion with the Brilliant Tom O’Neill

Dav­e’s Patre­on plat­form fea­tures a long dis­cus­sion with Tom O’Neill, the author of “Chaos,” one of the most impor­tant books ever writ­ten. Bar­ring a sea change, Tom’s book is the epi­taph for the Unit­ed States and our civ­i­liza­tion. As peo­ple with an oblig­a­tion to our descen­dants, we have the respon­si­bil­i­ty to pre­serve a record of the events lead­ing to the col­lapse of our social and polit­i­cal milieu. There is no bet­ter way of ful­fill­ing that oblig­a­tion than by obtain­ing the lat­est flash dri­ve, con­tain­ing all of Dav­e’s 45+ years on the air and a library of old anti-fas­cist books. WFMU-FM is pod­cast­ing For The Record–You can sub­scribe to the pod­cast HERE.

FTR#1321 The Assassination of John Lennon

Intro­duc­tion: As the title sug­gests, this pro­gram sets forth facts about John Lennon’s mur­der.

Key Points of Dis­cus­sion of Lennon’s Killing Include: The fact that the bul­lets that killed Lennon entered from his left side, where­as pat­sy Mark David Chap­man was on Lennon’s right; The door­man at Lennon’s res­i­dence, who was stand­ing on Lennon’s left was José San­jenís Per­do­mo, a “for­mer” oper­a­tive for the CIA; Per­do­mo’s back­ground in the CIA’s Bay of Pigs oper­a­tion and pri­or ser­vice as a chief of police in pre-Cas­tro Cuba; Per­do­mo’s alleged links to Water­gate bur­glar and JFK assas­si­na­tion par­tic­i­pant Frank Stur­gis; Per­do­mo’s six-hours of con­ver­sa­tion with Chap­man pri­or Lennon’s return from the record­ing stu­dio; an eye­wit­ness’s alle­ga­tion that Per­do­mo did the shoot­ing; Per­do­mo’s seiz­ing of the alleged mur­der weapon, which was not test­ed for fin­ger­prints; Chap­man’s par­tic­i­pa­tion in a music club in Hawaii, to which Amer­i­can Nazi, Rea­gan shoot­ing pat­sy and Bush asso­ciate John Hinck­ley, Jr. also belonged; The extreme­ly unlike­ly pos­si­bil­i­ty that Chap­man could have per­formed the marks­man­ship required to kill Lennon; The pos­si­bil­i­ty that Chap­man may have been a mind-con­trolled pat­sy; Chap­man’s prison vis­its by MKULTRA asso­ciates Bernard Dia­mond and Nathan Kline; Yoko Ono’s cre­ma­tion of Lennon’s corpse with­in 36 hours of the killing; Ono’s strong links to the Yasu­da Zaibat­su; Ono’s par­tic­i­pa­tion in the recon­se­cra­tion of a Japan­ese Shin­to tem­ple, destroyed in the after­math of the attack on Pearl Har­bor; Ono’s asso­ci­a­tion with an antique deal­er and alleged CIA con­tract agent.

FTR#‘s 1314 & 1315 “Injun’ Country”: The Mohawk Mothers’ Trail of Tears Parts 1 and 2

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FTR#‘s 1309 and 1310 Deep Politics and the Death of Iris Chang, Parts 3 and 4

These broad­casts sup­ple­ment FTR#‘s 509, 1107 and 1108.

Sig­nif­i­cant sec­tions of the lat­ter two broad­casts are recapped in these pro­grams and this descrip­tion.

Key Points of Dis­cus­sion and Analy­sis Include:

1.–Iris Chang’s moth­er, Ying-Ying Chang, could not rule out the “dark con­spir­a­cy” that Iris was fac­ing. Ying-Ying’s point of view was shaped, in part, by Steven Clemons’ obser­va­tions.
2.–In an appen­dix titled “Requiem for Iris Chang,” Steven Clemons not­ed the alleged “sui­cide” of his asso­ciate Juzo Ita­mi, who was bat­tling the same forces as Iris Chang. “I have nev­er bought the sto­ry about Juzo Ita­mi, who was at war in his films with the Japan­ese right-wing crowd and yakuza.”
3.–Iris’ best-known work, “The Rape of Nanking”, inspired a con­gres­sion­al res­o­lu­tion sup­port­ing Japan­ese com­pen­sa­tion for those who had been com­pelled to labor as slaves and slave pros­ti­tutes or “com­fort women.”
4.–Iris was work­ing on a book and doc­u­men­tary film project about the sur­vivors of the Bataan Death March. Some of those vet­er­ans had been used as slave labor­ers by Japan­ese cor­po­ra­tions dur­ing the war. The Bataan Death March vet­er­ans were among those who sued the Japan­ese cor­po­ra­tions that had enslaved them.
5.–The pre­sid­ing judge ruled against the vet­er­ans and for the Japan­ese cor­po­ra­tions. On the day of Iris’ “sui­cide” Gov­er­nor Arnold Schwarzeneg­ger was meet­ing with Japan­ese busi­ness­men to pro­mote Cal­i­for­nia-Japan­ese trade.
6.–In ear­ly Sep­tem­ber of 2001, Iris spoke at a con­fer­ence assem­bled to protest the cel­e­bra­tion of the 50th anniver­sary of the U.S./Japanese treaty of 1951 (nego­ti­at­ed by John Fos­ter Dulles). Iris called “the San Fran­cis­co Peace Treaty a trav­es­ty of jus­tice, a betray­al of our own Amer­i­can vet­er­ans.” Recall the con­gres­sion­al res­o­lu­tion passed in the after­math of, and because of The Rape of Nanking.
7.–After watch­ing a spir­it­ed dis­cus­sion between Iris and the Japan­ese ambas­sador to the U.S., a friend of Iris’ father advised her to hire a body­guard.
8.–As will be not­ed at greater length below, Iris was very crit­i­cal of the George W. Bush admin­is­tra­tion and had writ­ten sev­er­al arti­cles crit­i­cal of his poli­cies.
9.–Iris was very crit­i­cal of the George W. Bush admin­is­tra­tion, and had tak­en stances against many fea­tures of his for­eign pol­i­cy, Bush’s inva­sion of Iraq in par­tic­u­lar. Iris had long opposed all forms of racism in this coun­try.
10.–Sadly, many of those close to Iris dis­missed her fears con­cern­ing the government’s tar­get­ing of her and the over­lap­ping ide­o­log­i­cal ani­mos­i­ty and tar­get­ing of her by the Japan­ese right-wing. The his­tor­i­cal and oper­a­tional over­lap between the two is fun­da­men­tal and is explored in some of the mate­r­i­al below.
11.–When she trav­eled to Louisville, Ken­tucky to inter­view sur­vivors of the Bataan Death March, she felt she was under phys­i­cal sur­veil­lance and harass­ment. We note below that Ken­tucky was a place where Bush con­fi­dant William Stamps Far­ish III had pow­er­ful con­nec­tions.
12.–During her book tour for The Rape of Nanking, Iris was approached by some­one she felt was recruit­ing her. He said “You will be safer to join us.” Was this and attempt at recruit­ment by the CIA?
13.–We repeat the infor­ma­tion in #11, for pur­pos­es of empha­sis.
14.–Iris was con­vinced to her dying day that she was the focal point of hos­til­i­ty from the Bush admin­is­tra­tion. A remake of the movie The Manchuri­an Can­di­date height­ened her anx­i­ety. Her arti­cles crit­i­cal of the Bush admin­is­tra­tion and, as we have and shall see, the over­lap­ping dynam­ics of her work on The Rape of Nanking and Gold War­riors fur­ther deep­ened her per­il. She first pur­chased a firearm for pro­tec­tion and was hop­ing that John Ker­ry would defeat Bush in 2004.
15.–Despite the fact that Iris’ corpse was found in her car in the ear­ly morn­ing, her par­ents weren’t noti­fied of her death until almost mid­night. Why?
16.–Iris’ corpse was dis­cov­ered ear­ly in the morn­ing with her head against the driver’s side win­dow, her hands crossed in her lap and the gun on her left leg. While not phys­i­cal­ly impos­si­ble, this is alto­geth­er unlike­ly for some­one who had alleged­ly com­mit­ted sui­cide by fir­ing a pow­er­ful hand gun into her mouth. She felt that her prob­lems were “exter­nal,” while those around her thought they were “inter­nal,” i.e. “all in her head.”
17.–Same as 16.
18.–Iris’ ordeal was remark­ably sim­i­lar to what Rita Katz endured fol­low­ing her work on Oper­a­tion Green Quest and the SAAR inves­ti­ga­tion.
19.–George W. Bush was pur­su­ing Philip­pine Gold­en Lily loot in order to increase U.S. gold reserves and, per­haps more impor­tant­ly, to for­ti­fy his blind trust. That trust was over­seen by William Stamps Far­ish III, who had con­sid­er­able polit­i­cal and eco­nom­ic grav­i­tas in the state of Ken­tucky.
20.–Bush’s Harken Ener­gy may well have served as a mon­ey laun­der­ing front, per­haps for some of the gold recov­ered in the Philip­pines. We note that a direc­tor of Harken, Talat Oth­man, inter­ced­ed direct­ly with then Trea­sury Sec­re­tary Paul O’Neill on behalf of the tar­gets of the 3/20/2002 raids. The SAAR net­work was a pri­ma­ry tar­get of those raids: we have seen how Rita Katz and her fel­low inves­ti­ga­tors came under sur­veil­lance and harass­ment for dig­ging into that case.
21.–We revis­it the deep pol­i­tics of the Bush fam­i­ly, the fam­i­ly of Dou­glas MacArthur and William and Alan Quasha.
22.–More about the deep pol­i­tics of the Philip­pines, the Bush fam­i­ly, father and son Quasha, and the pos­si­bil­i­ty that Alan Quasha’s dom­i­nant pres­ence in Harken Ener­gy may be deriv­a­tive of the clan­des­tine acqui­si­tion of Gold­en Lily loot.
23.–The pro­gram con­cludes with review of the oper­a­tions of Gold­en Lily and their involve­ment with things Iris was inves­ti­gat­ing. The Rape of Nanking marked the for­mal begin­ning of Gold­en Lily.
24.–Colonel Tsu­ji Masanobu was heav­i­ly involved with Gold­en Lily and the Bataan Death March, the sur­vivors of which were a focal point of Iris Chang’s research at the time of her death.

FTR#1306 Where’s Nuremburg?

Exper­i­ment­ing on human beings with­out their knowl­edge and/or con­sent is for­bid­den by the Nurem­burg code. Nonethe­less, the U.S. nation­al secu­ri­ty estab­lish­ment has been doing just that as a mat­ter of course in the years since World War II.

Hav­ing import­ed many Nazi Ger­many’s and Impe­r­i­al Japan’s war crim­i­nals, the U.S. was on track to insti­tu­tion­al­ize exper­i­ment­ing on unwit­ting human sub­jects by the end of the Sec­ond World War.

This pro­gram doc­u­ments some of the exper­i­ments and the pro­grams which gave rise to such oper­a­tions:

Points of Dis­cus­sion and Analy­sis Include: CIA researched the occult in what Hank Albarel­li spec­u­lates may have been a research project inspired by the Nazi Ahnenerbe; The agency researched var­i­ous ways of caus­ing can­cer and the effects of var­i­ous lev­els of stress on those suf­fer­ing from the dis­ease; Both the CIA and the Army researched the effects of radi­a­tion on human beings in a vari­ety of clan­des­tine exper­i­ments; The CIA’s “Human Ecol­o­gy” research projects embraced a wide vari­ety of exper­i­men­tal projects designed to learn how to con­trol and mod­i­fy human behav­ior; Ver­mont-based doc­tor Robert Hyde was among the pre­mier researchers to test LSD on human sub­jects, some in projects the details of which have not been ful­ly dis­closed.

FTR#1305 How Groovy Was It Really?

Explor­ing aspects of the “counter-cul­ture” of the 1960’s against the back­ground of the CIA and mil­i­tary’s exper­i­men­ta­tion with mind-alter­ing sub­stances and var­i­ous mind-con­trol tech­niques, this pro­gram asks the ques­tion: “Was it real­ly good?”

Key Points of Analy­sis and Dis­cus­sion Include:

1.–Details con­cern­ing SPAN, the oper­a­tional code-name for the dos­ing with LSD of the entire town of Pont St.-Esprit in South­ern France.

2.–The sto­ry of William Hay­ward, the direc­tor of the ’60s cult film Easy Rid­er. Hay­ward was the vic­tim of psy­chi­atric con­fine­ment by ele­ments asso­ci­at­ed with the intel­li­gence com­mu­ni­ty.

3.–The mon­i­tor­ing of Ken Kesey’s LSD events by mem­bers of the intel­li­gence com­mu­ni­ty.

4.–Former OSS agent Gre­go­ry Bateson’s stew­ard­ship of the intro­duc­tion of Ken Kesey to LSD.

5.–Sourcing for the infor­ma­tion about the Bateson/Kesey dynam­ic and dis­cus­sion of CIA and mil­i­tary exper­i­ments with mind-alter­ing sub­stances at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Ver­mont.

6.–CIA oper­a­tive George Hunter White’s sur­rep­ti­tious dos­ing of unwit­ting sub­jects with LSD.

7.–George Hunter White’s arrest of jazz singer Bil­lie Hol­i­day for opi­um pos­ses­sion in 1949. Drug arrests destroyed Hol­i­day’s abil­i­ty to work in estab­lish­ments that served alco­hol.

8.–The sto­ry of a San Fran­cis­co event fea­tur­ing the cream of the psy­che­del­ic bands of the time. The event ben­e­fit­ted the Hare Krish­na cult.

9.–Discussion of the fas­cist phi­los­o­phy of the leader of the Hare Krish­na cult.

10.–The biog­ra­phy of John Per­ry Bar­low, for­mer cam­paign man­ag­er for Dick Cheney and lyri­cist for the Grate­ful Dead. Bar­low’s role with the EFF, an orga­ni­za­tion with many wor­thy mem­bers and rep­u­ta­tion but one which, nonethe­less, has worked for the intel­li­gence com­mu­ni­ty.

11.–Barlow’s inter­ac­tion with the CIA and NSA and an exam­i­na­tion of the pos­si­bil­i­ty of his stew­ard­ship of social media.